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Re: B11/Norge Startus Interruptus-the MPH Solution
« Reply #60 on: September 05, 2011, 02:57:25 PM »
Stupid Questions 101:

I have identified where the female side goes but where does the male side plug into? And I assume the orange lead goes to the hot side of the bat-tree.
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Re: B11/Norge Startus Interruptus-the MPH Solution
« Reply #61 on: September 05, 2011, 03:19:07 PM »
The new cable goes between the old cable and the starter relay.  The extra lead goes to the positive terminal on the battery.
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Re: B11/Norge Startus Interruptus-the MPH Solution
« Reply #62 on: September 05, 2011, 03:20:05 PM »
Stupid Questions 101:

I have identified where the female side goes but where does the male side plug into? And I assume the orange lead goes to the hot side of the bat-tree.

Remove relay, plug relay into into female side of harness,  install male side of harness into bike connector.
Orange lead goes to battery positive.  


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Re: B11/Norge Startus Interruptus-the MPH Solution
« Reply #63 on: September 05, 2011, 03:24:08 PM »
Stupid Questions 101:

I have identified where the female side goes but where does the male side plug into? And I assume the orange lead goes to the hot side of the bat-tree.

Remove relay, plug relay into into female side of harness,  install male side of harness into bike connector.
Orange lead goes to battery positive.  
 

Got it. I knew it had to be simple. Thanks

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Re: B11/Norge Startus Interruptus-the MPH Solution
« Reply #63 on: September 05, 2011, 03:24:08 PM »

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Re: B11/Norge Startus Interruptus-the MPH Solution
« Reply #64 on: September 05, 2011, 10:37:16 PM »
Got mine the other day - looks nice.  Now to get the Norge fixed so I can install this.  I may add a fuse box while I have her apart.

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Re: B11/Norge Startus Interruptus-the MPH Solution
« Reply #65 on: September 05, 2011, 10:51:21 PM »
Are Stelvios prone to this problem, too?

It might help if you list all of the models for which this is a known problem.

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Re: B11/Norge Startus Interruptus-the MPH Solution
« Reply #66 on: September 16, 2011, 06:58:55 AM »
Would it be possible to send some of these ( maybe 4 -6, I will know for sure by the end of next week ) to Greece ?

How much would the cost be, including P & P ?


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Re: B11/Norge Startus Interruptus-the MPH Solution
« Reply #67 on: September 21, 2011, 12:46:32 AM »
Installing instructions come with the setup or do we have to figure out the connections ?

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Re: B11/Norge Startus Interruptus-the MPH Solution
« Reply #68 on: September 21, 2011, 04:54:48 AM »
As stated by Todd only a few posts up.
Remove relay, plug relay into into female side of harness,  install male side of harness into bike connector.
Orange lead goes to battery positive.

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Re: B11/Norge Startus Interruptus-the MPH Solution
« Reply #69 on: September 21, 2011, 07:02:10 AM »
As stated by Todd only a few posts up.
Remove relay, plug relay into into female side of harness,  install male side of harness into bike connector.
Orange lead goes to battery positive.


When I first took off the side panel, I had to figure out which relay was the correct one.  There are some photos in Kev M's how-to thread that will help.  If you haven't ever look at that set of relays, it might be overwhelming.  For instance, I didn't notice how the rubber strap fits over the tab until I looked closer with a bright light.

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Re: B11/Norge Startus Interruptus-the MPH Solution
« Reply #70 on: September 22, 2011, 11:00:54 PM »
Thank you !  ;-T

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Re: B11/Norge Startus Interruptus-the MPH Solution
« Reply #71 on: October 07, 2011, 11:26:13 AM »
got mine in the mail Wed.   ;D ;D ;D

Installed this morning, and it started.  ;-T

Now, only time will tell whether this will solve the problem or not, but at least I have eliminated this issue.  My Breva has had this issue very sporadically since new.  Only recently, has the issue come to the fore front.  Seems lately, every time I stop, I wonder am I going to get the click-click....  It has always started after a few tries, but still.

It was a very easy installation.  Once I found the relay it took seconds to connect.  Probably took longer to take the cover off the battery, disconnect the power lead, clean the terminals and put on the power lead than installing the harness from MPH.

So big  ;-T to MPH..

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Re: B11/Norge Startus Interruptus-the MPH Solution
« Reply #72 on: October 12, 2011, 10:44:39 AM »
Oldhead, would it be possible to post a photo of the "solution" installed, preferably a close one ?

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Re: B11/Norge Startus Interruptus-the MPH Solution
« Reply #73 on: October 12, 2011, 02:24:24 PM »
bilv7,


As you can see, the harness simply plugs in.  Seriously, just slide the relay off its support mount, unplug the relay, plug in MPH harness (color of wires match), plug in relay at female end of harness, run to battery and slide relay back into place..done and done...



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Re: B11/Norge Startus Interruptus-the MPH Solution
« Reply #74 on: October 13, 2011, 01:56:31 AM »
Thank you !!!!!  ;-T
This picture will be a lot of help !!!

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Re: B11/Norge Startus Interruptus-the MPH Solution
« Reply #75 on: October 15, 2011, 02:39:40 PM »
So I finally am getting around to installing this (I'm in the middle of moving, etc. so I haven't had much riding in the last few months).

Prior to install, I start the B1100 just to make sure things work.  I had already identified the right relay as far as I can tell from the wire colors, etc.

I plug in the MPH cable.  I attach the power lead to the battery.  Try to start.  Nothing.  Zilch.  Not even a click on the relay. 

So I put it back the way it was just a minute earlier.  This time SERVICE on the dash.  Turn key off/on.  I now get a dashboard error.  Sigh...

I clean all the battery connections.  With the MPH cable NOT in the system, I still cannot start the bike.  I hear the loud click of the solenoid (and feel the click in the relay).  But the starter won't start.

Now looking at the cable, it seems to be cross-wired.  The yellow and green wires are on the top in the left connector, but on the bottom on the right connector.  I would have expected them to flow through straight (other than the power wire).

Am I confused?  What I did mess up?  There is another 4 connector relay but those wires don't even come close in colors to the one I tried.  I tried to attach photos of the cable ends but the "upload folder is full".  I'll put them on another site and add a reply in a sec.
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Re: B11/Norge Startus Interruptus-the MPH Solution
« Reply #76 on: October 15, 2011, 02:46:32 PM »
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Re: B11/Norge Startus Interruptus-the MPH Solution
« Reply #77 on: October 15, 2011, 05:53:00 PM »
Two kits to me, Todd (Griso 8V & Norge 4V). Thanks for doing this, guys!
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Re: B11/Norge Startus Interruptus-the MPH Solution
« Reply #78 on: October 15, 2011, 06:45:15 PM »
I would like to purchase this solution.  Please message me when you are ready to ship for payment info.

Thanks for this guys.  My 06 Breva 1100 has had this starting issue, and I look forward to this permanent solution.

Jim

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Re: B11/Norge Startus Interruptus-the MPH Solution
« Reply #79 on: October 15, 2011, 08:32:26 PM »
Welcome to the world of small production runs..
Looks like the guy we subbed these out to missed a connection on assembly of a few units.
You are the third I have heard about.
It is a simple fix, or we can send you a replacement unit.
Call on Monday, Mike can walk you through it.
281-647-6557.

I thought we'd sell maybe 20 of these kits.
Sold over 50 so far, more supplies ordered.

Sorry for the hassle.
All the batch sent to Greece were QC'd to avoid any hassles, you should be good to go bilv7.
I have an instruction sheet printed, will post on Monday.

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Re: B11/Norge Startus Interruptus-the MPH Solution
« Reply #80 on: October 15, 2011, 10:22:11 PM »
Thanks.  I'll call on Monday.

Any idea why I'm having trouble with getting it started with everything back to stock?  Did I blow a fuse somewhere? (I haven't checked yet -- I'll do that in the morning)

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Re: B11/Norge Startus Interruptus-the MPH Solution
« Reply #81 on: October 16, 2011, 01:18:22 PM »
Here's an update to finish the story...

Checked all the fuses (all good), cleaned the battery connections, removed the battery overnight and put on BatteryTender, cleaned the ground connection by the starter, checked/cleaned the connections to the solenoid.  It now starts fine.  Either I didn't have enough juice left in the battery to spin the starter or the ECU was upset over getting 12v backfeed into the wrong connection.  Letting it sit overnight without the battery seems to have reset things OK.

I was able to flip the mis-wired connections but I didn't put in the new harness (I ran out of time and needed to stop).  I will keep an eye on things for odd service warnings/dashboard errors/etc.  I hope I didn't fry anything with the mis-wired version.

So everybody who hasn't installed theirs yet, check the wiring connections carefully.
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Re: B11/Norge Startus Interruptus-the MPH Solution
« Reply #82 on: October 16, 2011, 01:50:22 PM »
Mine was also mis-wired when I got it, but I have a tool that lets me slide the blades out of the block; so I rearranged the wires. I wasn't going to say anything, but I decided that you might want to know about it.
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Re: B11/Norge Startus Interruptus-the MPH Solution
« Reply #83 on: October 16, 2011, 03:32:58 PM »
PayPal funds sent. Thank you MPH Cycles!  ;-T

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Re: B11/Norge Startus Interruptus-the MPH Solution
« Reply #84 on: October 16, 2011, 08:46:23 PM »
OK, so now I'm curious as to what the correct pin placements are

Mine is wired as follows - looking at the connectors end on with the connector fitting a the bottom -

Male connector:                           Female Connector:

    Green                                      Orange   Green
    Yellow     Yellow/Brown               Yellow    Yellow/Brown
           Connector                               Connector


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Re: B11/Norge Startus Interruptus-the MPH Solution
« Reply #85 on: October 16, 2011, 09:19:18 PM »
I have some dental picks that used to push down the tabs and remove/reposition the male connectors.

jdg: Can't tell from you diagram on the orientation, but I'd move the green wire so it matches from the male to the female.

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Re: B11/Norge Startus Interruptus-the MPH Solution
« Reply #86 on: October 16, 2011, 10:26:31 PM »
Thanks, then it's correct as delivered.

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Re: B11/Norge Startus Interruptus-the MPH Solution
« Reply #87 on: October 18, 2011, 03:09:08 PM »
Welcome to the world of small production runs..
Looks like the guy we subbed these out to missed a connection on assembly of a few units.
You are the third I have heard about.
It is a simple fix, or we can send you a replacement unit.
Call on Monday, Mike can walk you through it.
281-647-6557.

I thought we'd sell maybe 20 of these kits.
Sold over 50 so far, more supplies ordered.

Sorry for the hassle.
All the batch sent to Greece were QC'd to avoid any hassles, you should be good to go bilv7.
I have an instruction sheet printed, will post on Monday.


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Re: B11/Norge Startus Interruptus-the MPH Solution
« Reply #88 on: October 23, 2011, 05:07:47 PM »
My Norge failed to start a few weeks ago and would continually blow one of the 15 amp fuses each time I pushed the starter button. Got the MPH Startus Interruptus and finally got it installed today. Bike fired right up and now all is well.

Thanks MPH for making these things and offering them so cheap. ;-T
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Re: B11/Norge Startus Interruptus-the MPH Solution
« Reply #89 on: November 11, 2011, 05:35:41 PM »
Just wanted to post an update since I installed MPH's solution.

Its been about 2 months, and I haven't experienced one incident since installation.  Nada, nothing, no clicks, starter works every time hot or cold.  I used to get the click a couple times a day, especially when hot, and sometimes when cold.

So big  ;-T ;-T ;-T ;-T ;-T to MPH..

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