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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: fossil on April 09, 2016, 10:11:44 AM
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Well, my dealer has his open day today. Beside real good life music (and beer for those who did not ride) a lot of Ducatis, Suzukis, Kymcos and so on could be tested. And a white V9 Roamer. Of course I took the opportunity to compare the bike to my 2013 V7 Stone.
1) The finish. As I have already reported the bike is flawless. Metal everywhere (even the marking at the side panels). The switches and armatures are really modern. Not that 70th stuff which can be found at the V7. The bike in my opinion stands second to nothing in this regard. I will provide a few detail pictures soon.
2) The engine. The sound is sweet. It sounds compact, a bit similar to Ducatis - without the mechanical noise. Deep, nice.
The acceleration is brisk. MUCH stronger than that of my 37 kW V7. It follows the throttle absolut directly. But this means that it runs into the limiter all the time. And then there is that nasty little red light in the instrument... And this bike is brand-new. It has not loosened up in any way. Following an accelerating Ducati Scrambler was no problem at all.
Edit: I forgot about the shifting. Well, short ways, finding neutral is sometimes difficult (but, remember, the bike was brand-new!). The steps are perfect. There is an indicator in the display that counts the gear! Luxury!
A small hiccup could be felt in very fast gear-changing manoeuvres on the track. I think this was caused by the anti-slip circuitry.
3) The seating position. The pegs are forward, but are somewhat half - heartetly. The handlebar was too high for my taste, and too much rearward. This should be corrected! My Stone has the windshield, the V9 needs a shield more! The seat is comfortable. I liked it.
4) The driving characteristics. Well....
The bike is mostly neutral. I had to consider the different seating position. It generally likes turns. However: in wide, fast turns the centrifugal forces of the big (and beautiful!) front wheel are very perceptible. And the leaning angle is not high! We first rode several real twisty roads I know really well, then we used the ADAC - handling track. And here in a slow sharp left turn the (I presume) side stand kissed the ground sharply so I had to leave the track! My V7 would have laughed about this curve. It was in sharp turns where I had real difficulties to follow the Ducati Scrambler. It was work.
The suspension is very similar to that of my Stone. Could be better but considering that the layout of the bike is not fast it should be sufficient.
So what do I think? The bike is nice. I stands it�s ground against Sportster 883 and Yamaha Bolt. The engine is beautiful and feels strong. The make is good. But the driving experience - at least to me - is ambivalent. I now join the chorus: this engine in a V7 - like format would be nice!
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Thanks for that Thorsten .
Dusty
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Good report. Nice to hear the good stuff, but it's too bad they didn't make 1 cruiser and 1 standard out of the v9, instead of 2 cruisers. Maybe someday...?
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Buddy, we all hope so. But if the reports get it right the V7 now is E4 - compatible. And this means building a V9 in the same style would inflict the sales figures of both.
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Some detail pictures.
The shifter mechanism looks nice.
(http://i1074.photobucket.com/albums/w409/tromstaedt/P1020344_zps9u2aft3x.jpg) (http://s1074.photobucket.com/user/tromstaedt/media/P1020344_zps9u2aft3x.jpg.html)
Nice way to fit a fender.
(http://i1074.photobucket.com/albums/w409/tromstaedt/P1020345_zpsl9xon2ql.jpg) (http://s1074.photobucket.com/user/tromstaedt/media/P1020345_zpsl9xon2ql.jpg.html)
I rode this bike:
(http://i1074.photobucket.com/albums/w409/tromstaedt/P1020346_zpskoqktcyf.jpg) (http://s1074.photobucket.com/user/tromstaedt/media/P1020346_zpskoqktcyf.jpg.html)
The seat IS comfortable - at least to me!
(http://i1074.photobucket.com/albums/w409/tromstaedt/P1020348_zps8zvabaa1.jpg) (http://s1074.photobucket.com/user/tromstaedt/media/P1020348_zps8zvabaa1.jpg.html)
Details like this you find everywhere on the bike:
(http://i1074.photobucket.com/albums/w409/tromstaedt/P1020349_zpsdevujt3x.jpg) (http://s1074.photobucket.com/user/tromstaedt/media/P1020349_zpsdevujt3x.jpg.html)
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The journalists all say the Bobber is more stable leaned over, so the Roamer may be for folks who really truly just want to cruise. The dragging hard parts bit is more disappointing, but I have no experience with feet forward or semi-forward riding. Maybe the ground clearance of the V9 is actually a good compromise between comfort and leaning ability.
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It may be so. We must keep in mind that bikes like Bolt and Sportster (and, as they say, Street Twin) which are the main contenders are not really sport bikes. I rode the same roads (but not the track) immediately after the test ride with my V 7 Stone and this bike felt a lot more agile and nimble. I don�t regard my leaning angle as especially "sporty" as I am more on the cautious side but there were much less limitations. The V 7 simply is much more suited for rural roads.
However: for commuting, in citys and so on the V9 should be great. And the bike simply is nice to look at. And this is important!
Adan, re-reading your post: The Roamer does feel stable in turns. That was what surprised me. I had a great time chasing Scramblers, Monsters and several Suzukis on the track and then there came the big "Ssskrrrraaatchhhh".
Only to make it clear: I did not throw the bike away....
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Nice looking scoot!! Wonder how much it would cost to eliminate the seam surrounding the tank; it just SCREAMS Cheeeeeeep??????????????
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Thanks Fossil. WG members have mentioned the thin seat looks uncomfortable. Any comment?
Do you think Enduro/Flat Track style handlebars would cure the too high bars, or create more problems?
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I like the look and apparent quality of the V9 but the foot forward pegs would rule it out for me because I need to take some weight on my feet and off my backside to save my old back when on our pot holed roads. Steve.
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Fossil,
Much thanks! Forward pegs don't work for me either. Otherwise, pretty cool bike. Does the other V9 have a more normal geometry?
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I've still not heard/seen anything that would make me trade in my V7. Engine specs are way too close, and I've got some dough invested in making the Special my own. Now a big block V10/11/12 might make me rethink that. I KNOW Triumph has already done that, but it's not a Guzzi. Damn that Thruxton!
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I like the look and apparent quality of the V9 but the foot forward pegs would rule it out for me because I need to take some weight on my feet and off my backside to save my old back when on our pot holed roads. Steve.
From the pictures of the Roamer being ridden, it appears that the rider can get his/her weight off the seat and onto the pegs. Perhaps Thorsten can confirm this....
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From the pictures of the Roamer being ridden, it appears that the rider can get his/her weight off the seat and onto the pegs. Perhaps Thorsten can confirm this....
Come on, they're not that far forward.
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Come on, they're not that far forward.
Don't understand what you're saying -- my point is that they are NOT that far forward; that's why it looks like you can get your weight off the saddle.
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Thanks for the review of the bike. I like the all metal parts but the tank not only looks cheap to me but reminds me of a pontoon off an airplane or something, YUK.
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Don't understand what you're saying -- my point is that they are NOT that far forward; that's why it looks like you can get your weight off the saddle.
Others have said they were forward comtrols, and a negative aspect of the bike.
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Check the pictures, or better yet, let's hear from somebody who has ridden one.
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We just did! See (READ) first post.
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We just did! See (READ) first post.
Who hasn't said if you can get your weight on the pegs -- help us here Thorsten!
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Who hasn't said if you can get your weight on the pegs -- help us here Thorsten!
The peg mounts, regardless of where they are, sure are good looking bits of metal.
Todd.
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I just took a look at my V7 pegs. They are about 2" forward of the swimgarm pivot. The V9's appear to be about 6-8" forward. Just a guess, as the V9 may have a different drive train layout. Seems it would take the right angle bend out of your knee. Mine get stiff after about 100 miles of not putting my feet down.
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Fossil,
Much thanks! Forward pegs don't work for me either. Otherwise, pretty cool bike. Does the other V9 have a more normal geometry?
I sat on one today and don't understand way folks think these are forward controls. Yes, they are farther forward than a V7. The peg position is very similar to Harley mid controls. You could easily stand on them.
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If it had a plastic tank it would be lighter, cheaper and wouldn't have a welded seam. Nor would it rust.
I can hear the corn cob pipes splintering from here.........
Pete
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Hello!
It�s now 07:36 am here, and I am awake again. So I will give gladly answer the questions now.
I see the most urgent questions regard the seating position. And the seat itself. So let�s start here. I wrote in the OP the seat is comfortable. To make this point clear: I�m not spoiled by the seats of the V7. The original seat of the V7 is uncomfortable to me, the padding is much to soft. I tested the seat from the old Cafe Classic, which you can buy from the Garage - program. Much to soft and to low. I have the Gel Confort seat in normal hight and this works. The seat of the V9 looks very flat. But its geometry is good (at least for my butt). And the padding has a nice tightness. I was positively surprised.
It is definitely not possible to leave the seat and stand up. This is something I do relatively often on my bike. The V9 does not allow to simply stand up as the pegs are nearly below the handles. Because of the relative position of pegs and handles and the low seat you sit a bit leaned backwards. The wind does not make it better. Another arrangement of the handlebar (lower, perhaps different risers) could make it better. But you sit very near the bar.
This of course is not so nice when you want to drive fast. As I said the V9 likes turns. So you want to sit forward-orientated. And this is difficult.
Perhaps this is why the motor journalists prefer the Bopper. The handlebar of this bike is better. I don�t believe that the fatter tyre really is better in this regard.
The Roamer I rode has the Sport Demons - a tyre I don�t really like. I blame it for a slight indifference in the feel of the front even at my bike. The V9 feels similar in this regard.
The engine is the theme where Guzzi has made a big step forward. We all know that the V7 - engine feels much stronger than it should. Believe me, the V9 - engine is that stronger that I was really disappointed with the performance of my bike when I took of with it again. The throttle response is absolutely direct and linear. The engine is sweet!
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What is the seat height on the V9's?
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What is the seat height on the V9's?
29.5 in. (750 mm), on Bobber 29.3 in. (745 mm)
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Open house this weekend at my Guzzi dealer this weekend.
Took a too short a ride on the Roamer. Only about 5 miles. Firstly, the bike is ergonomically perfect for me. Even the seat is more comfortable than I thought it would be. The exhaust tune is clear but not too deep. The engine revs quickly and smoothly.
I checked the control's and mirrors first. Clutch and brake levers easy and comfortable. Mirrors were in a little too much but I wasn't going to be worried about what was behind me.
Started the bike and 'clicked ' into gear. Beautiful! Let out the clutch and rolled out of the parking lot and down the side street to the main road. Brakes were good but turn signal difficult to cancel. Just need practice.
Once on the main road I rolled on the throttle. Marvellous! Smooth, smooth motor. Transmission is so awesome!!
I rode the bike to the next little town and looped a round a bout and headed back. Light, easy handling, smooth , expensive.
I like the bike a lot. The Bobber's bars are cool but the front tire is too fat for my taste. I didn't test ride that one.
Tom
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The engine is sweet!
Sounds like the factory should put the V9 motor in the current V7 platforms too. A V9 Stornello, a V9 Racer, a V9 Special?
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V9 LeMans.. :evil: although I have one too many motorcycles now. :smiley:
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Tom, I am glad the ergonomics fit for you. Obviously the Roamer must be test ridden before a decision is made. I can - after my experience with this bike - only emphasize this necessity.
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A scrambler or mild enduro with this mill would be nice. Because the throttle response is so clear and defined.
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It is definitely not possible to leave the seat and stand up. This is something I do relatively often on my bike. The V9 does not allow to simply stand up as the pegs are nearly below the handles. Because of the relative position of pegs and handles and the low seat you sit a bit leaned backwards. The wind does not make it better. Another arrangement of the handlebar (lower, perhaps different risers) could make it better. But you sit very near the bar.
As someone who easily stands on a mid mount Sportster, and who has stood from the saddle of an RK, color me sceptical of this one.
If it's true it's the result of different physical rider sizes and/or the bars must come ridiculously far back.
Guess I'll find out for myself eventually.
Then again the Bobber is more my thing anyway.
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A little sad to see the first couple of ride reports from wg members somewhat confirming some of the handling reports of journos. Yes, it's a cruiser but usually Guzzi cruisers are actually praised for their surprisingly great handling. I'm not sure whether to attribute this fact to these getting compared more to the new Bonnies or even the V7 rather (2 standars) than say a Bolt or 883 which are maybe(?) closer in comparison as per what it is?
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A little sad to see the first couple of ride reports from wg members somewhat confirming some of the handling reports of journos. Yes, it's a cruiser but usually Guzzi cruisers are actually praised for their surprisingly great handling. I'm not sure whether to attribute this fact to these getting compared more to the new Bonnies or even the V7 rather (2 standars) than say a Bolt or 883 which are maybe(?) closer in comparison as per what it is?
I think we're testing different reports or bringing in preconceptions with us cause I'm not hearing what you're hearing in the OP's or especially AZguzzi's ride report.
AZ said nothing negative.
Fossil just said he could feel a difference with the large front wheel and that he scraped in a tight turn. And even then I wonder about technique (shifting weight etc since he seems to have some ergonomic incompatibilities.
<shrug>
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V9 LeMans.. :evil: although I have one too many motorcycles now. :smiley:
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29.5 in. (750 mm), on Bobber 29.3 in. (745 mm)
What I figured. This has been the trend for quite a while now, low seating positions. In other words, great for someone with a 30" inseam (about 5' 8" tall).
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I think we're testing different reports or bringing in preconceptions with us cause I'm not hearing what you're hearing in the OP's or especially AZguzzi's ride report.
AZ said nothing negative.
Fossil just said he could feel a difference with the large front wheel and that he scraped in a tight turn. And even then I wonder about technique (shifting weight etc since he seems to have some ergonomic incompatibilities.
<shrug>
You are correct about AZ' post. I went back and read it; however, something did stick out when I read AZ' comments again. Five miles total. No offense to him but it would seem Fossil got to spend a good amount more time on the bike and he can comment directly to his own V7.
But, as you say, preconceived notions work both ways. How can you say you don't hear what I'm hearing when further down in this thread Fossil says he went back and rode his V7 on the very same roads and it felt much more "nimble and agile"???
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Kev, you are right about the incompatibility of the Roamer and me. The V7 Stone fits perfectly. The Harley Sportster 1200 CA (mid-mount pegs) for example is very different from the roamer. It is longer, much more comfortable for me. I have room enough and can easily stand up here. On the Roamer there is simply not enough room for me as the bars are very near my body. I think it could be done but it would be very uncomfortable to do so. And then: between your knees you would have the sharp edges of the tank. Not the flat surfaces (at my bike additional with the tank pads) of the V7 - tank.
The Roamer is simply not built for such things - likewise "normal" Sportsters, Bolts and the like. Nothing wrong with that. There are enough people out there who love bikes like this one. And in its field the bike is extraordinarily nice. Only I don�t regard it as a "standard", as a "universal motorcycle". This role is filled by the V7.
As I wrote in AZ�s thread: you should ride it and make your own decision about this bike. I came with the preconception that the V9 Roamer in a way is the successor of the V7. In this form it is not. It is something different for a different sort of rider. I regard this a good thing.
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It is something different for a different sort of rider. I regard this a good thing.
Agreed. When I first saw the V9 I wondered why they were competing with themselves (V7) for market share.
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Wann es moeglich ist, kaufe ich dieses Motorrad!😎
If it is possible I will buy this motorcycle.
Tom
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A scrambler or mild enduro with this mill would be nice. Because the throttle response is so clear and defined.
I'm glad you said "scrambler" with a lower case s and not "Scrambler" with an upper case S. Evidently there is a big distinction on this board.
Good ride report. Glad to hear this engine is a significant upgrade; not surprised. The Roamer has a large dia. front wheel and much less so in the rear. This will not bode well for canyon carving. The Bobber sounds much better with same dia wheels. Your legs fit very much underneath this tank as I see it. Standing up regardless of peg position would seem to be very difficult. I'm interested in a Bobber report next.
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Are those 'bad-looking' pipes double-walled? Appear much larger in diameter than those on the V7 models.
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They are double-walled. The time of blue manifolds are gone...sight! There can be no doubt: the craftmanship of this thing oozes quality. I could not find one thing that was not first class - the armatures, all the fittings, the wheels, the hand gear,.....
Only LED - light is missing.
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I am 6'+ and I don't like to be cramped when riding. The V9 gives me the leg room I want and a comfortable seat. I am cramped when riding my EV because of where the foot controls are. The Roamer is wonderfully comfortable ergonomicly.
I would like some kind of luggage option and a windscreen too. After those get fitted I'll tour Europe like a gypsy!😁
Tom
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I am 6'+ and I don't like to be cramped when riding. The V9 gives me the leg room I want and a comfortable seat. I am cramped when riding my EV because of where the foot controls are. The Roamer is wonderfully comfortable ergonomicly.
I would like some kind of luggage option and a windscreen too. After those get fitted I'll tour Europe like a gypsy!😁
Tom
In other words, the pegs are mounted forward to help with the old bent-knee syndrome?
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The difference could be that I am what we call in German "Sitzriese" - long upper body, long arms. I have thought about an example how to describe my position on the Roamer, and I came out with this one: Imagine a VW Beetle (the real one, not this modern thing). Imagine you want to put 4 fullgrown people into that car. Then the driver has to shove his seat very near to the wheel so that his arms are overly bent. I think this describes my position. And this is why I wrote I sat leaned backwards. For me the pegs are definitely too much forward.
My knees were bent on the V7 slightly too much. The higher gel seat cured that exactly right.
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...I came with the preconception that the V9 Roamer in a way is the successor of the V7. In this form it is not. It is something different for a different sort of rider. I regard this a good thing.
:1: I think a lot of us were under that impression. This sounds like good news to me, in that hopefully, regardless of V7 Euro 4 compliance, we'll get to see other iterations of the 850 engine.
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The difference could be that I am what we call in German "Sitzriese" - long upper body, long arms.
Of course German's would "have a word for it" but I'd have expected 4-6 more syllables.
It's unfortunate that more "evaluators" don't elaborate upon their own physicality in describing a test-ride or drive. Seems so very important a factor.
Todd.
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That�s simple. Normal height (1,8 m), normal weight (80 kg with biker�s gear, but without helmet). And yes, I could not find an english word for "Sitzriese". "Seat giant" would be the wording in English.
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They are double-walled. The time of blue manifolds are gone...sight! There can be no doubt: the craftmanship of this thing oozes quality. I could not find one thing that was not first class - the armatures, all the fittings, the wheels, the hand gear,.....
Only LED - light is missing.
Did you find any sign of grease any where??
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Grease? That thing was brand-new! It is as clean as my Stone is for 3 years now.
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Did you find any sign of grease any where??
That's hilarious!!!!!
He's talking about if Luigi did his job btw.
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Grease? That thing was brand-new! It is as clean as my Stone is for 3 years now.
I was asking if there was any sign that Luigi applied grease to the bearing and other grease appropriate areas. MG is known for making thousands of bikes, and having only a very small tube of grease in the factory. LOL
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If anyone knows how to apply lube its Matt!
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If anyone knows how to apply lube its Matt!
Hmmmm... is there something we should know?? HA
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I like the front end of the Roamer with the back end of the Bobber.
I'd call it the Robber. :undecided:
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I like the front end of the Roamer with the back end of the Bobber.
I'd call it the Robber. :undecided:
Rumor has it that Stephen Adams still doesn't fit :shocked:
Dusty
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I like the front end of the Roamer with the back end of the Bobber.
I'd call it the Robber. :undecided:
I like the tank of the V7 Stone, the hard parts of the Roamer, and yeah, I kinda dig the tires on the Bobber. Put those together and call it a Boner? I've really got a boner for the Boner. :boozing:
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But, as you say, preconceived notions work both ways. How can you say you don't hear what I'm hearing when further down in this thread Fossil says he went back and rode his V7 on the very same roads and it felt much more "nimble and agile"???
The V7 being "more nimble and agile" doesn't necessarily equate to the Roamer or Bobber being horrible.
It's too subjective a description and it depends too much on Fossil's tastes, perceptions, hell his physical size plays a part, the ergos play a part, things that are changeable like bars or tire size/type all play a part. Shyte raise the rear an inch or drop the forks in the trees and it changes.
Nah, I'm not only not hearing what you're hearing, I'm not caring if I do.
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I like the tank of the V7 Stone, the hard parts of the Roamer, and yeah, I kinda dig the tires on the Bobber. Put those together and call it a Boner? I've really got a boner for the Boner. :boozing:
I would definitely NOT suggest standing up on the pegs while riding the Boner with a boner!
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I like the tank of the V7 Stone, the hard parts of the Roamer, and yeah, I kinda dig the tires on the Bobber. Put those together and call it a Boner? I've really got a boner for the Boner. :boozing:
A V7 seat and fuel tank should bolt right onto a V9.
Be sure to add white walls to the fat tires, and paint the fuel tank with bass boat metal flake. That would complete the look.
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The acceleration is brisk. MUCH stronger than that of my 37 kW V7. It follows the throttle absolut directly. But this means that it runs into the limiter all the time. And then there is that nasty little red light in the instrument... And this bike is brand-new. It has not loosened up in any way. Following an accelerating Ducati Scrambler was no problem at all.
This can't be good for a new bike, can you explain that a little further
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Dangit. You are correct. Understand this is not easy for me, but I cede my point. My bad. Btw, you are brilliant, BP. Your initial post that only said Fossil's comments are similar to what other reviewers have stated is/was spot on. It's just that I don't think those comments about the bike's handling can be applied to anyone beyond those same reviewers
Oh geez, Kev. No need to be so gracious. But thanks. :boozing:
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The red light I mentioned was indicating overrevving. Please remember it has no tachometer (funny! in German the tachometer indicates the absolute velocity of the vehicle...). The bike really has a good acceleration. A yellow light indicates the working of the antislip. It could be seen fairly often.
Interesting: yesterday I again was at my dealer to order some small parts from Guzzi Garage for my V7. There I met some riders in my age (about 60 and a bit older) who just returned from a testride with the Roamer. They were Harley - owners (Road King and the like). And they were looking for something smaller, more agile, but still - well - not "normal", but valuable in a way . They were very pleased with the Roamer.
For information: This http://www.fsz-lueneburg.de/adac/mehr-ueber-uns-trainingsanlage.htm is the track on which we could test the bikes. We used different parts and directions at each lap. What you can�t see: at the "9" there is a hill that must be crossed. And at the "10" my bike had the nice scraping sound...
Fun! And it�s only 8 minutes from my home!
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The red light I mentioned was indicating overrevving. Please remember it has no tachometer (funny! in German the tachometer indicates the absolute velocity of the vehicle...). The bike really has a good acceleration. A yellow light indicates the working of the antislip. It could be seen fairly often.
Interesting: yesterday I again was at my dealer to order some small parts from Guzzi Garage for my V7. There I met some riders in my age (about 60 and a bit older) who just returned from a testride with the Roamer. They were Harley - owners (Road King and the like). And they were looking for something smaller, more agile, but still - well - not "normal", but valuable in a way . They were very pleased with the Roamer.
Hey Fossil, do you feel like the Roamer's 850 engine had significantly stronger roll on than your V7? How did the Roamer's engine feel at say highway speeds as compared with your V7?
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A yellow light indicates the working of the antislip. It could be seen fairly often.
I learned that, every time the bike is started, the antislip is automatically regulated in "2" mode, that's the more active.
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The V7 in comparison (!) seems to react a bit delayed to my throttle inputs in the immediate comparison. The V9 reminds me of much stronger bikes (I e.g. had a Ducati Monster 1200 from my dealer for 2 days). I don�t want to claim the Roamer is nearly as strong as the (wonderful) Monster. But the way how it reacts is comparable in the character. Both Guzzis are stable at speeds around 140 km/h. The V7 has advantage here because of the more forward-orientated seating, the Roamer because of he bigger front wheel.
The V9 engine felt more "modern" than that of the smaller Guzzi. It reacted faster, the sound contains less mechanical sound, but seems to be a bit sterile. Don�t get me wrong here: it still sounds phantastic.
"I learned that, every time the bike is started, the antislip is automatically regulated in "2" mode, that's the more active." This can absolutely be. I had no time to get into the particulars of the operation of these aids, as we took of as soon I said that I wanted to participate in the test ride.
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Oh geez, Kev. No need to be so gracious. But thanks. :boozing:
Actually for the record it's very easy for me to cede my point....
...on the rare occasion a worthy counter argument is put forth. :boozing:
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Actually for the record it's very easy for me to cede my point....
...on the rare occasion a worthy counter argument is put forth. :boozing:
:laugh: :thumb: Notice here that you do not deny that I am brilliant.
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:laugh: :thumb: Notice here that you do not deny that I am brilliant.
You did get rid of a smallblock? I'll let those facts speak for themselves.
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Rumor has it that Stephen Adams still doesn't fit :shocked:
Dusty
Yeah well, 7 foot 14 or summit. :grin: Thunder doing ok I see too.
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Yeah well, 7 foot 14 or summit. :grin: Thunder doing ok I see too.
The Thunder probably aren't going to win it all , but have had a good season . Stephen has become
a spokesman for a bank here and uses lots of Kiwi slang , subtitles are employed , it is truly amusing :laugh: :laugh: His appearance would indicate he is going feral :shocked: :grin:
Dusty
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The V7 in comparison (!) seems to react a bit delayed to my throttle inputs in the immediate comparison. The V9 reminds me of much stronger bikes (I e.g. had a Ducati Monster 1200 from my dealer for 2 days). I don�t want to claim the Roamer is nearly as strong as the (wonderful) Monster. But the way how it reacts is comparable in the character. Both Guzzis are stable at speeds around 140 km/h. The V7 has advantage here because of the more forward-orientated seating, the Roamer because of he bigger front wheel.
I have exactly the same experience with my stock V65 engine making 38 rwhp against the 44 rwhp modified engine. Though you might say it's only about 15% difference, it's reaction to throttle and "BIG" feeling characteristic is pretty substantial. That is about exactly the difference with these two power plants. This should be a hoot of an engine.