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Marelli starter brushes
« on: April 19, 2024, 12:48:05 PM »
I am disassembling and cleaning the starter for my 1969 Ambassador. The brushes are well worn and need to be replaced. Does anyone know where I can source these? Perhaps someone has a Fiat part number. The starter is a Magneti Marelli MT 40H- 0.7HP 12V. Thanks, Tim
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Re: Marelli starter brushes
« Reply #1 on: April 19, 2024, 04:55:42 PM »
FWIW, years back, when I used to be able to get the Marellis done, my rebuilder couldn't find any brushes, with any ease at least. Instead, he found ones that were close and "cut them down". This worked well. I suspect the metal can be manipulated fairly well. Over time, I don't really recall seeing any out there on the market. So you might consider the modify something existing gig.

As an aside, pay close attention to the condition of the armature. It will "twist", causing the small lamination pieces to come loose, or be possibly lost. At some point, the armature windings can contact the laminations, and cause a momentary short out of the unit. And in many instances, this won't present itself on the bench, rather only under load. If you see the laminations not perfectly inline with each other, (this will be at the front end of the arm), that's evidence of said twisting. Ultimately, I quit having the Marellis rebuilt, as the one place I found domestically to reman the armatures, went out of business. Even when I could get the armatures rebuilt, we were seeing maybe two or three of every ten being usable in a rebuilt starter, and of those remaining, maybe half of the armatures were possible to be rebuilt. 

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Re: Marelli starter brushes
« Reply #2 on: April 19, 2024, 07:00:22 PM »
IIRC, my auto electric guys use Lucas starter brushes. Have a look on ebay, there seems to be quite a few listed.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/184119617893
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Re: Marelli starter brushes
« Reply #3 on: April 19, 2024, 08:10:01 PM »
IIRC, my auto electric guys use Lucas starter brushes.

Wouldn't surprise me. Good rebuilders can make just about anything work, or find something that will. They're worth their weight in gold. I checked with my guy, the brushes he modified were for Motorola units.

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Re: Marelli starter brushes
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Re: Marelli starter brushes
« Reply #4 on: April 19, 2024, 09:41:23 PM »
The measurement of the brushes are 7mm x 13.5mm x approx 20mm. I think I will end up having to customize some brushes of a similar thickness. I appreciate the input.
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Re: Marelli starter brushes
« Reply #5 on: April 20, 2024, 07:30:19 AM »
I used a local auto generator alternator repair shop…still a few around. Fortunately for me he had handled repairs for a few guzzi cop bikes. Hand rewound the coil something something for me

I believe MGCycle maybe others had an exchange program…send them your non running one and they ship a previously rebuilt one

Just checked MGCycle..didn’t see any exchange…however they list an alternate complete starter for $120…about what I paid for a rebuilt

They do have bosch brushes
https://www.mgcycle.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=37_159&products_id=316
« Last Edit: April 20, 2024, 07:35:37 AM by chuck peterson »
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