Sport 1100 Pricing

[MedicAndy]

I agree with Andy, the owner of the black Sporti in SF was testing the waters, not a serious seller. If Andy was willing to pay $8k, that was a generous offer. The seller had a lovely LeMans II priced at $9500, again not a serious price, but maybe in a few years?
If you wanted to collect Italian sport bikes and Ducati prices gave you sticker shock, a $7k Sport would look like a bargain.

I just saw where the SF seller of the 97 Sport has just re-listed the LM III for $1k less then two weeks ago. He does now state that he will not talk to any possible buyers in person over the phone. I guess he did not learn from loosing me as a buyer for his 97 that a lot of people will not pay up to $10k (total cost with shipping, if needed) without talking to the seller first. Let's wait and see if he will also re-list his 97 Sport....

[Turin]

Dude, You really need a Daytona. It is the bike that spawned the 1100 sports.

[jacksonracingcomau]

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This is also correct. As delivered, Daytona's in particular are almost a kit bike. A bone Stock Daytona RS or Centauro is almost un-rideable. Once set up properly... yikes!

How true, not just these bikes
Only assembled for ease of transport, put it together properly yourself
EFI sorting just a new twist to old grease the bearings, check clearancea etc, etc
This thread makes me want to buy a V10, any unused left ?
Fixable for sure , all of them

[Chuck in Indiana]

Kit bike? Back in the day, I said the only reason they assembled the Centauro was to make sure you got all the parts.. 

[pressureangle]

I paid $3500 for mine last year. $1500 of paint, sensors and washing, $700 for MyECU controller and tune up, $700 Mistral carbon cans and it's worth every penny.
Some of you saw it at Martin's Sat. for the Bike week meet.

I feel like I got a bargain, though I do all my own work.

[MedicAndy]

i suspect that this will get a bump during the upcoming riding season.  a couple of reasons; medicandy has herded the available inventory into his garage - scarcity bumps prices, and the renewed interest in daytonas and their costiness will reflect  to their poorer cousins the sport 1100 models. IMO the sport 1100's are undervalued. this will change and i'm not just saying that because i plan to put mine up on the market in a month or so.

I was going to buy me a nice 93 Daytona from one of our members here, but a couple of things happened, non were the Daytona owners faults, so that this deal is put on hold for now. Ironically enough, the one 1100 Sport color "Black / Nero" of the 1100 Sports original factory offerings that I had missing in my collection and missed out on buying about two weeks ago was re-listed on eBay. The seller and I finally came to a buying / selling price of that bike that we both can live with, so I finally added a Nero 1997 1100 Sporti with only 1388 original miles to the stable earlier this week. I must say that this 1100 Sport had the highest purchase price of the seven that I own now, not by too much however, but this bike came with a set of newly last week installed Pirelli tires, and she was also just fully serviced. I think that I did pretty good, especially looking at the condition of this 21 year old bike, which looks as good as any newly sold 2018 bike does. I think that I'm good now with buying anymore 1100 Sports, but I will keep my eyes open for a possible good 1997 parts bike or two.














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[Turin]

That's be the one I'd pick if I was after an 1100 sport.

[Chuck in Indiana]

Nice find, Andy.. 

[Devildog]

Well done for keeping at it, this was the seller who wrote, "don't phone me I'm too busy"!

[Furbo]

IMHO,

the Carb Sports were the last bike Guzzi made that should've worn the Le Mans label. 

[rocker59]

IMHO,

the Carb Sports were the last bike Guzzi made that should've worn the Le Mans label.

Yes.  Agreed.  Don't know why they used "Sport 1100" as a companion to "Daytona".

Should've been LeMans 1100.  LeMans VI.  Etc....

I actually considered having some "LeMans 1100" decals made for the tail section of my Sport 1100 back in the late '90s.  Was thinking of buying one of those accessory solo tail sections and using the LeMans 1100 Decals on it.  Never got around to it, though.

[Devildog]

I think we need more pics and feedback from Kristian on his new Sport purchase.....after all he started this thread!

[ajpjive]

Hi all!

Sorry to bump this post with a bike-specific question, but there's an 1100 Sport available somewhat near me, and I'm quite interested in acquiring one. That said, I'm A-Ok with waiting, it's about 8hr away, and I'd have to deal with moving the bike again when we relocate to Michigan in August.

The bike is a '96 with 33500 miles on the clock and is supposed to be in pretty good condition. Stock exhaust and carburetors, according to the owner. Original airbox is gone with K&N filters instead. He did drop a different transmission in the bike a number of years back, although I'm not sure what model it's off of (he described it as a 'touring transmission' with a much lower 4th and 5th). I'm also somewhat confused on the wheels, as I thought the silver wheels were on the '97 FI bikes, not the '96's. Additionally the bike's presently wearing HeliBars and an aftermarket fairing, but the original fairing and bars are included. The seller's asking $4,000.

What do you think, is this a kickin' deal I should swing for, or should I wait and see what else comes available? I think my 'dream' 1100 Sport is a yellow '97, but I was always partial to the black too.

Thanks in advance!

Here are some pictures he sent on over:

[Devildog]

This is just my opinion...I would urge caution. It may be a great bike, or it may be a money pit to get sorted. If you spend very much sorting it you will exceed the value of a stock, lower mileage bike, and
if and when you ever want to sell it, a stock bike will find a lot more buyer interest.
MedicAndy will likely give his 2 cents.

[Turin]

These are not exactly the barcalounger of the Guzzi family tree, so I cam see why someone would put those fugly controls and fairing on this bike. Check why the tranny was swapped. Bad 5th gear?  Guzzi owners are a thrifty bunch and one installing a cali trans wouldn't surprise me.

Mufflers and crossover are aftermarket ( not necessarily a bad thing ).

Could be a decent buy. If all the stock pieces are in good shape I'd jump on it before MedicAndy sniffs it out. 

[ajpjive]

Thanks for the input guys! I've had similar concerns of it possibly being an extreme money pit if things turn out to be poorly sorted.

Went ahead and contacted the owner, and he gave me a bit of other information on the transmission. I was told the one installed is from an 850 T3. He said the stock transmission is in fine shape (and included in the sale), he just had it changed as he didn't like how tall 4th and 5th were.

[rocker59]

The pictured wheels are the Campagnolo wheels which were standard on the Carb Sports.

The injected Sports had Marchesini wheels.

It may not be pretty, but the tubular handlebars on that bike will make it much more rideable for most people.

The stock fairing requires low clipons, which 9 out 10 riders won't /can't tolerate for long rides.

[Turin]

If it has the stock bits then jump on it.

[Murray]

That ones a bitsa IMO its got a daytona 1000 front end (forks brakes calipers whees , why they are white I suspect). I'd be tempted to spend more and get a nicer one. It at the very least doesn't have the stock cross over and from memory the original cans were stainless lafraconis not some ali cans that look like the've been salvaged off a ducati. They also sat low enough for the pillion pegs to be useable.... kinda. Carbs in stock condition is not a selling point so it probably runs like a dog and has all the finesse of a regulator on a steam loco. Like I said keep looking unless you have a use for the parts.

[MedicAndy]

This is just my opinion...I would urge caution... MedicAndy will likely give his 2 cents.

Right on, I will give my 2 cents..... :)

Kristian, (No worries, I won't look for or buy this bike....) 

I like, as everybody knows, the 1100 Sports. I have five 97 I's and two 96 carbs. For me, and that is only in my humble opinion, I look for bikes that show how much their current owner likes and has taken care of them. As "Devildog" already stated, buyer beware, any bike can become a money pit quick, if the bike was neglected. I have talked about this on here before, but it did not take but a couple of Moto Guzzi bike purchases to realize that many MG owners are cheap, as in...... We ride it until it gives out, replace broken or worn out items with the cheapest stuff available, or we sell it when it becomes to costly to repair........ Just to give you a taste of what I had to spend after I purchased three of my bikes, but I had known this getting into the deal, and the sellers acknowledged this by dropping their asking price! So, you will spend $1000.00 if the bike needs new wheel bearings, rotors, pads, and tires. Odds are that you will spend another $200.00 for a full service, which would include all fluids and filter changes. Then there is the possibility of fork seals leaking or never been serviced, a bad battery, oil dripping somewhere, maybe some electrical issues...... I guess you get my point. On average, I add around $1.5k to the purchase cost to a bike that I am buying without having seen it, to cover things that the bike probably needs.

Another thing that I like is how the bike visually presents itself. I like clean bikes, mostly stock unless the upgrades were done right. I just had the wheels on one of my yellow 97 powder coated and then rebuild with new bearings, tires, Brembo rotors and pads, at a cost of $1k. Some of the original powder coating was flaking off, and the brakes were original to the bike, and needed replacing. I'm actually working on getting this bike back together today or tomorrow. So talking about money.... I paid $3.5k for this 20k miles bike. The bike looked great when I bought her, but I knew that I would need to spend the money on the wheels, and the front tire fender was cracked, so there was another $400.00  The bikes right cylinder didn't fire, so I gambled a little when I was hoping that this was not a ECU module issue, which it was not, it turned out that the bike only needed to get some electronic connectors cleaned.

You stated that a yellow bike is the one that you would really like, so looking at my yellow 97, I will have approximately $5k in this bike when I'm done with her, which I like to think is a great value especially since this bike is almost as good as being a new bike now. This bike has no issues, and she came with a full Stainetune exhaust. I also like that this bike has the WC performance chip, and she still has the original air filter box.

I think that the bike that you are looking at is probably a good rider, and some people like that this bike looks like it had been ridden and used, but this is not me. And at $4k, unless it has a Stainetune exhaust and Keihin carbs.... I think it's a little steep. I also estimate that I would have around $7k in this bike, at a $4k purchase cost, before I had it the way that I would like to be in. But you also have to envision this bike looking almost new again after I would be done with it.

Not that it really matters, since sometimes you need to be at the right place and the right time when buying something, and it is getting harder to find a nice 95-97 1100 Sport by now.....

My blue 96 with 20k miles with a set of new Michelin's and a full Mistral exhaust was $1.5k, plus $600.00 to have her shipped to my home.
My silver 96 with 11k miles with a new set of Michelin's and newly powder coated wheels was $3.5k plus $400.00 shipping.
My red 97 with 7.2k miles museum bike was a local purchase for $5.2k. This bike came fully serviced, new tires, had a Mistral full exhaust, the WC performance chip, & polished aluminum.

Others were between $2.5k-$4.5k

Some bikes were perfect and I didn't spend any money on them after the purchase, and others needed between $1k-$2.5k Sometimes I spend money on items that are cosmetic issues only, like getting the wheels, valve covers, and crash bars on my yellow 97 powder coated... but that is just me....

So just be-careful when buying a bike from a stranger..... check it out, ride it, and get a good understanding on what this bike possibly needs, and what those costs could be. On the other hand, if you really like this bike, and you plan on keeping her forever, then buy it hopefully at a lower price, and get her to the way you see right for you. Only you can place a value on something that you like!

I know that I can't give short answers, but I hope that this helped a little, if you are still reading at this point!   

ps: This is the 97 which I bought also locally for $3.5k, and I spend an additional $1.5 k to get her right for me. I should have her back together with her new rebuild and powder coated rims, valve covers, and crash bars at the latest by tomorrow. This is an example of what is still out there to buy, if you see it before someone else does, at a reasonable cost.


















 

[ajpjive]

Thank you all for the input! I really appreciate the time and hearty write-ups!

I think for the time I will hold off and keep looking. Searchtempest is a wonderful thing, and I think I'd well prefer a bike closer to stock. Being right at the start of my search, it's very, very reassuring to hear that these bikes still come up for sale.

Thanks again everyone!
-Andy

[Chuck in Indiana]

it's very, very reassuring to hear that these bikes still come up for sale.

Don't wait too long. MedicAndy is cornering the market.. 

[Tusayan]

If I were looking for an 1100 Sport in the current market I'd buy the best one I could find - the difference in price does not justify buying a rough bike and restoring it.  If I owned the bike with the non-stock fairing, if possible I'd return it to stock fairing and bar configuration because it will sell faster.

[MedicAndy]

If I were looking for an 1100 Sport in the current market I'd buy the best one I could find - the difference in price does not justify buying a rough bike and restoring it.  If I owned the bike with the non-stock fairing, if possible I'd return it to stock fairing and bar configuration because it will sell faster.

I agree fully! I'm not sure if I would pay close to $10k that the Asheville NC guy wants for his yellow 97 with around 8k miles on the clock, but look who is talking, I just paid almost that much for my SF Nero 97! And you are right, the difference in price of a nice clean rider versus a restoration bike does not justify the purchase and the money needed of a restoration, unless the price was really low, and the bike had potential. But then again, there are less and less of them to go around, and one day they will all gone and locked away in someones collection...... 

[Turin]

That ones a bitsa IMO its got a daytona 1000 front end (forks brakes calipers whees , why they are white I suspect).

Daytona 1000 and carbie sport both have the same marzocchi forks. Is it much more likely that the rims were re painted / coated? I think so.
If it were closer to me, I'd be in trouble.

[Kristian]

Update: Here's the 4.2K-mile Sport I bought three weeks ago, the day I bought it. The tankbra was interesting--and off now.

[voncrump]

That ones a bitsa IMO its got a daytona 1000 front end (forks brakes calipers whees , why they are white I suspect). I'd be tempted to spend more and get a nicer one. It at the very least doesn't have the stock cross over and from memory the original cans were stainless lafraconis not some ali cans that look like the've been salvaged off a ducati. They also sat low enough for the pillion pegs to be useable.... kinda. Carbs in stock condition is not a selling point so it probably runs like a dog and has all the finesse of a regulator on a steam loco. Like I said keep looking unless you have a use for the parts.

Spot on, I would say that that black bike with the high bars has 300mm disc rotors. That makes the brakes early Daytona.
Cheers, voncrump

[Murray]

Daytona 1000 and carbie sport both have the same marzocchi forks. Is it much more likely that the rims were re painted / coated? I think so.
If it were closer to me, I'd be in trouble.

The daytona and 1100 sport had marzocchi forks true but the Daytona's were adjustable three ways where the sports were 6 way adjustable  compression on one side and rebound on the other as Marzocchi did things. The important bit IMO is the Daytona 1000 had 300mm disks where the 1100 sports had the much more common and still used to this day 320mm disks and the bike is fitted with those disks and callipers. This is what makes me think its a hacked together POS rather than owned by a sadist that thinks white wheels are a good idea on a motorcycle.

[arveno]

https://pittsburgh.craigslist.org/mcy/d/1996-moto-guzzi-1100-sport/6552774837.html

[Kristian]

But, and worse, it is no longer really a Sport 1100. The more collectible a vehicle becomes, the more important it is that it retains the essence of originality. This one would need considerable work to become a real Sport--front fairing, stay, and light, handlebars, and the correct forks and brakes.

If this thing is desirable, then a V11 Sport is a much better bet--they came from the factory with standard seating and no/small fairing, etc., plus a host of good upgrades.