V85 TT Merged Threadfest

[bpreynolds]

Ah that might explain the possibility why the classic could use multiple heated gears and not drain the battery.

My 15 stone wet alternator version is either gloves or vest

Yup.

430W is what they say

Just for comparison from the manuals:

Stelvio is 550W
Norge is 540W
V9 is 270W
V7iii is 268W
V7ii is 270W
V7 Classic is 350W<---????

Thanks for posting this.  If I recall correctly, my previous 1100 Calis were pretty limited as well.

[JohninVT]

They finally announced pricing.  $12,999 with side cases and top box. That’s $2-3,000 less than I thought it would be.  That’s very competitive.

[dxhall]

Are any US dealers taking deposits? 

[Perazzimx14]

Hopefully in 2 years when Guzzi releases the new updated V85TT-I (you know with bold new retro colors) they won't slash the retail price $3,000 to $4,000 to try to move NOS like they do with most other models.

[SLDMRossi]

Try Hamlin Cycles, in Bethel, Connecticut. Sells Moto Guzzi and Aprilia, only...

SR

[Sykestone8886]

Or try cadre cycle Cincinnati Oh. Exclusive guzzi dealer, and great crew to work with.

[lucian]

I'll Call Seacoast first thing Tuesday and get the low down.  Very interested in a test ride on this thing.
 

[BlueGoose]

https://www.af1racingaustin.com/2018-v85/

"Taking deposits now"

[Lcarlson]

This motorcycle looks really good, and I think it’s going to be a big success for MG. The reported pricing is competitive, and while they’re late to the middleweight ADV party, I believe they’re the only shaft drive model in the segment. I hope to see it at the NYC Moto show in two weeks, but am not counting on it. 

That said, there are a few flys in the ointment. First, weight. At a little over 500 lbs fueled, it’s almost 50 lbs Heavier than my GS, about the same as my open class R1150R. For a middleweight, that’s a little porky. Second, tube tires. Of course, I get why they’re using them because it’s marketed as as a dual sport. Speaking strictly for myself, though, I’m only interested in street riding, so would much prefer a tubeless option. Third, it doesn’t appear to have a stainless steel exhaust system. Covers over plain steel may cut it for cruisers, but anything else should have stainless. Those plain steel pipes are the first thing to rust, and when they do, they eventually deteriorate to the point where it’s almost impossible to remove them.

All in all, though, this looks like a much needed winner for Guzzi.

[leafman60]

... a few flys in the ointment. First, weight. At a little over 500 lbs fueled, it’s almost 50 lbs Heavier than my GS,

Well, let's see.  The F800GS has an advertised wet weight (curb) of 512 pounds and that's stripped of any bars, bags or aux lighting.

The R1200GS has an advertised weight of 525 pounds, again, stripped.

The 800GS and the 1200GS have now been replaced by the 850 and 1250 new models with similar weights. 

I wonder if the Guzzi 850 weight includes the bags etc as did the specs given for the Stelvio NTX.  This was a source of great misinformation for comparison of the GS and the Stelvio NTX.  People thought the GS was so much lighter than the Stelvio NTX but the BMW spec didn't include all the weight of the standard equipment that came stock with the Stelvio.

Sounds like the worst case is one where the new 850TT is about the same weight as the current BMW 800 series.  If the Guzzi weight includes bags etc, then the bike itself is actually lighter than an 800 GS.

[leafman60]

$12,999 sounds cheap.  I hope it's not a case of getting what you paid for. 

I sincerely hope quality control, connectors, wiring and other foibles are minimized on this Guzzi and typical "sorting out" is not required.

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[Lcarlson]

Well, let's see.  The F800GS has an advertised wet weight (curb) of 512 pounds and that's stripped of any bars, bags or aux lighting.

The R1200GS has an advertised weight of 525 pounds, again, stripped.

The 800GS and the 1200GS have now been replaced by the 850 and 1250 new models with similar weights. 

I wonder if the Guzzi 850 weight includes the bags etc as did the specs given for the Stelvio NTX.  This was a source of great misinformation for comparison of the GS and the Stelvio NTX.  People thought the GS was so much lighter than the Stelvio NTX but the BMW spec didn't include all the weight of the standard equipment that came stock with the Stelvio.

Sounds like the worst case is one where the new 850TT is about the same weight as the current BMW 800 series.  If the Guzzi weight includes bags etc, then i
s actually lighter than a 800 GS.

Good points. My GS is the F700GS, 410 lbs dry, 461 lbs fully fueled, no bags. It’s also true that the new BMW F series bikes are substantially heavier than mine, so the Guzzi won’t be at a significant weight disadvantage. In a middleweight, though, light is good. I’m sorry to see these bikes getting heavier.

[rocker59]

I'm bummed about the tube-type wheels.  I ride mostly pavement, and some gravel roads.  I'd much prefer tubeless for plug-and-go convenience when I pick up a nail...

Some of the test mules had Alpina tubeless spokes.  I guess they didn't make production due to cost considerations.

They've really dropped the ball if they don't come up with a tubeless wheel option.  Even if it's a cast wheel...

[Luap McKeever]

I'm bummed about the tube-type wheels.  I ride mostly pavement, and some gravel roads.  I'd much prefer tubeless for plug-and-go convenience when I pick up a nail...

Some of the test mules had Alpina tubeless spokes.  I guess they didn't make production due to cost considerations.

They've really dropped the ball if they don't come up with a tubeless wheel option.  Even if it's a cast wheel...

Ditto. To me, putting tubed wheels on any motorcycle is like putting racing slicks on a mudding truck. It makes no sense.  It can't cost that much to seal the nipples for Pete's sake. But, when I get one of these, I'll seal them off myself.

[pete roper]

'Moto Guzzi. Spoiling the ship for a ha'porth of tar since, well, a long time now'!

Piaggio claim to want to build something spectacular. Then they deliver a 2 valve 'Turd in a Tu-Tu', lie about its performance, stick it in a chassis with cheap, bargain basement, suspension design, fling on a set of the cheapest wheels imaginable and then pray it will appeal to some huge, untapped, market of non motorbike riders who will then rush out and buy it!

Good grief!

[Perazzimx14]

'Moto Guzzi. Spoiling the ship for a ha'porth of tar since, well, a long time now'!

Piaggio claim to want to build something spectacular. Then they deliver a 2 valve 'Turd in a Tu-Tu', lie about its performance, stick it in a chassis with cheap, bargain basement, suspension design, fling on a set of the cheapest wheels imaginable and then pray it will appeal to some huge, untapped, market of non motorbike riders who will then rush out and buy it!

Good grief!

The 2 valve doesn't disappoint me as much as the other stuff you mention. In short order folks like Todd at Guzzi Tech will offer exhausts, suspension and tubeless wheels to help combat the ill from the factory. So it'll only take another $10,000 to get the exhaust, wheels and suspension sorted. But since the bike is priced so reasonably at $12,999 what's another $10,000

And that gawd awful yellow and red color combination look like offering from the McDonalds value menu!





Da, da, da, dat,....da...…..I'm not loving it!

 

[leafman60]

You think we have any "nattering nabobs of negativism" here?  lol

IMHO Guzzi has made a noble effort with the V85TT.  I think this is the then-upcoming bike that the factory manager talked about to me some 4 years ago.

If they get the "little stuff" right with it, make it dependable and not needing sorting out-of-the-box then they will have a winner in my eyes. I even kinda like the yellow/white color scheme.

The tube-type tires are not an issue for me.  I've had/have several such modern bikes and it's been a non-issue.  I simply run a tire sealer (Slime etc) inside the tubes.  I have never experienced a flat doing that.

My little BMW G650XCo had tube type tires and I never regretted them.

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[JohninVT]

Nothing about Guzzi is cutting edge.  If you want to bitch and moan about traditional or conservative design from Guzzi then you own the wrong motorcycle.  Buy an Aprilia or KTM. 

The bike is obviously benchmarked against the Tiger and GS800.  The suspension, brakes and other components are comparable.  Pricing is comparable.  Weight and power is comparable though the Tiger obviously has 10-15 hp more. 

You can seal the wheels for $10 with 3M tape.  I’d be surprised if they don’t copy Triumph by having a cast wheel option for 500-1,000 less. 

[Huzo]

Couldn't care less about the tube rims.
I'll get two polished Behr rims (again), bore them and use sealed nipples and we're away..
Simples..!

[twowheeladdict]

I will likely take a test ride if available.  I am thinking right now though that the gap in my stable could be filled by a Versys 300X, but I may wait for a Versys 400X since they now have the Ninja 400 and Z400 bikes available in the states. 

[Buddy Shagmore]

They had one at the Long Beach Motoshow. It looks good in person.

[giusto]

I've been really interested all along...have my name on pre order lists...but will not plunk down the cash until I ride one...It'll be interesting to see how long it takes to get out through the dealerships and hopefully those will represent the manufacturer well by having demo opportunities.

Really not sure why anyone would buy a bike like this if they didn't plan to take it off pavement. To a Michigan rider it opens up over 43,000  miles of riding opportunity. As mentioned in other thread there will certainly be road/touring versions to follow. 

[Cam3512]

They had one at the Long Beach Motoshow. It looks good in person.

Umm, care to expand on that Shaggy?

[kingoffleece]

The 2 valve doesn't disappoint me as much as the other stuff you mention. In short order folks like Todd at Guzzi Tech will offer exhausts, suspension and tubeless wheels to help combat the ill from the factory. So it'll only take another $10,000 to get the exhaust, wheels and suspension sorted. But since the bike is priced so reasonably at $12,999 what's another $10,000

And that gawd awful yellow and red color combination look like offering from the McDonalds value menu!





Agreed.  But, how many bikes are there there DON'T need a lot of this stuff in this price range?  Maybe KTM, but that's not in my personal wheelhouse.

Da, da, da, dat,....da...…..I'm not loving it!

 

[Idontwantapickle]

So it's 12,999 and people moan about the tubes and other details. If it had all that stuff you'd just complain that it cost too much.
Guzzi has built a middle weight ADV. Be happy that Piaggio puts in the effort. Left to Aprillia Guzzi might well be gone by now!
Hunter

[Denis]

I like the red/white/yellow paint job.
Regarding the other stuff, I've logged tens of thousands of miles on my bikes with tube tires and have never had problem.
Other bikes may have more horsepower but big deal. The Guzzi will have a torque advantage, which has always been a benefit they've had.
I think at the projected $12,999 it looks like a great deal.

[JohninVT]

So it's 12,999 and people moan about the tubes and other details. If it had all that stuff you'd just complain that it cost too much.
Guzzi has built a middle weight ADV. Be happy that Piaggio puts in the effort. Left to Aprillia Guzzi might well be gone by now!
Hunter

Exactly.  Additionally, it would cost at least $1,500 to install the bags, top case and mounts that come standard.  13k for the bike with the current spec. and features is extremely good for a handmade, eye-talian motor sickle. 

[Cam3512]

Jim Hamlin (Hamlin Cycles) just confirmed.

$12,990 with bags
$11,990 without

Guzzi recently sent him the pricing info.

[Tusayan]

I think the price may be about $1K high to be competitive but a lot hinges on how well the bike works.  With no reactive linkage on the rear suspension and small block power, it could be a dog.  Or if those issues have been carefully massaged it could be a great bike that fills in the market gap created by ever increasing complexity and size of road going competitors. 

[DaSwami]

Not my cup of tea but good for Guzzi!!  Price, specs, intangibles, all seem to be very very reasonable and well thought out.  Time for the talking heads here to put up or shut up.  Is this a forum for Guzzi enthusiasts or a bunch of whiny old men that wear Guzzi T-shirts cuz "they were riding Guzzi when Guzzi wasn't cool" ????