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Re: Aero engine rescue
« Reply #690 on: February 01, 2015, 12:29:31 AM »
<maniacal laugh> BWHAAAA.. IT'S ALIVE..  ;D
Toasted Luigi, punched the button, and it started as soon as it rolled over.  ;-T Intellectually, I *knew* it would.. all the parts are in it, <shrug> timing is spot on, new carbs, etc. but it still was a thrill. Just ran it a bit at 2000 rpm for the cam/lifter break in.. sounds bitchin.  ;D :BEER:
Unkept said he'd try to get a teaser video uploaded yet today. It'll take a while to edit the real video. For all that have hung in there, offered advice, kept me out of trouble, etc. thanks. Hope you've enjoyed the "long strange trip", too.  ;D


Congrats Chuck! I'm so thrilled this project turned out to be a success, I didn't doubt one minute you would make it one  :bow :bow :bow

The Lario lookes even better with the aero mill - not sure that was even possibel  :D   I can't for my life not understand why Piaggio/Guzzi isn't using that mill, or at least the head/piston design, in the V7. Have fun Chuck - I sure look forward to your ride report - I want to know how the aero Lario will give a guy even more fun, than the stock version. The stock version is already over the limit of what a guy is allowed to have - your own words Chuck  :D :BEER: :bow

Love the video - Joe put it on my Lario FB page  ;-T ;-T ;-T
« Last Edit: February 01, 2015, 12:51:41 AM by IceBlue »
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Re: Aero engine rescue
« Reply #691 on: February 01, 2015, 12:59:50 AM »
You're always welcome to stop in to the 36-18 B&B.  ;D No, the only Lario engine I have needs to be gone through. It's eaten a cam lobe, after all..

Wow - what's up with that Chuck ???  Don't like the "sound" of that :-[

Softer springs or stock?
What oil - fully synth. ???
How many miles?

Cheers
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Re: Aero engine rescue
« Reply #692 on: February 01, 2015, 03:02:56 AM »
Fabulous!!!

PaulDaytona's document suggests the aero engine should do 68 hp at 7500 rpm.  Maybe metric hp?
The same article indicates for the standard V75 2V an output of around 52ps.

Obviously those figures, even if obtained at the bench, are not realistic in a real life engine with air filters, mufflers, ecc...

For the Ippogrifo, with the same engine, the official figures were for 59 ps at the crankshaft, that realistically translates in 52/53 ps at the rear wheel. Moreover, that's the real power output of a perfectly tuned V7 Sport / 750S / 750 S3, and, with the same displacement and an engine with about the same architecture, you can't expect a so different result.
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Re: Aero engine rescue
« Reply #693 on: February 01, 2015, 04:31:58 AM »
Great stuff Chuck.

WG has amazing knowledge and many, many excellent threads - but this is my absolute favourite!

You have us all on tenderhooks again now awaiting the ride report.

Bravo!

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Re: Aero engine rescue
« Reply #693 on: February 01, 2015, 04:31:58 AM »

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Re: Aero engine rescue
« Reply #694 on: February 01, 2015, 06:11:10 AM »
Wow - what's up with that Chuck ???  Don't like the "sound" of that :-[

Softer springs or stock?
What oil - fully synth. ???
How many miles?

Cheers
Brian

That was the Lario Rehab engine with the soft lash caps. Don't know what came first, the chicken or the egg, but it was your valves, progressive springs, Motul 10-60, about 5K miles. Whether the cam went and caused the lash cap problem, or the soft lash caps let the valve clearance get progressively wider and wiped the lobe will never be known. It's toast, though.
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Re: Aero engine rescue
« Reply #695 on: February 01, 2015, 07:13:09 AM »
I would just like to add my congratulations and respect for a job beautifully done.
Just wish I had your kind of skill.

I really hope Moto Guzzi themselves provides some recognition of the time and love of the marque this project represents. The bike is deserving of a place in the Mandello museum but I don't expect you in any hurry to part with it just yet!  ;D

Awesome work, awesome thread, you are an inspiration to us all. Thank you  :BEER:

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Re: Aero engine rescue
« Reply #696 on: February 01, 2015, 07:29:47 AM »
Outstanding.  Congratulations, Chuck.

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Re: Aero engine rescue
« Reply #697 on: February 01, 2015, 07:33:04 AM »
That was the Lario Rehab engine with the soft lash caps. Don't know what came first, the chicken or the egg, but it was your valves, progressive springs, Motul 10-60, about 5K miles. Whether the cam went and caused the lash cap problem, or the soft lash caps let the valve clearance get progressively wider and wiped the lobe will never be known. It's toast, though.

Grinding the bad lash caps may have done its bit - It's recommended to keep clearance close to factory specs, as too wide a clearance both can provoke valve drop and help wipe the lobes.

Sorry to hear this  :-[
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Re: Aero engine rescue
« Reply #698 on: February 01, 2015, 08:30:44 AM »
Very Nice, Hope you get to ride it soon.   Mike

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Re: Aero engine rescue
« Reply #699 on: February 01, 2015, 08:48:58 AM »
Very Nice, Hope you get to ride it soon.   Mike

Thanks, but we're having a snowpocolypse right now.  ;D Naturally, the dual banjos came in the mail after we did the startup video, so there's still that little job to while away an hour or so, along with fixing that crack in the fairing, so there's still something to do. I might roll it back out in the hanger and see if setting the idle stop screws will let it idle. Rumba may be right, and I'll have to go up to 55s or so. Time will tell..
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Re: Aero engine rescue
« Reply #700 on: February 01, 2015, 08:55:02 AM »

I really hope Moto Guzzi themselves provides some recognition of the time and love of the marque this project represents. The bike is deserving of a place in the Mandello museum but I don't expect you in any hurry to part with it just yet! 


 :+1 I was thinking the same thing.

& Congratulations on the successful project!




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Re: Aero engine rescue
« Reply #701 on: February 01, 2015, 09:20:05 AM »
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I really hope Moto Guzzi themselves provides some recognition of the time and love of the marque this project represents.

This is ancient history to them. I'd be *very* surprised if Mother Guzzi cares.. but love of the marque? Yeah. That's why we are all here.
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Re: Aero engine rescue
« Reply #702 on: February 01, 2015, 12:14:57 PM »
This is ancient history to them. I'd be *very* surprised if Mother Guzzi cares.. but love of the marque? Yeah. That's why we are all here.

I might want to do a follow up interview with you Chuck when we both get a chance... and maybe get a first ride video in!

Then I can compile it into a mini documentary... cool be a cool project all on it's own.  ;-T

Someone mentioned me playing music earlier... I did think of a parody.

Queen's "Another One Bites the Dust" into...

"Another Bike Built By Chuck" by Unkept

Oh! Let's go!

Chuck rides crazily down the street
Guzzi torque pulls way down low.
Ain't no sound but the sound of speed,
Those two jugs ready to go.

Are you ready, hey, are you ready for this?
Are you hanging on the edge of your seat?
Out of the driveway the Guzzis rip
To the call of the streets

Another bike built by Chuck
Another bike built by Chuck
And another one done, and another one done
Another bike built by Chuck
Hey, he's gonna build yours, too
Another bike built by Chuck

How do you get a bike running strong
When your Italian ain't so strong?
You makes tools for everything that you can
And work things out on your own

Are you happy, are you satisfied?
How long can you stand the heat?
Out of the driveway the Guzzis rip
To the call of the streets

[Chorus]

Another bike built by Chuck
Another bike built by Chuck
Another bike built by Chuck
Another bike built by Chuck

There are plenty of ways that you can turn a wrench
And build the bike that you found
You can paint em', you can trade em'
You can treat them bad and leave them when their down

But Chuck's ready, yes, He's ready for Gu-
zzi. He's going to get this bike on the street.
Out of the driveway the Guzzis rip
To the call of the streets


[Chorus]
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Re: Aero engine rescue
« Reply #703 on: February 01, 2015, 12:27:38 PM »
I think I remember a song, "Too much time on your hands.."  ;D :BEER:
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Re: Aero engine rescue
« Reply #704 on: February 01, 2015, 12:29:41 PM »
I think I remember a song, "Too much time on your hands.."  ;D :BEER:

That took me two minutes... lol

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Re: Aero engine rescue
« Reply #705 on: February 01, 2015, 02:21:27 PM »

I really hope Moto Guzzi themselves provides some recognition of the time and love of the marque this project represents. The bike is deserving of a place in the Mandello museum but I don't expect you in any hurry to part with it just yet! 

FWIW I tweeted Unkept's beautiful rear 3/4 shot to the Guzzi World Club & Moto Guzzi Americas with links the Chucks thread


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Re: Aero engine rescue
« Reply #706 on: February 01, 2015, 05:21:50 PM »
FWIW I tweeted Unkept's beautiful rear 3/4 shot to the Guzzi World Club & Moto Guzzi Americas with links the Chucks thread


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The boy has a good eye.. I liked this one.

That one looks like a Guzzi Garage (tm) hanger to me.  ;D
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Re: Aero engine rescue
« Reply #707 on: February 01, 2015, 05:34:27 PM »
Went out today and installed the dual banjos. Turned on the fuel, and both leaked. Thought to self, "Of course they are leaking, dummy. You have a steel bolt clamping a die cast piece. Hello?? Earth calling. Now your hands are going to smell bad (Roper content)  ;D along with the shop, which you hate. Dummy."
I could b bb buy some  ~; and wait a couple of days, but in another lifetime, I was a sheet metal die maker, too. I made up a shim cutter for that job. Went up to the Guzzi Garage (tm) grabbed some gasket material, and made a couple. Not perfectly concentric.. but close enough for this job. Took considerably less time than telling about it, and was FREE..  ;)
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Re: Aero engine rescue
« Reply #708 on: February 01, 2015, 09:12:46 PM »
Chuck,
I'm glad the much anticipated start up went off so well. What I've enjoyed above the rebuild and the detective work of how the engine was put together were the side bits of information showing how to lay up fiberglass or time a flywheel.
Not having a machinists background this was a great education.
Thanks, i owe you a few beers for just letting me look over your shoulder.
Best wishes to you and Dorcia

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Re: Aero engine rescue
« Reply #709 on: February 02, 2015, 05:59:42 AM »
Chuck,
I'm glad the much anticipated start up went off so well. What I've enjoyed above the rebuild and the detective work of how the engine was put together were the side bits of information showing how to lay up fiberglass or time a flywheel.
Not having a machinists background this was a great education.
Thanks, i owe you a few beers for just letting me look over your shoulder.
Best wishes to you and Dorcia

Tim

Thank you sir, that was the plan.. ;D
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Re: Aero engine rescue
« Reply #710 on: February 02, 2015, 06:48:07 AM »
Congratulation !! and thank you for your time and sharing it with us.
Must be very satisfying , you are the proud owner of the first "ippogrifo" on the road .

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Regarding moto guzzi caring about persons like Chuck giving their life to the brand.... they won't care. Sad but true. ( sorry for being a "debby downer here )

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« Reply #711 on: February 02, 2015, 06:49:51 AM »
The official Moto Guzzi page "Liked" my Facebook posts, for what its worth! :D

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Re: Aero engine rescue
« Reply #712 on: February 02, 2015, 06:57:54 AM »
Part II, the story continues ;D

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« Reply #713 on: February 02, 2015, 07:01:50 AM »
The official Moto Guzzi page "Liked" my Facebook posts, for what its worth! :D



I am sending the u tube video to few friends in Germany and Italy mandello guzzi club..... :)

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Re: Aero engine rescue
« Reply #714 on: February 02, 2015, 09:37:14 AM »
Wow, kind of anti-climatic.      I thought it was supposed to fly around the garage and shoot fire out the back...






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Re: Aero engine rescue
« Reply #715 on: February 02, 2015, 11:33:47 AM »
Awesome. Can't wait to see some dyno runs and hear how it rides.

So. Would this be the rarest Lario on the planet?
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Re: Aero engine rescue
« Reply #716 on: February 02, 2015, 11:36:20 AM »
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Re: Aero engine rescue
« Reply #717 on: February 02, 2015, 01:06:08 PM »
Shouldn't there be a machine gun mounted somewhere, or rocket launcher or something?
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Re: Aero engine rescue
« Reply #718 on: February 02, 2015, 01:20:10 PM »
Awesome. Can't wait to see some dyno runs and hear how it rides.

So. Would this be the rarest Lario on the planet?

No dyno runs. Forget that, those cost money..  ;D :BEER:
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Re: Aero engine rescue
« Reply #719 on: February 02, 2015, 01:29:55 PM »
With your elevated status I think a 'seat of the pants' dyno would do.  ;-T
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