Difficulty Deploying Kickstand on Anni. Solutions Requested.

[Muzz]

weld a bigger tang onto the tip.

This is what I did on the Breva. Works fine now.

[Huzo]

 :1: Huzo, you make me LAUGH! 

LAUGH ???


P.S.
Did you hear the one about the Monkey, the tiny piano and the 12" Pianist ??
A Krusty the Clown classic...
Uuhhh.. Oohh.. can't tell that one !
Ok Dusty..
I've got my 'chute on and about to bail out..

[malik]

I did a WG search before posting my inquiry and saw these very pics.  Before your modification, was the tang flat or

The tang on the V7's and Breva's is a loop of wire, welded, shaped & braced onto the stand. The tang tip is bent over so that the last inch or two sit parallel to the ground. The bolt & not fit in the eye of the loop.

Here is a top view of one of mine - note that the bracing has been changed/modified - my cousin who rode that bike around Oz had a heavier foot. Also note that the wire is not fully rigid; it does deform with use but can be re-bent with care.






Your photo of your sidestand is a side view & it's not clear if the Anni has a bent wire loop tang, or a solid rod with a blob on the end. If the latter, it's not such an easy fix, but the same principle applies. The end of the tang has to be made big enough to stand proud so your heel catches it easily, but without looking like a dog's breakfast. Let us know - solutions will emerge.

[Huzo]

Response #16 Malik.
Looks like a shaft with a knob...
When in the "down" position, it will require bending "forward" to give clearance from the muffler when retracted.

[yogidozer]

You'd make a good wife Yoge.
'Just can't stand to see a bloke enjoy himself.
I better stop here, this toilet humour is becoming far too comfortable.

sorry bud, I don't ride sidesaddle!

[yogidozer]

yeah, we better stop, someone will take us seriously 

[malik]

Yes Huzo - #16 photo does look like a shaft & knob, but a closer look at the photo reveals the hint of a brace, which would mean wire, and just an inconvenient photo angle. Hopefully.

[Huzo]

sorry bud, I don't ride sidesaddle!

Who said you were the rider ?

[Huzo]

Yes Huzo - #16 photo does look like a shaft & knob, but a closer look at the photo reveals the hint of a brace, which would mean wire, and just an inconvenient photo angle. Hopefully.

Hmmm..
Giz another shot GG, from a different angle.

[Huzo]

yeah, we better stop, someone will take us seriously 

Ahh, wouldn't be the worst thing Yoge.
Just had a big rule change in Oz.
Wanna' make it official ?

[yogidozer]

Ahh, wouldn't be the worst thing Yoge.
Just had a big rule change in Oz.
Wanna' make it official ?

I would love to visit Australia, have a not so crazy single sister? 

[Guzzi Gal]

Hmmm..
Giz another shot GG, from a different angle.

Will these do?

[Devildog]

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I feel most comfortable with a bit of wood holding up my Sport.

[yogidozer]

photo upload sites free

I feel most comfortable with a bit of wood holding up my Sport.

you might want to try letting the fork tubes rise up into the triple clamp. speeds up steering a bit, doesn't lean so much on the side stand, as a bonus. still stable as can be in the turns

[yogidozer]

Will these do?

that looks great!

[Zoom Zoom]

To begin with, two things keep coming up in the various threads. Heat or no heat.

Something worth considering. There is a chance that piece might be hollow. If it is, trying to bend it without heat could cause it to snap, then you would be in a real pickle. Now I truly don't know if it is or not, but heat would certainly be a solution for either hollow or solid.

I might suggest something else that would allow you to try out your options before committing to it. A short length of angle, either aluminum or steel, maybe 1/2 inch on each side, clamped onto the sidestand with a couple of clamps. Have that extend out just the extra needed without getting crazy about it and try it out. Small U bolts could be used to secure it to the stand. Doing that would require the U bolts be the right inside size to fit over the current piece, and with a hole or two drilled into the angle for the threaded end to go through. Nylock nuts to complete the task. You could then put some kind of rubber bumper where you want to contact it with your boot. The section in your local mom and pop hardware store where all the bits drawers are located would likely fuel the ideas. If when complete, you decide it is working well and does not look horrible, then it's back to the hardware store for some black paint. Disassemble, paint, and reassemble. You might find that you don't need to bend anything.

Now this may not work at all. I don't know what kind of clearance you have when the stand is up. But, it might be worth investigating. What I envision might set you back 10 bucks or so at the hardware store. Flat iron or flat aluminum probably would not have the strength needed for this type of service. Eventually it would likely bend which is why I suggested angle. You would need to be ready to cut off what you need as it usually comes in pre-cut lengths, like 3 feet, 4 feet, etc.

Clamps that **might** work:
https://www.grainger.com/product/31KM02?cm_mmc=PPC:+Google+PLA&s_kwcid=AL!2966!3!166596546917!!!g!82128493797!&ef_id=WlT-PgAAALauiw_5:20180206005857:s&kwid=productads-adid^166596546917-device^c-plaid^82128493797-sku^31KM02-adType^PLA

Or:
https://www.4wd.com/p/dorman-u-joint-strap-and-bolt-kit-81020/_/R-DWRT-81020?utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=shopping&emlprox=out&ppcfon=1&gp=1&tf=1&gclid=Cj0KCQiAnuDTBRDUARIsAL41eDpLV90cHz2m6uXNTkGzuStMHN0U5RxcLoIPF6tgs7-XAiq-p9th2SgaAsxQEALw_wcB

Just don't confine your ideas to motorcycle stuff. It does not matter what it was made for, it only matters that it would work for what you want to do.

Back to the heat thing, if you are going to do that, you'll want a torch that will heat up the area quickly, before too much heat radiates up the arm, so yeah, a small torch may not be the best option. But, once you have an idea, get your stuff ready and head over to the local muffler shop. They could quickly heat a spot and then you can bend it to your liking.

John Henry

[malik]

OK - you've got a rod and a (small) ball. At least the rod looks more robust than the wire ones we have.

But that knob is way too small & the wrong shape to be able to be caught by a heel easily. Here's some ideas:-

- put something on the end of it to raise the end a little higher, so it pokes up a little more next to the muffler. It shouldn't take much. You could test the required length with, say, a bit of garden hose pushed down over the rod. Then you would probably need something to plug the inside of the proud end to give your boot purchase.

- put a thread on the knob with a die & screw something with the appropriate female thread onto it. Something like a bigger knob or a large dome nut might work. For knots, check out ships chandlers, kitchen cabinetry, RV tow bars, something out of left field. A big old nut might work, but probably won't look pretty enough.

- melt some kind of hard plastic around the knob, or some liquid metal like JB Weld & built up something that would work without being too naff. Likely will not last all that long - the end does come in for a lot of abuse & at odd angles.

Whatever you do do, it really does need something more. Good luck.

[Fireflyr]

I welded a new foot on to the bottom of my LMIII's kickstand.  It curves up when the stand is stowed and is easy to find without looking.  Not a big fan of the forward Tonti Kickstands.  I also made the foot about 30% larger so it doesn't sink into dirt as much.

[Guzzi Gal]

All your suggestions have fed my imagination, making my kickstand problem not long for this world.  This is what I love about WG! :1:
 
1.  Fabricate something out of thick sheet metal that will wrap the post and then bend over the ball like a cap.  I can build a maquette in cardboard first to see if it's feasible.  To my thinking, the ball will act as a stop keeping the wrapped section from slipping off and the cap for my foot will lock it in place and give me a spot to put my heel. 

2.  Use a split clamping/shafting collar to hold an extension in place and keep a clean look.



3.  Drill, tap and die (I think I have a set somewhere) and install a cool knob, or better yet, an old clawfoot bauble as befitting a Guzzi.
   


4.  I Googled "kickstand extension", once I figured out what to call the thing, and discovered they exist IRL.  I might just give one a try and save myself some frustration.




Hmmm...  Decisions, decisions.   

[rodekyll]

What is the risk of tipover in a high wind or poor/angled surface? 

I've never thought much of those dainty little kickstands.  I've seen too many bikes fall off of them.  Have you thought about a police style stand?  No bike ever fell off of one of those in the history of time.  If you can tolerate the form, the function can't be beat.

[tris]

The Jubilee clip (hose clip in 'merican I believe) is a good idea initially as you can fiddle about with it to see what works best before you go to welding/heating/leverage or gurt great 'ammer

Remember to round the end off what ever you do so it doesn't stick in you should you go for a graceful slide down the road

[ITSec]

yeah, we better stop, someone will take us seriously 

Am I gonna have to start quoting the Monty Python Australian university sketch? "No pooftahs!"

[Huzo]

Am I gonna have to start quoting the Monty Python Australian university sketch? "No pooftahs!"

Yep, second rule same as the first.
Sir Les Patterson put it beautifully, ( of course).

[Huzo]

that looks great!

Yep, just bend it forwards a bit and that'll translate out to more clearance from the cycle parts when folded up.

[Guzzi Gal]

:1:

Yep, just bend it forwards a bit and that'll translate out to more clearance from the cycle parts when folded up.

Certainly, the easiest if it can be done without damaging anything.  The "MacGyver" pipe hunt starts later this morning and I give 'er a try.  If I had a big enough torch, an anvil, proper (power ) hammer, I would heat that ball up, flatten it out a bit, and add a knurled texture.  Alas, I don't have a smithy-yet.  

[Sheepdog]

You could try glueing a shifter rubber from an old Triumph on the end with some black RTV. That will give you an additional 1/4 to 1/2 inch of length on the tang. Easy to install, cheap, and easy to remove if it doesn’t work out...

http://thebonnevilleshop.com/triumph-bonneville-tiger-500-650-750-twins-gear-lever-rubber-57-2450/

[malik]

Like the claw foot!

While you are interested in this sort of thing, check out the old Honda sidestand that came with a replaceable rubber tip on the end. Perhaps that concept might be adaptable.

[rodekyll]

There's a rubber shoe that goes over the flat foot on guzzi kickstands that have a flat foot.  I think it's the same part as a floorboard brake pedal rubber, but it's been a while since I visited one.  Goes on easiest hot.

[rider33]

there are a variety of side stand extensions that either clamp on or reqire the drilling of a hole in the stand to attach,  I'm sure on of those would work.  Personally,  I'm hoping the OEM center stand is easier to deal with as the arm coming off that is pretty good sized.  If the temps ever break freezing long enough to get out in the garage and install it I guess I'll find out.  I've tended to modify bikes rather extensively in the past but this Anniversio is so pretty,  I'm redicent to change much.

[Socalrob]

Will these do?

By far the best solution (although not the cheapest) is to put on a pair of Agostini pipes.  The smaller diameter of the Agostini's fixes (at least in my case) any problem finding the kick stand with your heal.  The Agostinis look better (smaller diameter fits the bike nicely), they cut a big amount of weight off the bike, they sound very nice (baffles in), and you can now use your unmodified side stand.