Flea-Bay... is this legal???

[Turin]

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Moto-Guzzi-Ambassador-Frame-Tag-and-Document/263281688010?hash=item3d4ccfbdca:g:lhcAAOSw7z1Z8eE8&vxp=mtr

[MMRanch]

If ya pay the TAXES on it ... the powers that be ... might not even care !          JUST : SHOW ME THE MONEY !!   we don't care about the details !!!   

[fotoguzzi]

Why not?

[Kiwi_Roy]

Why not?

Well it won't match the frame or engine No for 1

[Tom H]

Why maybe not legal?

If you stole a bike and put a legal ID tag on it, then you would have a legal bike.

ID tags can be had with no ID to replace a damaged original as long as you stamp the original info on it.

JMHO,
Tom

[Triple Jim]

As long as the hull length matches, it should be legal.

[oldbike54]

As long as the hull length matches, it should be legal.

 What if it is one of those new fangled things that fly ?

 Dusty

[Pop]

Leagal ....maybe. Ethical not so much...BUT if you bought a bike with no title, lost or otherwise, it's a way to register and tag that vehicle. Besides, there aren't enough of them available to start a criminal enterprise. If the DMV wasn't so hard assed, it wouldn't be an issue.
Pop

[Luap McKeever]

Not really different than selling a frame with the title...In Missouri anyway.

I bought a ratted out T3 some years ago and parted it out.  Last thing to go was the frame with the title.  Dude drove to my house in Missouri from Michigan in his van just to pickup the frame and title. When he got here, he said all he really needed was the tag and title for a project he was working on.

I say, go for it.  Keep the Guzzi's on the road.

[rocker59]

If you stole a bike and put a legal ID tag on it, then you would have a legal bike.
 

No.  You wouldn't.

[rocker59]

Google is your friend, folks. 

Removing a VIN tag from a vehicle is illegal in most States, with a few exceptions.  Swapping a VIN tag from one frame to another is illegal, unless the motorcycle is receiving a new frame as a replacement for damage.

You olde fahrts should know this.

But yeah, people do it all the time...

[Perazzimx14]

Heck you don't even need the VIN plate. There are several places you can get what look exactly like a factory VIN plate that is unstamped.

[Rough Edge racing]

Google is your friend, folks. 

Removing a VIN tag from a vehicle is illegal in most States, with a few exceptions.  Swapping a VIN tag from one frame to another is illegal, unless the motorcycle is receiving a new frame as a replacement for damage.

You olde fahrts should know this.

But yeah, people do it all the time...

   Yes, illegal......In NY , vehicles 1972 and older don't have titles. You sign a simple form swearing you are the rightful owner and so long as you have a photo and or pencil tracing of the serial number ,you can get it registered.   They do not look at vehicles so they have no idea if the vehicle actually exists.. The few other states with no titles are likely similar

[Groover]

... Swapping a VIN tag from one frame to another is illegal, unless the motorcycle is receiving a new frame as a replacement for damage.

I looked into this here in Ohio since I was considering a new frame purchase to replace a bent frame (with title), and according to the Ohio State Highway Patrol's office whom would be the ones inspecting all this in the end, a different title would be issued, like what is uses for custom built choppers and such, and/or a salvage title. So basically, in Ohio, a frame cannot be replaced with a new one and still use the existing or previous frame's numbers or title - all this was according the person on the other side of the horn when I called them, and if I called another day I probably would get another answer, something like you can't ever get a title never ever again, or impossible 

It may vary depending on the state, but here it is for Ohio:
http://www.bmv.ohio.gov/titles-salvage.aspx

[Antietam Classic Cycle]

Well it won't match the frame or engine No for 1

There is no "frame number" on Loops other than what is stamped on the tag.

[Triple Jim]

   Yes, illegal......In NY , vehicles 1972 and older don't have titles. You sign a simple form swearing you are the rightful owner and so long as you have a photo and or pencil tracing of the serial number ,you can get it registered.   They do not look at vehicles so they have no idea if the vehicle actually exists.. The few other states with no titles are likely similar

We have titles for all road vehicles here, but they didn't actually check to see if the vehicle existed, until about ten years ago.  I was told at the police station that a high-up in the police department in Raleigh was pulling some crap to make money on the side, and they caught him.  Now to get a title on an old vehicle that doesn't have one, a cop comes to your house and inspects it.  In my experience, he's primarily interested in the VIN and what his computer says about it, although he's supposed to make sure it's road worthy as well.

[Denis]

We have titles for all road vehicles here, but they didn't actually check to see if the vehicle existed, until about ten years ago.  I was told at the police station that a high-up in the police department in Raleigh was pulling some crap to make money on the side, and they caught him.  Now to get a title on an old vehicle that doesn't have one, a cop comes to your house and inspects it.  In my experience, he's primarily interested in the VIN and what his computer says about it, although he's supposed to make sure it's road worthy as well.

What made titles for older vehicles such a pain in the ass here was the head of DMV hooking his buddies up with historic or antique tags and paperwork even though the hot rods being registered were not antiques at all but brand spanking new and custom built.

Not a cop, but an actual DMV inspector has to inspect the bike. The bike has to be complete and together as it came from the factory (turn signals, speedometer, headlight, tail light, etc) but it doesn't have to run. They will not inspect basket cases or partial motorcycles, although they will do a VIN check for you upon request.

I had to go through this with my Indian.

[Triple Jim]

Not a cop, but an actual DMV inspector has to inspect the bike. The bike has to be complete and together as it came from the factory (turn signals, speedometer, headlight, tail light, etc) but it doesn't have to run. They will not inspect basket cases or partial motorcycles, although they will do a VIN check for you upon request.

I had to go through this with my Indian.

Well, here the DMV inspectors are police officers, with badges, uniforms, guns, cruisers, etc..  (maybe that's what you meant... not JUST a cop, but a trained inspector).  The first time I had an inspection done I had to start the engine to demonstrate it ran, but that was almost ten years ago.  The last time was about four years ago and the inspector (cop) that came to my house did not ask me to start it.

Interestingly, neither time was I trying to get an "antique" plate, although I could have.  When I asked, I was told that all that does is put "antique" on the plate, but all fees are the same.  I figured I'd rather not advertise that the bikes might be something special to those who don't already know.

[rocker59]

It may vary depending on the state,

Yes.  It will.

[redrider90]

No.  You wouldn't.

 

[Rusnak_322]

I just took a bare frame that had a out of state title to the DMV in Ohio and all they did was look at the number on the frame and the title and I was good to go.

Was just a clerk, some young girl, not a scary guy with a gun.

Also didn't need any inspection to get collectors plates. Just the title.

[Huzo]

In Australia you can BS your way around a lot of things, but it's when you have a crash and kill someone other than yourself and they go through you like a dose of salts, then your shenanigans will come back to bite you on the arse !

[Triple Jim]

To answer the original question, it's probably like buying Opium Poppy seeds.  It's perfectly legal to buy them, but if you plant them and grow plants, you're breaking the law.

[Huzo]

To answer the original question, it's probably like buying Opium Poppy seeds.  It's perfectly legal to buy them, but if you plant them and grow plants, you're breaking the law.

Unless you ARE the Law...

[redrider90]

To answer the original question, it's probably like buying Opium Poppy seeds.  It's perfectly legal to buy them, but if you plant them and grow plants, you're breaking the law.

Really You got the address Jim where to get those seeds? 😇

[Triple Jim]

Really You got the address Jim where to get those seeds? 😇

They're very easy to find on the net.  Easier and more legal than Cannabis seeds.  I came across this place when I bought Hop rhizomes from them.

http://www.thymegarden.com/poppy