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Title: This subject must continue. UFO related
Post by: Ncdan on June 06, 2021, 06:13:49 AM

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I really donít want want to bring grief to our great moderators however after reading this report on the national news I came the this conclusion.
There are things going on that cannot be explained away by any ďexplanation of reasonable scienceĒ as many want to insist, including myself at one point. Itís should be obvious by now due to all the creditable people from every aspect of our nationís leadership from the military to the halls of congress all the way to the sitting presidents of both parties, that for national security reasons, answers must be answered and scientific explanations are starting to be demanded by the entire world.
I for one would like to hear what ďwe the forum membersĒ have to say as I feel the later post was prematurely ended before everyoneís voice was heard in its entirety.
Letís all keep our emotions, frustrations and tempers at bay and see where it goes.
Remember, the moderators have a job to do and have proven their ability to keep us from straying to far from the rules, letís show them the upmost respect.
I will not be offended if this gets nuked from the get go but this report from one of our nationís leaders this morning pushed me over the edge.
Letís do this.
Title: Re: This subject must to continue. UFO related
Post by: SIR REAL ED on June 06, 2021, 07:22:07 AM

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cough emojis (https://emoticoncentral.com/category/cough)

I really donít want want to bring grief to our great moderators however after reading this report on the national news I came the this conclusion.
There are things going on that cannot be explained away by any ďexplanation of reasonable scienceĒ as many want to insist, including myself at one point. Itís should be obvious by now due to all the creditable people from every aspect of our nationís leadership from the military to the halls of congress all the way to the sitting presidents of both parties, that for national security reasons, answers must be answered and scientific explanations are starting to be demanded by the entire world.
I for one would like to hear what ďwe the forum membersĒ have to say as I feel the later post was prematurely ended before everyoneís voice was heard in its entirety.
Letís all keep our emotions, frustrations and tempers at bay and see where it goes.
Remember, the moderators have a job to do and have proven their ability to keep us from straying to far from the rules, letís show them the upmost respect.
I will not be offended if this gets nuked from the get go but this report from one of our nationís leaders this morning pushed me over the edge.
Letís do this.

Amen.  An endlessly fascinating subject IMSMO, one that everyone should be able to enjoy, if they can keep their emotions in check!

Especially if we all keep in mind that aliens/UFO's/UAP's are like inkblots.  Mine are the best!

A friend has the following sign at the entrance to his dojo "Check your egos at the door!"

ASAP I'll get a couple links a friend recommended posted.
Title: Re: This subject must to continue. UFO related
Post by: tazio on June 06, 2021, 08:10:09 AM
In homage, I will ride the GRISO this afternoon, darting here and there, the public getting brief glimpses during a fly-by ..as I believe WE, as riders, are the aliens of the motorcycling world .
-and our Moto-Guzzi's? the UFO's of course. :thumb:
Do they still exist? Did they ever? My friend had an uncle, I think, said he saw one back in the '70's..
What are they and what can they possibly want? Never seen where they come from, and I hear getting parts can take light years..
Title: Re: This subject must to continue. UFO related
Post by: Bulldog9 on June 06, 2021, 08:21:44 AM
Glad it is back, and please, let's have some fun with it.....
 
IMNSHO, When Bigfoot Steps off a Flying Saucer in full view of the National Media and links Arms with whatever National/International Leader at that time, he will have a bunch of Cicadas perched as pets on his shoulders. I mean, it has to be, because the sound those things make are almost identical to a sustained Phaser Blast from the Starship Enterprise......... ..  :drool:

All kidding aside, no one knows, but as science shows weekly, there is more we do not know, or are wrong in our assumptions than we know. Even settled science gets turned on it's ear by measurable fact. Until then, we need to remain open minded and humble.
Title: Re: This subject must continue. UFO related
Post by: Chuck in Indiana on June 06, 2021, 08:29:07 AM
I think it is interesting that pre 2001, I saw a small sphere while flying Mouser. I'd never heard of such a "UFO" then, but I see on the news that Navy ships have seen the same type of object.
Title: Re: This subject must continue. UFO related
Post by: Vagrant on June 06, 2021, 08:35:38 AM
The ant crossing highway 60 North bound out of Suches Ga says to the snapping turtle doing the same, Damm! Did you see that blue UFO fly by? Turtle says, "I'm sure it said V7III on the side"!
Title: Re: This subject must continue. UFO related
Post by: willowstreetguzziguy on June 06, 2021, 08:45:48 AM
This might be like the           child

who thought they were an only child
and the the center of the universe

only to find out theyíre  not!
Title: Re: This subject must continue. UFO related
Post by: cliffrod on June 06, 2021, 08:50:09 AM
My Unlce Norman was the oddball and somewhat crazy uncle of my world.  But he was well educated and was a veteran who participated in the Berlin Airlift. After retiring to NM, He spent 20 yrs volunteering at the UFO Museum in Roswell.  He was absolutely convinced that something actually happened in Roswell in 1947.  He had no clear, definitive explanation or proof beyond the immediate and glaring void in records deliberately created by the US Govt around all things related to that reported event.  If nothing happened, nothing like that would need to subsequently happen.   

I have no proof, but find the Roswell book by Randle equally compelling.  There is nothing sensational or irrational in that book.  After spending several years protesting the outsourcing of the MLK National Memorial, extensive investigation and research of the involved players, cover-up at all levels, resulting 9 month DOI-OIG federal investigation & 18 months of FoIA requests and much more, the Randle book presents a very plausible case.   When the govt and people in charge say "there's nothing to see here- move along..", there's a reason they don't want you to see or know what they're doing & that means they're doing something of significance.

It's more rational imho that there is some element of ET origins or time travel allowing visits from future humans than to think a contemporary earthly peer can do such things and maintain absolute secrecy for so many decades.  Such perfect secrecy by numerous humans working together is much harder for me to believe.

Next...
Title: Re: This subject must continue. UFO related
Post by: SIR REAL ED on June 06, 2021, 08:53:55 AM
This might be like the           child

who thought they were an only child
and the the center of the universe

only to find out theyíre  not!

amen.  the other analogy is the snail I was talking to the other day "knows" it is impossible for me or anyone to travel at 60 mph!!!!!

The observer uses the word "unidentified" while not non-observer is certain of what they did not see.

Hmmmmm...... the basis for disagreement is.... what exactly?
Title: Re: This subject must continue. UFO related
Post by: oldbike54 on June 06, 2021, 09:23:00 AM
 The report makes no revelations fellas , sorry . Please read what it actually says , and understand that we will need to adhere to what it does say and not what we might want it to say . Any photographer can blow holes in the supposed proof . Thanks

 Dusty
Title: Re: This subject must continue. UFO related
Post by: LowRyter on June 06, 2021, 10:23:11 AM
photographers can blow holes in what?

I think Dusty's throwing the nuclear football around. 

over and out
Title: Re: This subject must continue. UFO related
Post by: Ncdan on June 06, 2021, 10:41:10 AM
Ok guys, letís ALL remember one thing, so we can continue this conversation in peace and harmony. Just because we disagree with anotherís take does not mean we have to respond negativity, just let them have their say and opinion without a counter punch.
I really enjoyed the last thread on this subject and I believe a lot of us did. This is the campfire discussion that we are encouraged to have.
At any point this gets out of hand a moderator wonít have to end it, as I will willing on my own.
Continue please.
Title: Re: This subject must continue. UFO related
Post by: wavedog on June 06, 2021, 10:52:36 AM
 
  Two things : 1) as we know, UFO's are not necessarily extra terrestrial in origin.
 
    2) most important- Truth does not come from authority.
Title: Re: This subject must continue. UFO related
Post by: oldbike54 on June 06, 2021, 11:06:40 AM
 You boys have at it , I no longer care .

 Dusty
Title: Re: This subject must continue. UFO related
Post by: SIR REAL ED on June 06, 2021, 11:13:30 AM
 
  Two things : 1) as we know, UFO's are not necessarily extra terrestrial in origin.
 
    2) most important- Truth does not come from authority.
Ttrue on both counts.  The same govt agencies that are now talking about UFO's admit they have been denying their awareness of the same for 70 years.  Should one believe what they said for the last few decades, or what they are saying today?

Like some parents used to say to their child they caught lying. "You claim you are not lying now, but, since I know that you have lied to me in the past, why should I believe you now?"

It would be interesting to know if snails are cognizant of the existence of butterflies.

Fascinating subject on it's own merits, doubly fascinating when we each add our preferred perspective with which we are comfortable.

 :grin:
Title: Re: This subject must continue. UFO related
Post by: bad Chad on June 06, 2021, 12:06:10 PM
I never even looked at the original UFO thread, this new thread if confirmation I made the right choice.
Title: Re: This subject must continue. UFO related
Post by: Ncdan on June 06, 2021, 04:55:55 PM
I never even looked at the original UFO thread, this new thread if confirmation I made the right choice.
Thatís the very reason we all have the option to only click on the threads we think may be of interest to us as individuals. However, in my opinion it was 28 pages of mostly just good ole campfire type conversation. That towards the end the drinks took control 😂
Hang in here for a while and see where it goes, you may enjoy it.
Title: Re: This subject must continue. UFO related
Post by: ozarquebus on June 06, 2021, 05:01:17 PM
 Seems like every opinion imaginable has been aired, then repeated at least once in the original forum. Opinions appear to be unmoved in spite of large volume of additional circumstantial, inconclusive, vague and anecdotal evidence. Like the worldwide UFO topic, the argument does not contain that darn smoking gun. Additionally, the conceptual leap from 'confirmed Unidentified Flying Object = proof of alien existence' remains the default for most believers.     

 Skeptics continue to use the same rebuttals. It would be nice if the thread went someplace besides in circles. Contributors to the thread float in and out while principal players remain. The realm of absurdity has been officially entered, certainly now, if not at a much earlier point.
 Nevertheless, I must admit I have been receiving some strange transmissions on the 40m ham radio band in the wee hours of the morning. I believe the sound is a homing beacon for alien spacecraft to land in Chile as part of the Friendship Ufololgy movement in Southern Chile. Here is a description of Chilean UFOLOgists' activities which is along the lines of my theory of interdimensional projections caused by collective mental stress, with shades of the MATRIX.
" a long-standing amateur radio relationship, between a radioaficcionado in Santiago, Chile and a station in the Chilean south called "Friendship", became a cornerstone for the Chilean ufology movement and its detractors. One of the ways I will be understanding the "Friendship effect" is by attending to a "performative understanding of technoscientific" (Barad, 2007: 90) practices, especially ones related to the radio and to auditory sensations. I will be exploring Baradīs notion of "diffraction" whereby "subject and object do not preexist as such, but emerge through intra-actions" (2007: 89). We could think of this diffraction, or interference, of radio signals and messages in non-representational ways; ways that do not assume the "object" out there, but reconstruct it, phenomenally, auditively, in the continual moment of occurrence and also in the after-fact, and importantly, collectively. Media images, newspaper coverage, and social media all contribute to these diffractions and to the construction of the "object" in question (in this case the "aliens" assumed to be living in Chiloť, and a strange craft in the sky that made its appearance in Santiago in 1985). I argue that in this case, media and technologies intermingle with the sensory and affective dispositions of users, creating certain atmospheres across ontological thresholds; more importantly, they exhibit a vitality that overruns their material properties and enmeshes with the ontological specifics of the lives of their users, participating directly in the generation of a so-called "reality".
 Here is some additional proof of alien existence:
https://www.sacbee.com/news/nation-world/national/article125650839.html
Title: Re: This subject must continue. UFO related
Post by: John A on June 06, 2021, 05:14:46 PM
Lockheed Martin skunkworks made some of them.
Title: Re: This subject must continue. UFO related
Post by: Huzo on June 06, 2021, 05:21:13 PM
Ttrue on both counts.  The same govt agencies that are now talking about UFO's admit they have been denying their awareness of the same for 70 years.  Should one believe what they said for the last few decades, or what they are saying today?

Like some parents used to say to their child they caught lying. "You claim you are not lying now, but, since I know that you have lied to me in the past, why should I believe you now?"
Why ?
Because Iíve also told you the truth in the past..
Also.
If an ET arrived here and wanted to ď give us a message...Ē
Wouldnít that same ET just land and...GIVE US A MESSAGE...?
I mean, if he got out and scratched it in the dirt, wouldnít that get our attention ?
Title: Re: This subject must continue. UFO related
Post by: tazio on June 06, 2021, 06:05:29 PM
Lockheed Martin skunkworks made some of them.
Brother, you have no idea.. :cool:
Title: Re: This subject must continue. UFO related
Post by: Kiwi_Roy on June 06, 2021, 06:15:07 PM
Seems like every opinion imaginable has been aired, then repeated at least once in the original forum. Opinions appear to be unmoved in spite of large volume of a
I watched the video supposedly taken by the navy pilots when it was shown on TV
All I can say the motions of the unknown object were remarkably like the motions of a fly on a window, going back and forth over the same spot, spinning on the spot etc, why would a flying object do that sort of thing?
Title: Re: This subject must continue. UFO related
Post by: SIR REAL ED on June 06, 2021, 07:10:09 PM
Thatís the very reason we all have the option to only click on the threads we think may be of interest to us as individuals. However, in my opinion it was 28 pages of mostly just good ole campfire type conversation. That towards the end the drinks took control 😂
Hang in here for a while and see where it goes, you may enjoy it.

Well said.  Of all the subjects to take seriously.......
Title: Re: This subject must continue. UFO related
Post by: SIR REAL ED on June 06, 2021, 07:32:22 PM
Why ?
Because Iíve also told you the truth in the past..
Also.
If an ET arrived here and wanted to ď give us a message...Ē
Wouldnít that same ET just land and...GIVE US A MESSAGE...?
I mean, if he got out and scratched it in the dirt, wouldnít that get our attention ?

That's at least half the fun of this discussion, to me at least.

From my observations, separating the preferred mental gymnastics of the receiver/believer from the event/observation seems near impossible.  Very similar to the "my religion is the true one!"  Our own personal experience colors all.

The "authority" (US Government) that some have taken as gospel their whole lives, has now come out and admitted it was lying since 1950.  For some this will be like finding out their pastor/preist never believed anything they preached their whole lives, and for others it will not affect the credibility of past observations.  Preferential beliefs abound.  We all pick the ones we like and disregard the rest.

Or to put it in personal terms, on your 70th birthday, the woman you have called Mom since birth announces not only is she not your mother, but that she used to be a man!!!  Would any of us care, or would we decide "I'm just gonna keep thinking the way I used to.  Life is good as it is!"

I'm always fascinated by the idea that if the ET's are here that they would be interested in communicating with us and that one of their goals would be to convince us that they exist by offering "proof."

If they exist, and are much more technologically advanced than us, would they even care about what we think?  Could we even perceive them?  I can't remember the last time I tried to convince an insect of my existence.  In my experience, mosquitos don't care what kind of oil I'm running in any of my vehicles.

If they found out some of our motorcycles manufacturers don't put grease in the bearings, would they still EVEN consider us an advanced or intelligent species?

Pass me a another bottle of Malt Duck!

Title: Re: This subject must continue. UFO related
Post by: Ncdan on June 06, 2021, 09:29:19 PM
Iím thinking a little different about this than some here.
I do believe that there is something that has yet to be explained, to we the people, anyhow. I do believe what people are witnessing can be explained by the science that we, mankind, has at our disposal. At this point I donít really believe that itís extra terrestrial from a far away Galaxy. I donít believe it can all be explained away as radar glitches, light shows or frying pans videotaped on a clothes line. I donít believe it can be explained away by religious doctrine or any other form of culture beliefs from the Mayans or the Incas or any other ancient civilization.
I believe is our laws of physics and scientific data.
This being said, the entire world has been talking about this Phenomenon for centuries now with no actual proof of anything.
No wonder conspiracy theories are running rapid. However letís try and keep those at bay during this discussion.

Title: Re: This subject must continue. UFO related
Post by: SIR REAL ED on June 07, 2021, 05:02:57 AM
Iím thinking a little different about this than some here.
I do believe that there is something that has yet to be explained, to we the people, anyhow. I do believe what people are witnessing can be explained by the science that we, mankind, has at our disposal. At this point I donít really believe that itís extra terrestrial from a far away Galaxy. I donít believe it can all be explained away as radar glitches, light shows or frying pans videotaped on a clothes line. I donít believe it can be explained away by religious doctrine or any other form of culture beliefs from the Mayans or the Incas or any other ancient civilization.
I believe is our laws of physics and scientific data.
This being said, the entire world has been talking about this Phenomenon for centuries now with no actual proof of anything.
No wonder conspiracy theories are running rapid. However letís try and keep those at bay during this discussion.

Yep to all of the above.

Anyone who has ever had enough interest in this subject to look into it, has discovered that every possible explanation one can imagine has already been offered.  Now that the internet exists, one can find any aspect of reality imaginable.

It is like the parable of the four blind men touching the elephant multipled by a couple billion.

As the title of your original post said "this subject must continue."  No doubt it will, long after all of us are dead and cold. 

It is like the ultimate oil thread!   :wink:

I appreciate all who play!!!!!!   :grin:

Title: Re: This subject must continue. UFO related
Post by: ozarquebus on June 07, 2021, 07:35:55 AM
The proof just keeps rollin' in.

(https://i.ibb.co/nR51SR7/Alien-vs-Predator-via-Viral-Hog-on-You-Tube.jpg) (https://ibb.co/nR51SR7)


And you may need one of these, just in case.
https://www.amazon.com/ALIEN-GUARDIAN-gremlin-harley-motorcycle/dp/B01LZIRVSE

(https://i.ibb.co/56Dmfhj/aacc.jpg) (https://ibb.co/56Dmfhj)
Title: Re: This subject must continue. UFO related
Post by: Huzo on June 07, 2021, 08:59:46 AM
That footage from the Navy pilot was as doctored as you could imagine.
The bogey was on a fixed point on the screen and did not move as the a/c moved in the normal flight axes.
If it was real, the anomaly would be moving within the frame of reference, since it has no mechanical connection to the plane.
Title: Re: This subject must continue. UFO related
Post by: dirtiegirtie on June 07, 2021, 01:18:16 PM
I believe in ET life. I'm now about 85% sure my mother in law is from another planet... I just need a little more proof...
Title: Re: This subject must continue. UFO related
Post by: Zenermaniac on June 07, 2021, 05:41:29 PM
Maybe some of them are not ships but energy life forms that live in our upper atmosphere.
Title: Re: This subject must continue. UFO related
Post by: Huzo on June 07, 2021, 05:48:25 PM
Maybe some of them are not ships but energy life forms that live in our upper atmosphere.
Please guys...
Title: Re: This subject must continue. UFO related
Post by: SIR REAL ED on June 08, 2021, 05:10:10 AM
Maybe some of them are not ships but energy life forms that live in our upper atmosphere.

THAT is excellent campfire speculation!  Past generations may have assumed angels or demons or a sign from the gods.

I heard a bit of this last night:

https://www.coasttocoastam.com/show/2021-06-07-show/

https://theweichertreport.wordpress.com


Title: Re: This subject must continue. UFO related
Post by: cliffrod on June 08, 2021, 06:57:25 AM
Great leaps or grand speculation don't make much sense to me.  Most things based in reality are less sensational, even to the point of boring once the veil is lifted.

In recent human history, knowledge we take for granted now was either unknown or grossly misunderstood- atoms & molecules, gravity, aerodynamics, electricity, radio waves and so many other things.    Currently, we still have no clear understanding of time including what composes it and how it functions related to objects and movement.  We all experience time and know something related to what we call time exists.  Some theory exists, but there is nothing significantly actionable or of practical application.

Someday we will know more, likely as the accrual of many small pieces of knowledge & achievements.  At that point, manipulation of time and all things related may be feasible under the right conditions.   Maybe there is a knowledge of such things already in human hands and it is being kept under absolute secrecy.  That's hard for me to imagine, but may be the case.  It isn't hard to imagine the chaos and destruction that would likely be caused by countless selfish & irresponsible people if they had the same knowledge. 
Title: Re: This subject must continue. UFO related
Post by: larrys on June 08, 2021, 08:38:03 AM
Unfortunately none of us will be alive when Zefram Cochran launches the first warp drive ship from Earth, and the Vulcans show up to check us out...
Larry
Title: Re: This subject must continue. UFO related
Post by: ScepticalScotty on June 08, 2021, 11:36:13 AM
Life forms in the upper atmosphere? That would be the excellent SF short story "Goldfish Bowl".
Title: Re: This subject must continue. UFO related
Post by: cloudbase on June 08, 2021, 12:01:58 PM
THAT is excellent campfire speculation!  Past generations may have assumed angels or demons or a sign from the gods.

There was a time when lightning, earthquakes, and volcanoes were considered by primitive man to be signs of the wrath of some deity or another.  As man's knowledge increased, we learned what caused these things, and so much more.  The "god of the gaps" fallacy works to fill in that which we don't understand with some divine, or, in this case, extraterrestrial, cause for that which we don't have a full understanding of.
As science has expanded our knowledge of our world, there is less of a need to provide a deity to fill in our knowledge gaps.

It's okay to say "I don't know."
Title: Re: This subject must continue. UFO related
Post by: ozarquebus on June 08, 2021, 07:33:00 PM
I peer up into the night skies looking for and longing to see UFOs. I get more powerful flashlights and shine them into the night sky trying to signal to UFOs when camping in forlorn isolation. I try to investigate phantom transmissions on the shortwave. I want to BELIEVE!

As long as we are re-rehashing the dead thread's conversations, I too will refresh a couple of the previously described topics.

 LOGICAL REASONING vs Flawed Logical Fallacies

To observe something that has been invented that was once thought to be impossible does not mean everything we think is impossible now will eventually be achieved.
 
That is an example of flawed logic.

for example...

Tesla and others believed that we could transmit power efficiently through the Earth's atmosphere. That one turns out to be lastingly impossible since it has been over a hundred years of progress in the field since then.

Alchemists believed they could turn lead into gold. That one has turned out to be a 1000 year tuffy.

For example, Aurora Borealis, once unexplainable and thought to be magical or devine, turned out to be electromagnetic waves. If we apply same sound logic to UFOs. then they will be a terrestrial phenomena.
 There is no valid logic, or precedent, in claiming UFOs are aliens since all the success we have in solving unexplained phenomena has been through known processes.

 To claim that it is statistically probable that there are aliens out there is not even 51% proof of alien existence.

We all know military pilots are a pretty reality-based, well informed and almost universally logical in their reasoning. They are saying there are real things out there and that has been deemed true by the mainstream.  The latest interviews with Military pilots have revealed they have a sensible approach as to the three likeliest explanations in order of likelihood.
1. Our own secret developments
2. Secret Spying devices from adversarial countries.
3. extraterrestrial/God

Based on evidence, The Second Coming and/or human self-destruction has more validity and likelihood than extraterrestrial beings visiting Earth and is probably on an earlier schedule.


Uh oh, wait...I think I see something strange out the window

Title: Re: This subject must continue. UFO related
Post by: LowRyter on June 08, 2021, 08:09:58 PM
I peer up into the night skies looking for and longing to see UFOs. I get more powerful flashlights and shine them into the night sky trying to signal to UFOs when camping in forlorn isolation. I try to investigate phantom transmissions on the shortwave. I want to BELIEVE!

As long as we are re-rehashing the dead thread's conversations, I too will refresh a couple of the previously described topics.

 LOGICAL REASONING vs Flawed Logical Fallacies

To observe something that has been invented that was once thought to be impossible does not mean everything we think is impossible now will eventually be achieved.
 
That is an example of flawed logic.

for example...

Tesla and others believed that we could transmit power efficiently through the Earth's atmosphere. That one turns out to be lastingly impossible since it has been over a hundred years of progress in the field since then.

Alchemists believed they could turn lead into gold. That one has turned out to be a 1000 year tuffy.

For example, Aurora Borealis, once unexplainable and thought to be magical or devine, turned out to be electromagnetic waves. If we apply same sound logic to UFOs. then they will be a terrestrial phenomena.
 There is no valid logic, or precedent, in claiming UFOs are aliens since all the success we have in solving unexplained phenomena has been through known processes.

 To claim that it is statistically probable that there are aliens out there is not even 51% proof of alien existence.

We all know military pilots are a pretty reality-based, well informed and almost universally logical in their reasoning. They are saying there are real things out there and that has been deemed true by the mainstream.  The latest interviews with Military pilots have revealed they have a sensible approach as to the three likeliest explanations in order of likelihood.
1. Our own secret developments
2. Secret Spying devices from adversarial countries.
3. extraterrestrial/God

Based on evidence, The Second Coming and/or human self-destruction has more validity and likelihood than extraterrestrial beings visiting Earth and is probably on an earlier schedule.


Uh oh, wait...I think I see something strange out the window

You missed the greatest sight at Cedar Vale.   Best anyone will ever see: Elon's satellites.

60 satellites  marching in a row from horizon to horizon for 5 minutes.
Title: Re: This subject must continue. UFO related
Post by: ozarquebus on June 08, 2021, 08:41:17 PM
Unfortunately I was under the gazebo when they flew over and missed them.
Title: Re: This subject must continue. UFO related
Post by: LowRyter on June 08, 2021, 09:25:35 PM
Unfortunately I was under the gazebo when they flew over and missed them.
my point exactly.  the most specular exhibition ever seen

seen by half a dozen, no photos or videos, no one came out when to see them even when folks shouted about it.
Title: Re: This subject must continue. UFO related
Post by: JL Rich on June 08, 2021, 09:26:10 PM
I watched those satellites go across while spending time in the AZ desert last year.  They do tend to get your attention.
Title: Re: This subject must continue. UFO related
Post by: Bulldog9 on June 09, 2021, 06:29:41 AM
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/experts-weigh-in-on-pentagon-ufo-report/

Decent article from the Scientific American. 
Title: Re: This subject must continue. UFO related
Post by: e.cleven on June 09, 2021, 07:38:25 AM
My wife and I saw Elon's Satellites here in Minnesota, felt like we were on Saturday Night Live. "What the hell is that???".
Mind boggling till you find out what it is.

Ride safe and keep one eye on the sky.

Earl
Title: Re: This subject must continue. UFO related
Post by: LowRyter on June 09, 2021, 08:20:15 AM
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/experts-weigh-in-on-pentagon-ufo-report/

Decent article from the Scientific American.

I didn't get much out of it.  I thought it was a short shrift summary with some cherry picked skepticism concluding that scientists are smarter than the folks that reported it. 
Title: Re: This subject must continue. UFO related
Post by: LowRyter on June 09, 2021, 08:41:54 AM
I'll say that these Navy videos and accompanying witness accounts belong in the "unknown" camp.  Few reporting it here or in the press are making claims this is proof of alien life, although that certainly can't be discounted.

As I'd written in the deleted thread, if I were to guess, I think it could be a military experiment based on laser generated holograms.  There could be an agenda that the Navy has an inner-service rivalry with another govt entity and the Navy is using this "disclosure" as a means to "smoke it out" but still maintain classified cover for the technology.  This is a convoluted assertion for sure but does have some technological basis.  Perhaps one "tell", the phenomena is defined as UAPs (Unidentified Aerial Phenomena), not UFOs (Unidentified Flying Objects); hence, the "object" descriptor has been dropped.  Perhaps that was deliberate hint?

Finally, I'm not convinced that this is all there is to the UFO stuff.  Regular UFO sightings have been going on for 80 years now.  If this is a current military tech, whether revealed or not, it doesn't explain what has been ongoing for all those years.  And it's more likely my assertions about holograms is more bunk than truth and these Navy videos are just the latest of the legacy UFO sightings.   
Title: Re: This subject must continue. UFO related
Post by: PJPR01 on June 09, 2021, 12:26:15 PM
UFO sightings have increased since the legalization (in some states) of Cannabis.  Imaginations are running freer than before, surely there's a correlation.
Title: Re: This subject must continue. UFO related
Post by: larrys on June 09, 2021, 01:11:49 PM
I dunno about cannabis. I have been told that a person needs to take hallucinogens to really see things that aren't there...
Larry
Title: Re: This subject must continue. UFO related
Post by: LowRyter on June 09, 2021, 01:28:39 PM
UFO sightings have increased since the legalization (in some states) of Cannabis.  Imaginations are running freer than before, surely there's a correlation.

I'd like to see your stats. 

I don't think anything we smoked at Cedar Vale had anything to do with seeing Elon's satellites but you might be on to something.    :cool:
Title: Re: This subject must continue. UFO related
Post by: Ncdan on June 09, 2021, 01:35:15 PM
I'll say that these Navy videos and accompanying witness accounts belong in the "unknown" camp.  Few reporting it here or in the press are making claims this is proof of alien life, although that certainly can't be discounted.

As I'd written in the deleted thread, if I were to guess, I think it could be a military experiment based on laser generated holograms.  There could be an agenda that the Navy has an inner-service rivalry with another govt entity and the Navy is using this "disclosure" as a means to "smoke it out" but still maintain classified cover for the technology.  This is a convoluted assertion for sure but does have some technological basis.  Perhaps one "tell", the phenomena is defined as UAPs (Unidentified Aerial Phenomena), not UFOs (Unidentified Flying Objects); hence, the "object" descriptor has been dropped.  Perhaps that was deliberate hint?

Finally, I'm not convinced that this is all there is to the UFO stuff.  Regular UFO sightings have been going on for 80 years now.  If this is a current military tech, whether revealed or not, it doesn't explain what has been ongoing for all those years.  And it's more likely my assertions about holograms is more bunk than truth and these Navy videos are just the latest of the legacy UFO sightings.
Good thoughts John and thatís about the corner Iím in also. I really donít believe the sightings are extra terrestrial in nature but I do believe there is something there that at this point has not been explained, admitted to or is still unknown. I do not believe that all the people who have reported the incidents are nut cases, attention seekers or book mongers. I hope that in our life time the answers we deserve comes to light and I really donít care what the answer is as long as itís the truth.
Title: Re: This subject must continue. UFO related
Post by: PJPR01 on June 09, 2021, 01:51:22 PM
I'd like to see your stats. 

I don't think anything we smoked at Cedar Vale had anything to do with seeing Elon's satellites but you might be on to something.    :cool:

It was my Sutliff Rum & Maple tobacco in a Baraccini Mare Blu Sandblast pipe...heady stuff!  Combined with good fellowship around the campfire with Guzzi friends and Kirby's flight stories!  All good!

:thumb: :thumb:
Title: Re: This subject must continue. UFO related
Post by: LowRyter on June 10, 2021, 10:52:38 AM
https://www.rawstory.com/harry-reid-government-hid-ufos/

Former Sen. Harry Reid reveals the reasons why the government hid UFOs from the American people for so long

"The reason we didn't hear more about them is because the military kept it all secret until very recently," Reid explained. "We don't know what they are, but we don't know what they aren't either. We just don't know. That's the way I look at it. We know now, without any hesitancy that they exist."

When asked why the U.S. government would hide what they've seen about UFOs, Reid said that it's possible people in authority feel "it could be damaging to the security of our country."

"What I've said about this is that it can't be a one-shot deal," said Reid. "There needs to be continual study of this. I don't think that we're going to learn much when this report comes out in a few weeks. I think we need to continue working on it without any question."

He went on to say that the developments in this study have shown "you don't have to be some kind of oddball to be curious about what's going on. People are curious, as they should be."
Title: Re: This subject must continue. UFO related
Post by: Zoom Zoom on June 11, 2021, 05:12:05 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rdKOKpXfcRw

ZZ
Title: Re: This subject must continue. UFO related
Post by: yogidozer on June 11, 2021, 06:22:50 AM
Yes the universe is vast, and we don't know where it ends.
But it's unlikely there is any other lifeforms, certainly none as intelligent or peaceful as we are🙄
Oh...and the world is flat 😵
Title: Re: This subject must continue. UFO related
Post by: wavedog on June 17, 2021, 06:47:17 PM
 So I thought about this and decided to tell a story here. One reason is I am a contrarian (some would use a non family oriented word that starts with an A) and I know that some would like to see this thread die a quiet death. Well your wish may come true as my posts have been known to kill a thread or two.

 My UFO encounter story. But first a disclaimer: I don't think that UFO are extra terrestrial in origin. I would like to be wrong. UFO is short for unidentified flying object blah blah blah not E.T. buzzing about the atmosphere zapping toad hunting swamp dwellers with bright lights. And besides what extra terrestrial specie in the their right mind would visit us? We are violent. We kill each other for sport. We breathe corrosive gas - oxygen. There I said it.

 In the 70's, way back during part of the cold war, I was standing periscope watch while we entertained ourselves gathering whatever off of a coast. A brilliant light up onshore and a missile went skyward. Yeah baby it was bright and right on time. Well, not on time - not by a long shot - but it was bright and spectacular. Especially the explosion after stage separation. We got it all on film. Filling out the deck log afterwards and me just being me I logged it as a UFO. Deck logs are classified. Everyone signed off on it, including the Captain and when we eventually made it back to our home port the logs were handed over with everything else and sent to wherever they go. Yes we officially logged a UFO sighting. It was the truth. It was an object that we could not identify moving through the atmosphere at a high rate of speed and in an erratic manner. Yes it could be assumed that it was a missile, but were we sure? The erratic manner was due to the boat rolling and trying to maintain a sight on it. The tapes were awesome.
 
 So, a few months later we got the deck logs back accompanied by some serious looking people and I was told by the serious looking people to re-write the log. While they watched. The problem was not that it was logged as a UFO sighting, but that the date, time and bearings would reveal our position and the fact that we were there. They didn't give a crap about the phrase UFO, although I was told not to use it. ( side note- at that time there was a notorious spy ring operating out of the Pentagon and everything was leaked within hours. Sometimes minutes.)

 There you have it. The UFO sighting and cover up by the U.S. Navy.

 This thread may now die in peace. Or pieces.
Title: Re: This subject must continue. UFO related
Post by: LowRyter on June 17, 2021, 07:07:24 PM
WD, I read your sighting but didn't quite get your meaning.  I gather that you were observing another country's missile launch but due to the erratic nature of the launch that you logged it as a UFO?  Or did you log another country's missile launch as a UFO for security reasons?  Or you were observing another country's missile launch and saw a UFO at the same time?  Or you saw something altogether unknown and documented a UFO? 

Or you meant something else entirely? 
Title: Re: This subject must continue. UFO related
Post by: SIR REAL ED on June 19, 2021, 07:16:50 AM
........

 There you have it. The UFO sighting and cover up by the U.S. Navy.

 This thread may now die in peace. Or pieces.

You just threw an extra helping of Miracle Grow on this thread!!!!   :laugh:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q70MrmN8DkU
Title: Re: This subject must continue. UFO related
Post by: LowRyter on June 19, 2021, 10:23:53 AM
You just threw an extra helping of Miracle Grow on this thread!!!!   :laugh:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q70MrmN8DkU

LMAO   :grin:
Title: Re: This subject must continue. UFO related
Post by: wavedog on June 19, 2021, 10:44:48 AM
 
 From Sir Real Ed "You just threw an extra helping of Miracle Grow on this thread!!!!"

 Yep it's what I do. It was on my submarine qual card. As much as I try not to, sometimes I just can't resist. Because, you know, resistance is futile.

 Resistance is the ratio of voltage drop to the current. I=V/R. (sort of). Yeah those Borg got it wrong.
 
Title: Re: This subject must continue. UFO related
Post by: SIR REAL ED on June 20, 2021, 07:25:54 AM

 From Sir Real Ed "You just threw an extra helping of Miracle Grow on this thread!!!!"

 Yep it's what I do. It was on my submarine qual card. As much as I try not to, sometimes I just can't resist. Because, you know, resistance is futile.

 Resistance is the ratio of voltage drop to the current. I=V/R. (sort of). Yeah those Borg got it wrong.

Wavedog

Amen.  As a fellow wiseacre, I can appreciate your natural talents and abilities!  Any skill that is not continually used, atrophies, and the world would be a much more boring place without those who are slightly off center.


The correct perspective can be very soothing to one's soul.   :wink:

This thread is as old as human's ability to look to the sky.  If Brand X Aliens ever land and provide "proof," for some it will be a false flag event, and for others it will merely spur the question of "Well if Brand X Aliens exist out there, how many other kinds of Aliens are out there?"

Hopefully the aliens won't be into identity politics and they will know a.  Why doesn't Moto Guzzi grease bearings? and b. What happens to the oil in a twin body small block after 60,000 miles!   :bow:

Whther the faithful choose to agree with their answers will create at least two more threads!!!!  You're right, resistance if futile..... but it does create heat!
Title: Re: This subject must continue. UFO related
Post by: LowRyter on June 20, 2021, 06:04:18 PM
I still don't understand this submarine sighting. 
Title: Re: This subject must continue. UFO related
Post by: wavedog on June 21, 2021, 03:08:34 PM

(https://i.ibb.co/z4YwhVN/8-B3-D27-CC-A6-B5-4525-AE90-850395-ED53-D2.jpg) (https://ibb.co/z4YwhVN)
Title: Re: This subject must continue. UFO related
Post by: yogidozer on June 21, 2021, 05:06:46 PM
Doesn't it seem like narcissism that in the vast universe (that we still have no idea just where it ends, if ever)
That we are the most, and only intelligent life form?
And IF they know anything about us, could you blame them for avoiding us?
We have been killing our own since.....forever.
You can be sure if a alien did land, we'd destroy them, if possible, as quick as we could.
Title: Re: This subject must continue. UFO related
Post by: LowRyter on June 25, 2021, 07:20:59 PM
It looks like the Govt report is out and is clear as mud.  And then it's buried in the news with horror in Miami and political BS.   

And best to anyone in Miami.

https://www.axios.com/ufo-report-pentagon-us-government-703f230c-2091-49ae-b29c-e0a0925f4e0e.html

https://www.dni.gov/files/ODNI/documents/assessments/Prelimary-Assessment-UAP-20210625.pdf

If they use this for more defense spending rather that just opening the files....well. ...
Title: Re: This subject must continue. UFO related
Post by: cliffrod on June 25, 2021, 08:00:23 PM
The only snippet of consequence mentioned on the network news was that the US Military does not believe that enemy nations like Russia or China are behind these objects or general situation.  That seems to be reasonably significant.

But, to fully argue the issue, suppose that any country did have the capacity to do such things.... or actual crashed spaceship or alien bodies or an understanding of their technology..?  How could you admit it without painting a huge bullseye on it for competing or even partnering nations like NATO members?  It would be the ultimate prize.  So admitting it is in hand or truly legitimate simply isn't practical.

I did watch the rerun of the Unsolved Mysteries episode the other day that had the segment of the Roswell incident.  It was very cool to see Randle, Mrs. Proctor, Bill Brazell, Jesse Marcell (video) and his son amd others in the flesh after reading the book several times plus time spent in Roswell.

I'm still looking forward to the actual truth.  But if it's something like time travel, which I think is at least as feasible as alien life, it may not be anything I could comprehend at this time.
Title: Re: This subject must continue. UFO related
Post by: LowRyter on June 25, 2021, 08:09:05 PM
Cliff, if any nation had advanced alien technology, they would be leading the world in tech and not just shivaree-ing Navy pilots.   
Title: Re: This subject must continue. UFO related
Post by: cloudbase on June 25, 2021, 08:13:32 PM
(https://i.ibb.co/D5cq13p/UFO-in-disguise-as-airplane.jpg)
Title: Re: This subject must continue. UFO related
Post by: cliffrod on June 25, 2021, 08:53:28 PM
The whole point of winning the race, especially if you've got the "secret technology" (aka cheating, illegal equipment, vastly superior talent, etc), is to win by just enough that you clearly win but not by enough that the losers go the the race officials demanding a tear-down inspection to challenge your win.  Anyone who had vastly superior technology would risk a lot by revealing too much too quickly.

Sometimes, it's different.  we watched some very smug NASCAR brake specialist $$$$ dude from Charlotte handily beat everyone with no shame at a local dirt track race night about 10 yrs ago.  He had a whole trailer full of bikes with him.  Dave Aldana was there- alone with two bikes, winning by just enough and being very gracious.  What a nice guy, a real treat to meet him.  In the final, they both took off and left the rest of the field..  Then Dave lapped him at least 3 times, just to prove how good he was and how good the dude wasn't.  Man, was he flying. It was like all of a sudden, we were at a different track.  To say Dave won the night is an understatement. 

Maybe a govt/military can be that superior at will.  If so, I hope it's us and not them.
Title: Re: This subject must continue. UFO related
Post by: LowRyter on June 26, 2021, 11:36:21 AM
Cliff, if a nation had this type of tech, someone, if not the entire nation would have magnitudes better economy and standards of living-  not to mention power.
Title: Re: This subject must continue. UFO related
Post by: cliffrod on June 26, 2021, 12:19:56 PM
I understand that very well.  Possessing aspects or elements of a given technology, such as the wreckage from Roswell, doesn't mean one knows how to use it properly.   I use old tools like compasses/calipers- very basic tools- in my work. What can be accurately done with them is elegantly simple but amazingly powerful in many ways.  Almost no one in the sculpture community, professional or otherwise, actually knows how to use them properly or accurately.  Lots of people have these compasses. lots of people sell them.  When a rare class pops up, the proper method of using them is touted as a lost art.  It's not lost to me or my Masters, just to the other approx 330M+ people in the USA.  So the rest fumble around with such things. They only way they employ the basic technology en masse is via computer, but they still have no comprehension of what is being done beyond input and output.  Without the expertise in the middle, they're fools.

Based upon the premise that a significant amount of the unidentifed phenomena are real, whoever is using such advanced technology- terrestrial or otherwise- has discretion and self-control that goes beyond the regular scope of human greed and fallibility.  That's the part that makes me doubt that some select group of contemporary humans on earth are doing these things.  Such people would be the truly extraordinary phenomenon, probably even harder to believe than actual ET or time/dimensional travelling humans from the future.

We know time exists.  It is there.  There is no need to speculate or argue about whether it is "out there" or not.  We don't know how it works or even what composes it.    I don't know what the answer is.  It just seems less irrational to consider time travel within a finite or specific locale in the Universe than suggest than some manner of being from far, far away (actual light years vs time dimension) is doing it all.
Title: Re: This subject must continue. UFO related
Post by: LowRyter on June 26, 2021, 02:02:56 PM
Cliff, agree with what you're saying.   But I'll restate my point.  Any society employing that tech displayed here with real solid objects, will have standards of living much higher than any country on this earth. 

I've left the possibility open that if might be holograms or generated apparitions but if it's actual moving objects, even drones, it's above our understanding. 
Title: Re: This subject must continue. UFO related
Post by: sidecarnutz on June 26, 2021, 02:16:05 PM
When the movie Men In Black came out. All I could think that they got it right! Its the only logical explanation!  :evil:

Many of our leaders, aliens hiding in plain sight. Also explains how they stick around so long!
Title: Re: This subject must continue. UFO related
Post by: SIR REAL ED on June 26, 2021, 03:52:09 PM
Still could be an advanced civilization that is only showing us what they want us to see or think we can comprehend.  Like playing with your cat using a laser pointer.  The human knows it is projected light, for the cat it is whatever the cat can imagine.
Title: Re: This subject must continue. UFO related
Post by: SIR REAL ED on June 26, 2021, 03:54:14 PM
(https://i.ibb.co/D5cq13p/UFO-in-disguise-as-airplane.jpg)

This makes a lot of sense to me.  If "the advanced civilization" does not want us to observe or comprehend what they are up to (assuming we humans are capable of either), Shirley they could produce any presentation they desire that fits their needs.
Title: Re: This subject must continue. UFO related
Post by: yogidozer on June 26, 2021, 03:57:35 PM
Still could be an advanced civilization that is only showing us what they want us to see or think we can comprehend.  Like playing with your cat using a laser pointer.  The human knows it is projected light, for the cat it is whatever the cat can imagine.
This is what I believe also.
And think about it, if they are intelligent enough to come here, they know our history. Violent.
You can bet, as soon as they land, we would attack them.
Maybe they are just waiting for us to kill each other.
If they are smart enough to get here, they probably could wipe us out.
Title: Re: This subject must continue. UFO related
Post by: janguzzi on June 26, 2021, 04:48:21 PM
Maybe those aliens are looking for the missing models in the Guzzi portfolio.  :azn:
Title: Re: This subject must continue. UFO related
Post by: SIR REAL ED on June 26, 2021, 05:29:59 PM
This is what I believe also.
And think about it, if they are intelligent enough to come here, they know our history. Violent.
You can bet, as soon as they land, we would attack them.
Maybe they are just waiting for us to kill each other.
If they are smart enough to get here, they probably could wipe us out.

they would probably also know that preferring Brand X human or nation to Brand Y would only be a very temporary alliance.

My guess is that if they wanted to interact with us, they would present themselves as one or more of our popular deities.

That way they could manage us more effectively.

I'm not sure how I am perceived by a grub, but no doubt my lifespan and travel speeds are beyond their comprehension.

Title: Re: This subject must continue. UFO related
Post by: yogidozer on June 26, 2021, 05:40:05 PM
they would probably also know that preferring Brand X human or nation to Brand Y would only be a very temporary alliance.

My guess is that if they wanted to interact with us, they would present themselves as one or more of our popular deities.

That way they could manage us more effectively.

I'm not sure how I am perceived by a grub, but not doubt my lifespan and travel speeds are beyond their comprehension.
And maybe they will do to us, as what was done to the American Indians.
Come at us with superior weapons, take away our food supply, the best land, give us viruses (-?)
And wipe almost all of us out, except those needed for slaves.
Am I getting my self in trouble? 🙄
Title: Re: This subject must continue. UFO related
Post by: SIR REAL ED on June 26, 2021, 06:50:21 PM
And maybe they will do to us, as what was done to the American Indians.
Come at us with superior weapons, take away our food supply, the best land, give us viruses (-?)
And wipe almost all of us out, except those needed for slaves.
Am I getting my self in trouble? 🙄

Not in trouble with me.  One of the things I liked about the movie Contact was it showed the variety of ways humans might react to contact with a ET intelligence.
Title: Re: This subject must continue. UFO related
Post by: SIR REAL ED on June 26, 2021, 06:53:04 PM
Are you suggesting grubs are managing the mothership ?

No I am suggesting that perhaps, human perception of the aliens may be analogous to grub's perceptions of humans.

We are pretty used to thinking of ourselves as top of the food chain and the smartest animals in existence.  Kinda like being prom king in a small town.  We might just be the kings of Earth and the grubs of the universe.
Title: Re: This subject must continue. UFO related
Post by: sidecarnutz on June 26, 2021, 07:18:31 PM
You're doing better than I did with my own abduction.

My aliens would only commit to morning or afternoon. No specific time. Just like the cable guy!   :thumb:
Title: Re: This subject must continue. UFO related
Post by: Turin on June 27, 2021, 03:43:04 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PfPdYYsEfAE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PfPdYYsEfAE)
Title: Re: This subject must continue. UFO related
Post by: LowRyter on June 27, 2021, 08:17:19 AM
Kate had everyone laughing  :bow: :laugh:

she's great
Title: Re: This subject must continue. UFO related
Post by: Zoom Zoom on June 27, 2021, 08:31:46 AM

(https://i.ibb.co/8d7gB4y/lolly-pop.jpg) (https://ibb.co/8d7gB4y)
Title: Re: This subject must continue. UFO related
Post by: ScepticalScotty on July 02, 2021, 10:28:34 AM
Show me a body if its aliens. Extraordinary claims demand extraordinary evidence.

And as for the Ancient Aliens stuff -  :popcorn: :popcorn: That is some crazy stuff. There's a great book by the archeologist Ken Feder that covers a fair bit of it - the Pyramids, Nazca, etc etc....
Title: Re: This subject must continue. UFO related
Post by: Ncdan on July 02, 2021, 10:52:16 AM
And maybe they will do to us, as what was done to the American Indians.
Come at us with superior weapons, take away our food supply, the best land, give us viruses (-?)
And wipe almost all of us out, except those needed for slaves.
Am I getting my self in trouble? 🙄
No but a note of caution is in order regarding this subject matter 👍

Thanks
Dan
Title: Re: This subject must continue. UFO related
Post by: Ronkom on July 02, 2021, 11:05:41 AM
I have a friend w/whom I MX raced wayyy back in the early 1970's. He went on to get his degree & a Government job as an inspector of bridges & other structures all along the Atlantic coast. He is a "water person" spending most of his working life in boats, on jet-skis, etc. etc. He has told me of numerous hair-raising experiences seeing "UUOs" (Unidentified Underwater Objects). "Somethings" traveling just under the surface at speeds that shouldn't be possible w/out creating MUCH more disturbance on the surface, making turns etc. that "normal"  physics don't allow for.  I personally have seen 1 "UFO" At a Guzzi rally at Sherando Lake Park years ago. The group camping area was surrounded by forested mountains allowing a limited area of open sky above.  Wee hours of the night, driven out of my tent under extreme bladder pressure, I headed across the open campground for the men's room. Suddenly the night was lit up a bright green. A glowing green spherical "object" crossed the sky, taking about 2 seconds, slowing slightly, making a "zig" to change direction slightly, then speeding up out of sight. Absolutely no sound. A meteoroid? possibly...I'll never know for sure. 
Title: Re: This subject must continue. UFO related
Post by: SIR REAL ED on July 03, 2021, 09:24:21 AM
I have a friend w/whom I MX raced wayyy back in the early 1970's. He went on to get his degree & a Government job as an inspector of bridges & other structures all along the Atlantic coast. He is a "water person" spending most of his working life in boats, on jet-skis, etc. etc. He has told me of numerous hair-raising experiences seeing "UUOs" (Unidentified Underwater Objects). "Somethings" traveling just under the surface at speeds that shouldn't be possible w/out creating MUCH more disturbance on the surface, making turns etc. that "normal"  physics don't allow for.  I personally have seen 1 "UFO" At a Guzzi rally at Sherando Lake Park years ago. The group camping area was surrounded by forested mountains allowing a limited area of open sky above.  Wee hours of the night, driven out of my tent under extreme bladder pressure, I headed across the open campground for the men's room. Suddenly the night was lit up a bright green. A glowing green spherical "object" crossed the sky, taking about 2 seconds, slowing slightly, making a "zig" to change direction slightly, then speeding up out of sight. Absolutely no sound. A meteoroid? possibly...I'll never know for sure.

Thanks for posting Ron!  I have read similar tales.  Large objects moving at 500+ knots under the water!!!!

It is amazing that if one does not try to silence/censor other people's opinions with ridicule, that the variety of experiences some are willing to share is mind blowing (and possibly mind expanding).  Who knows if UFO, UUO, aliens, Bigfoot, etc. sightings are 10, 100, or 500 times more frequent than they are reported.

The only time I am (relatively) sure of is that reality is stranger and more  wondrous than most of us have experienced.  I enjoy the sense of wonder, awe, and imagination, more than I do the sense of being a know-it-all.
Title: Re: This subject must continue. UFO related
Post by: LowRyter on July 03, 2021, 09:47:05 AM
The DOD Report more or less confirms what we already knew but provides little else:  there are "objects" in the sky and in the sea that move with such speed that they defy the laws of physics and propulsion known the man.

Unfortunately the report is restricted to sightings from military pilots in the last decade or so.  Nothing about the 70 years of sightings, legacy and FAA reports.   

One mass sighting that has been largely forgotten occurred in the Stephenville TX in 2008.  This was a mass citing, the object was huge, there were F-16 and AWACS aircraft in the area, the govt denied and later retracted that govt aircraft were in the space, the FAA caught this on radar and as result changed their FOIA request to restrict future disclosures, and attempts to photograph or video this appears to have been jammed.

https://www.npr.org/2008/01/16/18146244/dozens-claim-they-spotted-ufo-in-texas

https://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=18375952

https://abcnews.go.com/GMA/story?id=4142232&page=1

https://www.popularmechanics.com/space/a4018/4304170/
Title: Re: This subject must continue. UFO related
Post by: yogidozer on July 03, 2021, 10:11:47 AM
Sure, it's all fun and games until YOU are the one they abduct and do the anal probe 🥵



(https://i.ibb.co/J3r4w2s/il-340x270-2928099003-qend.jpg) (https://ibb.co/J3r4w2s)
Title: Re: This subject must continue. UFO related
Post by: LowRyter on July 03, 2021, 10:21:53 AM
Reading the report in Pop Mechs is interesting , and points to some reality . The few actual pictures show a dot of light , nothing more . Yet people's imaginations turn it into detailed descriptions of a flying object . Two neighbors from years ago described a sighting over the Piney Woods in a rural part of East Texas . One guy gave a detailed account of a vehicle in the sky , the other stated simply "oh nonsense , we say a small light in the sky" .

Per my original post, " attempts to photograph or video this appears to have been jammed."

Though not in the cited links, from my memory, one person took photos and videos with his phone but they were blurred.  In another case, the local constable took video with his police camera installed in his squad car, he monitored the recording video real time in which the images were clear but on playback it was all blurred.
Title: Re: This subject must continue. UFO related
Post by: LowRyter on July 03, 2021, 10:28:00 AM
How would "attempts to photograph or video" something be jammed ?

hey man, get offa my cloud.   :evil:
Title: Re: This subject must continue. UFO related
Post by: SIR REAL ED on July 03, 2021, 02:51:48 PM
Sure, it's all fun and games until YOU are the one they abduct and do the anal probe 🥵



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Yeah, but think of the bragging rights when you belly up to the bar!

Fred:  "I once slept with Pamela Anderson!"

Joe:  "I slept with Halle Berry twice!"

Bill:  "I got anal probed about a dozen times by some aliens who never even told me their names!"

No contest!  Bill wins, and Fred and Joe have to pay for his drinks!
Title: Re: This subject must continue. UFO related
Post by: yogidozer on July 03, 2021, 04:31:48 PM
Yeah, but think of the bragging rights when you belly up to the bar!

Fred:  "I once slept with Pamela Anderson!"

Joe:  "I slept with Halle Berry twice!"

Bill:  "I got anal probed about a dozen times by some aliens who never even told me their names!"

No contest!  Bill wins, and Fred and Joe have to pay for his drinks!
IDK about you Ed, but I think Fred easily wins bragging right. Unless you aren't telling us something about yourself? 👽👽👽👽👽👽👽
Title: Re: This subject must continue. UFO related
Post by: SIR REAL ED on July 03, 2021, 05:41:00 PM
IDK about you Ed, but I think Fred easily wins bragging right. Unless you aren't telling us something about yourself? 👽👽👽👽👽👽👽

As Gramma used to say "If you never try it, you'll never miss it!"

There's exotic, then there is out of this world!
Title: Re: This subject must continue. UFO related
Post by: yogidozer on July 03, 2021, 05:51:57 PM
As Gramma used to say "If you never try it, you'll never miss it!"

There's exotic, then there is out of this world!
You can tell everyone the aliens are from Uranus 🙄
Title: Re: This subject must continue. UFO related
Post by: SIR REAL ED on July 03, 2021, 07:05:17 PM
You can tell everyone the aliens are from Uranus 🙄

technically, they're not from there, they're just visiting......  :embarassed: