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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: swalker on November 13, 2015, 01:08:26 PM
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Check out the new V9 Roamer...850cc engine....Pretty Cool...
http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=moto+guzzi+v9+roamer&qpvt=Moto+Guzzi+V9+Roamer&qpvt=Moto+Guzzi+V9+Roamer&FORM=IGRE
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Pics from link!
(http://i1299.photobucket.com/albums/ag77/Penderic/Penderic047/moto-guzzi-v9-roamer-latdx-bianco_zpsc2whbmej.jpg)
(http://i1299.photobucket.com/albums/ag77/Penderic/Penderic047/moto-guzzi-v9-roamer-34dx-bianco_zpsmdonvgpt.jpg)
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I noticed the Roamer's rear shocks look like standard Sach rear shocks but without the chrome shroud and a different bump stop.
On my 09 rear stock shocks the bump stop was a yellow poly bump twice as thick looking! Left only about an inch and a 1/2 free travel!
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http://www.motociclismo.it/articoli/view/gruppo-piaggio-novit-2016-aprilia-guzzi-piaggio-e-vespa-a-eicma-2015-63899
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Not bad looking, in fact, the more I look at it, the more I like it, but, the handle bars are too high. I'd definitely want to swap 'em out for flat bars, or maybe just something the height of the V7 Stone/Special.
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Google translate:
MOTO GUZZI: A NEW ENGINE AND FIVE NEW MODELS OF PAST AND FUTURE
Piaggio Group: New Aprilia, Guzzi, Piaggio and Vespa at EICMA 2015
We start from the most prestigious brand, to Mandello. At 5 years from the centenary, the House Aquila presents in EICMA 2015 five new models, including three completely new. The novelty in our opinion the most striking and waiting is the pair of bikes equipped with the new 850 cc engine, which is the custom Roamer V9 and V9 Bobber (pictured) . We reiterate that the engine is completely new, it is not the 750 plus. Currently there is no other information, but the architecture V 90 ° seems the one thing remained unchanged ... A look to the only available image of Roamer allows us to notice an unusual frame, beautiful alloy wheels inspired by those of the California in 1400, which looks to refer also the new cylinders. To the majestic Nevada, completely changing the design, more contemporary and respectful of the latest trends made in the USA, but it seems to be able anchedire that generally finishes show a nice improvement. Up to date electronics, as portends the tone wheel flange on the front disc (of course there will be the ABS, then, but there sbilanciamo saying that if the current V7 has traction control, even on the V9 can not miss , also saw an estimated increase in performance). Also the "States" look the other first fruits by Moto Guzzi. It comes in fact a bagger inspired concept MGX-21 seen last EICMA . The official presentation will be at Sturgis, in August 2016, but in the meantime at the Milan Show will debut in public. In Guzzi they say the transition from bike show in the series model has been without compromise. We'll see. The platform V7 II remains however for two models that look at the tradition mandelliana: the V7 Racer and scrambler Stornello . Back then a legendary name for a bike that retrieves the name, style and technique (color, pattern tires and an exhaust top) of the very first Italian motorcycle turned into scrambler in the '60s and' 70s, starting with the original Stornello. We conclude section Guzzi anticipating that there will be an expansion of the range of special components Moto Guzzi Garage.
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There's not going to be a whole lot of roaming with what looks like a smallish tank and a pretty thin seat.
The V9 Gomer.
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The saddle looks like it's good for about 45 minutes or a tank full whichever comes first.
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I disagree regarding the seat on the Roamer. It doesn't look particularly much slimmer than the current V7. The Bobber seat on the other hand looks like a slab. I guess it depends on the materials used.
For two-up riding though.....yikes.
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The front forks look a bit long - front looks high.
Is it in fact an 850?
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The new V9 Bobber debuts at the 2015 Milan Show EICMA. Bobber wants to attract a younger dynamic and aggressive, following in the theme presented by the Bold 1400.Hence the look is minimalist and essential, the monochrome-black livery and oversize tires that show more muscular and sporty intent. The technical material is fully shared with its sister Roamer, with a fast, lightweight chassis that houses the 850cc lateral V-twin.
Uniquely designed and finished, with fine painting on the tank (strictly metal) and precise welding and work well on the frame. Of course it will be endless list of customization available, along the lines of the operation Guzzi V7 Garage devoted to that ... without much imagination we imagine will be the boundless success of the v9. With help of translation software from original article
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The rear brake pedal setup looks a bit untidy. :boozing:
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I like it, not a "cruiser" or Harley look alike, or a "racer" :rolleyes: just a standard motorbike.
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looks like a boring Japanese bike
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The rear brake pedal setup looks a bit untidy. :boozing:
And the fat tyres? And the piddly tank? Pays far too much homage to Harley. Just make one that looks like a V7 Special or even a Lario and then I'll get excited.
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I love it!
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I think the amazing thing is the first spy shots where just a few months ago and here it is! Not 5 years down the road like the good old days.
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looks like a boring Japanese bike
My thoughts too. There are too many other interesting standards out there now.
Pete
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My thoughts too. There are too many other interesting standards out there now.
Pete
Do you think so? I'd have a really hard time finding one. I think the number of clean good looking standard motorcycles out there is very limited.
John
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The engine looks nice.
Ken
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Do you think so? I'd have a really hard time finding one. I think the number of clean good looking standard motorcycles out there is very limited.
John
You don't have to look far. The standard V7 and Griso beat this thing hands down.
Pete
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You don't have to look far. The standard V7 and Griso beat this thing hands down.
Pete
Yes, the V7 is one of the few out there. But I prefer the V9!
John
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Now just put that engine in the V7II and Guzzi would have hit a home run. This bike is just a double.
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HORRBILE NAME.
As for looks, I prefer the bobber... too much chrome on this. I HATE chrome.
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Now just put that engine in the V7II and Guzzi would have hit a home run.
Not doing that would be like dropping the bat!
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I think the amazing thing is the first spy shots where just a few months ago and here it is! Not 5 years down the road like the good old days.
True, well done Moto Guzzi!
I think this bike will age well.
& You probably don't NEED more 'bike' than that.
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too much cruiser influence for me
I'll wait for the road version
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HORRBILE NAME.
As for looks, I prefer the bobber... too much chrome on this. I HATE chrome.
I think the name is pretty cool. Certainly not typical, yet implies the machine is built to go places unknown, to prowl the many back roads and urban haunts of a big world!
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I do hope they enlarge the eagle on the tank, and make have it say proudly Moto Guzzi!
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To me, it looks like they had a Bonneville or 2 parked in the design studio along with some older Guzzi's. At least it doesn't look like a harley.
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I'm giving them credit, but of course withholding final say, until we get a lot more info.
But to me.
It looks like a cool standard.
It doesn't look like an HD clone.
It appears like it should work pretty well.
I hope it has handling worthy of the name; I have little doubt it will. I hope it has decent hp for a NEW 850cc air cooled motor. To me that means it should have a min of 60hp at the crank, should be more. Can't wait to see. Also, can't wait to see the Italian Milan models astride this new machine, oh I do love a good introduction!
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I'm not real thrilled about the demise of the Griso, now another standard that's underpowered and pretty similar to a V7. Looks like I don't need a new bike this year. :rolleyes:
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Here's to hoping there is a secret successor to the Griso!
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Not doing that would be like dropping the bat!
I agree, dumb name (Roamer), but, I'll take the Roamer, but, with the various blacked out bits of the bobber.
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The rear brake pedal setup looks a bit untidy. :boozing:
I think that foot's gonna have to come up off of the peg to use that pedal. Do they need a nub? Can they change the angle?
It does look like what a lot of folks say they want though.
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The foot pegs are several inches more forward, and the handlebars a few inches higher than the current V7 Special and Stone. I definitely prefer the ergos (and looks) the V7. I sure hope there is a V9 Racer in the works, and for that matter a V9 Stone or V9 Special with the current V7's looks and ergos.
(http://images.moto.it/images/1360538/700x/moto-guzzi-v9-roamer-latdx-bianco.jpg)
(http://saloon.sixgun.org/uploads/db5862/146/d48c3b0bc6e477f8.jpg)
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Looks like I'll be keeping my V7 Special for a few more years.
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I definitely prefer the ergos (and looks) the V7. I sure hope there is a V9 Racer in the works, and for that matter a V9 Stone or V9 Special with the current V7's looks and ergos.
From I january 2017 all the bikes sold in UE should be Euro-4. To me is more probable they will extend the new motorization to the V7 line than to make the 750 Euro-4 compliant.
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So do we know if this V9 is the big-block hemi head type motor vs the heron dished piston small block?
Valves per cylinder? Any other engine details?
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It's an improvement over the Nevada...
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Looks like I'll be keeping my V7 Special for a few more years.
THIS ^^^^^^^
Which is a good thing, considering I just bought it, and am picking it up tomorrow. I'm glad I got it when I did, because the V7 Special is now absent from the Moto Guzzi USA website, replaced buy the V7 Scrambler (which I don't care for) for $1,600 more.
From I january 2017 all the bikes sold in UE should be Euro-4. To me is more probable they will extend the new motorization to the V7 line than to make the 750 Euro-4 compliant.
That's a good point. Or, if the V9 really takes off, and cannibalizes V7 sales, it could be the end of the V7 in the US. :cry:
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It's an improvement over the Nevada...
Could you set the bar any lower?
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That's a good point. Or, if the V9 really takes off, and cannibalizes V7 sales, it could be the end of the V7 in the US. :cry:
I really don't think so. The V7 is a best-seller, and, even with its sales halved, or worse, how much will cost to put the V7 tank and saddle over the V9 engine, since they have about the same frame? It will be convenient in any case to keep it in production.
Speaking of that, the V7 will be gorgeous with those heads and valve covers.
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I think the name is pretty cool. Certainly not typical, yet implies the machine is built to go places unknown, to prowl the many back roads and urban haunts of a big world!
No, it's horrible. Unless they purposely misspelled it "Rome'r" then I'd forgive them.
They could have named it:
Wanderer
Rambler (I doubt they'd get any backlash)
Traveler
But Roamer? No, doesn't work.
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I really don't think so. The V7 is a best-seller, and, even with its sales halved, or worse, how much will cost to put the V7 tank and saddle over the V9 engine, since they have about the same frame? It will be convenient in any case to keep it in production.
Speaking of that, the V7 will be gorgeous with those heads and valve covers.
Put the V7 tank on it and I'm WAY more interested.
Even if the Hp is barely improved.
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I really kind of wished they had named it the V8 so we could say to buyers of other mid size bikes ...
Dude , you could have had a V8
Dusty
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Put the V7 tank on it and I'm WAY more interested.
The article on Moto.it allude to the fact that the "guzzi garage" could be extended to the new V9.
It would be very interesting if the owner could simply choose the tank he likes.
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The article on Moto.it allude to the fact that the "guzzi garage" could be extended to the new V9.
It would be very interesting if the owner could simply choose the tank he likes.
Agreed!
I'll try to remain cautiously optimistic! :wink:
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It's an improvement over the Nevada...
actually if you squint a little it looks like a Nevada.. that thing looks BORING.
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Could you set the bar any lower?
At least the Nevada didn't look like a Sportster.
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At least the Nevada didn't look like a Sportster.
No, it didn't look that good. Instead it looked like a caricature of a Virago, which itself was already a caricature of s Sportster.
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looks like a boring Japanese bike
:thumb:
Yup, another clone bike. There is nothing to recommend it. New engine, OK but the rest of it might as well be parts plucked from old inventory.
Looks like a Suzuki.
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So do we know if this V9 is the big-block hemi head type motor vs the heron dished piston small block?
Valves per cylinder? Any other engine details?
It's a small block. New heads, but no confirmation on the specifics. Number of valves, combustion chamber, etc...
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:thumb:
Yup, another clone bike. There is nothing to recommend it. New engine, OK but the rest of it might as well be parts plucked from old inventory.
Looks like a Suzuki.
Geez, Louise.
You don't have to like it, but it's not THAT bad.
I don't like the Norge. But I know that it's a decent touring bike. Fat ugly pig that it is...
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Geez, Louise.
You don't have to like it, but it's not THAT bad.
I don't like the Norge. But I know that it's a decent touring bike. Fat ugly pig that it is...
UH OH :laugh:
Dusty
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Can't imagine anyone wanting to ride as passenger on that tipped up seat. Should be quite stable at speed though, nice rake at the front.
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No, it's horrible. Unless they purposely misspelled it "Rome'r" then I'd forgive them.
They could have named it:
Wanderer
Rambler (I doubt they'd get any backlash)
Traveler
But Roamer? No, doesn't work.
Hey, Kev - you know your first suggestion has already been done in Germany. Audi/DKW/Horsch/Wanderer ... the four components that made up Auto Union back when. But it is certainly a better name than Roamer :smiley:
You're right --- AMC wouldn't give them too much flak for using Rambler.
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Put the V7 tank on it and I'm WAY more interested.
Even if the Hp is barely improved.
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Oh, and put the foot controls back where they belong, and lower handlebars.
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The article on Moto.it allude to the fact that the "guzzi garage" could be extended to the new V9.
It would be very interesting if the owner could simply choose the tank he likes.
Put ugly bodywork on the stock model, and then sell the good looking stuff for extra money -- that's BRILLIANT!
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No, it didn't look that good. Instead it looked like a caricature of a Virago, which itself was already a caricature of s Sportster.
Yep.
(http://www.motorcyclespecs.co.za/Gallery%20%20A/Moto%20Guzzi%20Nevada%20750%20Club%2000%20%201.jpg)
(http://www.picautos.com/images/moto-guzzi-v-65-florida-06.jpg)
(http://databikes.com/imgs/a/c/i/j/c/yamaha__xv_1000_virago_xv1000_1985_1_lgw.jpg)
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Geez, Louise.
You don't have to like it, but it's not THAT bad.
I don't like the Norge. But I know that it's a decent touring bike. Fat ugly pig that it is...
UH OH :laugh:
Dusty
:popcorn:
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They dropped the Griso??????? Well that stinks.
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UH OH :laugh:
Dusty
:popcorn:
(http://advrider.com/styles/advrider_smilies/lol8.gif)
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Here is a lanesplitter link:
http://lanesplitter.jalopnik.com/heres-the-first-glimpse-at-the-all-new-moto-guzzi-v9-bo-1742446553 (http://lanesplitter.jalopnik.com/heres-the-first-glimpse-at-the-all-new-moto-guzzi-v9-bo-1742446553)
The name Roamer is all right. I'll bet that they name bikes so that the name will play in multiple languages. They are not too worried about the USA market.
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Well.
Hmm.
Little Goose has no worries being replaced with this bike.
But the engine is promising, and drop it into a V9R...could get interested.
I figure the new McMansion has room for at least two more bikes.
Maybe go nuts and get a Kawasaki Mach III two-stroke? That would be crazy.
I am still interested in the Indian Scout. Never seen one though. Houston must have some around, somewhere.
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I am still interested in the Indian Scout. Never seen one though. Houston must have some around, somewhere.
Maybe Victory will make a street legal version of this (engine derived from the Scout engine):
(http://www.truewheeler.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/2015-victory-project-156-pikes-peak-roland-sands-exposed-3.jpg)
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Maybe Victory will make a street legal version of this (engine derived from the Scout engine):
(http://www.truewheeler.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/2015-victory-project-156-pikes-peak-roland-sands-exposed-3.jpg)
Now that would certainly get my attention!
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Yep. There seems to be a little Triumph Bonneville design influence.
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Roamer. Maybe they could play the B52s as background music and have some good lookers with beehive hairdoos dancing around.
I'd watch.
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Could you set the bar any lower?
I'm still laughing! Seven words that said it all!
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Looks like an Italian Sportster... Not feeling it.. :bike-037:
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That 850cc engine will turn the pipes purple in the first 5 hours.
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the looks are a real boner-killer. Visually I hate everything about it. I was pretty stoked about this engine, but if that's the packaging (horrid/small tank, too-tall front end, 1.5 seat, spindly fork) I will say no thanks.
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Oh, well .... you knew someone was going to do it .......
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_tX3AnKiYb0
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Oh, well .... you knew someone was going to do it .......
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_tX3AnKiYb0
Here. A little more likely. LOL!
https://youtu.be/2Rd2FYeA-Q0
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The Madura's absence in this discussion is conspicuous. Don't embolden it.
(http://i1285.photobucket.com/albums/a581/ericlevy/main_2_zpsxzlougol.jpg) (http://s1285.photobucket.com/user/ericlevy/media/main_2_zpsxzlougol.jpg.html)
THAT is the bike that I was thinking of during this discussion, and couldn't think of the name.
Of course, you can't forget the mid-80's Honda Shadow:
(http://www.motorera.com/honda/h0750/shad750/vt750c-83a1.jpg)
Yes, aside from the the development of sport bikes, the 80's were a dark time for motorcycle design.
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Pics from link!
(http://i1299.photobucket.com/albums/ag77/Penderic/Penderic047/moto-guzzi-v9-roamer-latdx-bianco_zpsc2whbmej.jpg)
(http://i1299.photobucket.com/albums/ag77/Penderic/Penderic047/moto-guzzi-v9-roamer-34dx-bianco_zpsmdonvgpt.jpg)
Oh wow dude, I'm gonna grow a beard and cafe that bad boy out! Now where did I put that saws all?
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No one is perfect, they got it wrong sometimes :violent1:
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It seems a lot of V7 fans really don't like the V9. I think that's good news for Guzzi. Why on earth would they build another motorbike that appeals to "exactly" the same customer type? Keep your V7, or buy a new one! That's fine. This bike is aimed at a different target group, and that doesn't mean it's a cruiser. I don't care for cruisers. This is a standard, and I like the term "roadster". It's a great addition to the line up.
I can't understand the comments about the design being similar to the Nevada at all. I completely agree with KevM's post about that. The original Nevada looked like it was bent in the middle! Even back in the 80s I wouldn't have entertained owning one (no offence to any Nevada owners, tastes differ). But the V9 has a really nice visible frame line running straight from front to back. I think they got it right. It's certainly the first small block that I'd seriously consider buying.
John
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As unattractive as I find the new V9,( and I was being kind w/ the initial Nevada provocation), comparing it to a Suzuki Madura is unforgivable. Nothing ever has been as hideous as the Suzuki Madura. ( see picture. Non functional Bolted on cooling fins that are aligned vertically)
My thoughts on the new V9... put on a smaller headlight, install a 18 or 19 inch rear rim with a narrow rear tire, trim the rear fender a bit and you have the makings of a neat little dirt/street tracker.
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Geez, Louise.
You don't have to like it, but it's not THAT bad.
I don't like the Norge. But I know that it's a decent touring bike. Fat ugly pig that it is...
Geez, and here I thought YOU were a "Moderator" and a "Guzzi Hero"
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And allowed to have an opinion.
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And allowed to have an opinion.
I am honored...and no mention of rollers... :popcorn:
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At least they didn't call it something *really* weird like... stone. :cool:
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I, for one, was hoping that the V9 would be enough of an improvement to justify buying one. Yes, I like my V7. Now I see that the extra 100cc of engine was simply a nudge to 55 hp (up from 48 at the crank, 40 at the rear wheel) and no significant change to the suspension. It looks like the new bike carries less fuel, has no more electrical capacity, and still comes stock without a center stand. Hummm, that new Triumph twin gets more attractive all the time.
Peter Y.
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At least they didn't call it something *really* weird like... stone. :cool:
The only year that made any sense was 2002 with the limestone white, flint orange, slate, and ? Paint jobs.
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At least they didn't call it something *really* weird like... stone. :cool:
Yeah man that bike is "stone" fast and that touring bike is ambiguous its neither straight Nor-gay.
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It seems a lot of V7 fans really don't like the V9. I think that's good news for Guzzi. Why on earth would they build another motorbike that appeals to "exactly" the same customer type? Keep your V7, or buy a new one! That's fine. This bike is aimed at a different target group, and that doesn't mean it's a cruiser. I don't care for cruisers. This is a standard, and I like the term "roadster". It's a great addition to the line up.
While prefer the looks of the V7, I concur with this statement. I do hope to see this engine show up in the V7 (which may have to have it's name changed). Something different in the lineup that widens the appeal for the brand is definitely a good thing.
I can't understand the comments about the design being similar to the Nevada at all. I completely agree with KevM's post about that. The original Nevada looked like it was bent in the middle! Even back in the 80s I wouldn't have entertained owning one (no offence to any Nevada owners, tastes differ). But the V9 has a really nice visible frame line running straight from front to back.
As unattractive as I find the new V9,( and I was being kind w/ the initial Nevada provocation), comparing it to a Suzuki Madura is unforgivable. Nothing ever has been as hideous as the Suzuki Madura. ( see picture. Non functional Bolted on cooling fins that are aligned vertically)
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Agreed, it certainly does not look anything like the Nevada, Madura, etc.
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A modestly larger engine is nice. But the feet-forward appearance already has my back aching.
And an official introduction at Sturgis :rolleyes:... priceless.
I do hope they sell a ton of them. Evolve or die.
Steve.
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I think the basic looks are right.
Reminds me of the classic Brit iron of the late 60's.
(http://i1299.photobucket.com/albums/ag77/Penderic/Penderic047/norton%20scrambler_zpsj26nx2hk.jpg)
Similar form factor.
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And an official introduction at Sturgis :rolleyes:... priceless.
The "official intruduction" at Sturgis is of the MGX-21 Bagger.
The typical Sturgis attendees wouldn't be caught dead on an 850cc "girl's bike."
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And allowed to have an opinion.
We are , are you sure ? And what about a sense of humor , do we get to keep that also ?
Dusty
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They dropped the Griso for this!?!
If anyone was in doubt before, Moto Gheezer seems to be actively turning this brand into a old mans brand. The two wheeled equivalent of a Grand Marquis.
What's next? A Tan Palm Beach edition?
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They dropped the Griso for this!?!
If anyone was in doubt before, Moto Gheezer seems to be actively turning this brand into a old mans brand. The two wheeled equivalent of a Grand Marquis.
What's next? A Tan Palm Beach edition?
I wouldn't doubt but that the median age of small block buyers is near half of what it is for CARC nuyers.
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If anyone was in doubt before, Moto Gheezer seems to be actively turning this brand into a old mans brand.
I'm pretty sure the average V7 owner is way younger than the average Griso owner. And this probably will be true for the V9 also.
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I wouldn't doubt but that the median age of small block buyers is near half of what it is for CARC nuyers.
Yep , it is in fact younger nuyers that Guzzi is courting with the new V9 series .
Dusty
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Yep , it is in fact younger nuyers that Guzzi is courting with the new V9 series .
Dusty
Damn nuyers are ruining everything.
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Geez, and here I thought YOU were a "Moderator" and a "Guzzi Hero"
It was just a little bit of sarcasm intended to make the point that there are different strokes for different folks.
Neither being wrong or bad. Both being good and different, appealing to different folks.
:thumb:
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Damn nuyers are ruining everything.
Yeah , we had a stubborn infestation just Northwest of me , took a concerted effort from several folks to contain the problem :laugh:
Dusty
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First decent looking bike, (if it had spoke wheels) Guzzi has made since the Stones and so many nay sayers.
Roamer, It needs spoke wheels, a real saddle, both exhaust pipes on the left for better sidecar fitting.
Does anyone know how much they cost? And how to get one in Hawaii?
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Pics from link!
(http://i1299.photobucket.com/albums/ag77/Penderic/Penderic047/moto-guzzi-v9-roamer-latdx-bianco_zpsc2whbmej.jpg)
(http://i1299.photobucket.com/albums/ag77/Penderic/Penderic047/moto-guzzi-v9-roamer-34dx-bianco_zpsmdonvgpt.jpg)
Looks a lot like the the 750T in this advertisement:
(http://www.thisoldtractor.com/mg_images/advertisement_750t_1_zoom.jpg)
Doesn't do anything for me, but then I'm "irrelevant". :wink:
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I started riding in 1971. I bought all the cycle magazines. When I saw the V7 Sport for the first time, two things happened... 1.) I could not stop looking at it, 2.) I told my friends to look at it.
Visually, it was a stunner. Italy has always been great with beautiful styling. It happened two years ago when I rediscovered Moto Guzzi because I saw beautiful lines of the Griso and Norge! ... And again several weeks ago when I set my eyes on the 2016 Triumphs!!!! WOW!
The new Audace and El Dorado are beautiful. I was so much looking forward to a V10, a larger version of the beautiful V7. But what we got was the new Roamer. I love standards, but IMHO, something visually doesn't connect with the seat, tank, handlebar, and front fork. It's not cool, sexy, hip, or retro enough.
Some Moto Guzzi owners will lust after and probably add a new 2016 Triumph to their riding stable but I doubt many Triumph owners will add a new Roamer.
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I started riding in 1971. I bought all the cycle magazines. When I saw the V7 Sport for the first time, two things happened... 1.) I could not stop looking at it, 2.) I told my friends to look at it.
Visually, it was a stunner. Italy has always been great with beautiful styling. It happened two years ago when I rediscovered Moto Guzzi because I saw beautiful lines of the Griso and Norge! ... And again several weeks ago when I set my eyes on the 2016 Triumphs!!!! WOW!
The new Audace and El Dorado are beautiful. I was so much looking forward to a V10, a larger version of the beautiful V7. But what we got was the new Roamer. I love standards, but IMHO, something visually doesn't connect with the seat, tank, handlebar, and front fork. It's not cool, sexy, hip, or retro enough.
Some Moto Guzzi owners will lust after and probably add a new 2016 Triumph to their riding stable but I doubt many Triumph owners will add a new Roamer.
Merged with the Roamer love/hate fest .
Dusty
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I don't know. The Roamer is growing on me, especially if I could add a real two-up seat, a much larger gas tank, different bars...
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I need to see it in person. For starters, no CARC which, for me, is a good thing. That CARC did nothing positive for the looks of a bike. Current paint scheme does nothing for me. Since I hope to keep the Griso for a while longer that means I can wait to see what they come up with in the coming model years.
This may make a decent platform for a smaller Stelvio. At one point I'd be all over that but frankly Standards are my new hot button and this bike has potential. I'd need to raise the seat up I think, but as is, maybe not too uncomfortable.
Then put a Vetter fairing on her to tour with. :evil:
:boozing:
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Something about that bike reminds me of the Yamaha" Bolt". I think its the perfect platform for Guzzi to make a very nice scrambler. I think a big block "cafe" or V 7 racer styled bike like the new Thruxton 1200 is something Guzzi is missing the boat on. I think many Guzzisti have been waiting for a bike like that.
This new Roamer is nice though, and a step in the right direction. IMHO.
Rick.
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Spy shot of the new BMW scrambler that is going into production.
(http://i1299.photobucket.com/albums/ag77/Penderic/Penderic047/2016-BMW-R-nineT-Scrambler-leak-03_zpsixdh5kea.jpg)
Interesting. They moved the headlight back into a classic position. Put a set of low pipes on it and it would be a standard model.
http://www.asphaltandrubber.com/bikes/bmw-ninet-scrambler/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+AsphaltandRubber+%28Asphalt+%26+Rubber%29
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Cosmetic derivative of the R9T.
<yawn>
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Spy shot of the new BMW scrambler that is going into production.
That demonstrates that the BMW "oilhead" will be upgraded to Euro-4 too.
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Here is how Yamaha sells it:
https://youtu.be/L8gG-fWMAzQ
You can customise a bike in an app, and get it at the dealer, they assemble it in europe so it doesn't take long. Why can't Guzzi do that? With the low numbers it should be possible. And with big numbers: every car can be customised, out of very much options. Only in motorcycle we have to buy what they choose for us.
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That demonstrates that the BMW "oilhead" will be upgraded to Euro-4 too.
Well, the Audace is Euro4 too now, with the extra exhaust air supply valve. So the big engines can be too, I love to see a 1400 Stelvio.
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I too would like to know just what "sort" of motor resides in it. Piaggio states it is neither big block or small block, it is a new design. By the look of it, it is running the small block six speed. I am guessing that the design is taken from the small block but bigger to enable a beefier bottom end, and running a heron head with four valves. Just an opinion mind. :wink:
I like the look of the basic motor/gearbox/side panel system; it looks nice and clean. In my mind I then visualise a V7 type tank, a decent two-up seat, with upside down forks with decent sized stanchions with a riding position of my Baby B and you would have the perfect standard bike. Just an opinion mind. :wink: :wink: :wink:
Not that I intend to sell the Breva!
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I don't know. The Roamer is growing on me, especially if I could add a real two-up seat, a much larger gas tank, different bars...
:grin:
Yeah, I love the bike except I'd have to change the tank, seat, bars, rear fender, side panels and get it all painted. Then the rims would bug me and those would have to be changed too after I wore out the tires.
Screw it, I'll just keep what I've got.
PS. And I hope they sell truck loads of the Roarer.
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I'll have to see it in person and ride it. Guzzi has kept the weight in line - not a lot more than a Ducati Scrambler. If it has that extra 10hp everyone seems to want out of a V7 I might consider it.
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(http://images.moto.it/images/1360538/700x/moto-guzzi-v9-roamer-latdx-bianco.jpg)
They seem to be recalling the V65C with some of the styling accents of the Roamer
(http://i.ushipcdn.com/resize.php?path=%2fstatic%2f3477e1dd-590e-4bd2-b.jpg)
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They dropped the Griso for this!?!
If anyone was in doubt before, Moto Gheezer seems to be actively turning this brand into a old mans brand. The two wheeled equivalent of a Grand Marquis.
What's next? A Tan Palm Beach edition?
Other than the California series no model lasts for very long @ Moto Guzzi. They sell a batch of X model and move on. So if you like a certain model, best get you 1 while you can. :smiley:
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"who's motorcycle is it's" " its a chopper" 'who's chopper is its" Its Zed's Zed dead.This bike is dead.Guzzi stop trying to follow and lead.
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Spy shot of the new BMW scrambler that is going into production.
(http://i1299.photobucket.com/albums/ag77/Penderic/Penderic047/2016-BMW-R-nineT-Scrambler-leak-03_zpsixdh5kea.jpg)
Interesting. They moved the headlight back into a classic position. Put a set of low pipes on it and it would be a standard model.
http://www.asphaltandrubber.com/bikes/bmw-ninet-scrambler/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+AsphaltandRubber+%28Asphalt+%26+Rubber%29
I like that. Even the aluminum color! 'Corse, I've owned a few Beemers and always like to see a new boxer-based bike from them. But I won't like the price. So ...... soldier on, MG 1200 Sport and R100GS ..... don't fail me now!
Bob
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"who's motorcycle is it's" " its a chopper" 'who's chopper is its" Its Zed's Zed dead.This bike is dead.Guzzi stop trying to follow and lead.
Out of curiosity, how old are you and what do you currently ride, Zed? Er, I mean hauto...
I have a theory that I'm working on...
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Out of curiosity, how old are you and what do you currently ride, Zed? Er, I mean hauto...
I have a theory that I'm working on...
He is old enough to have seen Pulp Fiction :grin:
Dusty
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Other than the California series no model lasts for very long @ Moto Guzzi. They sell a batch of X model and move on. So if you like a certain model, best get you 1 while you can. :smiley:
I wouldn't say that's as true as you assert. The Griso was in production for a decade, and available in the US the whole run. The Stelvio and Norge have both been available for at least 6-7 years. The v7, has even been around a good while now that I think about it! The much besmirched Nevada has been a staple of guzzi production for decades, though only available in the US for 4-5 years, as I recall. Buy the way, late model Nevadas are much better looking than their older sisters, though, still a little wonky in my opinion.
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Wow, if a bike ever needed a rear fender, this bmw scrambler sure does!
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I ride a Quota.I was in 3rd grade when Kennedy was shot,do the math.
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I ride a Quota.I was in 3rd grade when Kennedy was shot,do the math.
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Dusty
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I ride a Quota.I was in 3rd grade when Kennedy was shot,do the math.
Perfect. Thanks,
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Kennedy? Isn't she the hot brunette on Fox with the glasses and the short dress? :laugh: :laugh:
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Perfect. Thanks,
OK Mike , something like anyone born before 1956 hates this thing ? :laugh:
Dusty
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I ride a Quota.I was in 3rd grade when Kennedy was shot,do the math.
Which Kennedy?
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I ride a Quota.I was in 3rd grade when Kennedy was shot,do the math.
I'm talking about when X model Guzzis are available as new models, not how long they last. I am also referring to when X models are available in the USA, not the whole world. Some models like the V7 came back reincarnated after disappearance since `74? The LeMans series was never expected to last more than 1 series, but since it was popular there was LM1, II thru V, then it disappeared for years, coming back in 2000 for a few years. Guzzi only makes a model until demand runs out. Capice?
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OK Mike , something like anyone born before 1956 hates this thing
You said it THING not me.I thought the 1980 jap choppers look like s--t This is nothing more than walking down the parts rows and seeing what we can put together.Moto Guzzi needs to get from under aprilia's thumb.
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What I don't like:
The hang tail stance.
Goofy not-a-buddy seat.
Stange and small tank.
Looks tough to tie anything onto.
A bit too much of the 80's Jap "Specials" for me in stance and bits.
What I do like:
Engine size.
Single throttle unit.
The ergoes it appears too present.
Truly air cooled.
Well... most any aspect of it which speaks to old school "standard".
A V-7 for the rest of us I guess.
Todd.
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You said it THING not me.I thought the 1980 jap choppers look like s--t This is nothing more than walking down the parts rows and seeing what we can put together.Moto Guzzi needs to get from under aprilia's thumb.
I am 61 and will bet that Guzzi sells a bunch of these "things" . They already build a couple of bikes for us old fooks , this MC isn't one of them . Look at how well the Star Bolt is selling .
Dusty
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I like what I like.2016 Bonneville,new LC BMW RS1200.MG Griso(except for the tail end of the seat) white KTMs, But thats why they make vanilla and chocolate.
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I like what I like.2016 Bonneville,new LC BMW RS1200.MG Griso(except for the tail end of the seat) white KTMs, But thats why they make vanilla and chocolate.
And strawberry , chocolate chip , peanut butter , etc etc :grin:
Dusty
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I am 61 and will bet that Guzzi sells a bunch of these "things" . They already build a couple of bikes for us old fooks , this MC isn't one of them . Look at how well the Star Bolt is selling .
Dusty
They might sell a bunch ..... but not to me. Agreed .... I'm an 'old fook', but all I'm asking for is a big block equivalent. Do they ever listen? I think this has been said way too many times.
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They might sell a bunch ..... but not to me. Agreed .... I'm an 'old fook', but all I'm asking for is a big block equivalent. Do they ever listen? I think this has been said way too many times.
Oh Bob , you are NOT an old fook :laugh:
Dusty
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You said it THING not me.I thought the 1980 jap choppers look like s--t This is nothing more than walking down the parts rows and seeing what we can put together.Moto Guzzi needs to get from under aprilia's thumb.
I know you don't like it, but I'm not seeing a lot of parts bin parts on this thing...
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OK Mike , something like anyone born before 1956 hates this thing ? :laugh:
Dusty
Ironic, since this is exactly the size/type of machine they rode the wheels off of 40 and 50 years ago..
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Ironic, since this is exactly the size/type of machine they rode the wheels off of 40 and 50 years ago..
Yeah , I had several bikes in that range . Isn't the V9 about what lots of forum members have been asking for?
Dusty
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I've been away and out of the loop but an 850 with ABOUT THE SAME Hp and Torque of the long-running V7 is NOT what anyone that I know has been asking for!
Hopefully, something more robust will be forthcoming in this platform.
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I've been away and out of the loop but an 850 with ABOUT THE SAME Hp and Torque of the long-running V7 is NOT what anyone that I know has been asking for!
Hopefully, something more robust will be forthcoming in this platform.
And besides, while the Nevada was an abysmal excuse for a Guzzi, Mr. Roamer just doesn't have the same ring to it as does Mr. Nevada.
Just sayin'...
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They dropped the Griso for this!?!
If anyone was in doubt before, Moto Gheezer seems to be actively turning this brand into a old mans brand. The two wheeled equivalent of a Grand Marquis.
What's next? A Tan Palm Beach edition?
How do you know the Griso has been dropped? I haven't heard anything.
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How do you know the Griso has been dropped? I haven't heard anything.
It was dropped. But not because of this new small block.
It was dropped because it was more than a decade old, didn't sell in large numbers, and didn't make a lot of money.
Remember when they dropped the price from $14490 to $12490 USD in order to sell them? MSRP did creep up to $12990, but it was still priced thousands below the Norge and Stelvio.
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It was dropped. But not because of this new small block.
It was dropped because it was more than a decade old, didn't sell in large numbers, and didn't make a lot of money.
Remember when they dropped the price from $14490 to $12490 USD in order to sell them? MSRP did creep up to $12990, but it was still priced thousands below the Norge and Stelvio.
Plus , there was no place to put the ABS pump .
Dusty
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Yeah , I had several bikes in that range . Isn't the V9 about what lots of forum members have been asking for?
Dusty
I'm one of those. So I'm keen on seeing it in person and sitting on it. From the photo's I'm not ready to go and buy one (that said, when the Tenni Griso came out THAT one grabbed my eye balls and I ended up with one). But it's a good start; it will be interesting to see where they go with this.
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I'm one of those. So I'm keen on seeing it in person and sitting on it. From the photo's I'm not ready to go and buy one (that said, when the Tenni Griso came out THAT one grabbed my eye balls and I ended up with one). But it's a good start; it will be interesting to see where they go with this.
Yeah , I like these things also , the next couple of years will be "interesting".
Dusty
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Does anyone know yet how much a roamer costs?
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Mama Mia! Datsa big front tire!
(http://i1299.photobucket.com/albums/ag77/Penderic/Penderic047/moto-guzzi-v9-bobber-2_zpspqcefzkk.jpg)
The rest of the bike looks like they lightened it up as much as they could. Half a side cover! No centerstand! You can see light between the frame and the smaller seat and tank. Whats this thing weigh again? :boozing:
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The RNineT does nothing for me, and neither does that BMW "scrambler." WTF.
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Plus , there was no place to put the ABS pump .
This is pretty much an excuse. If you want, you can place this on a Griso. Even in an already built one you can find the place.
(http://www.electronics-eetimes.com/images/news_sync_images/1-cc-16863.jpg)
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I'd like to see where? There really is very little space on a Griso.
Oh, the Piaggio site is back up and running but there is no parts list available yet for the V9 so I can't categorically confirm or deny what *New* stuff is lurking in this supposedly *New* engine.
Pete
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I'd like to see where? There really is very little space on a Griso.
Like in the most obvious place, the underseat (where usually there isn't a lighter socket). The thing will occupy approx half of the space there.
(http://s19.postimg.org/x2sbnttn7/Foto0093.jpg)
Not to say that they could have far more underseat space using the Alba / BB1 solution for the air filter, that's homologated, and works better than the original one.
(http://thekneeslider.com/images/2009/11/millepercento-engine.jpg)
Plenty of space over that gearbox.
(http://put.edidomus.it/dueruote/news/foto/guca04.jpg)
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With all of the piping and electronics it would still be a nightmare even if it did fit. The stock airbox works well, I have no idea as the the benefits or otherwise of the ghastly Alba thingy.
Pete
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That's a standard Griso vs an Alba (standard 1200 4V engine), both measured by the magazine "Motociclismo".
(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y262/DogW/ScreenHunter_7-1.jpg)
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I've read plenty about the Alba. Nothing about it impressed me.
Pete
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It was dropped. But not because of this new small block.
It was dropped because it was more than a decade old, didn't sell in large numbers, and didn't make a lot of money.
Remember when they dropped the price from $14490 to $12490 USD in order to sell them? MSRP did creep up to $12990, but it was still priced thousands below the Norge and Stelvio.
:huh:
The Griso is still on the motoguzzi.com and motoguzzi-us.com web sites.
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I've read plenty about the Alba. Nothing about it impressed me.
I wrote: Not to say that they could have far more underseat space using the Alba / BB1 solution for the air filter, that's homologated, and works better than the original one.
Not that the Alba have to impress you.
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So they revised the frame (slightly) presumably to allow more space for components.
Revised the engine presumably for emissions and to bring power in line with opposition.
They then decided to test water with some new designs which are more like triumph and Harley offerings or a Nevada replacement as showing the new platform in Racer, Scrambler, Norge...Grisso et al form would show too much intention.
By around 2017 there will be an 850 small Guzzi of some form or other, (probably 2 similar but different style bikes). If existing models like the V7 Special are selling expect these to be last to be V9 upgraded a couple of years later.
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There is always the question of the Euro-4 compliance. It will be mandatory from 1st january 2017.
So they have to decide if making the current 750 euro 4 compliant, adopt the 850 for all the SB line, or reducing the displacement of the new 850 for the V7 line.
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I've read plenty about the Alba. Nothing about it impressed me.
Pete
The Alba is one to see in real, then the lines work better, but driving it is even better, It feels clever made. And except the single TB with other ecu engine was stock, I was told but couldn't believe it, so eager it was.
Notice same classic color choice.
(http://www.mgcn.nl/images/stories/website/alba4.jpg)
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There is always the question of the Euro-4 compliance. It will be mandatory from 1st january 2017.
So they have to decide if making the current 750 euro 4 compliant, adopt the 850 for all the SB line, or reducing the displacement of the new 850 for the V7 line.
The Audace is euro 4, that way all 1400 cane be done, I don't know if same works for the 1200 engines. Or that they need the 5/7sm ecu to do it.
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I wrote: Not to say that they could have far more underseat space using the Alba / BB1 solution for the air filter, that's homologated, and works better than the original one.
Not that the Alba have to impress you.
But then you put up a picture of a dyno chart. Why do that if not to try and impress? It had no relevance to the question was of whether or not you could fit an ABS pump.
Perhaps I should be more specific. There is nowhere on a Griso you could easily mount an ABS pump. You could make the tank smaller and mount it under there but people already complain about the size of the tank so it would be at the very least unpopular.
We are getting way, way off topic with the original thread here. I wasn't trying to argue about the point, simply expressing my skepticism over its practicality.
Pete
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But then you put up a picture of a dyno chart. Why do that if not to try and impress? It had no relevance to the question was of whether or not you could fit an ABS pump.
Perhaps I should be more specific. There is nowhere on a Griso you could easily mount an ABS pump. You could make the tank smaller and mount it under there but people already complain about the size of the tank so it would be at the very least unpopular.
We are getting way, way off topic with the original thread here. I wasn't trying to argue about the point, simply expressing my skepticism over its practicality.
Pete
Pete,
Aprilia mounted the thing in an engine spoiler in another bike.
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Yah, the Capo and I think the V4's and Shiver. On the Capo you have to unbolt it to change the oil filter! Absurd! That wouldn't be an issue with the Guzzi engine I suppose but it would still be ugly as! :grin:
Pete
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But then you put up a picture of a dyno chart. Why do that if not to try and impress? It had no relevance to the question was of whether or not you could fit an ABS pump.
Cause you wrote: "The stock airbox works well, I have no idea as the the benefits or otherwise of the ghastly Alba thingy."
The chart simply shows the benefit you said you had no idea of.
I didn't imagine you'd prefer to continue not having it.
Sorry.
Perhaps I should be more specific. There is nowhere on a Griso you could easily mount an ABS pump.
But "easily" means little for those who assemble the bike. Maybe that, in some location, it would be not easy to dismount it in (the improbable) case repairs are needed. But that would certainly not be the only case. There are bikes you have to extensively dissassemble to change the plugs.
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:huh:
The Griso is still on the motoguzzi.com and motoguzzi-us.com web sites.
As a 2015, right?
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55HP, 45 FP Torque
Regretfully unimpressive
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Pete,
Aprilia mounted the thing in an engine spoiler in another bike.
If by engine spoiler you mean belly pan that sounds dangerous! Like run over some debris / take a hit to the sump - take the braking system out!
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55HP, 45 FP Torque
Regretfully unimpressive
Where are those numbers coming from?
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If by engine spoiler you mean belly pan that sounds dangerous! Like run over some debris / take a hit to the sump - take the braking system out!
The position maybe less than ideal, but the failure of the ABS doesn't affect the normal braking, and is shown by the warning light.
A lot of bikes have the oil cooler there, in a more exposed positon (since it has to be cooled by fresh air), and it's eventual failure due to a hit is far more dangerous (drop in oil pressure and/or oil on the rear tyre).
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It's just, when they want make an Euro4 abs griso, they can. But we will see.
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Where are those numbers coming from?
Divide by 750 and times by 850 by the look of things.
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In other news, Maserati just revealed their latest offering. Rich Italian heritage, passion and excellence all combined in this automotive piece of art...
(http://www.curbsideclassic.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/2-14-2013-103-1280x765.jpg)
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That looks like a 60s era Volvo.
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That looks like a 60s era Volvo.
I think that was kinda the point of the sarcasm.
The Volvo to the Maserati is like the Triumph Hurricane is to the V9 Roamer
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Oh look another cruiser, let me contain my excitement......... ................... .....YAWN!'
Wonder what size is the Alba fuel tank?
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Wonder what size is the Alba fuel tank?
My guess is 3.5 gallons.
I like big fuel tanks MORE than the average rider. I love the 5+ gallons of the V7 Special in my garage.
However, I understand that everyone does not need that range.
My last Sportster came to me with 2.25 gallon tank. I upgraded to 3.25 gallons. At that time, my riding did not require more than that, and the 150 miles range it provided. There are millions of motorcyclists in The USA who ride these types of bikes in urban and suburban areas, never going into the countryside. I know that when I rode Sportsters in Little Rock during my 20s, I didn't travel much, I worked a lot of hours, and I didn't have time for more than commuting and around-town fun.
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Wonder what size is the Alba fuel tank?
17 l, 4.4 gallons.
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17 l, 4.4 gallons.
Cheers, bit marginal though I like riding not looking for service stations.
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That looks like a 60s era Volvo.
You get a pass, as Volvo traditionally looks like a slow boat to China. That pic is likely an 81-84 Volvo!
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Cheers, bit marginal though I like riding not looking for service stations.
Marginal? Really. Isn't that about what the V7C has before the metal tank?
I mean, I'm with you and Rocker in that I love my 5.8 on the Stone, but 4.4 isn't bad, especially if it still gets 45-50 mpg and most of that is usable.
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The Griso is still on the motoguzzi.com and motoguzzi-us.com web sites.
As a 2015, right?
Perhaps, it doesn't specify.
The V7 Special is no longer on the site, even thought there was a 2015 V7 Special.
I don't remember, did we get a V7II Special?
I find it sad that the V7 Special is no longer available, and that you can't get gloss paint on the Stone. I like my bikes shiny.
55HP, 45 FP Torque
Regretfully unimpressive
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But, that's OK, because, I can remain happy with my two V7's and not covet a new V9.
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As a 2015, right?
Perhaps, it doesn't specify.
The V7 Special is no longer on the site, even thought there was a 2015 V7 Special.
I don't remember, did we get a V7II Special?
I find it sad that the V7 Special is no longer available, and that you can't get gloss paint on the Stone. I like my bikes shiny.
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But, that's OK, because, I can remain happy with my two V7's and not covet a new V9.
Today's ride (and conversation) did remind me how much I like the overall performance (power, efficiency, range, handling, feel) of the current V7.
I'll always consider another bike, adding to the fleet.
But like I said earlier today, maybe the 1TB V7 is my Airhead and I'll stop here...
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While people still, but to a lesser degree, ride what they have for what ever task comes up; those that like to tour, buy a touring bent bike. Not the V9.
Town riders, day riders, the V9 is the cats' meow.
Then there are those of us with more than one bike; we can simply choose the proper bike for the ride. If you insist on taking the V9 on a tour, well then, you simply accept what ever short comings it may have and compensate for them.
Now if it gets good mileage, the tank may be just fine thank you. :grin:
But before we hand wring about the tank size, I think we need to see if we'd even consider buying one.
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In other news, Maserati just revealed their latest offering. Rich Italian heritage, passion and excellence all combined in this automotive piece of art...
(http://www.curbsideclassic.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/2-14-2013-103-1280x765.jpg)
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder...I would love to have another (new) 240 Volvo like that. I've done a good million km in a couple myself.
I don't mind the Romer...just want a scrambler version much more!
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Looks like a jazzed up V65C to me, and I like it. Not likely I'd go more than a couple hundred miles on it for a day's ride tho.
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Volvos looked like the same box from the late 60s through the 80s.
What I don't see on that one is the Volvo circle and arrow icon on the grill.
is it removed?
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Volvos looked like the same box from the late 60s through the 80s.
What I don't see on that one is the Volvo circle and arrow icon on the grill.
is it removed?
It's there Jim .
Dusty
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Marginal? Really. Isn't that about what the V7C has before the metal tank?
but 4.4 isn't bad, especially if it still gets 45-50 mpg
It most likely won't not sure what the current 8 valvers are currently doing the 1100spot does about 33-36 (US gallons BTW) not pushing it along start pushing it along and that will drop to 24ish without much hesitation. We've done some welding to the tank of the spot its out to about 5.8 US gallons. Thats quiet workable I don't really give a rats if its done through more efficiency or simply a bigger fuel tank although generally if you want more HP too, make no mistake I want, then generally you have to feed it more fuel. 200km range when riding in a "sportsman like manner" with some reserve is what I consider reasonable anything else around needs needs lots of planning ahead. I do remember a big trip I did some years ago on a stock spot and having to stop at short intervals and put some tiny amount of fuel in because the thing didn't have the range to skip that place and make the next one.
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Ridden *Normally* my G12 will go 5 litres per hundred. More enthusiasm and it'll drop to six. Flat maggot? Pick a number.
Pete
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The sad thing to me is that the press response is going to be so predictable:
After years of pointing out that the V7 Achilles heal is a lack of power- they give us only 10 more hp? There are plenty of bikes out there that will burp out that increase just by changing exhaust and mapping.
The suspension is going to be really cheap. I mean bottom of the barrel, "we don't even make stuff like this anymore" cheap. The response, once again, will be that the bike is limited when things heat up.
The tank- well, you can guess. It's going to have a range of something like 75 miles.
Taken together, the press will damn the bike through faint praise. While giving a nod to heritage and character, they'll say that the bike is best suited for "roaming" around town to the local coffee shop.
Truly great design paves new ground and takes some chances- look at the Griso and 1400. This design is derivative and hopes to lure in people who (for some reason) like the "bobber" look. Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe it was designed by the marketing department who have determined it is a hipster magnet.
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It most likely won't not sure what the current 8 valvers are currently doing the 1100spot does about 33-36 (US gallons BTW) not pushing it along start pushing it along and that will drop to 24ish without much hesitation.
My B11 got 38 mpg at WORST but was capable of as high as 45.
Repirts are this is still a 2V smallblock and they still probably weighs nearly 100# less than a CARC 4V or 8V and makes half the Hp of the 8V.
So shouldn't the mpg be much closer to that of the other smallblocks which are getting 45-55 mpg based on use?
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The sad thing to me is that the press response is going to be so predictable:
After years of pointing out that the V7 Achilles heal is a lack of power- they give us only 10 more hp? There are plenty of bikes out there that will burp out that increase just by changing exhaust and mapping.
And initial report is 5, not even 10.
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The V7 Special is no longer on the site, even thought there was a 2015 V7 Special.
I don't remember, did we get a V7II Special?
I find it sad that the V7 Special is no longer available, and that you can't get gloss paint on the Stone. I like my bikes shiny.
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But, that's OK, because, I can remain happy with my two V7's and not covet a new V9.
The 'Special' is still there...it's just been re-badged as a V7II Scrambler/Special.
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My B11 got 38 mpg at WORST but was capable of as high as 45.
Repirts are this is still a 2V smallblock and they still probably weighs nearly 100# less than a CARC 4V or 8V and makes half the Hp of the 8V.
So shouldn't the mpg be much closer to that of the other smallblocks which are getting 45-55 mpg based on use?
With possible on of the biggest cams ever fitted by the factory to a two valver and some big slurpy FCR flat slides and without the advantages of dual plugs not a hop on anything that would be described as a regular basis. If you are really kind you might crack 40's the B11 engine tune was pretty tame by comparison.
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With possible on of the biggest cams ever fitted by the factory to a two valver and some big slurpy FCR flat slides and without the advantages of dual plugs not a hop on anything that would be described as a regular basis. If you are really kind you might crack 40's the B11 engine tune was pretty tame by comparison.
Where are you getting this information?
Reportedly this thing only makes 55 hp at the crank while my V7 makes 50 hp there (maybe that's 45 and 40 RWHP by comparison).
WHY would that make SUCH a difference in fueling so as to make it less efficient than my 75 (RWHP) and 100# heavier B11?
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My B11 got 38 mpg at WORST but was capable of as high as 45.
Repirts are this is still a 2V smallblock and they still probably weighs nearly 100# less than a CARC 4V or 8V and makes half the Hp of the 8V.
So shouldn't the mpg be much closer to that of the other smallblocks which are getting 45-55 mpg based on use?
Mind that 17 l is the tank of the Alba (since that was the queston). I don't know how big is the tank of the v9.
My guess for the V9 however is 16 l / 4.2 gallons. The tank seemed pretty wide in the spy shots. and 16 l is the dimension of the tank of the old SB standard bikes.
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Reportedly where?
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Where are you getting this information?
Reportedly this thing only makes 55 hp at the crank while my V7 makes 50 hp there (maybe that's 45 and 40 RWHP by comparison).
WHY would that make SUCH a difference in fueling so as to make it less efficient than my 75 (RWHP) and 100# heavier B11?
I'm talking about my 1100 sport and the fuel range I get out of it and what I want out of the Alba, yes I want more power out of my 1100 sport, 7 pages you must expect some thread drift, i'm really really not interested in a cruiser of any variety including the latest version.
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The 'Special' is still there...it's just been re-badged as a V7II Scrambler/Special.
For $1,600 more than the Special with a high pipe that I, for one, among others, wouldn't want, so that is even more money to get different headers and mufflers.
I don't see why they can't offer both. The Special was already vetted for EPA complience, so, it isn't like they had to get a different bike certified.
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This design is derivative and hopes to lure in people who (for some reason) like the "bobber" look. Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe it was designed by the marketing department who have determined it is a hipster magnet.
The bobber and "brat" look (Roamer) are popular among the Hipster crowd. A lot of Honda CB's and Yamaha XS650's get modified by their owners for one of these two looks. Moto Guzzi are offering that crowd a new bike with that look out of the box. It isn't my thing, but, if it brings more buyers to the brand, then it is a good thing IMHO. I'm not a cruiser guy either, but, the fact that MG builds and sells cruisers, helps keep them around so that they can build bikes I like (like the V7).
You gotta think that MG aren't going to show all their cards before the opening of EIMCA. Who knows, maybe they'll unveil a V9 Racer with USD forks at the show.
IIRC, I read that the torque peak of this 850 comes in a 3,000 RPM. Yeah, the peak HP is only 5 more than the V7. The weight is to be the same or a little more than the V7. With a torque peak that low, the 850 will be quicker where the bike is ridden, and feel stronger. While not a huge improvement, I'll bet it is quite noticeable. Heck, the 1TB V7 motor wasn't rated any higher in peak HP than the 2TB. I've owned both bikes (one 2TB, and now two 1TB). I definitely like the 1TB motor better. It has more low end torque, and a broader torque curve overall.
The V7 is a great seller for MG. I predict that the V9 motor finds its way into the V7 line. Maybe not this year, but soon. The V7 motor may not meet Euro 5 standards that come into effect for 2017. I'll be the V9 motor does. And, maybe that is why it is only 5 HP more. A V7 motor that meets Euro 5 might only be 45 HP.
And, I'll say it again. The style of these two V9 bikes might not appeal to the old geezers on this forum, but, like Cadillac when they came out with their new, edgy look, several years ago, MG is trying top appeal to a younger crowd. Kudos to them for trying, I hope it pays off.
For now, and many years to come, I'm going to enjoy the two V7's that I have.
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IIRC, I read that the torque peak of this 850 comes in a 3,000 RPM. Yeah, the peak HP is only 5 more than the V7.
Looking at the dyno run from my single TB V7 I see the max torque of 39 ft-lb at about 2700 rpm. Torque dips to about 35.5 at 4K and then stays between 35 and 37 up to 5700 rpm. Overall the torque curve is pretty flat. All this with a Rexxer map. The stock map had almost the same max torque at the same rpm but there was a big dip starting at about 3.5K rpm. Since the absolute numbers are pretty small, what looks like a huge dip is actually only down to 34 ft-lbs but that's still 13%. My point is that the V7 already had torque at 3K rpm so the extra 100cc is not significant.
I'm with Leafman60 on this. I just can't see enough change here to justify the R&D expense for something that will only sell, maybe, 1000 units per year. That's based on 7K units worldwide for all Guzzi models, 50% were V7 so that's 3.5K, V9 Roamer would have to suck up 1/3 of the V7 market. The only justification I can see is if the V7 fails to meet the new emission standards and the V9 does. If that's the case we can kiss the V7 goodbye and expect a broader range of V9's in '17.
Peter Y.
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The only justification I can see is if the V7 fails to meet the new emission standards and the V9 does. If that's the case we can kiss the V7 goodbye and expect a broader range of V9's in '17.
That's my thought, too, Peter..
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The only justification I can see is if the V7 fails to meet the new emission standards and the V9 does. If that's the case we can kiss the V7 goodbye and expect a broader range of V9's in '17.
That's my thought, too, Peter..
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And, it is likely that the only way they could meet emissions without loss of performance was to increase the displacement.
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That's my thought, too, Peter..
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And, it is likely that the only way they could meet emissions without loss of performance was to increase the displacement.
That's a play from the book of Harley... after the 1340cc EVO they lost their friggin' minds. From 1999-present (just a short decade and a half) the TC motor grew from 1442cc to 1573cc to 1687cc to now 1802cc.
And it's not like it was about HP.
Part of it was simple over-compensation, but the rest was probably about emissions.
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That's a play from the book of Harley... after the 1340cc EVO they lost their friggin' minds. From 1999-present (just a short decade and a half) the TC motor grew from 1442cc to 1573cc to 1687cc to now 1802cc.
And it's not like it was about HP.
Part of it was simple over-compensation, but the rest was probably about emissions.
The Norton Commando grew from 750 CC's to 850 CC's for that very reason , as largely did the Triumph go from a 650 CC engine to a 750 CC engine .
Dusty
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The Norton Commando grew from 750 CC's to 850 CC's for that very reason , as largely did the Triumph go from a 650 CC engine to a 750 CC engine .
Dusty
The difference being that the Norton and Trumpets were still pretty reasonable in size.
I have a CAR MOTOR that's smaller than current BT motors, actually I've had THREE CARS WITH MOTORS SMALLER THAN THE CURRENT BT... Four if you count the 1.8T VW that was still smaller than at least the biggest of the current Harley motors.
That's ridiculous.
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The difference being that the Norton and Trumpets were still pretty reasonable in size.
I have a CAR MOTOR that's smaller than current BT motors, actually I've had THREE CARS WITH MOTORS SMALLER THAN THE CURRENT BT... Four if you count the 1.8T VW that was still smaller than at least the biggest of the current Harley motors.
That's ridiculous.
Oh I agree that MC engines have become stupid big , although for 5 seconds or so a Rocket 3 under full throttle allows the rider to see creation :evil: My point was that a displacement bump allowing a detune to meet emission regs isn't new .
Dusty
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Oh I agree that MC engines have become stupid big , although for 5 seconds or so a Rocket 3 under full throttle allows the rider to see creation :evil: My point was that a displacement bump allowing a detune to meet emission regs isn't new .
Dusty
I get that, but I guess I'm saying it's been taken to extremeness by HD. Maybe I should have said, they've taken it to an art form lol.
Oh and yeah, I enjoyed demo of an RIII, but I'd never buy one and not because the bike itself is too big.
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I get that, but I guess I'm saying it's been taken to extremeness by HD. Maybe I should have said, they've taken it to an art form lol.
Oh and yeah, I enjoyed demo of an RIII, but I'd never buy one and not because the bike itself is too big.
No way could I afford the gas and tires an R3 consumes :evil:
Yeah , the displacement wars remind me of the 1960's battle between the big 3 , and the AMC . "Go ahead and build a 440 , we'll build a 454" :grin:
Dusty
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The difference being that the Norton and Trumpets were still pretty reasonable in size.
I have a CAR MOTOR that's smaller than current BT motors, actually I've had THREE CARS WITH MOTORS SMALLER THAN THE CURRENT BT... Four if you count the 1.8T VW that was still smaller than at least the biggest of the current Harley motors.
That's ridiculous.
Not apples to apples. At least two of those car motors are turbos. I do get your point though.
Car engine size is shrinking quickly and relying on boost. Many are in the the 1.0 to 1.4L range.
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Maybe those flat top rails would take a T3 tank and shorty seat! 24 liters/ 6.3 U.S. gallons.
T3-like power with a lot less weight would be fun enough. I'm getting excited again.
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I surely like the current V7 looks over the Roamer. Even the name turns me off to it.
Just curious if this was designed in Pasadena at the Piaggio Design Center, which is headed up by Miguel Galluzzi?
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Just curious if this was designed in Pasadena at the Piaggio Design Center, which is headed up by Miguel Galluzzi?
Shirley, it was...
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Does anyone know if the V9 frame is based on the V7 and about the same size? Or has it been scaled up some. I am kinda tall and would like the new bike to be a bit bigger than the V7. Tonti frames fit me very well.
Mark
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If not already posted here, go to www.motorcycledaily .com for all specs, more pics, info. :smiley:
If weight is similar to my 750 Breva, 7 more hp would be enough for me. But I won't switch seats anytime soon. :undecided:
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If not already posted here, go to www.motorcycledaily .com for all specs, more pics, info. :smiley:
"THE V9 ROAMER AND THE V9 BOBBER ARE MOTO GUZZI’S EASY CRUISERS...."
I would have avoided that wording as it reminds me of light beer.
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Does anyone know if the V9 frame is based on the V7 and about the same size? Or has it been scaled up some. I am kinda tall and would like the new bike to be a bit bigger than the V7. Tonti frames fit me very well.
Mark
It looks to be very close dimensionally to the V7. Though ergonomically it may offer a smidge more room.
If not already posted here, go to www.motorcycledaily .com for all specs, more pics, info. :smiley:
If weight is similar to my 750 Breva, 7 more hp would be enough for me. But I won't switch seats anytime soon. :undecided:
They're claiming about the same weight as the current smallblocks needing low to mid 400's.
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It looks to be very close dimensionally to the V7. Though ergonomically it may offer a smidge more room.
Ergonomically, the handlebars are higher, the foot pegs look to be several inches more forward. Both problems could likely be fixed with V7 or aftermarket parts.
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Ergonomically, the handlebars are higher, the foot pegs look to be several inches more forward. Both problems could likely be fixed with V7 or aftermarket parts.
Neither sound like problems to me.
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An accessories catalogue is now available. Unfortunately, it does not show any seat options (you know, in case you want to take your non-Italian-Supermodel friend for a ride with you).
How about the tag line?
V9
THE REAL THING
Because the only thing that counts out there is what you are within.
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Does anyone know if the V9 frame is based on the V7 and about the same size? Or has it been scaled up some. I am kinda tall and would like the new bike to be a bit bigger than the V7. Tonti frames fit me very well.
Mark
It's V7 small block based, but there is a new lower frame rail, which appears to be a couple inches lower than the V7.
Pegs are forward a little from the V7, so there will be more leg room.
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Am I the only one who likes a tachometer? Oh dear. :huh:
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Mind that 17 l is the tank of the Alba (since that was the queston). I don't know how big is the tank of the v9.
My guess for the V9 however is 16 l / 4.2 gallons. The tank seemed pretty wide in the spy shots. and 16 l is the dimension of the tank of the old SB standard bikes.
Spec. sheet says 15L gas tank @ motorcycledaily
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Am I the only one who likes a tachometer? Oh dear. :huh:
I kind of assumed that it is incorporated into the single instrument pod in some way like on the Cali 1400, and I believe on the Scrambler, New Bonnie, Scout, and all of the Harley air-cooled line for the last few years that have a single instrument pod.
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Am I the only one who likes a tachometer? Oh dear. :huh:
Likely the same setup as a Cal 14.
Tach and speedo in the same unit.
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The specs indicate a double cardan joint...could this open up the possibility of a future model with increased rear suspension travel? Something more Stelvio than Scrambler.
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:laugh:
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I'm digging the yellow too. The V9 is starting to grow on me after seeing it in yellow.
Guzzi should allow mix-and match ordering of these.
I'd want the Roamer in Yellow, but, with the black pipes and mirrors from the Bobber.
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E' un pezzo di merda! Fa fan cullo!!!
Give us sport or go f*** yourselves Piaggio!
A Harley cruiser, really? I mean, really?
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Not a fan of yellow; but that bike has my attention. :evil:
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Good god! You guys really are the problem. 75 grumpy fucs arm chair quarter backing about how Piaggio,(the only reason Guzzi exists in 2015) screwed the pooch!
It's gonna be a long winter for a lot of you.
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Piaggio may well of saved Guzzi but now it seems they are determined to piss on its history.
I'd rather stab myself in the neck with a hypodermic full of botulotoxin than call this horrid little monstrosity a Guzzi.
Pete
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Piaggio may well of saved Guzzi but now it seems they are determined to piss on its history.
I'd rather stab myself in the neck with a hypodermic full of botulotoxin than call this horrid little monstrosity a Guzzi.
Pete
I'm not a fan of it either, but, face it, during the last 25 years, Guzzi has sold way more California cruisers than sporting Guzzis. That is the market that they sell to.
And, as for sport bikes, well, sport bike buyers are going for Ducati or Japanese bikes. Most of them wouldn't give Guzzi another look.
There are a lot of hipsters out there. You can't blame Guzzi for going after that market. You don't have to like it. If it helps keep Guzzi around to be "going out of business" for another 95 years, then it is a good thing. Hopefully, Guzzi will replace the Griso with something else you do like.
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Neither sound like problems to me.
Sounds like problems to me. The exhaust is in the way of moving the foot controls aft. And.. just what's up with that brake lever?? Do you have to take your foot off the peg to use it? I know my ankle doesn't bend like that.. I *really* dislike those controls.
Color me unimpressed.
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And.. just what's up with that brake lever?? Do you have to take your foot off the peg to use it? I know my ankle doesn't bend like that.. I *really* dislike those controls.
Color me unimpressed.
The rear brake pedal is annoying on my V7 Special. I like my brake pedal adjusted low, and it doesn't appear to have any adjustment available. The brake pedal on the V9 looks even worse. It would annoy me to no end.
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So how do y'all think it will stand up to the Scout 60? $8,999 for a Scout...
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Good god! You guys really are the problem. 75 grumpy fucs arm chair quarter backing about how Piaggio,(the only reason Guzzi exists in 2015) screwed the pooch!
It's gonna be a long winter for a lot of you.
There seem to be three distinct groups of Guzzisti these days; those that want Guzzi to stay in the 80s and 90s, those that want Guzzi to get back into racing, and those that want a little modern trend edge to their Guzzi (ironically with a retro twist). The first group simply can't stand anything that doesn't look enough like a Cal Vin or Nevada. The second is starting to realize they probably will need to go look at Aprilia for Piaggio's sporty offerings. The third is pretty happy with the direction Guzzi is going.
I fall somewhere between groups 2 and 3.
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There seem to be three distinct groups of Guzzisti these days; those that want Guzzi to stay in the 80s and 90s, those that want Guzzi to get back into racing, and those that want a little modern trend edge to their Guzzi (ironically with a retro twist). The first group simply can't stand anything that doesn't look enough like a Cal Vin or Nevada. The second is starting to realize they probably will need to go look at Aprilia for Piaggio's sporty offerings. The third is pretty happy with the direction Guzzi is going.
I fall somewhere between groups 2 and 3.
Yeah, and since I don't want an Aprilia of any kind, I don't know where my motorcycle future will lead.
I like my V7 Special for commuting and around-town duty. I love my Sport 1100 for back roads blasting and longer distance SPORT-touring. I actually kind of miss my V11 Nero Corsa. It was a helluva 2-up sport-touring bike for my needs.
I value good suspension, and wish Guzzi would take heed from the Thruxton R, and throw us some bones. The BIG hole in my V7 Special's fun factor is the bargain bin suspension. I'd have paid more for better forks. Really I would've.
Maybe Norge and Stelvio will have replacements coming down the pike that will make me like them better. A lighter, half-faired replacement for the Norge would pique my interest. A smaller, lighter Stelvio would, too.
About the coolest bike I've seen in the new releases is the Triumph Thruxton R. A Bellagio-based competitor for that bike would really interest me.
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About the coolest bike I've seen in the new releases is the Triumph Thruxton R. A Bellagio-based competitor for that bike would really interest me.
Agree...and I wish Guzzi would do something in that 1200 gap to revamp the Griso. I feel like they've given up on it.
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Agree...and I wish Guzzi would do something in that 1200 gap to revamp the Griso. I feel like they've given up on it.
Take a Bellagio frame, add Ohlins USD forks and rear shock, add a 1200 8V engine, add Guzzi-styled retro bodywork, and it would be a home-run. Definitely something that would grab my attention.
It could fill the gap being left by Griso, and also be attractive to the retro hipsters (like me, I guess).
I don't believe Guzzi has abandoned the 1100/1200 cc segment. Something tells me we'll see them shown next year as 2017s, meeting the new Euro emissions.
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Take a Bellagio frame, add Ohlins USD forks and rear shock, add a 1200 8V engine, add Guzzi-styled retro bodywork, and it would be a home-run. Definitely something that would grab my attention.
It could fill the gap being left by Griso, and also be attractive to the retro hipsters (like me, I guess).
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I don't believe Guzzi has abandoned the 1100/1200 cc segment. Something tells me we'll see them shown next year as 2017s, meeting the new Euro emissions.
I hope you are right.
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Sounds like problems to me. The exhaust is in the way of moving the foot controls aft. And.. just what's up with that brake lever?? Do you have to take your foot off the peg to use it? I know my ankle doesn't bend like that.. I *really* dislike those controls.
Color me unimpressed.
Oh, I'm saying I probably wouldn't want/need to make any changes, as the new ergos are probably even more comfortable for me (not that the V7 is bad).
And Rocker, really? Hmmm, never had any problem with the brake pedal position on the V7.
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There are a lot of hipsters out there.
A lot of people keep calling out these supposed Hipsters.
1. Are there really THAT many of them. Maybe we frequent different places. I don't spend much time on college campuses or college bars anymore. We did seem to run into some last time we went drinking and carousing in Philly, but it's not like they were over-running the place like ants. I've run into a handful in a couple of shops. I dunno.
But even so
2. Why do people keep using the term like it is a bad thing. Like Okies... different doesn't have to be bad.
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There seem to be three distinct groups of Guzzisti these days; those that want Guzzi to stay in the 80s and 90s, those that want Guzzi to get back into racing, and those that want a little modern trend edge to their Guzzi (ironically with a retro twist). The first group simply can't stand anything that doesn't look enough like a Cal Vin or Nevada. The second is starting to realize they probably will need to go look at Aprilia for Piaggio's sporty offerings. The third is pretty happy with the direction Guzzi is going.
I fall somewhere between groups 2 and 3.
I think I'm mostly in Group 3... but can understand group 2 even if I'd never buy anything else from Aprilia because it's too insectoid.
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But even so
2. Why do people keep using the term like it is a bad thing. Like Okies... different doesn't have to be bad.
Hey , what's wrong with Okies ? :grin:
Dusty
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Hey , what's wrong with Okies ? :grin:
Dusty
I see what you did there... :thewife: :popcorn:
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My first impression of the Roamer was it wasn't very good looking. Then I saw the Boomer and realized it was the fenders that don't work on the Roamer. Give the Roamer the bobbed rear fender and a front fender that fits the larger diameter front tire and you have a start. Right now it appears the Roamer has the fender off the Boomer which doesn't follow the tire profile.
That would cover the cosmetics for me. Now just add a second front disk, port injection for both cylinders and another 20 HP and I could get interested again.
Pete
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Now just add a second front disk, port injection for both cylinders and another 20 HP and I could get interested again.
Pete
Put me down for the second disc.
But for the record, they HAVE port injection on both cylinders right now.
The Single Throttle body for air management is only that, for AIR management. No one (that I'm aware of) has used throttle body injection since, jeez, the 80s (maybe 90s)?
For the record, I'm working on big Yamahas right now (200-350 hp outboards) that have all gone from multiple throttle bodies (that need to be synched) to a single throttle body in the past decade.
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And Rocker, really? Hmmm, never had any problem with the brake pedal position on the V7.
Remember that I come from bikes with rearsets and adjustable levers.
And, it may have to do with limited range of motion in my ankle. I can rotate my foot down a long way, but not up too much.
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Good god! You guys really are the problem. 75 grumpy fucs arm chair quarter backing about how Piaggio,(the only reason Guzzi exists in 2015) screwed the pooch!
It's gonna be a long winter for a lot of you.
Why would it be a long winter for us "grumpy fucs"? I have three great bikes and warm southern winter weather.
I would rather see Guzzi build something truly Italian and sexy than some Harley clone and this makes me grumpy?
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Why would it be a long winter for us "grumpy fucs"? I have three great bikes and warm southern winter weather.
I would rather see Guzzi build something truly Italian and sexy than some Harley clone and this makes me grumpy?
Any chance "grumpy" just come naturally :grin:
Dusty
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GM seems to have turned Cadillac around from a grumpy old fart car to a well healed hipster car (intentionally trolling there :evil: ) so it would be cool for many of the old guard to see Piaggio take Moto Guzzi down the same road and bring back some of the old excitement MG use to bring to the road.
Hey, if Piaggio hooks enough young folks that want to upgrade to sportier Moto Guzzi and not one of the other brands Piaggio has, making a sportier MG would be the way to go. In the mean time, hopefully they will excite enough of the younger crowd that that could be an option in the future.
The best option for us old farts will be to stay in good enough shape to ride and avoid the four wheeled electric scooters so we can upgrade to a cool Guzzi when it comes out.
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Remember that I come from bikes with rearsets and adjustable levers.
And, it may have to do with limited range of motion in my ankle. I can rotate my foot down a long way, but not up too much.
Maybe you need a set of V7 Racer or aftermarket rear sets.
Your V7 Special is a great base -- make it yours.
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Maybe you need a set of V7 Racer or aftermarket rear sets.
Your V7 Special is a great base -- make it yours.
I agree, but Kev was saying to do that with the V9, too.. and it doesn't look practical to me.
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I agree, but Kev was saying to do that with the V9, too.. and it doesn't look practical to me.
LOL, no actually you misread me.
JAY was saying to do that to deal with the "problems" of the ergonomics on the V9.
I was saying the ergonomics of the V9 don't pose me any problems in the first place.
I wasn't saying (as you read) that it "wasn't a problem to make those changes", I was saying "I don't need/want those changes".
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I think the lower and more forward pegs on the Roamer will be nice.
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I was saying the ergonomics of the V9 don't pose me any problems in the first place.
By looking at it, I would agree, but until I ride it, not so sure.
The seat looks a bit thin - not certain if that is part of the ergonomics.
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By looking at it, I would agree, but until I ride it, not so sure.
The seat looks a bit thin - not certain if that is part of the ergonomics.
Good point. I was more referring to seat-to-peg and reach to bars, but obviously the seat can effect that. And more importantly I rarely like the OEM seat from a long distance comfort standpoint.
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Seats are much easier (and cheaper) to correct than most suspension bits. It has gotten to the point where the factory seat is assumed to be crap and that I'll be upgrading it.
So crappy seats are no longer a consideration in buying a bike for me.
In fact, this one looks like such a crappy seat that I'm sure I don't even have to pretend to like it.
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Don't know if this has been posted:
ENGINE
Type 90° V-twin, 4-stroke, 2-valves per cylinder
Cooling air and oil
Engine capacity 853 cm³
Bore and stroke 84 x 77 mm
Compression ratio 10.5: 1
Maximum power 40,44 kW (55 HP) at 6,250 rpm
Torque 62 Nm at 3,000 rpm
Fuel system Marelli MIU single-body electronic injection, integrated management of traction control on 2 levels
Starter electric
Exhaust system stainless steel, 2-in-2 type, three-way catalytic converter with double lambda probe
Emissions compliance Euro 4
TRANSMISSION
Gearbox 6 speeds with final overdrive
Gear ratio values 1st 16/39 = 1: 2,437
2nd 18/32 = 1: 1,778
3rd 21/28 = 1: 1,333
4th 24/26 = 1: 1,083
5th 25/24 = 1: 0,96
6th 28/24 = 1: 0,857
Primary drive with helical teeth, ratio 21/25 = 1: 1.190)
Final drive double universal joint and double bevel gear units (8/33 ratio = 1: 4,125)
Clutch Ø 170 mm single disc with integrated flexible couplings
CHASSIS
Chassis ALS steel twin tube cradle frame
Wheelbase 1480 mm
Trail 125.1 mm (116.1 mm)
Headstock angle 26.4°
Steering angle 38°
Front suspension traditional fork, Ø 40 mm
Front wheel travel 130 mm
Rear suspension swingarm with double shock absorber with adjustable spring preload.
Rear wheel travel 97 mm
Front brake stainless steel floating disc, Ø 320 mm Brembo opposed four-piston callipers
Rear brake stainless steel floating disc, Ø 260 mm Brembo opposed two-piston callipers
Wheels Aluminium alloy
Front wheel rim 2.50” x 19” (3,50” x 16”)
Rear wheel rim 4.00” x 16”
Front tyre 100/90 R 19” (130/90 R 16”)
Rear tyre 150/80 R 16”
ELECTRICAL SYSTEM
System voltage 12 V
Battery 12V – 18 Ah
DIMENSIONS
Length 2134 mm (2124 mm)
Width 722,4 mm (892,3 mm)
Height 1110 mm
Saddle height 775 mm (770 mm)
Kerb weight ± 200 Kg
Fuel tank capacity 15 litres
Reserve 4 litres
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It definitely looks better with some color on it. Still not my cup o scotch, but I don't hate it. I see a lot more '70s brit bike influence than HD. Anyone else notice a lot more small bikes running around these days?. I see lots of little ninja and cbr 250s buzzing around. Maybe there's a niche and the V9 will sell like hotcakes! I hope so. http://static.panorama-auto.it/var/ezflow_site/storage/images/media-library/o/moto-guzzi-v9-roamer-tre-quarti-posteriore-2-eicma-2015/14762584-1/Moto-Guzzi-V9-Roamer-tre-quarti-posteriore-2-EICMA-2015_horizontal_lancio_sezione_grande_doppio.jpg
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Help me figure this out. The current V7 is posted at 395 pounds, but wet comes in at 435 in road test. V9 is posted at 200kg or 445 Dry?? So, wet would be 475?? So, would that negate the modest bump in HP? Seems performance would be about the same. Right? Or is the lower torque peak going to give it some seat of the pants boost?
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It definitely looks better with some color on it. Still not my cup o scotch, but I don't hate it. I see a lot more '70s brit bike influence than HD. Anyone else notice a lot more small bikes running around these days?. I see lots of little ninja and cbr 250s buzzing around. Maybe there's a niche and the V9 will sell like hotcakes! I hope so. http://static.panorama-auto.it/var/ezflow_site/storage/images/media-library/o/moto-guzzi-v9-roamer-tre-quarti-posteriore-2-eicma-2015/14762584-1/Moto-Guzzi-V9-Roamer-tre-quarti-posteriore-2-EICMA-2015_horizontal_lancio_sezione_grande_doppio.jpg
Had the same thought .
Dusty
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Help me figure this out. The current V7 is posted at 395 pounds, but wet comes in at 435 in road test. V9 is posted at 200kg or 445 Dry?? So, wet would be 475?? So, would that negate the modest bump in HP? Seems performance would be about the same. Right? Or is the lower torque peak going to give it some seat of the pants boost?
I'm reading kerb weight as wet weight. I could be wrong, but it's looking like the EU manufacturers have embraced reporting (maybe been required to do so) the wet weight.
Considering the similar dimensions and the smaller tank I expect nearly identical wet weights, maybe the slightly smaller fuel capacity offsetting the steel fenders.
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I would hope it does not weigh much more, if at all. That is the appeal of a V7 to me and the feel of the engine. I had a Bonneville and it was bulletproof, but it was heavy.
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I'm reading kerb weight as wet weight. I could be wrong, but it's looking like the EU manufacturers have embraced reporting (maybe been required to do so) the wet weight.
Yep. Kerb Weight is a bike at the curb, ready to ride.
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It definitely looks better with some color on it. Still not my cup o scotch, but I don't hate it. I see a lot more '70s brit bike influence than HD. Anyone else notice a lot more small bikes running around these days?. I see lots of little ninja and cbr 250s buzzing around. Maybe there's a niche and the V9 will sell like hotcakes! I hope so. http://static.panorama-auto.it/var/ezflow_site/storage/images/media-library/o/moto-guzzi-v9-roamer-tre-quarti-posteriore-2-eicma-2015/14762584-1/Moto-Guzzi-V9-Roamer-tre-quarti-posteriore-2-EICMA-2015_horizontal_lancio_sezione_grande_doppio.jpg
Buyers of the Ninja 250 and the offerings from the other big names in the up to 400cc models aren't going to be interested in the Roamer just like they aren't interested in the V7 series. They are completely different model types.
I'm seeing fewer and fewer cruiser types. It does seem like the gals like the cruiser types a bit more but up and comer guys don't really want to be seen on a middle weight cruiser anything unless it is a sleeper with a motor that allows them to blast away from a sport bike.
It is probably hard for any of us to believe that there are only a few thousand other people who want a Moto Guzzi but it is a fact, sakes figures say so. It might be nice to think a Roamer or other MG model will set the market on its ear but that is very unlikely to happen.
Overall, Ducati sells more than 5 times as many bikes a year as MG and they are hardly a sales leader.
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Buyers of the Ninja 250 and the offerings from the other big names in the up to 400cc models aren't going to be interested in the Roamer just like they aren't interested in the V7 series. They are completely different model types.
I'm seeing fewer and fewer cruiser types. It does seem like the gals like the cruiser types a bit more but up and comer guys don't really want to be seen on a middle weight cruiser anything unless it is a sleeper with a motor that allows them to blast away from a sport bike.
Where do you come up with this stuff?
Don't we have at least one board member who just went from a ninja 250 to a V7 Stone? Where's the stretch to the Roamer?
Similarly I've seen people go from a Monster to a Scrambler.
You're seeing fewer and fewer cruiser guys? Really? While the whole market is shrinking the growth area for Harley is in youth who are buying Sportsters (and Harley is still enjoying the popularity of baggers).
Seriously, Guzzi seems in touch with the MARKET, and you seem in touch with your preferences (which isn't wrong unless you're trying to predict the market).
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Blue , no red , no wait blue :huh:
Dusty
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A version of this tee would be appropiate for some of us during the show.
(http://i1299.photobucket.com/albums/ag77/Penderic/Penderic047/grumpy_zpsqsqtcwhr.jpg)
Not me of course! cough cough. :grin: I'm Sleepy. Good Nite!
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The Roamer is growing on me, especially with all the extra bits installed (including a passenger seat of some sort):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3QGAyFzuQgQ&feature=youtu.be (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3QGAyFzuQgQ&feature=youtu.be)
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Overall, Ducati sells more than 5 times as many bikes a year as MG and they are hardly a sales leader.
That's true, but Ducati takes 10 years to go from 4000 to 40000 bikes produced in a year, in the period were the motorcycle market was reaching his peak (the '90s)and thanks to the success of the Monster.
Guzzi's production is growing much slower, but is growing, and in a period were the motorcycle market is at his bottom.
However, for me too is time for MG to offer something smaller than the V7. Possibly a lightweight single cylinder. Piaggio has plenty of know-how for that.
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Another concern about the V9:
Despite the presence of passenger foot pegs, the V9 does not look like it is intended for two-up riding. Not only does it lack a proper seat for all but the skinniest of Italian super-model passengers, but the position of the passenger foot pegs is wrong.
Even with the small pillion pillow seen in a few YouTube videos (which pillow does NOT appear in the new accessories catalogue), the passenger foot pegs are quite high, like on a sport bike. (The rider foot pegs are nice and low.) Isn't that a bit odd for a "cruiser"?
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Another concern about the V9:
Despite the presence of passenger foot pegs, the V9 does not look like it is intended for two-up riding. Not only does it lack a proper seat for all but the skinniest of Italian super-model passengers, but the position of the passenger foot pegs is wrong.
Even with the small pillion pillow seen in a few YouTube videos (which pillow does NOT appear in the new accessories catalogue), the passenger foot pegs are quite high, like on a sport bike. (The rider foot pegs are nice and low.) Isn't that a bit odd for a "cruiser"?
From what I've seen, there are pillion pads that will be available, if your SO can't manage the 1.5 seat.
V9 Roamer with touring accessories and pillion pad:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3QGAyFzuQgQ
And, from what I've seen, the passenger pegs are similarly placed to what they are on the V7s. The Roamer's exhaust is lower, so it may be an optical illusion. But looking at the pix below, they're close.
On the bikes in this video, the passenger peg brackets seem updated, with lower and farther forward foot placement:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yVlQfGG_WDg
And, I don't know why everyone is calling this little standard a "cruiser".
(http://imgd1.aeplcdn.com/600x337/bw/ec/20798/Moto-Guzzi-V9-Roamer-EICMA-60490.jpg?wm=2)
(http://motoguzzi.net.nz/app/uploads/2015/06/V7-II-Special-blue.jpg)
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From what I've seen, there are pillion pads that will be available, if your SO can't manage the 1.5 seat.
And, from what I've seen, the passenger pegs are similarly placed to what they are on the V7s. The Roamer's exhaust is lower, so it may be an optical illusion. But looking at the pix below, they're close.
On the bikes in this video, the passenger peg brackets seem updated, with lower and farther forward foot placement:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yVlQfGG_WDg
And, I don't know why everyone is calling this little standard a "cruiser".
(http://imgd1.aeplcdn.com/600x337/bw/ec/20798/Moto-Guzzi-V9-Roamer-EICMA-60490.jpg?wm=2)
(http://motoguzzi.net.nz/app/uploads/2015/06/V7-II-Special-blue.jpg)
hmmmm....too me with the Special and Roamer pics together it looks even more like a cruiser to me as well.
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hmmmm....too me with the Special and Roamer pics together it looks even more like a cruiser to me as well.
What is a "cruiser"?
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What is a "cruiser"?
For sure........everyon e's eye....too me one looks "flat" while the other looks tipped back.
Quickie google def - The riding position usually places the feet forward and the hands up, with the spine erect or leaning back slightly
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I don't know why everyone is calling this little standard a "cruiser".
I agree that it looks more like a standard. However, from MG's website: "The V9 Roamer and the V9 Bobber are Moto Guzzi's easy cruisers..." (What the heck is an "easy cruiser"?)
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How difficult would it be to make the top tube horizontal (the one that runs just below the tank and the seat)? Raise the back end and/or drop the front end somehow? The upward slope is bothering me...
(http://www.motoguzzi.com/mediaObject/motoguzzi-restyling/notizie/2015/eicma2015/v9_roamer_eicma2015/original/v9_roamer_eicma2015.jpg)
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How difficult would it be to make the top tube horizontal (the one that runs just below the tank and the seat)? Raise the back end and/or drop the front end somehow? The upward slope is bothering me...
(http://www.motoguzzi.com/mediaObject/motoguzzi-restyling/notizie/2015/eicma2015/v9_roamer_eicma2015/original/v9_roamer_eicma2015.jpg)
:> Why it didn't look like a "standard" to my old-ish eyes. In fact......maybe it's a chopper?
(http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd173/ponti_33609/70Tri-T120R-right_zpsrgu8jomf.jpg)
The Triumph looks "flatter" to me.
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If a 1970 Triumph is a cruiser , then yes , the V9 is a cruiser .
Dusty
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I like the ad campaign on the MG website. I mean, sure, like all ad campaigns, it's fundamentally BS -- "buy this motorcycle and you'll become more authentic like the carefully coiffed models in these pictures." But in a world full of ad campaigns that just make you wretch, it's nice when you see one selling a message of returning to roots.
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If they dumped that teardrop tank that rake up front would look dazzling. As it is, it reminds me if a old schwin bicycle.
I don't get this back to roots things. Buy an older Guzzi. Like some old girlfriends, they look great in old pictures, then you remember why you don't have them anymore.
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How difficult would it be to make the top tube horizontal (the one that runs just below the tank and the seat)? Raise the back end and/or drop the front end somehow?
-Taller rear shocks. (probably a mandatory addition, anyway)
-Drop the forks in the Triple Clamps, or get shorter tubes from a V7.
-Get rid of the 16/19 wheels in favor of the V7's 17/18 set.
-Just love it as-is.
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If they dumped that teardrop tank that rake up front would look dazzling. As it is, it reminds me if a old schwin bicycle.
I don't get this back to roots things. Buy an older Guzzi. Like some old girlfriends, they look great in old pictures, then you remember why you don't have them anymore.
As usual, you don't "get it".
Some of us want the convenience and reliability of a new motorcycle, combined with classic good looks.
Sofia Vergara, not Gina Lollobrigida.
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I have to admit, that like the Cali 1400, it's growing on me. I find the yellow version to be not terrible. I'd like to ride it to see what the new motor is like.
Maybe not my cup of tea, but I hope they sell a ton of em so they can perhaps expand the line to another sport bike like the LeMans.
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(http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd173/ponti_33609/70Tri-T120R-right_zpsrgu8jomf.jpg)
(http://www.britcycle.com/bikes/customer/JoelJackS_72_Tri_Bonnie_T120V_002.jpg)
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If a 1970 Triumph is a cruiser , then yes , the V9 is a cruiser .
Dusty
But it's not so they're not.
Cruisers are longer, lower, probably have forwards controls or at least floorboards, they have more rake, less ground clearance, dinner turn as well, often don't have passenger seats or passenger pegs. They're a stylistic extreme just shy of the chopper which is basically just an extra less functional cruiser.
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As usual, you don't "get it".
Some of us want the convenience and reliability of a new motorcycle, combined with classic good looks.
Sofia Vergara, not Gina Lollobrigida.
More than the few need to " get it". Read the another bites the dust thread, sell to the least common denominator and eventually no one will get it.
Classic good looks is like the new Camaro and Challengers and new Mustangs. Updated, brand new and much better engines, updated everything but with a harkening to timeless design. Performance in all aspects greater and better than the old classic. Reliability to boot.
Is that what you see in the Roamer? Tributes to classics are fine, if they sell like crazy. Classic for classic sake doesn't mean much.
Let's see how many of those liking the Roamer get in the waiting list to buy one.
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Like some old girlfriends, they look great in old pictures, then you remember why you don't have them anymore.
The relevance of this metaphor totally escapes me.
And, actually, not that it's relevant to anything, but I would have done pretty well if I'd stuck with some of my old girlfriends.
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Actually I am already saving my pennies towards a Roamer , and I have no interest at all in new Camaros , Mustangs, or Challengers . In fact , I would bet money that a large majority of potential buyers of the new V9 line also have no interest in those cars . Different markets , hipster types of any generation tend towards weird and not mainstream products . Beatniks rode old beemers and other Euro brands like Guzzi and Triumph . The hippie generation drove VW buses and beetles , with the occasional station wagon in the mix , not Z28's or
Trans Ams .
Dusty
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Sat on both of these machines on Wednesday- ergonomics are a personal thing and I found the riding position of the Roamer to be too upright which would be tiring on long trips. The bars on the Bobber felt a little lower- not sure how it will handle on those fat tyres though.
The bikes look better in the flesh than in photographs, especially the fuel tanks which look good, especially from behind. Neither machines are my personal cup of tea but I am sure they will have their fans and hope they do well for Guzzi.
Got the feeling these bikes had only just been finished prior to EICMA and there were no brochures or prices available at the time.
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Different markets , hipster types of any generation tend towards weird and not mainstream products .
Dusty
That's exactly the point I would make. Is the teardrop tank is a little weird, a little offbeat, maybe a little too much of a nod to the past? Arguably, yes. But how many motorcycle companies are doing anything that's aesthetically interesting? If everyone liked Guzzi's, then they wouldn't be the motorcycles I covet. So, somewhat perversely, I want the company to do well, but not too well.
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....not sure how it will handle on those fat tyres though.....
Surprisingly the FAT tires actually are ok from a handling perspective - at least they are on my Sportster with it's limited lean angle. I doubt that they'll work for a knee dragger but again my experience with the fat 16 inchers has been pretty good.
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If everyone liked Guzzi's, then they wouldn't be the motorcycles I covet. So, somewhat perversely, I want the company to do well, but not too well.
One of the reasons that I like Guzzis, is that they're someone uncommon oddballs. I like that I don't see one just like mine going the other way. I like that they are different.
Seeing another Guzzi while I'm riding is an event!
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Roamer. Maybe they could play the B52s as background music and have some good lookers with beehive hairdoos dancing around.
I'd watch.
Or Metallica's "Where ever I may roam"
But from this thread, maybe it should be....
"Where ever I may wander"
Or the B52's
"Travel if you want to, Travel around the world"
Catchy :wink:
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Or Metallica's "Where ever I may roam"
But from this thread, maybe it should be....
"Where ever I may wander"
Or the B52's
"Travel if you want to, Travel around the world"
Catchy :wink:
Nevermind.... The jokes kind of lost when there actually is a line in the song that goes:
Where ever I may wander, wander, wander :laugh:
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The headlight on the Roamer is set higher than the 1970 Triumph Bonniville. It and the smaller seat makes the Guzzi appear to be a smaller bike .... to my bateye.
(http://i1299.photobucket.com/albums/ag77/Penderic/Penderic047/batcycle_zpsxxbbzjg5.jpg)
"Salt and corrosion. The infamous old enemies of the crime fighter"
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The Triumph looks "flatter" to me.
The Triumph is on the centerstand, the rear shocks are completely extended and the rear tyre is not touching the ground.
However the lowering of the rear end is what the designers wanted. Galluzzi himself confirmed it at EICMA to a guy of the "Anima Guzzista" forum.
As already said, if someone prefer the bike to be more horizontal (and I'm one), is not difficult to obtain. The new two-joints swingarm makes the operation even risk-free for the transmission.
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And slightly longer rear shocks will add a little more ground/cornering clearance PLUS should quicken/lighten steering a little, even on the Bobber.
Fwiw 130/150 series tires aren't that fat and a lot will come down to particular brand and profile.
I mean our Duc wears 120/160.
Now our sporty was 100/150 stock and I changed both brands (Dungflop to Metzeler, which alone changed things for the better) and sizes to 110/140 which made for better balance/braking up front and slightly quicker break over with the rear.
To be honest I always preferred a little more tire up front for traction.
I think a couple of tweaks to the Bobber setup would be fruitful.
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I also prefer the look of a horizontal top frame rail. It just looks "right" to me. Something I don't like is the trend for newer bikes that have a tall gap between the rear tire and fender. It is the only thing I didn't like about the Ducati Sport Classics. The V9 looks to have maybe a 16" rear wheel with a very tall sidewall tire. I much prefer the look of a taller rear wheel with a shorter sidewall tire.
It might be just me but I have never like cruiser style bikes, which to me is large front wheel/smaller rear, an upward slant to the frame rails, forward foot controls. I've never liked riding anything with a feet forward riding position. But then I have always leaned more towards sport than cruising.
Mark
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And slightly longer rear shocks will add a little more ground/cornering clearance PLUS should quicken/lighten steering a little, even on the Bobber.
Fwiw 130/150 series tires aren't that fat and a lot will come down to particular brand and profile.
I mean our Duc wears 120/160.
But, the tires on the Duc are a lot lower profile (120/70). What makes that 130 series on the front look so big is the tall sidewall.
A 130/90 tire (just guessing at the profile here) has a 30% taller sidewall than a 100/90.
I'm sure it handles fine, esp. for the mission this bike is intended for.
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Any ideas if the V9 alternator will have a higher electrical output than the V7?
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Any ideas if the V9 alternator will have a higher electrical output than the V7?
I would doubt it.
Did the V7II even get more electrical output with the addition of ABS?
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I feel like output actually went down with the wet alternator, but I'd have to check.
Still, does the V7 not produce enough?
I never have problems with heated gear when I run it. But I don't have a GPS, extra lights, etc.
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Caption contest: :grin:
(http://www.motorrad-bilder.at/slideshows/291/013238/moto-guzzi-v9-2016-27.jpg)
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I feel like output actually went down with the wet alternator, but I'd have to check.
Still, does the V7 not produce enough?
I never have problems with heated gear when I run it. But I don't have a GPS, extra lights, etc.
For your regular rider I absolutely think it's fine. For me, well I need more testing. It's not even remotely a "grave" concern with me and my 2015 (wet alternator?) but after addressing the tire issue (were over inflated - my fault) it's the closest thing to a concern I've had. But as stated, I need more and better testing to see.
On my Deal's Gap trip I started off with a fully charged battery. I used my GPS the whole trip and the heated gear (jacket liner and attached gloves) only in mornings during the 3 days there and then only at about 1/2 to 3/4 power on dial, followed usually by lots of riding while not running it. BUT. BUT I SAY. I was also stopping, taking pictures, restarting the bike sometimes 15 or more times in a day and sometimes only a mile or two or three between stops (so possibly no chance for the bike to get recharged between many of the stops until the end of the day that usually found me riding continuously for 30, 45 minutes to an hour). At night temps dropped while the bike was outside with no charger. On the way back to Louisville I ran the heated gear at 2/3 power and GPS as well for the majority of the 300 plus miles home and that was interstate driving at 75-85 the whole way. Because of the latter, I expected to get back to the house, put the bike on the charger, and it barely need much time there. Instead, it took a full 3 hours or more to get back to charged. This surprised me A LITTLE. But lots and lots and lots of factors here that would certainly not warrant any sort of serious concern. AND, just to test this a bit I ran the GPS and heated gear (at 2/3) for my 17 mile commute to work and back yesterday. Getting home I plugged the bike into the charger and the battery was more than fine, taking only about 20 minutes to get back to flashing green even.
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No telling what the V9 has, yet.
But, as I recall the V7's dry alternator was like 350 and the wet alternator went down to something like 280.
We've discussed it in the last year, but I didn't take the time to search up the thread.
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Caption Contest Entries:
"Man, when you slow down to 5MPH, it feels like you're walking."
"I'd rather push a Guzzi than ride a Harley."
"I thought this thing had a 1 gallon reserve - I guess it was a 1 gallon tank."
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I run heated gear so rarely it's not an issue.
But if I did, I'd likely look into an LED headlight to free up some Watts.
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Caption contest: :grin:
(http://www.motorrad-bilder.at/slideshows/291/013238/moto-guzzi-v9-2016-27.jpg)
Maybe Guzzi has gone too far copying Harley
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I run heated gear so rarely it's not an issue.
But if I did, is likely look into an LED headlight to free up some Watts.
Never thought of that. I will definitely check it out. Thanks! :thumb:
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Never thought of that. I will definitely check it out. Thanks! :thumb:
Check with Jay, I believe he's done it on a V7 (his racer).
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(http://www.motorrad-bilder.at/slideshows/291/013238/moto-guzzi-v9-2016-27.jpg)
Maybe Guzzi has gone too far copying Harley
Nah...
(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcT5PRWBxiJn_ESPy7g6-NdaBjh72_RahjWEuXgXAQXBDWo4e8NS2Q)
(http://www.totalmotorcycle.com/photos/2009models/2009-Harley-Davidson-Sportster883IronXL883Ne.jpg)
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Caption Contest Entries:
"I thought this thing had a 1 gallon reserve - I guess it was a 1 gallon tank."
:1:
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Caption contest: :grin:
(http://www.motorrad-bilder.at/slideshows/291/013238/moto-guzzi-v9-2016-27.jpg)
How far to the next Starbucks ?
Dusty
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I feel like output actually went down with the wet alternator, but I'd have to check.
Still, does the V7 not produce enough?
I never have problems with heated gear when I run it. But I don't have a GPS, extra lights, etc.
I don't know about my current 1TB V7's, but the V7C, the headlight would dim with the cycling of the heated gear.
I use LED headlights now, which have built in regulation, so, they won't dim, even if the voltage drops.
And, they only use 20/30 watts (low/high), thus free up a little power for charging and heated gear. I have LED tail lights as well, which saves about 7W (every little bit helps with charging).
Yes, it does the job, but, it is marginal. You wouldn't want to run extra lights too, at least w/o changing the headlight to an LED.
I'm using the ADVMonster "Mesh Monster" LED in both my V7's.
http://stores.advmonster.com/h4-mesh-monster-led-headlight/ (http://stores.advmonster.com/h4-mesh-monster-led-headlight/)
The ADVMonster H4 V2.0 (which preceded the "Mesh Monster") doesn't fit in the V7 headlight bucket.
I had previously used the Cyclops. It had very poor cutoff such that I didn't like using it at night or in rain or fog.
There are now newer versions of the Cyclops that look very similar in design to the ADVMonster, so, they are likely better.
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Caption contest: :grin:
(http://www.motorrad-bilder.at/slideshows/291/013238/moto-guzzi-v9-2016-27.jpg)
OMG, seriously? That doesn't bode well for the reliability.
Here is your caption:
"I'd rather push my Moto Guzzi than ride a Harley."
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Caption contest: :grin:
(http://www.motorrad-bilder.at/slideshows/291/013238/moto-guzzi-v9-2016-27.jpg)
"Dude, where/how are we gonna get these bikes setup before riding? I swear this dealer was open just last week. How far to the next one? Two hundred miles!???"
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Voice-over; "Great motorcycle, great responsibility, please cafe race responsibly."
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Caption contest: :grin:
(http://www.motorrad-bilder.at/slideshows/291/013238/moto-guzzi-v9-2016-27.jpg)
The nightmare slogan:
"Walk the Talk, Go Guzzi in '16 !
-Going out of Business Since 1921..."
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Caption contest: :grin:
(http://www.motorrad-bilder.at/slideshows/291/013238/moto-guzzi-v9-2016-27.jpg)
Ted told his brother that is was mile per gallon , not miles per liter . His brother always had trouble with that .
Dusty
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Caption contest: :grin:
"Are you sure the saying is 'it's more fun to push a slow bike fast?'"
"this is absolutely the last photoshoot I do for Moto Guzzi, cheap bastards!"
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(http://www.motorrad-bilder.at/slideshows/291/013238/moto-guzzi-v9-2016-27.jpg)
With a Moto Guzzi ......
You
Can.....
(http://i1299.photobucket.com/albums/ag77/Penderic/Penderic047/walk_and_chew_gum_hat_zps5uyn3uux.jpg)
and at the same time!
:azn:
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Maybe Guzzi has gone too far copying Harley
Do we have to wear all this ATGAT stuff when we're pushing them?
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Moto Guzzi V9 - So retro, we've retained the running start!
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Caption contest: :grin:
(http://www.motorrad-bilder.at/slideshows/291/013238/moto-guzzi-v9-2016-27.jpg)
Once they had brought the bikes, prepared the set, dressed us, you would expect someone remembered the keys.
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(http://i115.photobucket.com/albums/n284/bcgilligan/v9%20v7%20ergo%20comparo%20jpeg_zpsmsvlgtgl.jpg) (http://s115.photobucket.com/user/bcgilligan/media/v9%20v7%20ergo%20comparo%20jpeg_zpsmsvlgtgl.jpg.html)
Copied and pasted and attempted to adjust size of bikes to be equal. Might help when trying to visualize ergonomic differences.
Vertical lines left to right:
1. edge of rear tires
2. end of Roamer saddle
3. front of Roamer saddle
4. V7II brake pedal
5. Roamer brake pedal
6. Axle to axle
7. edge front tires
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But, the tires on the Duc are a lot lower profile (120/70). What makes that 130 series on the front look so big is the tall sidewall.
A 130/90 tire (just guessing at the profile here) has a 30% taller sidewall than a 100/90.
I'm sure it handles fine, esp. for the mission this bike is intended for.
And that's what I meant by brand and profile.
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Nah...
(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcT5PRWBxiJn_ESPy7g6-NdaBjh72_RahjWEuXgXAQXBDWo4e8NS2Q)
(http://www.totalmotorcycle.com/photos/2009models/2009-Harley-Davidson-Sportster883IronXL883Ne.jpg)
You missed the joke.. It was because they are pushing the bikes. :evil:
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I'll take one. Either one. Doesn't matter.
(http://i212.photobucket.com/albums/cc57/bpreynolds/image_zps5gdcrirl.jpeg) (http://s212.photobucket.com/user/bpreynolds/media/image_zps5gdcrirl.jpeg.html)
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The Guzzi will cost you less.
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Caption Contest:
"If only they'd used the V7 tank"
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(http://www.motorrad-bilder.at/slideshows/291/013238/moto-guzzi-v9-2016-27.jpg)
We have to be getting close to a station that sells something besides E15.
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Caption Contest:"If only they had started with the Bellagio."
That would have been nice!
Bob
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Caption contest:
(Pushing it)
"I wanted a boner, they gave me a Roamer"
Or:
Why is it that they never listen, I said Stoner nor Roamer.
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For your regular rider I absolutely think it's fine. For me, well I need more testing. It's not even remotely a "grave" concern with me and my 2015 (wet alternator?) but after addressing the tire issue (were over inflated - my fault) it's the closest thing to a concern I've had. But as stated, I need more and better testing to see.
On my Deal's Gap trip I started off with a fully charged battery. I used my GPS the whole trip and the heated gear (jacket liner and attached gloves) only in mornings during the 3 days there and then only at about 1/2 to 3/4 power on dial, followed usually by lots of riding while not running it. BUT. BUT I SAY. I was also stopping, taking pictures, restarting the bike sometimes 15 or more times in a day and sometimes only a mile or two or three between stops (so possibly no chance for the bike to get recharged between many of the stops until the end of the day that usually found me riding continuously for 30, 45 minutes to an hour). At night temps dropped while the bike was outside with no charger. On the way back to Louisville I ran the heated gear at 2/3 power and GPS as well for the majority of the 300 plus miles home and that was interstate driving at 75-85 the whole way. Because of the latter, I expected to get back to the house, put the bike on the charger, and it barely need much time there. Instead, it took a full 3 hours or more to get back to charged. This surprised me A LITTLE. But lots and lots and lots of factors here that would certainly not warrant any sort of serious concern. AND, just to test this a bit I ran the GPS and heated gear (at 2/3) for my 17 mile commute to work and back yesterday. Getting home I plugged the bike into the charger and the battery was more than fine, taking only about 20 minutes to get back to flashing green even.
280W is about what my old airhead alternator outputs, though that isn't at 3000rpm, but higher. OTOH, I'm running (cannot recall for sure) either a 24 or 26ah battery. No issues, but if I'm doing a lot of starts and stops, and riding in slow traffic, I always put the old gal on the charger when I get home. Sometimes the charger lite goes to green in a matter of minutes, other times quite longer. The large battery gives me a higher level of confidence when I'm running heated vest and grips. There are a couple of charging system upgrades for the old GS, but I've been ok with 280W (max) for 25 years, so I'll stick with a known entity.
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Old Bummer airheads always had problems keeping the battery fully charged ever since the rule that required headlights be on in the daytime. It took Bummer a while to upgrade for that.
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Old Bummer airheads always had problems keeping the battery fully charged ever since the rule that required headlights be on in the daytime. It took Bummer a while to upgrade for that.
Sas Jim - I think part of the issue went back to when BMW was racing the R90S, and due to crankshaft flex, the alternator rotor was actually rubbing the field windings. So, in their wisdom, BMW decided to increase the space between the rotor and the field windings (on all their bikes) with the result being that the alternators wouldn't charge very well at lower rpm. At least, that's the way I remember the story, from sometime in the last century!
Bob
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Sas Jim - I think part of the issue went back to when BMW was racing the R90S, and due to crankshaft flex, the alternator rotor was actually rubbing the field windings. So, in their wisdom, BMW decided to increase the space between the rotor and the field windings (on all their bikes) with the result being that the alternators wouldn't charge very well at lower rpm. At least, that's the way I remember the story, from sometime in the last century!
Bob
You are correct Bob , and most of the low/no charge issue with BMW's was riders coming from HD and Brit twins not running the boxers at high enough RPM's . Sound familiar ? :evil:
Dusty
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Any word on US MSRP for the v9 series? I'm thinking something like a Romer is in my future.
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I haven't followed the V9 happenings too closely, but felt this article called out many of the changes from the V7. Aside from styling differences, seem to be mostly electronic. Smart phone app sounds interesting..... sort of ....
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http://www.gizmag.com/2016-moto-guzzi-v9-roamer-bobber/40643/
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It has been a few days since anyone posted in this thread, so I will.
The new Triumph Street Twin specs and US prices have been released.
It is interesting to compare a few specs between the Street Twin and the V9:
Fuel tank: 3.2 gallons vs. 4 gallons
Horsepower: 54 @ 5,900 rpm vs. 55 @ 6,250
Torque: 59.0 lb-ft @ 3,230 rpm vs. 45.7 @ 3,000 rpm
Dry Weight: 436.5 lbs. vs. "around" 441 lbs.
It looks like horsepower and weight are quite close, but the Street Twin has 29% more torque at a slightly higher rpm...
Also, despite the small fuel tank, the Street Twin gets 63.3 combined miles per gallon (72.8 mpg at a constant speed of 56 mph, and 52.0 mpg at a constant speed of 75 mph).
Still, I think the V9 looks better!
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Also, despite the small fuel tank, the Street Twin gets 63.3 combined miles per gallon (72.8 mpg at a constant speed of 56 mph, and 52.0 mpg at a constant speed of 75 mph).
Imperial or US gallons? 63 UK MPG = 52.5 US MPG, or about the same as the V7 (and likely V9).
Still, I think the V9 looks better!
The Street Twin looks WAY better than the V9 (IMHO).
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Imperial or US gallons? 63 UK MPG = 52.5 US MPG, or about the same as the V7 (and likely V9).
The Street Twin looks WAY better than the V9 (IMHO).
Good point on that UK gallons. And besides, I've often found manufacturers claims of mpg numbers to be significantly different than real world results.
For me, while the new Thruxton is cycle sex personified, I cannot warm to the Street Twin's looks. In fact, I think the old ones look better. There's something about visually about the rear of the bike that is distracting to me and not in a good way. It's almost like it's too long or that tire/rear fender space is throwing me off. Not sure. Anyhow, I just don't like it.
And from what I've read thus far from early reviews, seems more of what you liked about the Bonnie before it - IF YOU LIKED THOSE THINGS: "easy to ride," "flat torque on tap," "unintimidating," etc. What I'm not reading in any of those reviews - or at least yet - is anything about a new character of the engine. In fact, if anything it seems more refined than before. For me personally, that's not a desirable thing per se though I can see where it is for many, maybe even the majority of riders. But me, I already thought the previous Bonnie engine was too...well...I'm just gonna say it...dull. Of course, there's other desirable things about the new version, but still, I guess they just lose me at the start.
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Jeff - FYI, we covered all this a couple of days ago here:
http://wildguzzi.com/forum/index.php?topic=80502.0
Dry Weight: 436.5 lbs. vs. "around" 441 lbs.
Just to be pedantic, we're under the impression the V9 weight is WET, so the Bonnie may actually way a hair more instead of a hair less.
But we'll see in due time.
The Street Twin looks WAY better than the V9 (IMHO).
Really, ya know, as much as I like the Bonnies and think that the T120 and Thruxton look better than the V9, I'm not sure I agree the Street does too.
I think it largely comes down to the wheels.
As much as I prefer cast wheels the ones that Triumph has used on both the previous Base Bonnie/Bonnie SE and the new Street look wonky to me.
I think they did it to lower it for shorter riders, but it looks too squat.
I'll give MG this, on both the Bobber and the Stone they've come up with some really nice cast wheels!
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I'll give MG this, on both the Bobber and the Stone they've come up with some really nice cast wheels!
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Sales will tell us which bikes people prefer.
I doubt many here would care too much about looks so long as it has a Guzzi engine. Everything else is stuff you grab off a shelf. The tanks and handlebars are purpose built, everything else are parts bin. The frame? Dictated by the engine.
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The target market for both the V9 and the Street Twin are folks who aren't going to put much weight on HP or torque, because each bike has plenty enough for their purposes. Aesthetics will probably be the #1 factor, and the cuiser-ish (is it ok to say that, KevM?) set up of the V9 vs more standard ergos of the Street Twin will probably be a big divider.
But also, the folks for whom these bikes are targeted are generally not DIY'ers, and they'll want professional service support. In terms of mass appeal, that's a handicap the V9 cannot overcome.
Me, I'd choose the V9 (or a V7) in a heartbeat. My feeling about the Bonnie has always been that I don't want to see my bike coming and going 50 times a day.
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To me the V9 is simply a guzzi motor in a 60s Triumph, or Yamaha XS650 frame...looks great
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Aesthetics will probably be the #1 factor, and the cuiser-ish (is it ok to say that, KevM?) set up of the V9 vs more standard ergos of the Street Twin will probably be a big divider.
Call it what you want, but I don't see the ergos of the Street and V9 as being particularly different.
I don't see the ergos of the V7 (Stone/Special) and V9 as being particularly different.
None of the 3 have rearsets or forwards. I'd be surprised if the pegs on the V9 are as forward as the mid-mounts on my Sporty.
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Piaggio couldn't manage to sell the Griso, an awesome ride and one of the most beautiful bikes ever made. So they hope to do better with another boring HD clone in a market already saturated by Japanese HD clones? Poor Guzzi. I hope they don't dumb down Aprilia too.
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I'll take one. Either one. Doesn't matter.
(http://i212.photobucket.com/albums/cc57/bpreynolds/image_zps5gdcrirl.jpeg) (http://s212.photobucket.com/user/bpreynolds/media/image_zps5gdcrirl.jpeg.html)
My fluttering heart tells me that is much better looking than the Street Twin.
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My fluttering heart tells me that is much better looking than the Street Twin.
:1:
Wait, wait, I've got it!
Future press announcement:
In a stunning move that is shocking the motorcycle world, Moto Guzzi has agreed to give away one free female Italian model with the sale of any new V9 Roamer. Warranty only extends to the bike and model is only free to start but you can get her serviced at any Ducati dealership nearby. :boozing:
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On my Deal's Gap trip I started off with a fully charged battery. I used my GPS the whole trip and the heated gear (jacket liner and attached gloves) only in mornings during the 3 days there and then only at about 1/2 to 3/4 power on dial, followed usually by lots of riding while not running it. BUT. .................. Instead, it took a full 3 hours or more to get back to charged. This surprised me A LITTLE. But lots and lots and lots of factors here that would certainly not warrant any sort of serious concern.
The dry alternator on my '13 puts out a few more watts than the wet one (Per Guzzi). Nevertheless, I was concerned about having enough juice to power my heated gear. After all, the fuel pump and ECU suck up quite a few of those watts so there might be little reserve. When I put a meter on the system I found that the bike was actually over charging. The OEM regulator was charging at more than 15 volts. I installed an aftermarket regulator which brought the system down to about 14 volts charging and installed a voltage monitor. Now I can see that, at idle, the system in discharging. I do not get to positive charge until just over 2K rpm, this without any accessories running. I cannot remember exactly what the discharge/charge point is with my heated gear but I'm guessing it's somewhere near 3.5K rpm. At any rate, the stock battery and charging system are probably OK for normal use unless you are riding at lower rpm and running extra loads. As the battery ages the margin will decrease. It's probably a good idea to put a meter on the system from time to time, slowly rev the engine, and watch the voltage change. It will be a real PITA to be on a trip, have a dead battery, and no way to start the bike.
Peter Y.
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only a button or two to go..please. If I win the lottery, I'll get both a V9 and Bonnie, fully accessorized and will dutifully report back to the forum. Now, dry weight vs wet. I've got a senior citizen shower I can use to prepare for the testing. :evil: :evil:
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Apparently, this accessory comes with the Bobber:
(http://i.imgur.com/W9gtxFR.jpg)
Despite the darker appearance of the Bobber, this accessory will not require as much eye makeup as the one for the Roamer.
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Piaggio couldn't manage to sell the Griso, an awesome ride and one of the most beautiful bikes ever made. So they hope to do better with another boring HD clone in a market already saturated by Japanese HD clones? Poor Guzzi. I hope they don't dumb down Aprilia too.
The Griso is not a good bike for new riders. The V7 is, and so will be the V9. Shaft drive is a godsend for folks who just want to turn the key and ride, and there's lots of those. There's lots of folks riding around on chain-driven bikes who don't know or can't be bothered to lub and adjust. HD's are heavy, and even the Bolt is quite a bit heavier, than the V9. If you want a relatively lightweight, shaft-driven motorcycle with some style, the V7 and V9 are in a class by themselves.
So there's a good argument for the V9 finding a niche and having significant market appeal.
Edit: I guess the HD 750, with belt drive and 489 lbs wet, arguably inhabits this niche.
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The dry alternator on my '13 puts out a few more watts than the wet one (Per Guzzi). Nevertheless, I was concerned about having enough juice to power my heated gear. After all, the fuel pump and ECU suck up quite a few of those watts so there might be little reserve. When I put a meter on the system I found that the bike was actually over charging. The OEM regulator was charging at more than 15 volts. I installed an aftermarket regulator which brought the system down to about 14 volts charging and installed a voltage monitor. Now I can see that, at idle, the system in discharging. I do not get to positive charge until just over 2K rpm, this without any accessories running. I cannot remember exactly what the discharge/charge point is with my heated gear but I'm guessing it's somewhere near 3.5K rpm. At any rate, the stock battery and charging system are probably OK for normal use unless you are riding at lower rpm and running extra loads. As the battery ages the margin will decrease. It's probably a good idea to put a meter on the system from time to time, slowly rev the engine, and watch the voltage change. It will be a real PITA to be on a trip, have a dead battery, and no way to start the bike.
Peter Y.
Good info and thanks for the post, Peter. After reading around and especially your post here, I'm convinced my issue on the trip had more to do with me constantly stopping, taking pics, and restarting with the bike only really getting any sort of return on that draw at the end of the day and maybe not even that much. By the end of the trip or at least by the day I returned I'm sure the battery was suffering as a result of 3 days of this. On top of the gloves and liner, I was also running a GPS most of that time and I'm sure that was just added insult, though I suspect the GPS was a relatively small draw. Or not? Regardless, I'm now convinced it was not the bike or the gear at issue, but rather me stopping and restarting so many times. Damn the Deal's Gap area for being so photogenic!
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Apparently, this accessory comes with the Bobber:
(http://i.imgur.com/W9gtxFR.jpg)
Despite the darker appearance of the Bobber, this accessory will not require as much eye makeup as the one for the Roamer.
So not only are we stuck with bikes built to look like anachronisms but they are going to be marketed with the same sort of half-witted sexist bullshit as was used back in the depths of time! Well done Piaggio! Way to go alienating 50% of the population and a good slab of your target market. Idiots!
Pete
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(http://i1299.photobucket.com/albums/ag77/Penderic/Penderic047/moto-guzzi-v9-roamer-latdx-bianco_zpsc2whbmej.jpg)
poor thing- it doesn't know what/who it wants to be. that one's forgettable.
Just for morbid curiosity, can anyone photoshop some ape-hangers onto a V7????
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poor thing- it doesn't know what/who it wants to be. that one's forgettable.
Just for morbid curiosity, can anyone photoshop some ape-hangers onto a V7????
If the front wheel were smaller, and it the front end were lowered so the top frame tubes were horizontal, and if the 1.5 seat were replaced with a proper 2.0 seat, the Roamer would be a very good looking motorcycle, even without the Italian supermodel accessory.
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So not only are we stuck with bikes built to look like anachronisms but they are going to be marketed with the same sort of half-witted sexist bullshit as was used back in the depths of time! Well done Piaggio! Way to go alienating 50% of the population and a good slab of your target market. Idiots!
Pete
It this a real promo from Guzzi? In the corner it says fastandfaster.net , I got the idea the pics with the chicks were done out of school?
Yes, I checked, the chic pics are not official Guzzi shots, they are done by the pud knockers at fastandfaster.net
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poor thing- it doesn't know what/who it wants to be. that one's forgettable.
Sportster 72. Sporster Iron 883. Star Bolt. etc, etc. That's the market.
Roamer beats the Hell out of its predecessor, the Nevada, and should fill the bill nicely for someone who wants a vintage-styled standard roadster.
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:1:
Wait, wait, I've got it!
Future press announcement:
In a stunning move that is shocking the motorcycle world, Moto Guzzi has agreed to give away one free female Italian model with the sale of any new V9 Roamer. Warranty only extends to the bike and model is only free to start but you can get her serviced at any Ducati dealership nearby. :boozing:
I tell you what. I'll service the models for FREE (now snap your suspenders). That's just the kind of generous guy I am.
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Sportster 72. Sporster Iron 883. Star Bolt. etc, etc. That's the market.
Roamer beats the Hell out of its predecessor, the Nevada, and should fill the bill nicely for someone who wants a vintage-styled standard roadster.
I see. Thanks for pointing me towards those models. I must admit that the Sportster 72 reminds me of a Whizzer. I like the 883, though.
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I see. Thanks for pointing me towards those models. I must admit that the Sportster 72 reminds me of a Whizzer. I like the 883, though.
:evil:
(http://www.motoplanete.com/harley-davidson/zoom-700px/harley-1200-Sportster-72-2014-700px.jpg)
(http://www.womenridersnow.com/docs/stories/4096/8.14_boltRSpec_grn_A16.jpg)
(http://static4.masmoto.net/novedades/files/2015/11/moto-guzzi-v9-roamer-2016-masmoto_01-660x330.jpg)
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Greetings . . . I'm new to the forum. I'm a returning rider after 30 years, and I'm looking for my next bike. This forum has been great in helping me decide. My last bike was a '81 Honda GL500, v-twin, shaft, water cooled, electronic ignition. That's one reason I'm drawn to the Guzzis. Wait for the V9, grab a Griso, or flirt with the NTX . . . Hmmm.
Since it's announcement in Nov, I've been looking for pricing info for the V9. This Dutch site posted pricing in Euros today. Who knows if the pricing structure is equivalent to USD, but here's what was posted.
V9 Roamer - 11,095 Euros / 12,117 USD
V9 Bobber - 11,495 Euros / 12,554 USD
For reference, here's the pricing for an existing model:
V7 II Stone ABS - 9,495 Euros / 10,370 USD
V7 II Racer ABS - 10,895 Euros / 11,899 USD
I'm not sure that the dollar equivalencies are meaningful. The best clue to the price of the V9 Roamer is that it is priced slightly higher than the V7 II Racer. We'll see.
http://www.anwbmotor.nl/nieuws/wat-vraagt-moto-guzzi-voor-de-v9-bobber-roamer
J-Stone
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Interesting!
In the US, the Stone retails for $8,990, while the Racer retails for $10,990. I'm guessing the Roamer will retail here for a little over $11,000.
Now, if you are interested in a new 2014 Norge, Moto Guzzi is practically giving them away...
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Who knows if the pricing structure is equivalent to USD, but here's what was posted.
I'm not sure that the dollar equivalencies are meaningful.
They're not. Simple currency conversions are never correct. Bikes are priced per market, and the USA market is cheaper than Europe. Meaning, USA $$$ prices and Euro prices are numerically very close, though the currencies are not.
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Just heard about this bike.....today. Have been reading these threads for hours.
Color me interested. As someone who sadly had to sell my V7 Stone due to the cramped ergos, that Bobber might be just the ticket for me to swing a leg over a Guzzi again, a "big boys" V7 if you will.
I think it looks tough, love the look of the fat tires, and can't wait for more info and to see one in person.
So there.
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:1:
Wait, wait, I've got it!
Future press announcement:
In a stunning move that is shocking the motorcycle world, Moto Guzzi has agreed to give away one free female Italian model with the sale of any new V9 Roamer. Warranty only extends to the bike and model is only free to start but you can get her serviced at any Ducati dealership nearby. :boozing:
I think the cost of running a free Italian model would work out WAAAAAAY more expensive than getting your Guzzi looked at! :grin:
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Just heard about this bike.....today. Have been reading these threads for hours.
Color me interested. As someone who sadly had to sell my V7 Stone due to the cramped ergos, that Bobber might be just the ticket for me to swing a leg over a Guzzi again, a "big boys" V7 if you will.
I think it looks tough, love the look of the fat tires, and can't wait for more info and to see one in person.
So there.
I, too, am very interested: medium-sized, light-weight bike. It might be a very good complement to my Norge. (I am more interested in the Roamer variant.)
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Well I'll be darned but the V9 is starting to grow on me. I guess if you stare at anything long enough it becomes acceptable. I'm not lining up to buy one, but I will stop bashing it.
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The guy at the cycle ergos website has added the V9 Bobber, with hopefully the V9 Roamer soon to follow.
On the Bobber, as you would expect, it has a very relaxed knee bend, a hip bend a couple of degrees more relaxed than the V7 II, and zero forward lean...a real "sit up and beg" riding position....at least for me (6' 4", 32" inseam)
Just FYI
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Personally I really like the V9R, the tanks a bit small and it's a little too pretty for my wintery British commute but I'd love one as a second bike 😍
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Personally I really like the V9R, the tanks a bit small and it's a little too pretty for my wintery British commute but I'd love one as a second bike 😍
I feel that way, too.
For slogging through rain, mud, and slush, and battling cagers while doing so, I have chosen the Norge partly because its acres of plastic are easy to clean. Lot's of shiny bits look lovely, but they are a pain to clean. (My last pretty bike before my Norge was a Triumph Thruxton with lots of chrome and spoked wire wheels--what a pain to clean!).
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First price posted that I have seen by a dealer for the RRRRoamer ...... (pounds) 7,899
FYI: http://www.teasdale-motorcycles.co.uk/new/moto-guzzi-v9-roamer-6261#prettyPhoto
Specification
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Engine Size CC 853
Engine Type Four stroke, V twin
Gears 6-speed,
Drive Type Shaft
Max Power Output 55
Max Torque 62
Fuel Tank Capacity LTR 15
Seat Height MM 775
Bike Weight KG 200kg
Front Suspension Type 40mm Standard Fork
Rear Suspension Type Fully Adjustable Shock
Front Tyre Size 100/90 x19
Rear Tyre Size 150/80 x16
DETAILS
V9 ROAMER PRICE: (pounds)7,899
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Swiss prices.
http://www.motoguzzischweiz.ch/fr/moto-guzzi-2016
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German Prices
Moto Guzzi V9 Roamer ABS for €9.990 at mobile.de: http://suchen.mobile.de/fahrzeuge/showDetails.html?id=220898362
Moto Guzzi V9 Bobber ABS for €10.390 at mobile.de: http://suchen.mobile.de/fahrzeuge/showDetails.html?id=220898334
There are quite a few dealers offering the V9 for March delivery. All at the same price. I've noticed in the last year that prices on new Guzzis here are more stable than they used to be. The Stelvio is much more expensive now than what I paid for mine in 2012. I don't know if Guzzi is "working with" the dealers on this, but it's good for the brand if they can maintain it.
John
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That white Roamer just makes me think of my 84 V65C, and that's a damn good look.
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To me it looks less like a cruiser than a late 1970s standard bike, the kind that could be made by its owner into pretty much anything desired. I am liking it. Cannot come near affording one, but like it.
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So - Euro/Franc(CH)/Pound all seem to currently be about $11,100.
I wonder where it fits in current U.S. available bikes if it were to come in at that price here.
I liked seeing that "48" take on the Swiss site.
850? My absolute favorite volume regardless of number of cylinders.
Now, just get that goofy cant outa the tank!
Todd.
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(https://rocker59.smugmug.com/Motorcycles/Miscellaneous-bike-photos/i-5XVTD3t/0/L/2014-harley-davidson-sportster-1200-custom-pictures-galore-photo-gallery_18-L.jpg)
(https://rocker59.smugmug.com/Motorcycles/Miscellaneous-bike-photos/i-gmRSbsg/0/L/V9%20-%20red-L.jpg)
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If Sportsters had the "Peanut" tank, I guess the Roamer's weirdness is a "Pistachio" tank.
Todd.
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If Sportsters had the "Peanut" tank, I guess the Roamer's weirdness is a "Pistachio" tank.
Todd.
That Sportster tank has become known as the Walnut, but it's more an almond I think.
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Gawd help me ...... I'm liking the looks of the Roamer more and more. 55hp, torque at low rpm, I'm thinking this might be my next new Guzzi (unless Mandello decides to come out with a big block version of the v7 or v9 ..... then, well, we'll see. The V9 cannot be that different from an older BMW airhead power-wise, and I've been flogging a 58hp GS around for these past 25 years, and power is more than adequate for one-up riding, fully loaded with camping gear, etc.
Even the 'Roamer' name is beginning to make more sense to me ...... 'cause I'm the type of guy who likes to roam around ...'
I told myself 'no more new Guzzis,' but this little machine is calling.
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More competition. Has this been mentioned? Re-badged Scout?
http://www.victorymotorcycles.com/en-us/1200cc/octane-steel-gray
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More competition. Has this been mentioned? Re-badged Scout?
http://www.victorymotorcycles.com/en-us/1200cc/octane-steel-gray
Nah, that's a 1200... If anything maybe the Scout 60.
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Nah, that's a 1200... If anything maybe the Scout 60.
104 ponies! Same price point.
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104 ponies! Same price point.
It's not about price point, you can usually find something faster and cheaper from JAPanInc.
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More competition. Has this been mentioned? Re-badged Scout?
http://www.victorymotorcycles.com/en-us/1200cc/octane-steel-gray
Last week at Daytona, I rode both the Victory Octane and the Indian Scout back to back. They are very, very similar. The Octane is supposed to have slightly more HP but they both felt similar to me.
I just cannot get into those forward foot controls featured on both.
The Indian was perhaps a little more into the chrome cruiser motif than the Octane.
Their running sensation reminded me of the H-D V-Rod motor.
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It's not about price point, you can usually find something faster and cheaper from JAPanInc.
Yes, and the Yammy Bolt is always in the mix.
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Yes, and the Yammy Bolt is always in the mix.
The Bolt is a much better comparison, closer in market segment (and ironically just hands down lost the MCN comparison with the 883 and Scout 60).
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Nothing to see here... Move along...
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It just occurred to me, looking at FOSSIL's thread, why the V9 tank looks so familiar. It took a particular pic in his thread for it to hit me and if it is already noted in one of the 14 pages of this thread - forgive me.
Damn thing looks very much like a Triumph Hurricane tank and some of the impressions (for me, anyhow) don't stop there.
(http://i1074.photobucket.com/albums/w409/tromstaedt/P1020346_zpskoqktcyf.jpg)
(http://media-cache-ec0.pinimg.com/736x/f4/22/86/f422864d98b1a73aa49f2732695a9de3.jpg)
(http://i1074.photobucket.com/albums/w409/tromstaedt/P1020348_zps8zvabaa1.jpg)
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Todd.