Wildgoose Chase Moto Guzzi

General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: C5Performance on November 26, 2014, 08:38:36 AM

Title: 1967 V700 barn find
Post by: C5Performance on November 26, 2014, 08:38:36 AM
I will be bringing this crusty 1967 V700 home in the next week or two. A friend of mine owned it for many years, and we've worked out a deal for me to purchase. Most of you know the '67 was the first year of the V engine.

The sheet metal (except fuel tank) had been previously stripped for a repaint. I'm sure the bike will need plenty of elbow grease to get it road worthy.

My goal is to leave the fuel tank alone, and try to clean it up without taking away too much patina.
I thought some of you might enjoy seeing a "first year V-engine" be saved from a slow death via corrosion in a dirt floor shed.
The bike will be on display at our C5 Ignition booth at Midwest rallies, and used to develop a new ignition for older MG models, but also I'll be riding it as much as I can. The bike has 25,000 miles on it and I fully expect to add plenty more.

This is my FIRST Moto Guzzi and I'm very excited!!!


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Title: Re: 1967 V700 barn find
Post by: Tony/CT on November 26, 2014, 08:48:17 AM
Excellent! It's always nice to see the old loops put back on the road! ;-T
Title: Re: 1967 V700 barn find
Post by: Antietam Classic Cycle on November 26, 2014, 08:52:44 AM
You've got your work cut out for you, but it will be worth it IMO. The only Loop Guzzi I haven't owned, though my '69 Ambo is very close.

If it still has the original chrome bores, I wouldn't even attempt to crank it over. Gilardoni hasn't made V700 kits for years, so replating or sleeves might be the best way to go. Ambassador cylinders can be modified to work as well.  
Title: Re: 1967 V700 barn find
Post by: leafman60 on November 26, 2014, 09:54:53 AM
I notice that it has the square-slide carbs instead of the SS1s that were fitted to the '67 models.  This may be a '68 or else someone swapped them out.

I suggest that you go to Greg Bender's site and research possible ways to identify production dates.  That is difficult to do with these early V700s.

http://www.thisoldtractor.com/moto_guzzi.html

Those are fine bikes. I had one until recently and I liked its handling and 4-speed transmission performance better than the later Loops I've owned.

You got some work ahead of you.
Title: Re: 1967 V700 barn find
Post by: steven c on November 26, 2014, 09:59:32 AM
 Nice project. A little wash and shine, and a healthy credit card………. ;-T
Title: Re: 1967 V700 barn find
Post by: Groover on November 26, 2014, 10:20:44 AM
Congrats, and looking forward to the next stage!
Title: Re: 1967 V700 barn find
Post by: Don G on November 26, 2014, 10:57:46 AM
Pull the engine out of that sucker and clean the sludge trap! It will be full of mung, it will need a few other things as well while your there most likely.  DonG
Title: Re: 1967 V700 barn find
Post by: kevdog3019 on November 26, 2014, 11:03:11 AM
I thought '66 was the first year of the "V"?  Lots of work ahead of you, but good of you to care for it.
Title: Re: 1967 V700 barn find
Post by: smdl on November 26, 2014, 11:16:18 AM
Looks like a nice project!  Please keep us posted on progress.

Cheers,
Shaun
Title: Re: 1967 V700 barn find
Post by: EvanM on November 26, 2014, 11:23:41 AM
Glad to see you finally got a Guzzi Paul!
Good luck on it!
Title: Re: 1967 V700 barn find
Post by: Yeahoo Whoyah on November 26, 2014, 11:48:31 AM
Nice find, treasure recovery is exciting.  Do you have much riding experience with left foot brakes - right foot shift?  I've been away from that set-up for such a long time the idea of re-adjusting scares me. 
Title: Re: 1967 V700 barn find
Post by: Chuck in Indiana on November 26, 2014, 11:54:51 AM
Our V700 was involved in the infamous crash and burn from the fuel line crossover failing, but it was Dorcia's favorite Guzzi. Soft ride, comfortable, gave you the feeling it would just continue to run forever.  ;-T
Title: Re: 1967 V700 barn find
Post by: Groover on November 26, 2014, 12:01:15 PM
Do you have much riding experience with left foot brakes - right foot shift? 

Is this how these are? I thought they were 4 speed, just opposite (up vs down for 1st gear)
Title: Re: 1967 V700 barn find
Post by: Antietam Classic Cycle on November 26, 2014, 12:09:54 PM
Nice find, treasure recovery is exciting.  Do you have much riding experience with left foot brakes - right foot shift?  I've been away from that set-up for such a long time the idea of re-adjusting scares me. 
Is this how these are? I thought they were 4 speed, just opposite (up vs down for 1st gear)

V700s and early Ambassadors were left foot brake, right foot shift, with a "backwards" pattern. I don't find it too hard to adjust when hopping from a "normal" bike onto the Ambo. It's like when my butt hits the Ambo seat, my brain clicks into a different mode. It helps that I've put 70k miles on the Ambo with it that way. I'll be building my sidecar tug Ambo the same way.
Title: Re: 1967 V700 barn find
Post by: Rusty goose on November 26, 2014, 12:42:00 PM
Great looking project! We seem to be in the same boat, albeit, my boat might sitting higher in the water!  I have mine torn down to the frame, the bores are, well,what was expected. The final drive is toast and the tank was lined, poorly and will need to be redone. Bit my chromeis aa tad better, maybe..
Title: Re: 1967 V700 barn find
Post by: v7john on November 26, 2014, 01:44:51 PM
Looks like hours of fun.

I wouldn't worry too much about the sludge trap. At 26K miles it should be ok and that's one thing that won't have got worse for standing. I would look at the state of the bores though. It's being left standing that kills these. If it had been used everyday, likely it would be fine. I've got the same to come having recently bought a V7 myself. It's come from Italy but has had less than 200Km use in the last 2 years.
Title: Re: 1967 V700 barn find
Post by: V7BRIAN on November 26, 2014, 02:27:31 PM
 ;-T   nice project.  I just got a 67 two months ago.  I sent you an email.  BRian in NJ
Title: Re: 1967 V700 barn find
Post by: jacksonracingcomau on November 26, 2014, 07:36:33 PM
Great looking project! We seem to be in the same boat, albeit, my boat might sitting higher in the water!  I have mine torn down to the frame, the bores are, well,what was expected. The final drive is toast and the tank was lined, poorly and will need to be redone. Bit my chromeis aa tad better, maybe..

I've bought one recently too but kind of opposite, mine missing loads but $5K miles looks to be genuine
rear drive gears & splines absolutely like new, box apart for coating and seals, then going on my Tonti for now


But the pinion carrier is different from any I've seen, has no oil holes for feed and return or matching cut outs in casting.

I've fitted later pinion carrier (big bearings-- spaced for Tonti and O ring seals) and modded box  but I'm interested in where yours failed, did pinion gear / bearings fail ?

I'll get into 4 speed box soon, I'm betting that's perfect inside too, I'll never know why it got dismantled but bores off prob a clue, heads completely virgin.

OP-- Chuck with Aero engine needs magic sparks box to run with his trigger, look at Aero thread for pics, maybe you can help ?
Title: Re: 1967 V700 barn find
Post by: C5Performance on November 27, 2014, 12:11:27 AM
Glad to see you finally got a Guzzi Paul!
Good luck on it!

Evan will you be at the National rally again this year? I'd love to show you the bike in person.
Title: Re: 1967 V700 barn find
Post by: C5Performance on November 27, 2014, 12:13:24 AM
Nice find, treasure recovery is exciting.  Do you have much riding experience with left foot brakes - right foot shift?  I've been away from that set-up for such a long time the idea of re-adjusting scares me. 

No I honestly have ridden bikes like that but never owned one. Promise not to laugh if you see me practicing on my lawn  :BEER:
Title: Re: 1967 V700 barn find
Post by: EvanM on November 27, 2014, 01:46:12 AM
Evan will you be at the National rally again this year? I'd love to show you the bike in person.


Unfortunately not, as I will still be in school then. I may have all of August off this year though, so I will be doing a large trip then. If I'm in the area, I'll give you a call, assuming the number you gave me at the rally is still accurate?
Title: Re: 1967 V700 barn find
Post by: C5Performance on November 27, 2014, 10:24:53 AM
Unfortunately not, as I will still be in school then. I may have all of August off this year though, so I will be doing a large trip then. If I'm in the area, I'll give you a call, assuming the number you gave me at the rally is still accurate?

Yes, 920-810-0946 or 920-403-0555 (both end up at my cell phone).
I would like to offer you a free place to stay, with awesome food and drink.

Whatever your journey, ride safe and we'll meet again soon.
Title: Re: 1967 V700 barn find
Post by: Don G on November 27, 2014, 10:56:55 AM
WELL SOME PEOPLE CAN WORRY OR NOT ABOUT THE SLUDGE TRAP, I RECENTLY TOOK A PLUG OUT OF ONE THAT HAD 17,000 MILES ON THE CLOCK, IT WAS MORE THAN 3/4 FULL, DO AS YOU LIKE. DonG ;-T
Title: Re: 1967 V700 barn find
Post by: C5Performance on November 27, 2014, 11:10:10 AM
WELL SOME PEOPLE CAN WORRY OR NOT ABOUT THE SLUDGE TRAP, I RECENTLY TOOK A PLUG OUT OF ONE THAT HAD 17,000 MILES ON THE CLOCK, IT WAS MORE THAN 3/4 FULL, DO AS YOU LIKE. DonG ;-T

I will be cleaning the sludge trap.

My friend Stephen from Restoration Werks, and Curtis Harper both contacted me with suggestions. Both agreed it would be my best course of action to pull the engine at least partially apart before attempting a test run. Corrosion from sitting in a dirt floor shed was the main concern.

Next week I'll have the bike in my shop, and I can soak it all down. I am not doing a complete restoration, but certainly don't want to harm the bike in any way.
Feed back from this forum is greatly appreciated!!

Happy Thanksgiving everyone.
Title: Re: 1967 V700 barn find
Post by: Chuck in Indiana on November 27, 2014, 11:21:55 AM
When I took the "Monte Carlo" Guzzi apart, I had to drill out the sludge trap.  ;D Of course, it had been running on failed cylinders, and had a heater hose hooked to the breather so the blow by could go aft beyond the license plate.  ::)  ;D
Title: Re: 1967 V700 barn find
Post by: EvanM on November 27, 2014, 11:31:02 AM
Yes, 920-810-0946 or 920-403-0555 (both end up at my cell phone).
I would like to offer you a free place to stay, with awesome food and drink.

Whatever your journey, ride safe and we'll meet again soon.


Thanks for the generous offer!
Hopefully I'll be able to take you up on it!
Title: Re: 1967 V700 barn find
Post by: Yeahoo Whoyah on November 27, 2014, 02:15:13 PM
You should consider submitting your bike's VIN to the loop list here: http://www.thisoldtractor.com/moto_guzzi_loopframe_loop_list.php
Title: Re: 1967 V700 barn find
Post by: C5Performance on November 27, 2014, 02:44:12 PM
You should consider submitting your bike's VIN to the loop list here: http://www.thisoldtractor.com/moto_guzzi_loopframe_loop_list.php

I will once it comes home (next week). Gotta keep track of these, right?
Title: Re: 1967 V700 barn find
Post by: Hahnda on November 27, 2014, 10:25:51 PM
I will be cleaning the sludge trap.

My friend Stephen from Restoration Werks, and Curtis Harper both contacted me with suggestions. Both agreed it would be my best course of action to pull the engine at least partially apart before attempting a test run. Corrosion from sitting in a dirt floor shed was the main concern.

Next week I'll have the bike in my shop, and I can soak it all down. I am not doing a complete restoration, but certainly don't want to harm the bike in any way.
Feed back from this forum is greatly appreciated!!

Happy Thanksgiving everyone.


If you have plans to clean out the sludge trap you will pretty much be doing a complete engine teardown to get at it.

I agree. If its been sitting on a dirt floor in Wisconsin for ?? years at a very minimum you need to pull those heads. I would be willing to bet you have some flaking chrome going on.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v199/Hahnda/IMG_0497_zpsb458340c.jpg)

So get to work and have it done in time for the WI rally.
Title: Re: 1967 V700 barn find
Post by: C5Performance on November 27, 2014, 11:08:13 PM
If you have plans to clean out the sludge trap you will pretty much be doing a complete engine teardown to get at it.

I agree. If its been sitting on a dirt floor in Wisconsin for ?? years at a very minimum you need to pull those heads. I would be willing to bet you have some flaking chrome going on.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v199/Hahnda/IMG_0497_zpsb458340c.jpg)

So get to work and have it done in time for the WI rally.

Is that an invitation to help? LOL

I'll have it ready and you can take for a spin if you like.
Title: Re: 1967 V700 barn find
Post by: C5Performance on December 05, 2014, 10:49:52 PM
We finally dug the old Guzzi out and I took a few pictures to share.
Serial number 2073 and engine number 2400.
It is titled using the engine number (as many older Wisconsin bikes were).

check out the crusty old gal:

http://www.c5ignitions.com/fun-photos.html (http://www.c5ignitions.com/fun-photos.html)
Title: Re: 1967 V700 barn find
Post by: C5Performance on December 05, 2014, 10:54:56 PM
You should consider submitting your bike's VIN to the loop list here: http://www.thisoldtractor.com/moto_guzzi_loopframe_loop_list.php

done! Thanks for the link  ;-T


Title: Re: 1967 V700 barn find
Post by: Perazzimx14 on December 06, 2014, 06:59:06 AM
Doesn't look all that bad. Just looks like a lot of time and money and fun.

If for what ever reason you decide not to proceed with getting it back in the road or do not like the right side shift and change to a lefty I'd be interested in the transmission pedals and shafts.
Title: Re: 1967 V700 barn find
Post by: Chuck in Indiana on December 06, 2014, 07:03:58 AM
The good: It looks like it's mostly there. The bad: It looks like it's mostly there..  ;D :BEER:
Title: Re: 1967 V700 barn find
Post by: Cam3512 on December 06, 2014, 07:15:29 AM
How many other bikes are dying a slow death in that shed?   Is that a white Beemer back there?
Title: Re: 1967 V700 barn find
Post by: Hahnda on December 06, 2014, 07:39:38 AM
I think I just figured out who you got this bike from.
Title: Re: 1967 V700 barn find
Post by: grantsjeep on December 06, 2014, 07:49:32 AM
Congrates, looks like a fun project.
Title: Re: 1967 V700 barn find
Post by: Antietam Classic Cycle on December 06, 2014, 09:02:17 AM
If for what ever reason you decide not to proceed with getting it back in the road or do not like the right side shift and change to a lefty I'd be interested in the transmission.

Right foot vs. left foot is all done with different shafts and pedals, the transmission is the same.
Title: Re: 1967 V700 barn find
Post by: Cam3512 on December 06, 2014, 09:13:35 AM
Right foot vs. left foot is all done with different shafts and pedals, the transmission is the same.

I see that bike and can't help but wonder "What would Charlie do with that?"
Title: Re: 1967 V700 barn find
Post by: Perazzimx14 on December 06, 2014, 10:17:50 AM
Right foot vs. left foot is all done with different shafts and pedals, the transmission is the same.
Doesn't look all that bad. Just looks like a lot of time and money and fun.

If for what ever reason you decide not to proceed with getting it back in the road or do not like the right side shift and change to a lefty I'd be interested in the transmission pedals and shafts.

Fixed it.
Title: Re: 1967 V700 barn find
Post by: C5Performance on December 06, 2014, 03:36:11 PM
I am told that '67 models were not plentiful here in the USA, and this is more likely an early '68 but according to Greg Bender's page there aren't firm production dates.
Either way I am excited about the project, and plan to visit the Iowa, Wisconsin, and possibly National rallies with the bike.

Once I get used to the shifting it will be an enjoyable way to explore Wisconsin.



Title: Re: 1967 V700 barn find
Post by: tpeever on December 06, 2014, 04:07:28 PM
I will be cleaning the sludge trap.

My friend Stephen from Restoration Werks, and Curtis Harper both contacted me with suggestions. Both agreed it would be my best course of action to pull the engine at least partially apart before attempting a test run. Corrosion from sitting in a dirt floor shed was the main concern.

Next week I'll have the bike in my shop, and I can soak it all down. I am not doing a complete restoration, but certainly don't want to harm the bike in any way.
Feed back from this forum is greatly appreciated!!

Happy Thanksgiving everyone.


I agree with DonG. Tear that engine completely down to the crankshaft and check everything out. My V700 had a good bit of sludge in the trap with 30K on the clock. I sent my cylinders to Harper's who forwarded them to Millenium for recoating. They did an excellent job and fitted each piston to its cylinder. I have always performed complete engine teardowns for all of my restorations and have never tried to start them up first before tearing the down. I don't see the point especially when you are dealing with chrome bores that are almost guaranteed to be flaking off.
Title: Re: 1967 V700 barn find
Post by: tpeever on December 06, 2014, 04:08:50 PM
I am told that '67 models were not plentiful here in the USA, and this is more likely an early '68 but according to Greg Bender's page there aren't firm production dates.
Either way I am excited about the project, and plan to visit the Iowa, Wisconsin, and possibly National rallies with the bike.

Once I get used to the shifting it will be an enjoyable way to explore Wisconsin.

Does it have a sub-2000 engine number?
Title: Re: 1967 V700 barn find
Post by: Antietam Classic Cycle on December 06, 2014, 04:18:11 PM
I see that bike and can't help but wonder "What would Charlie do with that?"

Probably do a total restoration. Haven't had a V700 yet.
Title: Re: 1967 V700 barn find
Post by: C5Performance on January 01, 2015, 02:25:32 PM
Does it have a sub-2000 engine number?

2400 is the engine number.
Title: Re: 1967 V700 barn find
Post by: crc on January 01, 2015, 11:48:25 PM
from memory the engine number on my v700 was 1224
Title: Re: 1967 V700 barn find
Post by: C5Performance on January 02, 2015, 08:32:21 AM
I was told the engines might not have been installed in numeric sequence but we'll probably never know. I was also told first year bikes had engine problems so maybe this is a replacement set?
Previous owner told me it was a '67 (he was friends with original purchaser) but the title states it as a '68 which would have been the year of purchase here in Wisconsin.

I have not had time to bring it home yet but will take pictures so perhaps we can find more visual clues as to its age.
Title: Re: 1967 V700 barn find
Post by: guzzisteve on January 02, 2015, 01:29:28 PM
My 67' is #1256, My 68' is #1455, My 69' is #3288. Only difference in all mine was 69' came w/late sidecovers and had A1 etched on head of valves in heads. Only 1 bike came w/metal tubes in the intake tract of the heads needed to smooth out air flow. Never seen them for sale (unobtanium).
Title: Re: 1967 V700 barn find
Post by: Antietam Classic Cycle on January 02, 2015, 03:34:33 PM
My 67' is #1256, My 68' is #1455, My 69' is #3288. Only difference in all mine was 69' came w/late sidecovers and had A1 etched on head of valves in heads. Only 1 bike came w/metal tubes in the intake tract of the heads needed to smooth out air flow. Never seen them for sale (unobtanium).

Greg Bender has a pair for sale: http://www.thisoldtractor.com/for_sale_moto_guzzi_parts.html
Title: Re: 1967 V700 barn find
Post by: guzzisteve on January 02, 2015, 03:56:22 PM
Thanks Charlie!!