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« Reply #120 on: May 20, 2021, 11:57:22 AM »
Most new dealers are chrome and glass places , styled like a Denny's restaurant and not a motorbike dealership .

 I really should qualify some of my previous statement , there are asshats in dealerships of all brands , and good knowledgeable people also . However, the idea that HD dealers are somehow "special" , filled with well informed enthusiasts while every other brand's dealers are manned with ignorant salespeople is simply not true . Heck , the two best parts persons I have ever encountered were ladies , one in the old Atlas Motorcycle Sales in Tulsa , a multiline BMW/Guzzi/Ducati/Triumph/MZ shop , and the other at Bentonville AR BMW . Sadly both shops are gone . Atlas had parts for motorbikes 30 and more years older in stock , something most modern dealers would find strange .

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Where are these so called chrome and glass dealerships?  I haven't seen any on my travels.  Are they mostly in the larger cities that I avoid like the plague?

The dealers I have stopped in at use a lot of rock and wood, or look like someone's amazing man cave garage. 





Sure don't look like chrome and glass to me, but then again I don't have preconceived notions based on 55 years of riding.   :boozing:
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« Reply #121 on: May 20, 2021, 12:03:31 PM »
 I give up .

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« Reply #122 on: May 20, 2021, 12:04:00 PM »
What are dealers supposed to do-even if they have competent sales people?
If they approach "lookers", they are pushy.  If not, it's "they ignored me".  I've been on both sides of the coin.  I'd let "lookers" know I was available if they needed me.  If not, have fun looking.  When at a shop,
I'd prefer some dimwit who knows less than nothing keep distance.  That said, every Guzzi shop (just Guzzi or maybe two makes) had folks who know their stuff.



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« Reply #123 on: May 20, 2021, 01:16:46 PM »
That said, every Guzzi shop (just Guzzi or maybe two makes) had folks who know their stuff.

That's when the generalizations I make break down.

The fly-by-night nature of a lot of Guzzi shops (or attempted shops) over the last few years have often left me with the impression of less than knowledgeable staff (be it sales or tech). But it shouldn't be a huge surprise when they are new to the brand, or when they are gone a few years later. Exceptions to the general rule probably, but also victims of Guzzis expansion criteria at different times.
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« Reply #124 on: May 20, 2021, 07:31:50 PM »
I should have been more specific.  was typing in a hurry.  modify to say every shop for Guzzi I HAVE experienced has had very knowledgeable staff.
My sample size is admittedly small, though.  How's that?  Should be clear now.
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« Reply #125 on: June 13, 2021, 06:18:15 PM »
So this happened!  My 69 FLH needed company.   :grin:



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« Reply #126 on: June 13, 2021, 06:24:57 PM »
That sounds like a good turn of events.  How do you like it?
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« Reply #127 on: June 13, 2021, 06:25:06 PM »
So this happened!  My 69 FLH needed company.   :grin:





This is awesome!!!

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« Reply #128 on: June 13, 2021, 09:14:25 PM »
So this happened!  My 69 FLH needed company.   :grin:





Congrats.  I saw that Ride Like a Pro Jerry Palladino now has two of them.  He bought one at the same time his wife bought one for him as a surprise.  LOL!

I sat on one at the dealer and found the seating position interesting.  They weren't allowing test rides. 
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« Reply #129 on: June 14, 2021, 08:22:19 AM »
I'd LOVE to get one of those-but it's a full year of college tuition.  Darn kids getting in the way again, mind.












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« Reply #130 on: June 14, 2021, 09:06:52 AM »
Swanson, why don't you come to the Dekalb Guzzi breakfast?
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« Reply #131 on: June 14, 2021, 09:25:31 AM »
Dave, I have a request.
After you’ve ridden the Retro, an amount of miles, that you have formed an in-depth opinion and observation, could you give us a review? I’d really love to hear a first hand account and opinion?
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« Reply #132 on: June 14, 2021, 11:03:29 AM »
https://www.harley-davidson.com/us/en/motorcycles/electra-glide-revival.html?source_cd=Email_0426_AprNLInsider&camp_id=16&CL_ID=12563067752&ext_tracking=992e9d7f359ef1675c94f4e2124b542ebd5dc300aa5e8b6bf2972ee491928a33

Modern version of the classic 1969 Electra Glide - only $29,199!!! :rolleyes: :shocked: :rolleyes: :shocked:







It is actually a modern version of the 62 Duo Glide which I believe is the first "74" dresser model that came looking like that. My 62 Duo Glide was stock baby blue with white bags and triple rails just like this one. Had a windshield but it looks nearly the same.
I sadly not longer have a picture of it. My ex-wife took the photo of that along with most everything else.  :laugh:
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« Reply #133 on: June 14, 2021, 11:24:13 AM »
Looks comfortable. Nice seat. It's good to see Harley getting away from the Willy G low seat uncomfortable legs way out in front position. Some would describe it in another manner but this is a family site.
 It looks like a police model with a nice seat and retro style bags. Still, it looks good. The add hinted at more models to follow.

You mean the willie G gynochological couch riding position? ;-)
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« Reply #134 on: June 14, 2021, 04:06:14 PM »
Swanson, why don't you come to the Dekalb Guzzi breakfast?

I made the March and May.  Slipped my mind this month.   :embarrassed:
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« Reply #135 on: June 14, 2021, 04:08:32 PM »
Dave, I have a request.
After you’ve ridden the Retro, an amount of miles, that you have formed an in-depth opinion and observation, could you give us a review? I’d really love to hear a first hand account and opinion?
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It's quite the normal HD touring frame experience.  The only thing slightly different is the police seat with shock absorber.  HD dressed up the stock police seat a bit for this Revival.   

Since I have quite a few miles on Road Kings, and an Ultra Classic I can say it has an identical feel.  Bag loads of torque right off idle and handles well for a Milwaukee road sofa.   :grin:
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« Reply #136 on: June 14, 2021, 04:12:19 PM »
I guess I need to ask more questions at breakfast.  I'm usually there, I'm the really tall guy, if you see me, don't hesitate to introduce yourself so I can say hello.
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« Reply #137 on: June 14, 2021, 04:16:05 PM »
I guess I need to ask more questions at breakfast.  I'm usually there, I'm the really tall guy, if you see me, don't hesitate to introduce yourself so I can say hello.

Will do.  Long overdue meet up!
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« Reply #138 on: June 14, 2021, 04:23:42 PM »
As cool looking as this bike is (IMO) it is an oddball.  No one who wants a HD touring frame bike for racking up big miles would intentionally choose this bike over the other common alternatives in the lineup.  The Road Glide, and Ultra Classic are much better equipped for long distance touring than this Revival.  Even the Road King priced at $10K less is more suitable as a touring mount than this is.

I would assume most Revival buyers will not be modifying them heavily with different seats, top boxes, lower fairing to turn it into a more capable touring bike.  I think most of them will be left essentially stock and ridden occasionally.

If I didn't have my 69 FLH, which I adore, I most likely wouldn't have purchased it. 
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« Reply #139 on: June 15, 2021, 06:44:57 AM »
As cool looking as this bike is (IMO) it is an oddball.  No one who wants a HD touring frame bike for racking up big miles would intentionally choose this bike over the other common alternatives in the lineup.  The Road Glide, and Ultra Classic are much better equipped for long distance touring than this Revival.  Even the Road King priced at $10K less is more suitable as a touring mount than this is.

I would assume most Revival buyers will not be modifying them heavily with different seats, top boxes, lower fairing to turn it into a more capable touring bike.  I think most of them will be left essentially stock and ridden occasionally.

If I didn't have my 69 FLH, which I adore, I most likely wouldn't have purchased it.

When I had my Road King, the first thing I did was remove the windscreen.  I bought it because I liked the ride of the touring platform much better than all the other offerings in Harley's lineup.  It was my backroads riding machine for all the 45 mph country roads in middle Tennessee.  I could see the Revival fitting that niche quite nicely for those who like a batwing and pogo seat.  I prefer to be low in the bike.






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« Reply #140 on: June 15, 2021, 09:35:30 AM »
When I had my Road King, the first thing I did was remove the windscreen.  I bought it because I liked the ride of the touring platform much better than all the other offerings in Harley's lineup.  It was my backroads riding machine for all the 45 mph country roads in middle Tennessee.  I could see the Revival fitting that niche quite nicely for those who like a batwing and pogo seat.  I prefer to be low in the bike.






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Though I get the pleasure of an RK on a back road without a windshield, the police seat really changes the bike in a couple of unforeseen ways.

The civilian seats sit lower, the nacelle blocks more wind but even then the seats are scooped out more to cup/hold you in place. So even though your feet aren't directly below you there's no real need to brace. But with the police seat you're sitting ~3" higher, with your legs much less bent and on a flatter surface that doesn't hold you as much. Once speeds rise up to say the 60+ range it starts to become work because you've got nothing to brace against. So it can still be a pleasure on a back-road but if you mix in some highway or faster roads to the same ride you may wish you had the shield.

I was originally going to swap out the police seat right away, but just the ride home changed my mind. It's a wonderful perch for may reasons from comfort to leg position to center of gravity to the extra suspension. It's a different bike in a lot of ways because of it.
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« Reply #141 on: June 16, 2021, 06:02:52 AM »
Though I get the pleasure of an RK on a back road without a windshield, the police seat really changes the bike in a couple of unforeseen ways.

The civilian seats sit lower, the nacelle blocks more wind but even then the seats are scooped out more to cup/hold you in place. So even though your feet aren't directly below you there's no real need to brace. But with the police seat you're sitting ~3" higher, with your legs much less bent and on a flatter surface that doesn't hold you as much. Once speeds rise up to say the 60+ range it starts to become work because you've got nothing to brace against. So it can still be a pleasure on a back-road but if you mix in some highway or faster roads to the same ride you may wish you had the shield.

I was originally going to swap out the police seat right away, but just the ride home changed my mind. It's a wonderful perch for may reasons from comfort to leg position to center of gravity to the extra suspension. It's a different bike in a lot of ways because of it.

I could never get the buffeting under control with the shield installed.  Riding without the shield on the interstate was a workout on the upper body which is not a bad thing if you are already in shape, but with the windshield installed it was brain rattling unless I wore a 1/2 helmet which I don't like to do on the interstate. 

When I go from the seat in the photos above that is now on my Road Glide to my Corbin Dual Tour winter seat the Road Glide feels like an entirely different ride, so I get the appeal of the police seat.





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« Reply #142 on: June 16, 2021, 06:12:23 AM »
I could never get the buffeting under control with the shield installed.  Riding without the shield on the interstate was a workout on the upper body which is not a bad thing if you are already in shape, but with the windshield installed it was brain rattling unless I wore a 1/2 helmet which I don't like to do on the interstate. 

When I go from the seat in the photos above that is now on my Road Glide to my Corbin Dual Tour winter seat the Road Glide feels like an entirely different ride, so I get the appeal of the police seat.







The stock police windshield is, iirc 22" tall and I could just see over it comfortably. For me there was almost no buffeting with it. But I switched to a wider, recurved at top, vented, shield from Clearview that is near perfect, even though slightly shorter. I then added fangs to the forks. Some add a little dished cover to the bottom of the lower triple tree too.

It's almost a complete dead pocket of air like that even without lowers. I suspect it would be completely still if I hadn't gotten a slightly shorter shield. But I like a little airflow in the summer anyway and it doesn't blur my vision even with a face shield. Most importantly I look completely over it and CAN see through it even at night. That last part is a big piece of my preference for a shield over a fairing.

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« Reply #143 on: June 16, 2021, 03:07:43 PM »
I too, think it's quite handsome as well! :thumb: :cool: :wink:  It even has a CHAIN, not a belt! :rolleyes: :shocked:
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« Reply #144 on: June 16, 2021, 10:13:58 PM »
You have to take half the bike apart to change the belt. No thanks, one of the many reasons I dumped my Twin Cam.
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I think they’re running out of old folks to buy these bikes...

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« Reply #146 on: June 17, 2021, 05:47:47 PM »
You have to take half the bike apart to change the belt. No thanks, one of the many reasons I dumped my Twin Cam.
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You do it when you are servicing the swingarm bearings.  Most go 100,000 miles or more when not abused.  Sorry you dumped your bike.  I would probably sell too if I couldn't hold it up anymore.  Not sure how the belt can be blamed for you dumping your bike though.  Did it skip a tooth on you?
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« Reply #147 on: June 17, 2021, 06:02:11 PM »
"..I think they’re running out of old folks to buy these bikes..."

 I don't think it is old folks who are buying.  I lived in Florida until last August and since Florida is a helmet optional state it was easy to see the demographic.
Most of the folks riding big twins were in their 30's and 40's. There were also a lot of females riding big twins.

I was up in camping at Two Wheels of Suches a few weekends ago and almost every group of Harley riders were 30-40 somethings. Yes there were some older and some younger.


At Bike week in Daytona (Geriatric week now) most of the demo riders that I saw were in a wide range of ages and by that I mean 20's to what appeared to be 50's.  I was one of the few older demo riders being over 60.
 
 This is just my experience and observation.

So Harley doesn't have much to worry about. Hey how about that new adventure bike? Looking to capture a different market share. Smart.
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« Reply #148 on: June 17, 2021, 09:04:05 PM »
You do it when you are servicing the swingarm bearings.  Most go 100,000 miles or more when not abused.  Sorry you dumped your bike.  I would probably sell too if I couldn't hold it up anymore.  Not sure how the belt can be blamed for you dumping your bike though.  Did it skip a tooth on you?
No, there were a lot of reasons. Couldn't stand all the unexplained noise, burnt inner thigh, terrible suspension, hard clutch lever pull, electronics acting wonky, do I need to go on? My MG is so much better. I was considering an M8 Low Rider, absolutely horrible handling, so bad it was scary. Build quality? Harleys look nice, good chrome and paint, but heat shields held on with hose clamps? Just one example. My Audace was thousands cheaper, no brainer. Much better motorcycle. Your experience maybe totally different but no more Harleys for me unless the MoCo makes a complete turnaround. MGs aren't perfect but much more enjoyable to ride and service.
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« Reply #149 on: June 17, 2021, 09:24:26 PM »
No, there were a lot of reasons. Couldn't stand all the unexplained noise, burnt inner thigh, terrible suspension, hard clutch lever pull, electronics acting wonky, do I need to go on? My MG is so much better. I was considering an M8 Low Rider, absolutely horrible handling, so bad it was scary. Build quality? Harleys look nice, good chrome and paint, but heat shields held on with hose clamps? Just one example. My Audace was thousands cheaper, no brainer. Much better motorcycle. Your experience maybe totally different but no more Harleys for me unless the MoCo makes a complete turnaround. MGs aren't perfect but much more enjoyable to ride and service.
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I really don't get this post.

Now I've only had 6 new Harleys and 4 new Guzzis.

But:

I've never had a Harley that was as hot and uncomfortable as my Breva 1100.

I've never had a Harley with a single wonky electrical problem. But my Jackal had ghosts, my Breva 1100 had a shit ECU and pinged like crazy until reflashed, on a cold start my V7 Stone still stutters like a 18 year old virgin at his prom, and my V7 Dark has a maintenance light that can't be turned off without the dealer tool. In contrast I can pull codes from my Harley on the dash, and my efit Harleys have start and run flawlessly every time.

My Harley clutches aren't girlie-soft but shit even my wife has never complained about the lever pull.

The M8 Softails handle really nicely, though compared with things like an 1100 Cali or 1400 Cali they might run out of clearance a little sooner but jebuz man the damn thing is called a "Low Rider" wake up and smell the suspension. There are other models with more clearance.

Heat Shields held on with hose clamps? That's an actual complaint? You can feel a pea under a stack of mattresses too right? Hmm, I seem to remember reading about a heat shield (ok technically the lining) on a Guzzi CATCHING FRICKIN FIRE recently. But by all means complain about the clamps.

Your Audace was thousands cheaper THEN WHAT?!? I could argue this either way, on the one side cheap often means well, cheap (as in, not as good). Or I could say then you're doing it wrong because my RK was pretty inexpensive.

Look you almost got it right at the end. All that matters is what YOU ENJOY and I don't fault you for it.

But then you had to add the "and service" thing in and brother that's screwed up. I find it much more enjoyable not to have to adjust valves. But that's me.

You do you.

Look I love my Guzzis. I'm just not gonna be all fanboy about em. And no, I'm not a Harley fanboy either because they're not perfect, but damn they are easy bikes to live with.
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