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Re: NGC. Vehicle situation, what would you do???
« Reply #30 on: December 24, 2021, 02:20:35 PM »
<Guzzi content> Remove the rear driveshaft and go front wheel drive until you get the rear fixed.
Many years ago, I was driving my 1980 (AMC) CJ-7 jeep home from work.  It was just after dark, and all of the sudden it sounded like someone was wailing away on the underside of my Jeep with a sledge hammer!  The noise only lasted for a few seconds, and I found myself coasting to a stop.  Hmmmm, this can't be good, I thought to myself.  As most of you may have figured out, my Jeeps rear driveshaft had parted company from the rest of the driveline.  The front universal joint had let go, allowing the shaft to flail away on the under body until it came loose from the rear universal.  Got out my flashlight and walked back up the (deserted, thank goodness) road a few yards and there was my driveshaft laying in the middle of the street.  Now what am I supposed to do?  Wait, I'll just engage the front wheels and drive home on them.  Worked like a charm and was much cheaper than a tow.

 Don't know how practical it would be on a RAM pickup.
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Re: NGC. Vehicle situation, what would you do???
« Reply #31 on: December 24, 2021, 02:23:06 PM »
I'd get rid of the Ram.  Have no idea for what.
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« Reply #32 on: December 24, 2021, 02:35:57 PM »
More info from a dealer mechanic... the pinion nut was known to loosen and trash the bearings..Just fix it he says....

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« Reply #33 on: December 24, 2021, 03:17:41 PM »
Ditch the Ram and get a new Yota!
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Re: NGC. Vehicle situation, what would you do???
« Reply #34 on: December 24, 2021, 04:05:45 PM »
There has got to be parts available to rebuild your current unit. The question is finding a shop qualified to do it. Check local listings for Driveline Service. I have used that company in Denver, Redding Ca, and Reno Nv. Excellent service and fast.
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« Reply #35 on: December 24, 2021, 04:13:37 PM »

        These guys sell the kits and may know of a shop in your area to do the work. Worth a phone call...........
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Re: NGC. Vehicle situation, what would you do???
« Reply #36 on: December 24, 2021, 04:42:04 PM »
I don't know what YOU should do (only you can really answer that).

Me? I'd go #1 in a heartbeat.

Or a blend of #1 and wait, what was it #2 I think ...

I'd buy a new truck, could be the Nissan Frontier (I like the midsize and it's the bargain in the segment right now) but I'd more likely spring for the Gladiator because it's so much fun.

But at the same time I'd hold onto the Ram and fix it, and use it for heavy duty work.

I've been causally shopping for another vehicle to go along with my current Jeep since the wife picked up her Defender last year.

Ohh, and I don't know what it's like where you are, but around here the dealers have lost their friggin minds with greed. I've got a growing list that I'll never buy from in the future because of the crap they are pulling. Stopped at the closest Nissan dealer this past week to show the Frontier to Jenn and they had a mid-level one with an MSRP of ~$34k and a supplemental sticker on it that said "+$7,500 market adjustment" - that Mother F'r is forever dead to me. I will never walk on the lot again.

So that might change my answer right now....
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Re: NGC. Vehicle situation, what would you do???
« Reply #37 on: December 24, 2021, 05:40:28 PM »
I like the drop the driveshaft and drive it in front wheel drive. Then find a rebuild kit and someone to install it.

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Re: NGC. Vehicle situation, what would you do???
« Reply #38 on: December 24, 2021, 05:58:18 PM »
I'm unclear as to why the whole rear end needs to be replaced. Is the housing cracked? Did a bearing race spin and ruin the lands? Spending a bit more on new guts would seem far superior to waiting 6 months for a used unit of unknown quality. Has the mechanic even bothered to quote a rebuild?
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« Reply #39 on: December 24, 2021, 06:13:21 PM »
Ditch the Ram and get a new Yota!
Yup, sell a 7 year old truck needing a 1000 to 2000 grand repair and buy a new 50 grand truck You gys are just flush with money...... :laugh:

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« Reply #40 on: December 24, 2021, 07:52:29 PM »
I’m going to hang on to the ram and get the rearend fixed when the replacement rear end is in, or get the existing rear end rebuilt, whichever I have luck getting accomplished.  No the mechanic has not spoken of rebuilding the existing rear end, just replacing it with a used rearend, but I will check around on getting the existing one rebuilt. 

I also will search in the meantime for a used vehicle to drive in the meantime.  New vehicles are just to pricey for me and I don’t like car payments.  I can’t afford to pay cash for a 60k new pickup truck, and don’t want high car payments so used is the way I will go.  I guess I’m taking my chances in getting a quality used vehicle to be a backup for my ram.  I understand the used vehicle I buy may break down and require repair/service but I doubt it would be $60k worth of service which a new truck would cost me.  Thanks for all the ideas.  Now to go used truck/suv shopping.  Merry Christmas everyone!
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« Reply #41 on: December 25, 2021, 06:46:06 AM »
I lot of Mechanic's will never dig into a rear diff and have zero clue how to set up gears. "Just replace it" Same with trans, and heck even motors. Unless the housing is bent, its really not bad to replace bearings, gears or whatnot in what you have. Just about any town has a 4x4 shop, or a hotrod shop that can do them in their sleep. Might be worth it to have someone that knows them, take a look.
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Re: NGC. Vehicle situation, what would you do???
« Reply #42 on: December 25, 2021, 07:17:28 AM »
I lot of Mechanic's will never dig into a rear diff and have zero clue how to set up gears. "Just replace it" Same with trans, and heck even motors. Unless the housing is bent, its really not bad to replace bearings, gears or whatnot in what you have. Just about any town has a 4x4 shop, or a hotrod shop that can do them in their sleep. Might be worth it to have someone that knows them, take a look.


THIS!, Used vehicles are at stupid prices now. Don't even consider it. I drove an old Bronco for years in 4x4 mode with no drive shaft to the rear. Do that  while you order new bearings and a ring and pinion. It's not hard to replace if you have a real mechanic not a parts replacer.
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Re: NGC. Vehicle situation, what would you do???
« Reply #43 on: December 26, 2021, 07:54:55 PM »
I talked to my friend today about this. As RER stated. You MAY be qualified for a DEALER RECALL on the rear end. He said that if it was the pinion nut, if he remembers right, that trashed the rear end, it's under a recall. WARRANTY does not matter if it's a RECALL. Dealer has to fix it. It may not have been the pinion nut, but he does remembers a recall on about your year truck.

I do not know if your truck is covered. DEFIANTLY worth checking into.

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« Reply #44 on: December 27, 2021, 04:03:33 AM »
I talked to my friend today about this. As RER stated. You MAY be qualified for a DEALER RECALL on the rear end. He said that if it was the pinion nut, if he remembers right, that trashed the rear end, it's under a recall. WARRANTY does not matter if it's a RECALL. Dealer has to fix it. It may not have been the pinion nut, but he does remembers a recall on about your year truck.

I do not know if your truck is covered. DEFIANTLY worth checking into.

Good luck!!!!!!
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Re: NGC. Vehicle situation, what would you do???
« Reply #45 on: December 27, 2021, 05:14:19 AM »
I lot of Mechanic's will never dig into a rear diff and have zero clue how to set up gears. "Just replace it" Same with trans, and heck even motors. Unless the housing is bent, its really not bad to replace bearings, gears or whatnot in what you have. Just about any town has a 4x4 shop, or a hotrod shop that can do them in their sleep. Might be worth it to have someone that knows them, take a look.

Rebuilding although better long term is usually not cheaper than throwing another second hand unit at it, the mechanic may have seen the Guzzi sticker and figured he would cater to his audience :P . With driveline parts depending on how much of a hurry you are in its usually worth paying a professional, the parts and usually expensive and if you get it wrong in 6 months you'll be buying another set of parts to do it all again.

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Re: NGC. Vehicle situation, what would you do???
« Reply #47 on: December 27, 2021, 08:19:12 AM »
https://www.cars.com/research/ram-1500-2014/recalls/?page=1

I’m checking with another local 4x4 shop on repairing or replacing the rearend.  I didn’t see any recalls affecting the rearend on my 2014 ram.  Hopefully I can get the ram fixed and I’m looking at older used jeep wranglers for a second vehicle, in the meantime! 

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« Reply #48 on: December 27, 2021, 08:24:26 AM »
I'm unclear as to why the whole rear end needs to be replaced. Is the housing cracked? Did a bearing race spin and ruin the lands? Spending a bit more on new guts would seem far superior to waiting 6 months for a used unit of unknown quality. Has the mechanic even bothered to quote a rebuild?

I’m looking into a local 4x4 shop to see if rearend can be rebuilt.  I was told a main bearing in the rearend was failing causing a whining sound coming from rearend starting or most noticeable at 40mph.  I was originally told the rearend had to be replaced, not repaired.  I am getting a second opinion from another place. 

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Re: NGC. Vehicle situation, what would you do???
« Reply #49 on: December 27, 2021, 10:45:00 AM »
I'd say that's a highly repairable situation. Whining pinion bearing does not necessarily mean that the gears are damaged. A good inspection of the pinion & ring gear wear pattern can determine that. A new bearing and proper backlash setup could have you sorted.
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« Reply #50 on: December 27, 2021, 03:16:09 PM »
I have to believe that any good local bearing house can fix you up with a new one.
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« Reply #51 on: December 27, 2021, 03:41:34 PM »
 Randy's  shows over 200 3.90 ring and pinion sets in stick and over 45 master bearing kits. Both cost about 600 bucks.. Should be about  400 to 500 for labor at a non dealer shop...

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« Reply #52 on: December 27, 2021, 06:09:58 PM »


Find a good auto recycler in the area and buy a used assembly. There should be one near there that will sell it with one year or more warranty that includes replacement labor.
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« Reply #53 on: December 28, 2021, 05:28:26 AM »

Find a good auto recycler in the area and buy a used assembly. There should be one near there that will sell it with one year or more warranty that includes replacement labor.

We have been trying to find one locally at auto recycling shops with no luck yet.  Found one for 3500.00 so far here and mechanic said don’t pay that much for used,  so we are still looking.  In the meantime it is going into a 4x4 shop 6 Jan for a full inspection to see what exactly is all going out/breaking. 

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Re: NGC. Vehicle situation, what would you do???
« Reply #54 on: December 28, 2021, 06:18:07 AM »
Rebuilding although better long term is usually not cheaper than throwing another second hand unit at it, the mechanic may have seen the Guzzi sticker and figured he would cater to his audience :P . With driveline parts depending on how much of a hurry you are in its usually worth paying a professional, the parts and usually expensive and if you get it wrong in 6 months you'll be buying another set of parts to do it all again.

Yes, that is true, but the OP had stated that they cant find a used one with the right gear ratio. Also depending on the cost, and if they are in fact a known issue with that era rear fixing might be the cheapest way out. Either way is much cheaper then buying a new/used car or truck.
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« Reply #55 on: December 28, 2021, 06:23:31 AM »
Things might be different in this part of the world but if the truck was somewhat unusable (and a keeper) due to bearing whine (which is not a bearing failure) at this stage, I (or get a shop) would pull the assembly down and find the problem.

The ring and pinion might be fine (so why replace it) and if only a bearing (with no damage to associated parts (head or housing) a fairly straight forward job.

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« Reply #56 on: December 28, 2021, 07:43:55 AM »
We have been trying to find one locally at auto recycling shops with no luck yet.  Found one for 3500.00 so far here and mechanic said don’t pay that much for used,  so we are still looking.  In the meantime it is going into a 4x4 shop 6 Jan for a full inspection to see what exactly is all going out/breaking.


Search on car-part.com. All the major recyclers have their inventory on it.
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« Reply #57 on: December 28, 2021, 07:56:38 AM »
If you are looking for a recycled one how would you know its not from the same year(s) as the bad ones? I never understood the logic of replacing a bad part with another bad part.

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« Reply #58 on: December 28, 2021, 07:59:19 AM »
In the meantime it is going into a 4x4 shop 6 Jan for a full inspection to see what exactly is all going out/breaking.

Good deal.

If it can be fixed, you'll be better off - and quite likely money ahead, I suspect.
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« Reply #59 on: December 28, 2021, 09:08:12 AM »
 I have tightened the pinion nut and a whiner got quiet...this has to be done with some caution and experience..
 Pete is correct, just fix it. I'm a bit surprised by some remarks to more or less give up on and otherwise good truck.
 

 

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