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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: bobrebos1 on January 24, 2023, 06:20:17 AM
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I’ve struggled with this decision but am leaning toward the hepco becker side and top box mounting hardware with the 30 liter hard bags and 40 liter top box over the La Poderosa soft canvas bags with waterproof liners. Gaining access to bag contents is primarily the main reason. Prices are comparable. Decisions decisions…lol
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Easy for me - HBs.
But IF I was struggling with those two extremes I might be tempted by C-Bows as middle-ground.
Personally I do think soft bags look like crap when they're empty and somewhat collapsed
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I’ve struggled with this decision but am leaning toward the hepco becker side and top box mounting hardware with the 30 liter hard bags and 40 liter top box over the La Poderosa soft canvas bags with waterproof liners. Gaining access to bag contents is primarily the main reason. Prices are comparable. Decisions decisions…lol
I think it really comes down to how are you planning to utilize the bike. Are you going to ride two up? If so, the hard top box makes a lot of sense for passenger comfort and convenience. Are you going to travel with the bike? Are you going to camp off the bike?
If you are going to do all of the above then the hard bags make much more practical sense.
That said, admiring the motorcycle sitting there in front of the café is very important to me. If I were going to use it for all the above purposes, I would get the hard bags and only put them on the bike when needing them.
When they weren't on the bike I would mount some Amazon canvas bags to the H&B racks for jaunts around town and to the café.
I did that on my Himalayan. Bags cost $20. You can spend more and get bags with straps built in to mount to the frames. I used dowels and zip ties.
(https://i.ibb.co/f4M9gb9/IMG-2945.jpg) (https://ibb.co/f4M9gb9)
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I think it really comes down to how are you planning to utilize the bike. Are you going to ride two up? If so, the hard top box makes a lot of sense for passenger comfort and convenience. Are you going to travel with the bike? Are you going to camp off the bike?
(https://i.ibb.co/f4M9gb9/IMG-2945.jpg) (https://ibb.co/f4M9gb9)
I will be camping off of the bike, so yes HB’s make more sense to me too. Thanks
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Hi, I don't know your requirements for storage and whether you have a passenger but I did an 8 day BRP and back roads trip down to Asheville NC last year and was able to carry all I needed with a couple of 13L GIVI Corium bags and a medium sized duffle I got off of Amazon. I even had room for 2 bottles of wine for NC Dan and his lovely wife.....wonderful visit. I used a stretchy net over the top of the duffle for stuffing in my electric jacket and any other stuff as I delayered/layered with the changing altitudes. Hot in the valleys and 54 on the mountain tops! I wore and air jacket so the heated layer was needed a few times. Anyway, the Givi bags don't hold much but raingear packages fit perfectly and I had what I needed. They are not as simple to remove and install as hard bags but I didn't want any permanent hardware/brackets mounted to my lovely Sophia. Good luck on your choice. I should add that I don't ride down from NJ as that would require riding route 81 down from PA and I HATE 81 even in a car. So I trailer down to a friends place in Charlottesville.... ..the BRP is 13 miles from his house.....and ride from there...usually about 1,000 miles round trip but probably closer to 1200 this time.
Scott
(https://i.ibb.co/H41dRR4/2022-BRP-Sophia-May-22.jpg) (https://ibb.co/H41dRR4)
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I vote for the hard bags. I like the way they look. I haven’t used soft bags since the 80s though and I’m sure they’ve come a long way.
Great idea about trailering to Charlottesville and hitting the Parkway from there. I have cousins in Crozet and never thought of that.
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Hi, I don't know your requirements for storage and whether you have a passenger but I did an 8 day BRP and back roads trip down to Asheville NC last year and was able to carry all I needed with a couple of 13L GIVI Corium bags and a medium sized duffle I got off of Amazon. I even had room for 2 bottles of wine for NC Dan and his lovely wife.....wonderful visit. I used a stretchy net over the top of the duffle for stuffing in my electric jacket and any other stuff as I delayered/layered with the changing altitudes. Hot in the valleys and 54 on the mountain tops! I wore and air jacket so the heated layer was needed a few times. Anyway, the Givi bags don't hold much but raingear packages fit perfectly and I had what I needed. They are not as simple to remove and install as hard bags but I didn't want any permanent hardware/brackets mounted to my lovely Sophia. Good luck on your choice. I should add that I don't ride down from NJ as that would require riding route 81 down from PA and I HATE 81 even in a car. So I trailer down to a friends place in Charlottesville.... ..the BRP is 13 miles from his house.....and ride from there...usually about 1,000 miles round trip but probably closer to 1200 this time.
Scott
(https://i.ibb.co/H41dRR4/2022-BRP-Sophia-May-22.jpg) (https://ibb.co/H41dRR4)
Thanks for the info and nice picture!
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Soft panniers I had were waterproof PVC coated Wolfman's and I hated them. Major PITA to get anything in/out and they always smelled funky inside unless when you parked the bike you unrolled them stuffed in some newspaper to hold them open and a couple dryer sheets and let them air out. I'd never consider cloth non-waterproof panniers. Soft panniers are enough to deal with having to use water proof bags in your non-waterproof bags is just a lot of extra work and inconvenience.
I've also had plastic and aluminium panniers and found them to be a lot more user friendly. Even between hard panniers I also found I prefer the convenience of top loaders over sideload and aluminium over plastic. Side loaders every time I'd open the left pannier when on the side stand stuff want to spill out. I could have used straps to hold things in but that just another headache. Top loaders just work really well. Drop stuff in or pick it out no spillage. I also like when I go to the grocery store and have something that is fragile that I don't want rolling around the pannier I place it in th empannier then hold the bag out over the top of the pannier and close the lid to pinch the plastic bag suspending it in the pannier. Hard top load panniers are also lend themselves nicely to the addition false bottoms too keep things like tools separate from what's above.
(https://i.ibb.co/ctGGqs4/Tusk-5.jpg) (https://ibb.co/ctGGqs4)
(https://i.ibb.co/CpL4YnQ/Tusk-6.jpg) (https://ibb.co/CpL4YnQ)
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Soft panniers I had were waterproof PVC coated Wolfman's and I hated them. Major PITA to get anything in/out and they always smelled funky inside unless when you parked the bike you unrolled them stuffed in some newspaper to hold them open and a couple dryer sheets and let them air out.I'd never consider cloth non-waterproof panniers. Soft panniers are enough to deal with having to use water proof bags in your non-waterproof bags is just a lot of extra work and inconvenience.
I've also had plastic and aluminium panniers and found them to be a lot more user friendly. Even between hard panniers I also found I prefer the convenience of top loaders over sideload and aluminium over plastic. Side loaders every time I'd open the left pannier when on the side stand stuff want to spill out. I could have used straps to hold things in but that just another headache. Top loaders just work really well. Drop stuff in or pick it out no spillage. I also like when I go to the grocery store and have something that is fragile that I don't want rolling around the pannier I place it in th empannier then hold the bag out over the top of the pannier and close the lid to pinch the plastic bag suspending it in the pannier. Hard top load panniers are also lend themselves nicely to the addition false bottoms too keep things like tools separate from what's above.
(https://i.ibb.co/ctGGqs4/Tusk-5.jpg) (https://ibb.co/ctGGqs4)
(https://i.ibb.co/CpL4YnQ/Tusk-6.jpg) (https://ibb.co/CpL4YnQ)
Good to know. Thank you!
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It was mentioned to me by another rider that the Hepco Becker 30 liter bags look out of place, way too big on a 21 V7 850 stone. Hmmm I still have some thinking to do. If any of you v7/850 riders have pics with hepco becker 30 liter side bags on let me see them. Thank You
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It was mentioned to me by another rider that the Hepco Becker 30 liter bags look out of place, way too big on a 21 V7 850 stone. Hmmm I still have some thinking to do.
Who cares what he/she thinks - what do YOU think?
Here they are on my 2013 Stone...which if anything is a hair smaller.
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/pw/AMWts8CeAC_0pqxwJ9RenZWlYva_BWwmTd3x_SzL7_059fesuq1ipnY09t9xgIiJ96gPDSCCv4Ni7HHtgf7eaEit6HbRlvY9ya1GKC8ipkWsVnTVZdl6W_owdjDGEi8XugKuWHEIUi1mCHBswnoQkcMlHM3_VA=w678-h903-no?authuser=0)
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Who cares what he/she thinks - what do YOU think?
Here they are on my 2013 Stone...which if anything is a hair smaller.
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/pw/AMWts8CeAC_0pqxwJ9RenZWlYva_BWwmTd3x_SzL7_059fesuq1ipnY09t9xgIiJ96gPDSCCv4Ni7HHtgf7eaEit6HbRlvY9ya1GKC8ipkWsVnTVZdl6W_owdjDGEi8XugKuWHEIUi1mCHBswnoQkcMlHM3_VA=w678-h903-no?authuser=0)
Thank you!
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Hi Bob . :smiley:
HB 30L and 30L top-case , 90L's of DRY , LOCKABLE storage :
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Hi Bob . :smiley:
HB 30L and 30L top-case , 90L's of DRY , LOCKABLE storage :
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(https://i.ibb.co/TBmGq4B/IMG-20230104-114711278-HDR.jpg) (https://ibb.co/TBmGq4B)
:thumb:
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For the times you don't want to run the hard luggage.
https://www.motostorm.it/en/accessories/luggage/kappa-rambler-rb100-side-cases-green.html?currency=USD&utm_source=criteo&utm_medium=retarget&utm_campaign=Prodotto
(https://i.ibb.co/kxNQ4b6/tempsnip.jpg) (https://ibb.co/kxNQ4b6)
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For the times you don't want to run the hard luggage.
Thank you
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I like HB, you have many options and they are interchangeable.
I run the V7 Stornello like this for daily.
(https://i.ibb.co/tPfNKfz/IMG-20210903-132121355-HDR.jpg) (https://ibb.co/tPfNKfz)
(https://i.ibb.co/vwgKhhL/IMG-20210903-134108621-HDR.jpg) (https://ibb.co/vwgKhhL)
And like this for trips/camping/etc.
(https://i.ibb.co/fkHVMKQ/IMG-20220611-141101844-HDR.jpg) (https://ibb.co/fkHVMKQ)
(https://i.ibb.co/wgML7xx/IMG-20220611-141034536-HDR.jpg) (https://ibb.co/wgML7xx)
NOT a big fan of the soft bags, especially the Canvas, but as is obvious above, I have NO taste ;-)
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but as is obvious above, I have NO taste ;-)
You can take the boy outta NY, but you can't take the NY outta the boy... :grin:
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For the times you don't want to run the hard luggage.
https://www.motostorm.it/en/accessories/luggage/kappa-rambler-rb100-side-cases-green.html?currency=USD&utm_source=criteo&utm_medium=retarget&utm_campaign=Prodotto
(https://i.ibb.co/kxNQ4b6/tempsnip.jpg) (https://ibb.co/kxNQ4b6)
Twowheel, I think these would be great on the Himalayan but I am pretty sure these would cook on the V7 swept up pipes. That is why I stuck with the 13L Givi bags over the larger size.
Scott
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You can take the boy outta NY, but you can't take the NY outta the boy... :grin:
Fuhgetabowdit...... ........
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(https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-T9VMDGg/0/X2/i-T9VMDGg-X2.jpg)
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Twowheel, I think these would be great on the Himalayan but I am pretty sure these would cook on the V7 swept up pipes. That is why I stuck with the 13L Givi bags over the larger size.
Scott
Yep. I show fender (under seat) to pipes as about 14”. These bags are about 13 3/4” high. Those are rough measurements but too close to pipes I think. Over seat mounting might work. The la poderosa’s I was looking at have a rack that lifts the bag slightly, improving exhaust clearance. But they are $1200 with everything at todays exchange rate. But also I may be able to mount the cheaper soft bags onto the HB mounts at a slightly higher point lifting them further away from the exhaust.
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This is the look I like. La Poderosa bags! Looks good! BUT for functionality Il go with hepco becker hard 30 liter samsonite suitcase looking bags (lol) and get a cheap set of canvas bags to tie up to the hepco becker racks for around town jaunts.
(https://i.ibb.co/SVzqsRS/B3629-EF6-A68-E-49-C4-80-AE-2-BA33-F086684.jpg) (https://ibb.co/SVzqsRS)
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This is the look I like. La Poderosa bags! Looks good! BUT for functionality Il go with hepco becker hard 30 liter samsonite suitcase looking bags (lol) and get a cheap set of canvas bags to tie up to the hepco becker racks for around town jaunts.
(https://i.ibb.co/SVzqsRS/B3629-EF6-A68-E-49-C4-80-AE-2-BA33-F086684.jpg) (https://ibb.co/SVzqsRS)
I understand liking the look. If you want bags like that attach (with lock and key) to minimal racks, at least check out the HB-C-Bows.
https://www.motomachines.com/hepco-becker-c-bow-carrier-moto-guzzi-v7-2021
They have a whole range of bags that attach to it textile/hard/hybrid.
https://www.motomachines.com/hepco-becker?product=1182
Or you can buy the adaptors and attach any bag.
https://www.motomachines.com/hepco-becker-c-bow-plastic-mold-mount
IF I do wind up selling the RK I plan on setting the Carbon Dark up this way. Currently it only has the HB topcase rack.
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/pw/AMWts8DS8vdxLiEPFVmyuKMe4Dsn5wmqFdvV3YFV-1jFfi25oyOW0XOPph3hinQDVmFN_ROHZWb4Afab02PfsT1oktQQB3a3akEOLtvZVabbJ4Oq__1y52mCmFX1gzjQNG4sBJ2IL4YSylU65bq8bz2SeSNINg=w678-h903-no?authuser=0)
Personally I kinda like the HB C-Bow Straykers and think they might look good on this, but I'll consider others too.
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What's up with all the upswept pipes these days. Low pipes allow more room for bags.
kk
(https://i.ibb.co/1X8D2wZ/IMG-20220201-170538232.jpg) (https://ibb.co/1X8D2wZ)
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It was mentioned to me by another rider that the Hepco Becker 30 liter bags look out of place, way too big on a 21 V7 850 stone. Hmmm I still have some thinking to do. If any of you v7/850 riders have pics with hepco becker 30 liter side bags on let me see them. Thank You
I've used both soft and hard bags, and both have their place. Soft bags can be made to function after a crash, assuming the bike can still travel. I had a fall where my hard bags likely would've been toast, and the soft bags needed some duct tape, and even the bottle of Pinot survived.
Having said that the HB 30's have really grown on me (I own a set on my Jackal), and recently Enzo listed a bike (still for sale) and I was taken by how perfect, IMO, the 30's looked on that bike.
for your consideration...
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What's up with all the upswept pipes these days. Low pipes allow more room for bags.
kk
(https://i.ibb.co/1X8D2wZ/IMG-20220201-170538232.jpg) (https://ibb.co/1X8D2wZ)
Nice bike!
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Hepco & Becker have some nice looking soft bags, but if you're looking for brown or green canvas specifically I don't think I've seen any from them larger than 11L. Volume might be a compromise depending on what you need, or the 11L or 8L ones might be the perfect size for your use. Hepco & Becker do sell rain covers for their legacy courier bags, but a friend of mine is on her second set of the covers because her first ones shredded from riding with them on. Guess they're not meant for use while riding, but for parking in rain.
When I was shopping for luggage I couldn't get a firm volume measurement on the OEM Guzzi canvas bags which were the first ones to catch my eye, but a rep told me they *think* they're 21L with the side pocket volume included.
https://www.motoguzzi.com/en_EN/accessories/vehicle-accessories/loading/canvas-side-bags-pair-2s001420/
I priced those OEM Guzzi bags with side bag brackets and hardware out to be $1780.35 before tax and shipping.
Soft canvas bags can look deflated and floppy when empty, but the La Poderosa ones have a large enough range of buckle and roll top that you can at least make them shorter and smaller when they're not in use.
Haven't had any heat issues with the stock exhaust on my V7 and soft bags. With a loose adjustment on the straps and enough weight in them they could droop and touch the exhaust, but easy to avoid that by just buckling them snug which pulls the bottom up. I don't unbuckle mine every time I need to pull a loose item out, I just slide the straps off to the side and undo the roll top, grab the item (usually an extra layer or snack, everything else is in a dry bag), then roll the top again and hold it firmly as I slide the straps back over from the sides.
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I have some Moskow Mule (or something like that) that will strap to my HB *RACKS when I am on dedicated off road settings where I KNOW I will be picking up my bike alot. My off road riding skills really stink.
I will say that one nice thing about the HB 30's is they pop right off in certain situations. This happened about 3X this day before I decided that South Carolina fire roads were NOT good places to gain confidence off road. No damage, nothing bent or scratched (other than my pride) just sand pits every and out of nowhere. Bag went back on with no issues.
(https://i.ibb.co/x6GBXGQ/IMG-20210903-142123605-HDR.jpg) (https://ibb.co/x6GBXGQ)
(https://i.ibb.co/3dhpqtS/IMG-20210903-142112364-HDR.jpg) (https://ibb.co/3dhpqtS)
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HB bags look great on Guzzi’s, they’re well built and rugged enough to last through the ownership of multiple bikes. Their mounts are good. There are very good reasons why you see so many HB bags on bikes. I think Givi racks and mounts are sometimes more robust. This is definitely the case with the V7 850 luggage racks. You can’t go wrong with either brand but that’s mainly down to whether you care about side loading or top loading bags.
If you’re going to be in and out of your cases multiple times a day, top loaders are the way to go. Nothing falls out when they’re opened, the contents remain packed the same whether the case is opened or closed and rummaging around in the case doesn’t dislodge anything. It’s also nice when your cases have attachment loops and are even with the pillion. Being able to strap things to the top of the cases comes in handy sometimes.
(https://i.ibb.co/F4TNZGh/6-B4-E3663-9300-4771-84-C5-78-AC63-A6-B490.jpg) (https://ibb.co/F4TNZGh)
(https://i.ibb.co/S61GrZg/2-F1-FCAB6-1-D14-44-CE-839-C-8401-AA83-A52-B.jpg) (https://ibb.co/S61GrZg)
(https://i.ibb.co/q7xhkQp/1-DC1-A032-BEEF-4-C7-A-A7-EE-388320-C92-E10.jpg) (https://ibb.co/q7xhkQp)
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Thanks for all the opinions. I’ve decided. I’m going with the hepco-becker Junior 30 liter side bags and a 40 liter top box. Thanks again. Il be ordering in spring.
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The way prices an delivery have been, don't wait!
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Another vote for the H-B 30l bags here . Another consideration is safety. With the bike ,unfortunately laying on it’s side there’s just enough room between the bags , the cyl. Head & the ground for a human leg ! Unfortunately I tested this on one occasion! As far as looks go I get lots of compliments on the V7 with the 30l bags. Besides ya cant see them from the saddle . Lockable,easy on & off & pretty much waterproof . We’re I to complain about anything it would be aerodynamics. I get about + 7-10 more MPH on top speed without the bags . The mirrors are also good for about 5 mph too . At least according to my empty road , early morning dyno runs ! Using my radar doctor as a speed reference :thumb: :thumb:
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Thanks for all the opinions. I’ve decided. I’m going with the hepco-becker Junior 30 liter side bags and a 40 liter top box. Thanks again. Il be ordering in spring.
For what it matters i think you made an EX-choice! I have been pleased with all the H & B bags I have and have had.
As for looks....I don't give a damn about looks but functionality!
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Thanks for all the opinions. I’ve decided. I’m going with the hepco-becker Junior 30 liter side bags and a 40 liter top box. Thanks again. Il be ordering in spring.
That's my Jackal combo. works pretty well. enjoy!
(https://i.imgur.com/qyMpmDg.png)
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I’m not crazy with high mounted bags, like what’s on sport tourers. However I do have the GIVI luggage on my Stone.
They are sturdy and functional. Parts are easily obtained from the factory.
The ones pictured came with the bike however if I would have had to get luggage myself I would have definitely used a different style. I like the way the HD heavy tourers bags look, low and close to the bike, neat and tucked in close.
Of course we know what’s said about opinions:)
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(https://i.ibb.co/x2vw5P7/4-FC6-D170-106-F-4-EED-9178-0-AD462649-DD7.jpg) (https://ibb.co/x2vw5P7)
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I like HB so much that's what I used on my RK.
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/pw/AMWts8BgwC5hIPfWRQGTZt_iRmTvQaBol27NNGoFixDOG0R1VlWoGrQO8oIlR57BRB28DMpD8M-x7QZr7MwGKDRhM3etPZ5MgIKEKPHq9ACyaRMWfZEX6yMtQ7a74u3Me6jMn4yV2-o4fY_ks9g_cOk_rUdfjg=w1204-h903-no?authuser=0)
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That's my Jackal combo. works pretty well. enjoy!
(https://i.imgur.com/qyMpmDg.png)
I have the same setup on my 1200 Sport. The best part of HB is I can easily swap the bags across 3 bikes.
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(https://i.ibb.co/RhnLM6Q/IMG-20210621-102644210.jpg) (https://ibb.co/RhnLM6Q)
(https://i.ibb.co/ZJz5YPp/IMG-20210625-124736632.jpg) (https://ibb.co/ZJz5YPp)
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I mount my hard bags even with the seat so that they help support my large duffel with all the camping gear. With CBow mounts and the bracket that can be bolted on the bags I can put the height anywhere I want. One of my projects this winter is to figure ways to reduce the weight of all my camping gear. It has gotten kind of excessive but I need all the comforts of home. :grin:
kk
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I had some HB c-bow bags so I put some brackets on my Stone. Works for me for now.
(https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-3PcHXV7/0/fb5e3d4a/L/i-3PcHXV7-L.jpg)
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C-bows for me HB second..More versatile by a mile, and look so much better too..
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C-bows for me HB second..
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I THINK I know what you mean but for the record both the Juniors and the C-Bows are from "Hepco &; Becker" so both are "HB".
Sorry, I'm pedantic in nature thanks to a career in data, or maybe just retentiveness. :embarrassed:
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Kev, I think a better description of yourself would be "Didactic". We need more like guys like you to keep things straight and accurate. Horst.
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Kev, I think a better description of yourself would be "Didactic". We need more like guys like you to keep things straight and accurate. Horst.
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You are overly kind, but thanks... :thumb:
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I tried to be honest, not kind. Honesty is less appreciated than kindness.
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I tried to be honest, not kind. Honesty is less appreciated than kindness.
TRUTH! :thumb: :bow:
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Hi, I don't know your requirements for storage and whether you have a passenger but I did an 8 day BRP and back roads trip down to Asheville NC last year and was able to carry all I needed with a couple of 13L GIVI Corium bags and a medium sized duffle I got off of Amazon. I even had room for 2 bottles of wine for NC Dan and his lovely wife.....wonderful visit. I used a stretchy net over the top of the duffle for stuffing in my electric jacket and any other stuff as I delayered/layered with the changing altitudes. Hot in the valleys and 54 on the mountain tops! I wore and air jacket so the heated layer was needed a few times. Anyway, the Givi bags don't hold much but raingear packages fit perfectly and I had what I needed. They are not as simple to remove and install as hard bags but I didn't want any permanent hardware/brackets mounted to my lovely Sophia. Good luck on your choice. I should add that I don't ride down from NJ as that would require riding route 81 down from PA and I HATE 81 even in a car. So I trailer down to a friends place in Charlottesville.... ..the BRP is 13 miles from his house.....and ride from there...usually about 1,000 miles round trip but probably closer to 1200 this time.
Scott
(https://i.ibb.co/H41dRR4/2022-BRP-Sophia-May-22.jpg) (https://ibb.co/H41dRR4)
Thanks for the pic and info. I to am struggling with adding unsightly mounting hardware for the HB 30 liter bags. I might change my mind and go soft bags so i dont have to attach the unsightly hardware. I just dont know yet. I said i decided on HB 30 liter but im changing my mind again!!! lol
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(https://i.ibb.co/kDyg5gB/IMG-6686.jpg) (https://ibb.co/c8vckc3)
Love the H&B 40 liter Jrs on the EV, but I chose this setup on my V7 in Italy
(https://i.ibb.co/df98DtN/Screen-Shot-2023-02-03-at-5-00-33-AM.png) (https://ibb.co/JcLDHqY)
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Thanks for the pic and info. I to am struggling with adding unsightly mounting hardware for the HB 30 liter bags. I might change my mind and go soft bags so i dont have to attach the unsightly hardware. I just dont know yet. I said i decided on HB 30 liter but im changing my mind again!!! lol
Trying to balance utility and esthetics can be difficult. If you are truly going to travel with the bike the HB bags or Givi hard bags make a lot of sense. If you don't like the look of the racks when the bags are removed, the option of getting soft bags mounted to the same racks for local use makes sense.
Personally, after seeing your bike with that cool tank bag, I would go for the matching saddlebags and put a rear rack for strapping down a dry bag duffle for carrying camping gear.
I think Mike's bike looks good because he balanced out the bags with the Corbin seat and windshield and turned it into a touring bike.
I think your bike would look good with the brown bags. I put snowseal on my leather bags to protect them if I get caught in a rain. I'm sure you could do some kind of treatment to protect those canvas bags from getting weighted down from rain.
Go with your heart, not your head. Motorcycling is an escape from the grind of life.
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I to am struggling with adding unsightly mounting hardware for the HB 30 liter bags.
I might change my mind and go soft bags so i dont have to attach the unsightly hardware.
Then the HB C-Bows might be a good compromise. Much less hardware left on the bike.
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I have a 2022 V7 Stone and am looking at luggage, wrestling with this as in this thread. Don't laugh but if anyone has a photo of Giant Loop Great Basin or Coyote soft bags sitting on a bike like this that would be vg. I'm looking at doing 8000k's in 2023 to east coast and back, tent and accommodations. Great thread I'm taking in all the suggestions and have no advice to offer. I have an oem rack to add over the tail ight. :thumb:
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I have a 2022 V7 Stone and am looking at luggage, wrestling with this as in this thread. Don't laugh but if anyone has a photo of Giant Loop Great Basin or Coyote soft bags sitting on a bike like this that would be vg. I'm looking at doing 8000k's in 2023 to east coast and back, tent and accommodations. Great thread I'm taking in all the suggestions and have no advise to offer. I have an oem rack to add over the tail ight. :thumb:
Wow those Giant loop great basin and coyote bags are really nice for long range, bad weather traveling. I would think they would be fine on a 2022 MG Stone, but of course i dont know for sure. Look like nice traveling bags though!
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When I bought the V& Stone 850 Centenario the owner threw in a tank bag he had for it. Nice leather one made by tripmachine company . com (I didnt put the link here because i know there is no advertising of products allowed) but you can look them up if you want to.
Anyways their leather bags are top notch leather and im thinking of a set of leather panniers and rear top duffel bag to match my tank bag. Might be the way to go. I know they are leather, so not waterproof but they sure look good. lol. We shall see what I decide!
The Hepco Becker waterproof and lockable facts are a winner though i think. Looks arent everything! lol. Decision will be made within two weeks.
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I have a 2022 V7 Stone and am looking at luggage, wrestling with this as in this thread. Don't laugh but if anyone has a photo of Giant Loop Great Basin or Coyote soft bags sitting on a bike like this that would be vg. I'm looking at doing 8000k's in 2023 to east coast and back, tent and accommodations. Great thread I'm taking in all the suggestions and have no advice to offer. I have an oem rack to add over the tail ight. :thumb:
My 2 cents. Security will always be a concern with soft luggage. Absolutely there are ways to mitigate risk, but when you think about stopping at a trailhead to see a waterfall, or stopping at a grocery store on the way to a campground, or spending the occasional night at a hotel, or the campsite is "walk-in" only meaning your bike is a 1/4 mile away. Extra hassle for sure.
A buddy and I were in Yellowstone and were warned that tank bags were being rifled through while the rider was viewing the sights.
Even with hard bags full I would carry a cable lock to run through my jacket sleeves and helmet chin bar if I was walking to an out of view overlook. I carried the tank bag.
There wouldn't be products like Pack Safe if there wasn't a need. https://www.amazon.com/Pacsafe-Backpack-Protector-Silver-Size/dp/B000FGVFP8?th=1
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A question I have?????
If i purchased the appropriate tube type hepco becker rear and side racks, and purchased the side panniers identified as Hepco & Becker Alu-Case X-plorer 30 liter side bags that are top opening, would they be able to open if i also installed a alu-case top case (45 liter). Ive heard rumors that some top loading side paniers wont open if there is a top case attached to top case mounting tube structure.
Anybody have this setup on a 2021 V7 Stone Centenario 850?
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Since my V7-850 is relegated to an easy life I went with "looks". I mean you're bike needs to look the part while parked up in front of the local latte dispensary, right? :grin:
(https://i.postimg.cc/YSW823LY/IMG-0406-2.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/Ffh0D0ZH)
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Since my V7-850 is relegated to an easy life I went with "looks". I mean you're bike needs to look the part while parked up in front of the local latte dispensary, right? :grin:
(https://i.postimg.cc/YSW823LY/IMG-0406-2.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/Ffh0D0ZH)
AWESOME!
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Soft panniers I had were waterproof PVC coated Wolfman's and I hated them. Major PITA to get anything in/out and they always smelled funky inside unless when you parked the bike you unrolled them stuffed in some newspaper to hold them open and a couple dryer sheets and let them air out. I'd never consider cloth non-waterproof panniers. Soft panniers are enough to deal with having to use water proof bags in your non-waterproof bags is just a lot of extra work and inconvenience.
I've also had plastic and aluminium panniers and found them to be a lot more user friendly. Even between hard panniers I also found I prefer the convenience of top loaders over sideload and aluminium over plastic. Side loaders every time I'd open the left pannier when on the side stand stuff want to spill out. I could have used straps to hold things in but that just another headache. Top loaders just work really well. Drop stuff in or pick it out no spillage. I also like when I go to the grocery store and have something that is fragile that I don't want rolling around the pannier I place it in th empannier then hold the bag out over the top of the pannier and close the lid to pinch the plastic bag suspending it in the pannier. Hard top load panniers are also lend themselves nicely to the addition false bottoms too keep things like tools separate from what's above.
(https://i.ibb.co/ctGGqs4/Tusk-5.jpg) (https://ibb.co/ctGGqs4)
(https://i.ibb.co/CpL4YnQ/Tusk-6.jpg) (https://ibb.co/CpL4YnQ)
That false bottom is a great idea! My problem with top loading hepco and becker bags is finding some that will actually open when a top box (Hepco Becker) is also installed. At least for my 2021 V7 Stone 850.
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I like HB, you have many options and they are interchangeable.
I run the V7 Stornello like this for daily.
(https://i.ibb.co/tPfNKfz/IMG-20210903-132121355-HDR.jpg) (https://ibb.co/tPfNKfz)
(https://i.ibb.co/vwgKhhL/IMG-20210903-134108621-HDR.jpg) (https://ibb.co/vwgKhhL)
And like this for trips/camping/etc.
(https://i.ibb.co/fkHVMKQ/IMG-20220611-141101844-HDR.jpg) (https://ibb.co/fkHVMKQ)
(https://i.ibb.co/wgML7xx/IMG-20220611-141034536-HDR.jpg) (https://ibb.co/wgML7xx)
NOT a big fan of the soft bags, especially the Canvas, but as is obvious above, I have NO taste ;-)
If those are top loading hard bags in your last picture, will they open ok with the hardbox/topbox also installed?
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Got my new bags!
(https://i.ibb.co/nmCPynP/guzzi-new-saddlebags.jpg) (https://ibb.co/nmCPynP)
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Bob - I want it all. :azn:
(https://i.postimg.cc/85Kkjc6Y/thumbnail-IMG-8818-2.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)
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This add popped up on my home page and note the bike.......bags look pretty good. I bought a helmet and jacket from this site and all is good with them.
Scott
https://www.motostorm.it/en/accessories/bag-supports/kappa-tmt8206k-side-pannier-holder.html?currency=USD&size=UNICA&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIjbeP2NeT_QIV0pdbCh3gNAPjEAEYASAGEgKxhfD_BwE
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Got my new bags!
(https://i.ibb.co/nmCPynP/guzzi-new-saddlebags.jpg) (https://ibb.co/nmCPynP)
Yes!
There are many riders of ADV bikes that have both hard and soft bags. They use hard bags when on a road tour. Especially when staying in hotels, and soft bags when doing a BDR and camping. Both have their plusses and minuses.
Dave Swanson's bike looks great with those soft bags.
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This add popped up on my home page and note the bike.......bags look pretty good. I bought a helmet and jacket from this site and all is good with them.
Scott
https://www.motostorm.it/en/accessories/bag-supports/kappa-tmt8206k-side-pannier-holder.html?currency=USD&size=UNICA&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIjbeP2NeT_QIV0pdbCh3gNAPjEAEYASAGEgKxhfD_BwE
Yep, Im thinking of their bags for when i want soft bags on my bike!
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Bob, did you ever make up your mind/order something?
I ask because I was browsing today at Moto Machines as I've been thinking about adding bags to the Carbon Dark, when I saw these new C-Bow bags by HB for the first time. XCore:
https://www.motomachines.com/hepco-becker-xcore-side-cases-set
(https://www.motomachines.com/media/catalog/product/cache/2a09ce021955bbeec56b995e03d53dc2/h/e/hepco-_-becker-x-core-c-bow-side-luggage-case-set_1_1_1.jpg)
They aren't available YET, and might not be in time for what you have planned but DAMN don't they address all the issues:
* Rugged
* Waterproof
* Top loading
* Lid can open in two separate directions OR be popped off completely!
That last should address any potential issues with most topcases.
(https://www.motomachines.com/media/catalog/product/cache/2a09ce021955bbeec56b995e03d53dc2/h/e/hepco-_-becker-x-core-c-bow-side-luggage-case-set_13_1.jpg)
Available in all black or black/silver - I think the all black would go great on the Carbon Dark.
Damn.... I like.
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Yup them is attractive. Is the size a secret ? Maybe I missed it , how many liter’s or 12oz cans do they hold ? Or for our friends down under “oil cans”
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Yup them is attractive. Is the size a secret ? Maybe I missed it , how many liter’s or 12oz cans do they hold ? Or for our friends down under “oil cans”
~18L - so bigger than the C-Bow Strayker (~16L) and C-Bow Orbits (~15L), but nothing like the 30L Juniors or other bags that require the larger hard racks.
Still, that's a pretty nice compromise size to me. Combined with a 40L topcase that would give me nearly 80L of storage. More than enough for any of my trips.... and if I used the back seat for a duffel the sky is the limit.
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I used these semi-rigid Chase Harper bags on my V7. Big enough to carry essentials but certainly not tour capable. I'm thinking about selling them if anyone is interested.
(https://i.ibb.co/c8N6k2n/20200519-134917.jpg) (https://ibb.co/c8N6k2n)
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(https://i.ibb.co/MGwv7Cd/Hepco-Beker-Rack.jpg) (https://ibb.co/MGwv7Cd)
(https://i.ibb.co/WPsgmJx/new-Guzzi-V85tt.jpg) (https://ibb.co/WPsgmJx)
I like the Hepco & Becker Legacy Cbow bags on my W800, but for carrying more the Guzzi's aluminum panniers are better.
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Bob, did you ever make up your mind/order something?
I ask because I was browsing today at Moto Machines as I've been thinking about adding bags to the Carbon Dark, when I saw these new C-Bow bags by HB for the first time. XCore:
https://www.motomachines.com/hepco-becker-xcore-side-cases-set
(https://www.motomachines.com/media/catalog/product/cache/2a09ce021955bbeec56b995e03d53dc2/h/e/hepco-_-becker-x-core-c-bow-side-luggage-case-set_1_1_1.jpg)
They aren't available YET, and might not be in time for what you have planned but DAMN don't they address all the issues:
* Rugged
* Waterproof
* Top loading
* Lid can open in two separate directions OR be popped off completely!
That last should address any potential issues with most topcases.
(https://www.motomachines.com/media/catalog/product/cache/2a09ce021955bbeec56b995e03d53dc2/h/e/hepco-_-becker-x-core-c-bow-side-luggage-case-set_13_1.jpg)
Available in all black or black/silver - I think the all black would go great on the Carbon Dark.
Damn.... I like.
I couldn't resist!
I pre-ordered these for the Carbon Dark!
I can't wait (but I'll have to). I'll report back when the time finally comes!