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Re: Anyone have time on both a V7III and V85TT?
« Reply #30 on: March 10, 2023, 06:07:26 AM »
Interesting thread and I guess more than a few people are about to call BS on me here.  I recently obtained my 2nd test ride on a V85TT.  Granted, test rides were on bikes that had less than 200 miles so they were not greatly broken in so much.  This all being said, my former Roamer, lighter but supposedly less power, felt more at ease doing highway speeds of 75-80 than the V85TT.  The V85TT felt a lot more punchy in basic city riding and such, especially when you revved it out.  But on the highway at a steady 75, the Roamer engine just felt more relaxed.  That’s my impression from those specific demo bikes I rode.  Just saying.   :grin:
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Re: Anyone have time on both a V7III and V85TT?
« Reply #31 on: March 10, 2023, 06:12:03 AM »
BP:  It is not completely surprising.  The V9 sat lower and had pure street tires.  There was plenty of oomph on that bike too with the difference not really being noticed between the two until pushing the bikes pretty hard.  My 85 started off feeling very good and only improved a little over time unlike German bikes I have owned.
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Re: Anyone have time on both a V7III and V85TT?
« Reply #32 on: March 10, 2023, 06:26:34 AM »
Interesting thread and I guess more than a few people are about to call BS on me here.  I recently obtained my 2nd test ride on a V85TT.  Granted, test rides were on bikes that had less than 200 miles so they were not greatly broken in so much.  This all being said, my former Roamer, lighter but supposedly less power, felt more at ease doing highway speeds of 75-80 than the V85TT.  The V85TT felt a lot more punchy in basic city riding and such.  That’s my impression from those specific demo bikes I rode.  Just saying.   :grin:

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Re: Anyone have time on both a V7III and V85TT?
« Reply #33 on: March 11, 2023, 08:32:53 AM »
I had a V7 III for a couple years then went for the V85TT. It's noticeably more powerful than the 750cc III but the main thing for me is the longer travel, plusher suspension. For the mixed surface riding I do the V85 suspension, 19" front wheel and ride modes make a huge difference.
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Re: Anyone have time on both a V7III and V85TT?
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Re: Anyone have time on both a V7III and V85TT?
« Reply #34 on: March 11, 2023, 09:11:42 AM »
Same here vs the V7 II I had, only more so I imagine. I'm not sure how the suspension compares between a V7II, V7III, and V7 850 but the suspension on a V85 is FAR nicer than a V7II. My 21 V85TT has noticeably more torque and power than the V7II everywhere, from bottom to top. I'd think a V85 and V7 850 would have similar performance with the 850 having less power but also less weight. I've not seen a gearing comparison between the V7 850 and V85TT, I assume the V85 has a lower FD ratio?
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Re: Anyone have time on both a V7III and V85TT?
« Reply #35 on: March 11, 2023, 09:45:44 AM »
No v7 will have the power of the v85 unless you turbo it.
No amount of $$$ will give you the suspension of the v85. Case closed!
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Re: Anyone have time on both a V7III and V85TT?
« Reply #36 on: March 11, 2023, 10:13:39 AM »
I will give you the suspension of the two style bikes are operating in different time zones.  However Vagrant, the new v7 has the same motor as the v85, be it tuned differently.  The v7 claimed hp is something like 10-13 less than the 85.  And I would expect the 85 to be quicker, but by how much? 
I’d like to see some side by side comparison, like we used to get before the internet destroyed print magazines.    I realize the op wasn’t asking about the v7 850, but Vagrant’s comment got me wondering.
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Re: Anyone have time on both a V7III and V85TT?
« Reply #37 on: March 11, 2023, 10:57:34 AM »
for those looking for more performance, I reopened  this thread to advise of Wiseco big bore kit..
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Re: Anyone have time on both a V7III and V85TT?
« Reply #38 on: March 11, 2023, 01:38:40 PM »
No v7 will have the power of the v85 unless you turbo it.
No amount of $$$ will give you the suspension of the v85. Case closed!

Har Har.   :grin:  I’m calling Hyperbole!   :grin:
The V7III makes 48 hp at the rear wheel and 44.3 torque at 4800 rpm pushing a bike that is about 425lbs wet.  The V85TT makes 68 hp and 48 torque higher in the rev range at 5300, this pushing a bike that weighs 504lbs wet.  It’s 20 more horsepower higher up and moving a bike that weighs 80lbs more.  Throw on your big ol TT boxes and that’s going to look more like 100lbs more.  Those aren’t turbo differences, especially when riding on the street. 
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Re: Anyone have time on both a V7III and V85TT?
« Reply #39 on: March 11, 2023, 02:00:09 PM »
I put 9000 miles on a 2018 V7iii with Agostinis and a Beetle tune. I have 14000 on my V85. It has a Y pipe, Mistrel no cat exhaust, Vtwin boost dongle and SAS delete. The V85 beats a iii throughout the rpm range They are closest up  to 3500 rpm then it's game over the V85 continues pulling much harder all the way to redline. The V7 runs out of steam at 6000_6500.

As for the V7 850, I'll let ya know. Picking one up from Cadre Friday!  :thumb:

Don't misunderstand,I really liked the iii and would have no problem owning another one,but there is pretty big difference. YMMV  :popcorn:
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Re: Anyone have time on both a V7III and V85TT?
« Reply #40 on: March 11, 2023, 02:05:27 PM »
Congratulations Chethro, what V7?
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Re: Anyone have time on both a V7III and V85TT?
« Reply #41 on: March 11, 2023, 02:20:55 PM »
Or just to throw some sand in the gears............yo u could wait for the new Stelvio, based on the V100 engine. But that could be another year or two away.
I have a V7III Special, Agostinis, Conti tires, Hagon Nitro shocks.......and love the damn thing. But I ride solo......wife won't even go down the street with me. I find it has plenty of real world power and I love the handling. Keep it between 4 and 6,500 and all is well in the world. I test rode the V85 and really liked it overall, a bit more power....noticeable but not huge, greater suspension travel of course, spot on handling. I liked it a lot, but not the seat, and overall not more than my V Strom 650. For my light touring and 5 day trips I think the V Strom is better, if a bit boring. I am waiting for a V100 or a Stelvio, which will be my last bike before retirement......exc ept maybe a Trail 125.
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Re: Anyone have time on both a V7III and V85TT?
« Reply #42 on: March 11, 2023, 02:32:08 PM »
....I am waiting for a V100 or a Stelvio, which will be my last bike before retirement......except maybe a Trail 125.
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Re: Anyone have time on both a V7III and V85TT?
« Reply #43 on: March 11, 2023, 02:35:03 PM »
Nah, still rather have the Trail 125....think I might do the NY State BDR on it......would be a hoot!
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Re: Anyone have time on both a V7III and V85TT?
« Reply #44 on: March 11, 2023, 04:21:29 PM »
Turns out the person that won the Cadre Stone raffle bike didn't want it so Enzo made me a good deal on it and I snapped it up. Picking it up next weekend. Going to turn it into a V7-850 carbon dark replica minus the carbon.    :grin:
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Re: Anyone have time on both a V7III and V85TT?
« Reply #45 on: March 11, 2023, 04:46:43 PM »
My advice, since nobody asked, don’t wait till next year.  The time comes, usually too fast for most of us, when tomorrow either doesn’t show up, or shows up with an entirely different agenda.
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Re: Anyone have time on both a V7III and V85TT?
« Reply #46 on: March 11, 2023, 05:16:44 PM »
I will give you the suspension of the two style bikes are operating in different time zones.  However Vagrant, the new v7 has the same motor as the v85, be it tuned differently.  The v7 claimed hp is something like 10-13 less than the 85.  And I would expect the 85 to be quicker, but by how much? 
I’d like to see some side by side comparison, like we used to get before the internet destroyed print magazines.    I realize the op wasn’t asking about the v7 850, but Vagrant’s comment got me wondering.

Wrong! Same block and bore. Guts are diffrent. Covered many times here. Search.
Remember when Chevy had a 327 with 250 hp and the same block in a Corvette with 375 hp? Same thing here!
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Re: Anyone have time on both a V7III and V85TT?
« Reply #47 on: March 11, 2023, 06:10:59 PM »
.....a bike cannot be both better and boring.  Boring is the death of better, just MHO of course.
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Re: Anyone have time on both a V7III and V85TT?
« Reply #48 on: March 12, 2023, 09:35:06 AM »
Hello, I have purchased recently a 2021 V7 850 Special as well as a 2022 V85TT Travel/Centenario (Travel with Centinario body panels changed out as well as seat) this allowed me to get all the extra options of the travel version with the beauty of the Centinario color; I enjoy both of them; the V7 is a little more of a sporty ride; while the V85 is more of a planted longer distance ride. Take care, John.




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Re: Anyone have time on both a V7III and V85TT?
« Reply #49 on: March 12, 2023, 01:36:35 PM »
As of last summer, I now own both a V7III, and a V85TT.

LOVE RIDING BOTH!

For me the V7III is more comfortable ergonomically, but the V85TT can be ridden much faster through the curves.  More confidence inspiring.

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Re: Anyone have time on both a V7III and V85TT?
« Reply #50 on: March 12, 2023, 02:10:03 PM »
Last summer I rented a V85TT for two weeks riding in northern Italy and a friend rented the V7 III. My friend is short guy and the V7III  fitted him well. I swapped bikes a bit but after riding the TT. I sure liked it a lot more than the V7. I found the TT much more comfortable, we rode mostly secondary roads, lots and lots of curves. The V7 was real nice up to 65 mph, after that it seemed a bit weak. On the AutoStrada I found the V7 to be lacking. For short rides of a couple hours the V7 was ok but not for any long touring IMHO.
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Re: Anyone have time on both a V7III and V85TT?
« Reply #51 on: March 14, 2023, 06:38:01 AM »
Wrong! Same block and bore. Guts are diffrent. Covered many times here. Search.
Remember when Chevy had a 327 with 250 hp and the same block in a Corvette with 375 hp? Same thing here!

Yup v85 has very different internals and ECU to include throttle body. The New V7 and V9 850s are basically the same engine wise though.

I’ve yet to ride a new v7 850, not really interested. My V7ii Stornello TT is great.

One day I will return it to the stock scrambler setup, but will keep in current TT mode till I decide to upgrade to a v85, new Stelvio, or the just announced Buell adventure touring bike.

The new V85 in the blue and white with red frame looks great to my eye. Still not a fan of the throttle by wire system or digital dash, but resistance is futile if you want a current bike it seems.



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Re: Anyone have time on both a V7III and V85TT?
« Reply #52 on: March 14, 2023, 07:07:05 AM »
.....a bike cannot be both better and boring.  Boring is the death of better, just MHO of course.

I understand the sentiment, but have to disagree on this. But that is why there those that prefer chocolate or vanilla. That stretched out V Strom fits me better, has plusher suspension for the road and dirt road riding. And it has an overall smoother engine. And that is where the boring comes in. I MUCH prefer the V7 or V85 engine for fun and character, but not for those 8 hour days. And the Strom has a really harsh vibration at around 5,000 that is most annoying, so I avoid cruising at that rpm. Plus I own it and it is paid for!
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Re: Anyone have time on both a V7III and V85TT?
« Reply #53 on: March 14, 2023, 07:14:06 AM »
My RK is supposed to be going to a new home soon.

I am going to try and survive with only one personal bike (and access to two more).

But I can't help but keep looking at a used Roamer listed for a pittance in a nearby state.

I know I don't need it.

But but but but but ...

(I still don't want/like the V85, it's not the motor or bike for me).
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Re: Anyone have time on both a V7III and V85TT?
« Reply #54 on: March 14, 2023, 07:55:01 AM »
My RK is supposed to be going to a new home soon.

I am going to try and survive with only one personal bike (and access to two more).

But I can't help but keep looking at a used Roamer listed for a pittance in a nearby state.

I know I don't need it.

But but but but but ...

(I still don't want/like the V85, it's not the motor or bike for me).

5499 for that Roamer is a good deal.   :evil:

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Re: Anyone have time on both a V7III and V85TT?
« Reply #55 on: March 14, 2023, 07:59:35 AM »
I had a 2016 v711, currently 2022 V85tt no complaints on either except the suspension on the v7 was awful for now the V85tt does everything I want it to do. ( Hey Kev Kissell motor sports in Tyrone Pa had a roamer listed on there website maybe that’s the one your referring to not sure if it’s still available )
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Re: Anyone have time on both a V7III and V85TT?
« Reply #56 on: March 14, 2023, 08:14:22 AM »
My RK is supposed to be going to a new home soon.

I am going to try and survive with only one personal bike (and access to two more).

But I can't help but keep looking at a used Roamer listed for a pittance in a nearby state.

I know I don't need it.

But but but but but ...

(I still don't want/like the V85, it's not the motor or bike for me).

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Re: Anyone have time on both a V7III and V85TT?
« Reply #57 on: March 14, 2023, 08:23:26 AM »
I'm a little nervous about the sale.

I actually forgot I had it listed and had convinced myself I was going to be happy keeping it when I got a phone call out of the blue.

But I really could use the room in the garage and I really DON'T need that much touring capability in my life in the foreseeable future.

Still it's the biggest, most capable, comfortable bike I own and I'll be giving that up.

Part of me wonders if that Roamer might not fit the bill a little better than my MKI V7. But I definitely don't want to get rid of my V7.

And I can't get rid of the other two cause they're Jenn's.

And if I get rid of the RK only to replace it immediately (even with something only half its size) I haven't really gained any room in the garage which is one of my stated purposes. And I haven't lightened the load on maintenance and rotation, which is another stated purpose. I dunno.

I guess I'm trying to talk myself out of making an offer on the Roamer (yes that's the one and it's the right color, and seemingly still available if the website is up to date).

Maybe I should just wait until the buyer actually picks up the RK hopefully later this month... and then see what happens. If I'm lucky the Roamer will be sold by then and I won't have to worry about it.


PS - yeah, I've also seen the new Bobber Sport at Xtreme as well. Same story....
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Re: Anyone have time on both a V7III and V85TT?
« Reply #58 on: March 14, 2023, 10:11:06 AM »
Well, I had to sell two bikes that I absolutely adored with our move west, garage space and all that, and not a day goes by that I kick myself about it.
That helps none I realize............ ... :evil:
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Re: Anyone have time on both a V7III and V85TT?
« Reply #59 on: March 14, 2023, 10:32:52 AM »
Well, I had to sell two bikes that I absolutely adored with our move west, garage space and all that, and not a day goes by that I kick myself about it.
That helps none I realize............ ... :evil:


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