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Re: Drifting off…
« Reply #30 on: January 26, 2023, 06:02:47 PM »
   The title is interesting.The subject is disappointing. I was hoping for something on extreme cornering.

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Re: Drifting off…
« Reply #31 on: January 26, 2023, 06:20:26 PM »
How is that relevant here?
Everything is relevant in a thread about thread drift.

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Re: Drifting off…
« Reply #32 on: January 26, 2023, 06:24:34 PM »
   The title is interesting.The subject is disappointing. I was hoping for something on extreme cornering.
Well mate don’t hope, start one.
As that great philosopher Ozzie Osborne once said…
“Take a far in dump in one hand and hope in the other, then see which one fills up first…”
But while I have you here…
This thread is to investigate the mechanics of thread drift, so to that end, what would you like to know about extreme cornering ?
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Re: Drifting off…
« Reply #33 on: January 26, 2023, 06:35:22 PM »
Everything is relevant in a thread about thread drift.

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Re: Drifting off…
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Re: Drifting off…
« Reply #34 on: January 26, 2023, 06:36:23 PM »
How is that relevant here?

Relevant is subjective, sometimes relative, but never objective.   :wink:
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Re: Drifting off…
« Reply #35 on: January 26, 2023, 06:37:08 PM »
    Been there, done that six decades ago. I was expecting a younger persons experience on contemporary rubber and suspensions.

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Re: Drifting off…
« Reply #36 on: January 26, 2023, 06:38:30 PM »

This could be the greatest thread of all time to tap into the awesome brain trust/think tank that is Wild Guzzi without getting limited by topic, accuracy, or facts!

Could be a wild ride.

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Re: Drifting off…
« Reply #37 on: January 26, 2023, 09:02:17 PM »
Well, it’s time to drag special relativity into this. Think about possible futures for a moment. If you are standing still, your possible futures are all around you, 360 degrees. Take a step and your possible future is influenced to be in that direction. As you go faster, your possible future becomes increasingly limited to that direction. As you approach the speed of light, deviation from that line become almost impossible and we get the curiosity of thread drift.
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Re: Drifting off…
« Reply #38 on: January 26, 2023, 09:26:03 PM »
   John A. Either your post is extremely philosophically deep and I don't understand a word or the cold up there has congealed your gray matter. When I think of "drift" I think of high speed cornering or ocean currents. The word "drift" in these postings is used as a substitute for "getting off subject".

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Re: Drifting off…
« Reply #39 on: January 26, 2023, 11:59:45 PM »
Well, it’s time to drag special relativity into this. Think about possible futures for a moment. If you are standing still, your possible futures are all around you, 360 degrees. Take a step and your possible future is influenced to be in that direction. As you go faster, your possible future becomes increasingly limited to that direction. As you approach the speed of light, deviation from that line become almost impossible and we get the curiosity of thread drift.
Winter gets long in the frozen hemisphere.
Yes.
I have long thought this is also true when on the bike. At very low speeds, you can be hit by many things that appear from the side..(Deer, rabbits, kangaroos, vehicles etc…)
But as you go faster, the chance of hitting something from the side becomes less, because anything that darts out from the side will not intersect your position before you have passed. It’s kind of like a triangle in front of you in the horizontal plane, with the apex at your front wheel and the base in the distance.
Your future lies in this triangle.
As you speed up, the base gets further away it also gets shorter, until at extreme speeds almost nothing can get you unless it’s virtually dead ahead.
It will end up being a straight line of diminishing width at the extreme.
Imagine moving down the road at 1000 km/h. It becomes almost impossible to be hit from the side, but equally impossible to miss anything that is on a collision course.
When you look at the road as you accelerate, this can be seen as the edges begin to blur at the point of expansion.
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Re: Drifting off…
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Re: Drifting off…
« Reply #41 on: January 27, 2023, 07:41:34 AM »
   John A. Either your post is extremely philosophically deep and I don't understand a word or the cold up there has congealed your gray matter. When I think of "drift" I think of high speed cornering or ocean currents. The word "drift" in these postings is used as a substitute for "getting off subject".
”Drift” is a motion experienced when the subject of that drift is being carried in the same direction as and with the same velocity, as the supporting medium.
In an aeroplane it’s the moving atmosphere (wind).
In a boat it’s the moving water mass (current)
Here at WG it’s the tide of popular or dominant mainstream opinion.

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Re: Drifting off…
« Reply #42 on: January 27, 2023, 07:51:51 AM »
Well, it’s time to drag special relativity into this. Think about possible futures for a moment. If you are standing still, your possible futures are all around you, 360 degrees. Take a step and your possible future is influenced to be in that direction. As you go faster, your possible future becomes increasingly limited to that direction. As you approach the speed of light, deviation from that line become almost impossible and we get the curiosity of thread drift.
Winter gets long in the frozen hemisphere.

Yes.
I have long thought this is also true when on the bike. At very low speeds, you can be hit by many things that appear from the side..(Deer, rabbits, kangaroos, vehicles etc…)
But as you go faster, the chance of hitting something from the side becomes less, because anything that darts out from the side will not intersect your position before you have passed. It’s kind of like a triangle in front of you in the horizontal plane, with the apex at your front wheel and the base in the distance.
Your future lies in this triangle.
As you speed up, the base gets further away it also gets shorter, until at extreme speeds almost nothing can get you unless it’s virtually dead ahead.
It will end up being a straight line of diminishing width at the extreme.
Imagine moving down the road at 1000 km/h. It becomes almost impossible to be hit from the side, but equally impossible to miss anything that is on a collision course.
When you look at the road as you accelerate, this can be seen as the edges begin to blur at the point of expansion.

See, if more people spent their living carving stone like me, things like this ^^^ wouldn’t seem so heady or esoteric.  It would just be the normal thing you do, day in day out.  In order to reach the proper point of the proper triangle, You always think about it because you always have to address it, deliberately and without mistake.

When you do it in the frozen world of VT in deep winter, you perceive ever more deeply.  Doing a big stone, when the whole world is frozen just as solid… very cool.  No pun intended.

It’s much more laid back out here in the real world.  Winter mud isn’t quite as inspirational.
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« Reply #43 on: January 27, 2023, 08:21:20 AM »
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« Reply #45 on: January 27, 2023, 09:51:42 AM »
20 years ago when I first found a Guzzi in boxes, I started the search for resources.  Finding that there was a MGNOC, a blog called WildGuzzi and Guzziology. 

I start reading post and find that these Guzzi Owners like eating, drinking, smoking, riding, fixing, arguing, camping and prefer corn oil in their rear end.  I was kinda reluctant to tag along with such a strange group of motorcycle enthusiast. The topic of camping and corn oil kept coming to the top on WildGuzzi.  I was invited to the Kentucky Rally camp out.  Showing up on the bike in the box, I did not know what to expect.  Setting my tent up far from the other campers in hopes that some cigar smoking Guzzista did not stumble to my tent with a bottle of corn oil. 

It was a slow progression into the Guzzi addiction.  Reaching the point that I decide to build my own Guzzi based on what I felt like is the best fit and style for me and the best of Guzzi parts.  I filtered 5 Guzzi's through the Man Cave since the first. 



In the end, it turned out to be a great week end and opportunity to meet many very good people. 








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Re: Drifting off…
« Reply #46 on: January 27, 2023, 12:16:55 PM »
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« Reply #47 on: January 27, 2023, 12:24:53 PM »
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Re: Drifting off…
« Reply #48 on: January 27, 2023, 12:38:06 PM »
   John A. Either your post is extremely philosophically deep and I don't understand a word or the cold up there has congealed your gray matter. When I think of "drift" I think of high speed cornering or ocean currents. The word "drift" in these postings is used as a substitute for "getting off subject".





It’s the congealment, I assure you  :grin:
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Re: Drifting off…
« Reply #49 on: January 29, 2023, 08:48:03 AM »
The Jay Leno thread was a typical example of drift.

It went from Jay getting clotheslined, to tales of posters getting clotheslined, to poster's opinions of the opinions posted previously by other posters at the drop of a hat!!!

A wonderful thing IMO, as long as none of us takes our own BS or perspectives tooooooo seriously.

I can't even remember 10% of the stories of me or my riding buddies falling off our motorcycles until I get together with riding buddies and we start BSing......

As long as no one gets killed, and the victim gets back on the "horse," the stories always turn humorous with time.  I suspect seeing the humor in a "tragedy" one's peers survives is a tribal cultural bonding ritual.  Maybe even keyed to survival of the fittest or honoring the bravest among us.

Is this a male character defect or a character defect of motorcyclists, aka "risk takers?"
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« Reply #50 on: January 29, 2023, 10:13:10 AM »
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Re: Drifting off…
« Reply #51 on: January 29, 2023, 11:04:58 AM »
What's wrong with Shinko tires and a throttle lock?
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« Reply #52 on: January 29, 2023, 11:10:04 AM »
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« Reply #53 on: January 29, 2023, 02:23:45 PM »
What's wrong with Shinko tires and a throttle lock?
Nothing.
As long as you don’t put them on your bike.

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« Reply #54 on: January 29, 2023, 05:42:57 PM »
Nothing.
As long as you don’t put them on your bike.

Could you be more specific, as to your negativity towards the Shinko brand?
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« Reply #55 on: January 29, 2023, 07:34:54 PM »
I'm curious about the Shinko negativity as well. They make so many tires of various quality and intended use that it's interesting that there's negativity toward the brand rather than a specific tire model. Some of their lineup even consists of designs/molds purchased off other brands.

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« Reply #56 on: January 29, 2023, 07:55:36 PM »
Could you be more specific, as to your negativity towards the Shinko brand?
Probably not, because I will be accused of bias against them due to their country of origin.
I cannot say that this is untrue, I may very well hold some reservations due to that alone, but it is not a function of the populous, more of deep seated prejudices against tyres that are not European or British.
Although having seen some of the reports on their poor(er) longevity, I’d like to think my disdain for them is based on something more centred around that.
Something I am sure of, is when I’m coming down a mountain road in the rain with leaves on the ground and am about to tip into a corner, only to realise that I have messed it up and am committed….
If the last thing I think of is not MICHELIN…MICHELIN…MICHELIN
But.
SHINKO…SHINKO…SHINKO
Then my lack of faith will cause ME to make an error for fear of losing control and I’ll probably crash anyway…
That would not be the fault of the tyre, but mine alone.
However.
I know that I just “feel” better on Michelins and I’ve never gotten less than 18,000 km and on one occasion 22,000 km from Pilot #3’s #4’s #5’s and #6’s.
I just cannot think of a reason to change.

Oh….and throttle locks ?
We all say that we only use them on long straight stretches where everything is safe and you can see over the curve of the Earth….blah blah blah…
But ONE DAY..!
You’re going to have the motherless thing clamped on, having had to disconnect it already 50 times and you’ll approach a nice…sweeping…right hand bend… :popcorn:
You feel the need to release it just to have command of the throttle, but you can see everything that matters and all is ok..
You’re almost home… :rolleyes:
Then half way ‘round the bend out from the right comes Old Mate on his John Deere and you’ve to INSTANTLY…! Get off the gas..
You WILL NOT release it quickly enough and if you’re lucky, (very lucky)…You might get the clutch in and wobble past him on the (for you in US) left, wildly off line and run off or have a head on with an approaching car.
We all know the time interval between a nicely judged entry into a corner and a complete train wreck.
Some part of a second…!
Farting around with an abomination like that…?
No thanks.
Plus they look like some aid from a nursing home.
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Re: Drifting off…
« Reply #57 on: January 29, 2023, 08:03:59 PM »


I always drift off after 2 of these
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Re: Drifting off…
« Reply #58 on: January 29, 2023, 08:09:42 PM »


I always drift off after 2 of these

I'm a beer, bourbon, oil, and tire snob..... Only set of Shinkos are the 705s on The Stornello. They are good for the price... Otherwise it is Dunlop Contis Michelin and Sometimes Metzler.... I do like Falkens on my four wheeled vehicles, but no Kendas or other no namers
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Re: Drifting off…
« Reply #59 on: January 29, 2023, 08:17:05 PM »
So the new V100 should be in Australia soon. :thumb:

 

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