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Boy am I po'ed! Just got back from an eight day trip to Virginia where we did day rides every day. Great roads but too much gravel on the back roads. Anyway, I removed the center stand while I was there to prevent any scraping. Four days into the trip I notice the bike leaning more and more to the left with the side stand down. Upon further inspection I notice the whole side stand complex swinging loose...real loose. One of the connecting bolts was GONE and the other one was half way out. The one that was half way out couldn't come out any farther because the pipe was preventing it. I couldn't get to that bolt to tighten it because of the pipe and I was not prepared to remove the pipe. The Norge has about 2200 miles on it. What really infuriates me is on my trip last year to New Hampshire the exact same thing happened on my '06 Breva with about 9k miles!! Johnny Monace repaired that problem but it took him several hous. Where is the quality control? I would think these bikes come to the dealer with the side stand already attached but I could be wrong. Believe me I'm going to write a letter to MG-USA to see what they say. My friends, who were with me last year, said if this happened to you twice it's happening to others as well. Has any one else had this problem? I'm taking the Norge to Jason Speakers where, I bought the bike, this Friday. Comments? Suggestions?
The sidestand and centerstand coming loose is a known issue. Loc tite is your friend.
Mike Bui had one come loose.Davy now pulls the left pipe and loctites both bolts as part of PDI.Easier than greasing rear wheel splines on Californias, which is part of our PDI as well.
Quote from: toddhaven on June 24, 2008, 11:19:08 AMMike Bui had one come loose.Davy now pulls the left pipe and loctites both bolts as part of PDI.Easier than greasing rear wheel splines on Californias, which is part of our PDI as well.I guess that is why this has not been a problem on my Norge. Thanks.
I figure the Norge's weight to say nothing of ... erm ... mine ... Bill
I have just ordered the Agostini pipes for my B1100 so loctiteing it up is high on my to-do list. This is not too cool.... I hope you do write to MG and if you want a signature to add to your letter let me know!
Quote from: joevacc on June 24, 2008, 02:31:48 PMI have just ordered the Agostini pipes for my B1100 so loctiteing it up is high on my to-do list. This is not too cool.... I hope you do write to MG and if you want a signature to add to your letter let me know!Loctite has a thread retaining fluid that will wick down the threads so there is no need to undo the bolt. I can't remember the number but it is very thin. You only need to get it to the thread join.
This problem has already been remedied on the manufacturing line by adding two washers,part No. 30217900, between the “side stand plate” and the above mentioned screws, and bymonitoring the tightening torque, which shall be of 80 Nm.Here is the table with the frame number of the first vehicles where the problem has beensolved.Model FRAME NUMBERBreva V850 ZGULPB0076M111485Breva V1100 ZGULP00046M114431Norge 1200 ZGULPH0116M111722You are thus kindly invited, upon pre-delivery or during routine maintenance operations, tocheck for the presence of the two washers - part No. 30217900, and the correct tighteningtorque ( 80 Nm) of the a.m. screws.Sam's Norge vin is M113296 1,574 bikes after the first one that was fixed on the line so I never thought anything about it being a problem.
Quote from: toddhaven on June 30, 2008, 07:45:38 PMKev,Got your e-mail.Buried today,bolt is 12 x 35 x 1.5No rush, I have a temporary fix.Get back to me in a couple of days or a week when you're unburied and I'll order it, plus I dunno, something else I need - maybe a spare set of front brake pads for the Breva or something else.Anyway, temporary fix was a 12 x 35 x (I could swear it was a 1.75 thread pitch not 1.5, but I could be wrong) bolt from Lowes.The bolt threaded up fine, HOWEVER, because the inner-diameter of that hole in the bracket is so small (this is the bolt that sits in that recessed bore/tube) there was no way to drive the bolt using a socket or other tool.So I grabbed the whizzer and cut a nice deep slot in the top for a large flat-head screwdriver, loctited it, and threaded it into place, VIOLA.Could be a permanent fix, but JUST IN CASE it loosens up in the future or more importantly, I want to replace it before it corrodes in place and won't let me loosen it in the future, I think I'll order that spare and swap them out. Hell, I can just keep this one on board in case some other poor shmo looses a bolt at a rallye or on the road.Kev
Kev,Got your e-mail.Buried today,bolt is 12 x 35 x 1.5
I stand corrected. Get the 1.75 thread it in by hand, go ride.
Quote from: toddhaven on July 06, 2008, 08:04:28 AMI stand corrected. Get the 1.75 thread it in by hand, go ride.Thanks ToddFound a source and have a pack ordered, will have extra,s Ill keep 2 extra's and the rest can be had for the mere pittance of request and no postage.Assuming I receive the bolts and there are usable.http://www.pointe-products.com/Items.asp?query=yes&Search=33-13193&x=34&y=15
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