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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: dave1068 on April 18, 2021, 05:51:01 PM
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Hey all,
While I enjoyed my V85TT Travel for the 1st day yesterday, I took it out today and after about a 90min, it sputted for a few seconds and then died. I tried starting it and it turned over but did not start. Had it towed home and reached out to dealer for tues opening.
I know MG bikes are known to be quirky but after 1 day of ownership??? No warning lights or engine links. Perhaps a slight winding noise later into my ride....
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Hey all,
While I enjoyed my V85TT Travel for the 1st day yesterday, I took it out today and after about a 90min, it sputted for a few seconds and then died. I tried starting it and it turned over but did not start. Had it towed home and reached out to dealer for tues opening.
I know MG bikes are known to be quirky but after 1 day of ownership??? No warning lights or engine links. Perhaps a slight winding noise later into my ride....
Sorry to hear that Dave as I know it’s aggravating. Hopefully it’s something simple and a one time incident 👍
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they have been very trouble free. Any chance it happened after filling with bad gas.
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The dealer had it gassed up when I picked it up, drove it home yesterday fine, took out today and fine accept for the last 3 miles home and then it died....
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Any chance its simply out of gas? When I bought my new 2012 V7R I specifically asked the salesman prior to leaving if the tank was topped off, YEP! I go the bike home rolled it off the truck rode around the block and the low fuel light came on.
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Dangit , sympathies mate . Just curious , have you checked the battery connections ?
Dusty
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Maybe hose came off of fuel filter, check fuses, water in fuel that's left in tank. Bad dealer set-up?
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Like I mentioned, it has gas, no warning light come on, opened up and closed gas cap , it almost turned over but not quite, sounded like a faint metal on metal grinding sound?
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That sucks and I know it’s annoying to have a broken new bike. The warranty is for early failures. Hopefully it’s just something simple.
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Like I mentioned, it has gas, no warning light come on, opened up and closed gas cap , it almost turned over but not quite, sounded like a faint metal on metal grinding sound?
Are you saying the starter motor is no longer cranking the motor over? The sound you are describing could be the solenoid opening and closing attempting to close the contacts to engage the starter motor but failing too for insufficient voltage.
If so it's a bad battery or bad connection.
Could be battery want charging or could be damaged or there's a loose connection in the battery or charging circuit.
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Are you saying the starter motor is no longer cranking the motor over? The sound you are describing could be the solenoid opening and closing attempting to close the contacts to engage the starter motor but failing too for insufficient voltage.
If so it's a bad battery or bad connection.
Could be battery want charging or could be damaged or there's a loose connection in the battery or charging circuit.
My vote also.
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My vote also.
Third the electrical being a likely problem. If fuel the engine should at least crank. Check the battery terminals to start. I've also had brand new batteries fail upon installation - maybe you just got a bad one. If you have a charger or jumper pack try hooking that up and see if the system come on.
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I the other post you said warning lites come on at 4500rpm, can you explain?
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Just went out, popped off seat connections are all tight, fuses in place, bike cranks over and sounds like it wants to go, all gauges light up but like i said earlier, there is an ever so faint sound of what sounds like metal on metal....
the 4500rpm is just a break in warning i think not to exceed
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If it's diagnosed as a 'bad battery' I doubt it's actually a bad battery. More likely that someone at the dealership may not have properly put the battery into service. Far too often someone at a dealership simply fills the battery, installs it and sends the bike out. That is the very definition of putting a battery into service improperly. The directions that come with a new Yuasa battery say to:
1. fill it (only takes 2 to 3 minutes)
2. wait 2 to 3 hours (this step allows the acid to be absorbed into the glass mat)
3. charge it fully
4. then properly install it.
Those who only do steps 1 and 4 are the issue, not the battery itself. Skip step 2 and/or 3 and you'll very likely have a 'bad battery' within a day or two of ownership.
Please let the forum know what the end result and the diagnosis is.
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I the other post you said warning lites come on at 4500rpm, can you explain?
That sounds like the shift warning lights which are set at 4500 rpm for the break in period.
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Just went out, popped off seat connections are all tight, fuses in place, bike cranks over and sounds like it wants to go, all gauges light up but like i said earlier, there is an ever so faint sound of what sounds like metal on metal....
the 4500rpm is just a break in warning i think not to exceed
Ok so the starter motor is functioning, it is cranking the motor over, yes?
What does "sounds like it wants to go" mean?!? Does it sorta catch and sputter or are does it just turn over and over without any signs of combustion?
If it's the latter, have you opened the tank to look for signs of an open fuel hose/filter? That is open the tank and watch while you turn the ignition on/set the stop button to run. If you see turbulence in the fuel while the pump runs you likely have a mechanical fuel delivery problem. You can also watch for this while cranking the bike with the starter motor.
Otherwise we still don't know whether it's fuel or ignition.
But it sounds like it is NOT battery/charging.
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During my first long ride on my Norge, I discovered the bike had a faulty fuel level sensor. Ran out of gas on my way back down Mount Rainer with gauge showing 1/2 tank. Was almost at the top and heading down, coasted all the way down and to the flats, and pulled off.
Being that the bike cranks (starter engages) and all the lights come on and cycle, have you checked and confirmed you have fuel? Also, when you turn on the key does the fuel pump run? I wouldn't worry about the 'metallic' sound Guzzi's make all kinds of weird sounds.
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Bad Gas from dealer, settled to bottom.
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Crank angle sensor ?
Maybe the grinding noise. Have you had a look to see if you have spark ?
Squirt a little fuel down it’s pie hole and see if it goes bang..!
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Is this is a new bike purchased from a Guzzi dealer? If so, I’d be tempted to let them troubleshoot it.
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Is this is a new bike purchased from a Guzzi dealer? If so, I’d be tempted to let them troubleshoot it.
He's going too. But the dealers is no open on Sunday. While I'm all in on let the dealer handle it but if was something simple like a loose battery terminal or out of fuel that got me and my new bike up and running I go for it.
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He's going too. But the dealers is no open on Sunday. While I'm all in on let the dealer handle it but if was something simple like a loose battery terminal or out of fuel that got me and my new bike up and running I go for it.
Agree. Quick at-home trouble shoot of the obvious stuff. If it's not staring you in the face get it to the dealer as they may have messed something up. Any attempted fixes beyond loose wire or no gas may impact a warranty claim and you don't want to give the dealer any excuse to pass blame.
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Thanks for all the tips, dealer is closed sun/mon but hopefully they can pick it up tues and diagnose and repair it quick and reimburse me my 150 tow fee or work something out service costs, etc
Ill advise what the culprit was when resolved
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Thanks for all the tips, dealer is closed sun/mon but hopefully they can pick it up tues and diagnose and repair it quick and reimburse me my 150 tow fee or work something out service costs, etc
Ill advise what the culprit was when resolved
Yes, good luck, and after reading all this, I suspect something simple, but please let us know what caused this irritation... :thumb: :cool: :wink: :smiley:
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Lit out of Georgia to New York on my brand new Yamaha.
She was dead on the side of the road at 3am in Ohio!
Cop comes by, calls Flat bed truck, takes me to motel near a Yamy dealer.
They trouble shoot and find fuel filter gunked up. On the road later that day. Oh,well. Another motorcycle story to tell.. :boozing:
Hang in there my friend, how we carry ourselves during these "hiccups"
is what separates riders from weekend warriors.
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That really sucks. Hang in there, don't let it get you down, let the dealer sort it out, and get a good report from them on what they found.
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That really sucks. Hang in there, don't let it get you down, let the dealer sort it out, and get a good report from them on what they found.
^^^^This .
Dusty
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Dealer picked up my bike, enroute back to shop. Curious once they hook up to computer what the fault will be.
Stay tuned...
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:popcorn: :popcorn:
Tom
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First Guzzi I ever had, 1984 V65SP, had a bad main crankshaft thrust bearing. Happened at about 500 miles. Guzzi fixed it under warrarranty, rode it another 29,000 trouble free miles. Here's hoping you have the same outcome!
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Does the dealer receive the new bike in a crate and has to assemble a few things? And does the dealer charge for this or some sort of pre sale inspection?
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This dealer is very good, been in business 71 yrs, doesnt charge setup, does charge the 600 for freight and just recently started charging 100 for doc fee. used to be no doc fee.
I know they do PDIs on all bikes and then sold, sends them thru service again and also check for any updates, I actually took it out on a test ride (Ive known this dealer for years and he did let me take out the new 2020 bike out on a test ride)
Hope to hear soon
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:popcorn:
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Does anyone know if MG still offers roadside assistance? I know when I bought my stelvio in 2011, they had it but when I bought the V85, nothing was said.
Didnt see anything current online about, i think ducati offers it though...
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Does anyone know if MG still offers roadside assistance? I know when I bought my stelvio in 2011, they had it but when I bought the V85, nothing was said.
Didnt see anything current online about, i think ducati offers it though...
Most good insurance companies have a road side assistance that comes with, or can be added to the policy. Mine is like $5 or $10 a year additional.
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Does anyone know if MG still offers roadside assistance? I know when I bought my stelvio in 2011, they had it but when I bought the V85, nothing was said.
Didnt see anything current online about, i think ducati offers it though...
I can check my papers but I thought it was part of the warranty. It was on my Eldo, and I think V7iii. Let me poke around, mine's a 2020 though
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All you have to do it look it up on Guzzi web site, the answer is no.
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All you have to do it look it up on Guzzi web site, the answer is no.
Can you share that link? I could not find any discussion of it, or warranty for that matter. Thanks
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Roada sidea assistance?
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Most good insurance companies have a road side assistance that comes with, or can be added to the policy. Mine is like $5 or $10 a year additional.
In PA State Farm does not offer roadside assistance or towing for motorcycles. Geico did but was about $635 more per motorcycle per year.
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Does anyone know if MG still offers roadside assistance? I know when I bought my stelvio in 2011, they had it but when I bought the V85, nothing was said.
Didnt see anything current online about, i think ducati offers it though...
Towing was specifically excluded from my warranty book, finally found it. I have AAA with RV, that covers towing up to I think 100 miles or so.
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In PA State Farm does not offer roadside assistance or towing for motorcycles. Geico did but was about $635 more per motorcycle per year.
Progressive was under $20.00 for 4 bikes???
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Roada sidea assistance?
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Guido was funny :laugh:
Dusty
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Guido was funny :laugh:
Dusty
Gotta admit, I cracked myself up on that one during happy hour with Max. :laugh:
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Gotta admit, I cracked myself up on that one during happy hour with Max. :laugh:
:laugh: :bow:
Dusty
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For those of you who liked Father Guido Sarducci, have you ever read his book?
The actor character is Don Novello. He compiled a book called the "Lazlo Toth Letters". If you are unaware, one whacked out Laszlo Toth attacked Michelangelo's statue of the Pieta with a hammer in 1972! Novello wrote letters around the world to famous persons and corporations under the penname of Laszlo Toth. He would ask for autographed photographs or perhaps some sample of production goods. The compiled letters are hysterical and very few ever caught on about the author's name. Find it through your local library. One memorable communication involved a complaint to a bubble bath company. The box containing the powdered soap had a printed caution to "keep dry" and he couldn't figure out how to make the bubbles! The company replied with serious instructions.
Patrick Hayes
Fremont CA
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For those of you who liked Father Guido Sarducci, have you ever read his book?
The actor character is Don Novello. He compiled a book called the "Lazlo Toth Letters". If you are unaware, one whacked out Laszlo Toth attacked Michelangelo's statue of the Pieta with a hammer in 1972! Novello wrote letters around the world to famous persons and corporations under the penname of Laszlo Toth. He would ask for autographed photographs or perhaps some sample of production goods. The compiled letters are hysterical and very few ever caught on about the author's name. Find it through your local library. One memorable communication involved a complaint to a bubble bath company. The box containing the powdered soap had a printed caution to "keep dry" and he couldn't figure out how to make the bubbles! The company replied with serious instructions.
Patrick Hayes
Fremont CA
Interesting Patrick! :thumb:
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Progressive was under $20.00 for 4 bikes???
State Farm its not optional but since State Farm is several hundred times less expensive I'm okay not having $20 roadside assistance.
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Most good insurance companies have a road side assistance that comes with, or can be added to the policy. Mine is like $5 or $10 a year additional.
What good is it?
Any time I have ever had any involvement with roadside assistance, it was more of a hassle then it was worth.
It makes you FEEL like someone is there to help, but they seldom are.
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What good is it?
Any time I have ever had any involvement with roadside assistance, it was more of a hassle then it was worth.
It makes you FEEL like someone is there to help, but they seldom are.
It has worked for me and my friends. Maybe it is a southern thing. People are just more friendly and helpful down here.
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It has worked for me and my friends. Maybe it is a southern thing. People are just more friendly and helpful down here.
Uh, Two Wheel, I believe you live NORTH of Wayne. :tongue: :thumb:
-AJ
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What good is it?
Any time I have ever had any involvement with roadside assistance, it was more of a hassle then it was worth.
It makes you FEEL like someone is there to help, but they seldom are.
Like the guy in the rollback armed with 20,000lb winch and binder chains that could hold down Case M series dozer. These guys are well known for their finesse. Throw a hook on the bike drag it up then binder chain it to the deck on the side stand until the frame is stressed and suspension if full compressed.
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It has worked for me and my friends. Maybe it is a southern thing. People are just more friendly and helpful down here.
My CX died in Manhattan from a drained battery, called Progressive and someone was there within a half hour. A loose connection on the Norge battery while riding around upstate NY resulted in a dead battery in Woodstock,NY. Within an hour I was on the road again.
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I get towing insurance w my AMA membership, around $50/yr.
I had a water pump fail on a truck I was driving while on the interstate--stopped dead, no way to drive off. Called AMA and got a tow in around half an hour. I've been renewing membership ever since.
Rich A
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Partial update: The bike was put on the computer and nothing came up so its a problem that isnt "fault coded"
Could be many things but I suppose they use a logical order when a bike wont start and it doesnt come up on the computer....
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Partial update: The bike was put on the computer and nothing came up so its a problem that isnt "fault coded"
Could be many things but I suppose they use a logical order when a bike wont start and it doesnt come up on the computer....
It's called good old fashioned troubleshooting - is it Compression, Spark, for Fuel?
A quick spark check should send them in the right direction.
BTW, did you ever check to see if the fuel pump was running and/or if you could see swirling in the tank?!?
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It'll be something simple, odds are
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Just went out, popped off seat connections are all tight, fuses in place, bike cranks over and sounds like it wants to go, all gauges light up but like i said earlier, there is an ever so faint sound of what sounds like metal on metal....
Have you checked the oil level?
Dan
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I did a fly-n-ride to North Carolina for my Norge. I left the dealership heading back to Pittsburgh and got about 30min before I filled up with gas. When I went to start I got nothing. Called the dealer and he sent a truck to pick up the bike and me. It turned out there were two holes in the sump, one was a plug and the other had the wiring that went to the cooling fan. It seems they had reversed the two locations and the wires were now too long and the wires got caught in the fan blades. A little bit of tape and a swap of the two and I was on my way. Never had any more problems in the years following. Things happen.
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THE VERDICT IS IN: the left cylinder tappet screw backed out causing the valve not to open
Did not see that one coming....
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Well, way to go, Luigi!
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THE VERDICT IS IN: the left cylinder tappet screw backed out causing the valve not to open
Did not see that one coming....
:thumb: I think we have heard this before . Glad it is sorted .
Dusty
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Glad it's sorted and glad you had great dealer support!
-AJ
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YES! Go man,go !!
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Have you checked the air pressure?
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Huh. Would have thought that it would have one-lunged it a bit instead of not starting at all.
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Over the years I’ve done it both ways, jamnut not tight enough and came off, jamnut over torqued and broke off the adjuster. I developed a feel for somewhere in the middle .. one of those things that can get so routine that I had to make myself feel stupid at the cost of a couple pushrods and then repeat it a year or two later.
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:thumb: I think we have heard this before . Glad it is sorted .
Dusty
If this isn't new then maybe a quick tightness check is called for given it's easy enough to do?
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Good to hear from you all----Im guessing the factory forgot to check it as thats not a dealer PDI item :drool:
Next goal is try to recoup my 150 for the tow or work it into a free 1st service.
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Glad that's sorted! And now you'll have a great story to tell your grandchildren! "Grandpa, what's a valve?" they'll ask. "It's like air intake on your flycycle," you'll be able to tell them. "If it isn't open, the bike won't fly."
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THE VERDICT IS IN: the left cylinder tappet screw backed out causing the valve not to open
Did not see that one coming....
OK...IMHO, THAT little data gemstone is a negotiable item for your $150 towing bill or a future free service!!
(Geeeez!!!) :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :shocked: :shocked: :shocked: :huh: :huh: :huh:
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I know Dave's dealer as wall. They have a pretty damn standup service dept.
Glad you got it sorted!
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Huh. Would have thought that it would have one-lunged it a bit instead of not starting at all.
That's what I thought too, but I wonder if that's also part of what he meant by sounded like it wanted to start.
Maybe it was trying but couldn't sustain on one cylinder against maybe compression in the other?
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I had a 950 Guzzi that suffered a Dyna ignition failure and rode 50 miles back home. We even stopped at a pub and several other times..The engine had no problem restarting ,it just was slow and shook like a wet dog..An injected engine may act differently...
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OK...IMHO, THAT little data gemstone is a negotiable item for your $150 towing bill or a future free service!!
(Geeeez!!!) :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :shocked: :shocked: :shocked: :huh: :huh: :huh:
I’m sure other brands would have “different ideas “ for appeasing the customer in this type of situation...
Harley Dealers- three skull bandanas, and One HD t Shirt.
BMW Dealers- after several calls to Berlin, Headquarters determine that it was “ rider error”.
Indian Dealers- Four skull bandanas, and two Indian T shirts.
Ural Dealers- box of snow shipped direct from the Ural Mountains, plus some spare Lucas fuses.
Ducati Dealers- special embossed invitation to the upcoming unveiling of the Adventure Touring 1800cc Diaval Limited Corsa model. Trademark Ducati attire required to attend.
Triumph Dealers- 10% discount to the RATS club, must own a Triumph to join.
Royal Enfield- a complimentary photo of the 1966 Royal Enfield Continental GT.
Zero Dealers- box of alkaline D type batteries, “just in case”.
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That's high quality humor right there.
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That's high quality humor right there.
+1 :laugh:
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Honda would have claimed it was an electrical problem and offered a ball cap as recompense . Yamaha would have blamed it on Honda .
Dusty
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THE VERDICT IS IN: the left cylinder tappet screw backed out causing the valve not to open
Did not see that one coming....
Nothing like a bit of drama on a new bike.
Now go out and put a few thousand miles on it next week. and break it in.
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A simple nuts and bolts fix. There is no code for that sort of problem. Some debate over if it would run in that situation but not knowing if it was intake of exhaust (at least if it's there I missed it) Either one would affect things differently and whether or not it was partially opening or not at all. Surprised it didn't make obvious clatter but on a bike so new to you it may not be so obvious as you aren't used to all it's noises.
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My Audace dropped a valve at 543 miles. Fortunately the dealer still had it and the manager had taken it out for spin prior to my arriving to test ride it. I'm glad it didn't happen when I was riding it. I might have been blamed even though it has a rev limiter. Piaggio sent a new motor for it. I have only 11,000 miles on it now, would be more but for -. You just never know with a new bike. Fortunately yours was pretty minor.
kk
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A simple nuts and bolts fix. There is no code for that sort of problem. Some debate over if it would run in that situation but not knowing if it was intake of exhaust (at least if it's there I missed it) Either one would affect things differently and whether or not it was partially opening or not at all. Surprised it didn't make obvious clatter but on a bike so new to you it may not be so obvious as you aren't used to all it's noises.
Its funny you mention that, I did notice a bit of a winding noise prior to it happened, but as others have said, guzzis make so many noises plus it was new, hard to tell. Off to pick up now.
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It would have been a normal sound for a 1400. :evil:
kk
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Bike is back and runs fine, nothing like a nice ride in 37* weather with 30-40mph winds...
My comfort tall seat was in so I put that on and its very well made, suede top and about 7/8" higher. Minimal back pain.
I was glad to see the dealer took their last V85 TT model into service and check it out as well
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Honda would have claimed it was an electrical problem and offered a ball cap as recompense . Yamaha would have blamed it on Honda .
Dusty
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I had to retrieve two friends on separate occasions because the valve adjusters had broke off. Both had their bike serviced at the same dealership, now long gone. One on an Aluminum and the other on an 1100 Sport. I assume it was a combination of poor materials and over torquing the nut.
Pete
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BMW and Harley Davidson would have said, "They all do that."
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Bike is back and runs fine, nothing like a nice ride in 37* weather with 30-40mph winds...
Dave, how did the bike handle those winds?
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It did ok, I took a combination of back roads and the freeway as it was cold. Handles the road well, a little bit blown around but not bad-
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My comfort tall seat was in so I put that on and its very well made, suede top and about 7/8" higher. Minimal back pain.
How firm is the comfort seat compared with the perhaps-overly-squishy stock seat? Firmer? Squishier? The same only different?
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It felt much better for me, then again I have lower back issues, its very well made and the top is suede. I was a little wider but i think theres some type of gel or something like it so it was supportive but not overly form or squishy, Bear in mind I was only on it for about 1hr.
Will know more as I ride more
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Really glad it worked out Dave, many happy miles!
Encouraging to see your dealer taking such action, shows they are a top notch shop. Most would shrug it off as an anomaly (which it likely was). Shows they take pride in taking care of customers.
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It felt much better for me, then again I have lower back issues, its very well made and the top is suede. I was a little wider but i think theres some type of gel or something like it so it was supportive but not overly form or squishy, Bear in mind I was only on it for about 1hr.
Will know more as I ride more
I also have lower back problems and that little lumbar bump does a surprisingly good job supporting your back. On the basically flat V7 saddle I'd hurt after a couple hours. On the V85TT I got a little stiff after a 90 minute jaunt but in clearly better shape. I'm using the low comfort saddle for my stubby 30" inseam.
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Good to hear, i think its one of the few bikes ive seen that has the "back nub" on a stock seat. It seems to work for some-
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I got my service for half price when I complained about my bike when I picked it up, loose bolts and oil leaks from new.