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Re: Get ready for an onslaught of used V7s...at reasonable $
« Reply #1 on: March 31, 2021, 11:23:56 AM »
https://worcester.craigslist.org/mcy/d/sturbridge-2015-moto-guzzi-v7-stone/7299542969.html

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Re: Get ready for an onslaught of used V7s...at reasonable $
« Reply #2 on: March 31, 2021, 11:37:27 AM »
Damage aside, that looks to be a good deal.

Being a 2015 Stone, would this have the single throttle body, and is that the preferred setup?

Iím a newbie to these late model V7ís, so not totally clear about the differences.
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Re: Get ready for an onslaught of used V7s...at reasonable $
« Reply #3 on: March 31, 2021, 12:00:23 PM »
Damage aside, that looks to be a good deal.

Being a 2015 Stone, would this have the single throttle body, and is that the preferred setup?

Iím a newbie to these late model V7ís, so not totally clear about the differences.

YUP - 2013+ in North America was the debut of the 1TB models (and actually the Stone name was never used on the 2TB - only the V7C, Racer, and maybe the Special).

through 2012 - 2TB heron head
2013 - 2014 Mk 1 - dry alternator
~ 2015 MK 1.5 - wet alternator (slightly lower output)
2016 Mk II - V7II - adds ABS/TC and 6-speed (some of these had bad cranks)
2017-2020 - V7III - Hemi Head, along with changes frame slightly along with some running gear (shocks, pedals etc).
2021 - Mk 4 850cc and more

*NOTE some years listed above might be one model year later than EU and other markets than North America.
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Re: Get ready for an onslaught of used V7s...at reasonable $
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Re: Get ready for an onslaught of used V7s...at reasonable $
« Reply #4 on: March 31, 2021, 12:13:55 PM »
Why are tip overs or drops always blamed on a friend or the previous owner?

LOL... same reason in the dirt bike world, if its not a 250 or bigger, it's my "girlfriend/wifes bike"...   we be vain....
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Re: Get ready for an onslaught of used V7s...at reasonable $
« Reply #5 on: March 31, 2021, 02:05:06 PM »
Thanks Kev, that is good detail.

Personally, I donít mind the 5 speed, and would prefer not to have the ABS/TC components.

 So, aside from not having the Hemi head, a 2015 should be a good machine?

YUP - 2013+ in North America was the debut of the 1TB models (and actually the Stone name was never used on the 2TB - only the V7C, Racer, and maybe the Special).

through 2012 - 2TB heron head
2013 - 2014 Mk 1 - dry alternator
~ 2015 MK 1.5 - wet alternator (slightly lower output)
2016 Mk II - V7II - adds ABS/TC and 6-speed (some of these had bad cranks)
2017-2020 - V7III - Hemi Head, along with changes frame slightly along with some running gear (shocks, pedals etc).
2021 - Mk 4 850cc and more

*NOTE some years listed above might be one model year later than EU and other markets than North America.
« Last Edit: March 31, 2021, 02:05:44 PM by sdcr »
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Re: Get ready for an onslaught of used V7s...at reasonable $
« Reply #6 on: March 31, 2021, 03:49:51 PM »
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Re: Get ready for an onslaught of used V7s...at reasonable $
« Reply #7 on: March 31, 2021, 04:26:05 PM »
Ad's gone. Hopefully sold to someone on this List. FYI, the hard, Hepco Becker top case that it had ain't cheap...all the better, as far as the deal goes/went!

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Re: Get ready for an onslaught of used V7s...at reasonable $
« Reply #8 on: March 31, 2021, 04:29:53 PM »
Thanks Kev, that is good detail.

Personally, I donít mind the 5 speed, and would prefer not to have the ABS/TC components.

 So, aside from not having the Hemi head, a 2015 should be a good machine?

Heron Head rules!  It's the last vehicle on the planet w a famed Heron head.  So search for that model!

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Re: Get ready for an onslaught of used V7s...at reasonable $
« Reply #9 on: March 31, 2021, 04:47:33 PM »
YUP - 2013+ in North America was the debut of the 1TB models (and actually the Stone name was never used on the 2TB - only the V7C, Racer, and maybe the Special).

through 2012 - 2TB heron head
2013 - 2014 Mk 1 - dry alternator
~ 2015 MK 1.5 - wet alternator (slightly lower output)
2016 Mk II - V7II - adds ABS/TC and 6-speed (some of these had bad cranks)
2017-2020 - V7III - Hemi Head, along with changes frame slightly along with some running gear (shocks, pedals etc).
2021 - Mk 4 850cc and more

*NOTE some years listed above might be one model year later than EU and other markets than North America.

And 2010 & 2011 was the Cafe Classic, basically a Classic with high mufflers & different paint scheme - first a Tenni green, then also a pearlescent white with impressive decals on the tank. Perhaps not sold in the US?
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Re: Get ready for an onslaught of used V7s...at reasonable $
« Reply #10 on: March 31, 2021, 04:52:17 PM »
Heron Head rules! It's the last vehicle on the planet w a famed Heron head.  So search for that model!

Just my random thoughts, supported by motor vehicle engineers of 50 yrs ago.

So that's why it's still in common production then, because it "rules". I think not, but like most technical advances it had it's day in the sun. Who knows it might come back one day, stranger things have happened.

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Re: Get ready for an onslaught of used V7s...at reasonable $
« Reply #11 on: March 31, 2021, 06:44:08 PM »
Hate to say it, as a long-standing Morini guy and V50/750 Breva owner, the Heron head's biggest advantage was...that in addition to being effective enough, it was cheap/easy to manufacture.

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Re: Get ready for an onslaught of used V7s...at reasonable $
« Reply #12 on: March 31, 2021, 09:08:49 PM »
One day the single throttle body, 5-speed, Heron head V7 will be a highly valuable collectible.   The 6 speed and non-Heron head V7 bikes will be cheap also-rans.   

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Re: Get ready for an onslaught of used V7s...at reasonable $
« Reply #14 on: April 01, 2021, 06:00:26 AM »
Thanks Kev, that is good detail.

Personally, I donít mind the 5 speed, and would prefer not to have the ABS/TC components.

 So, aside from not having the Hemi head, a 2015 should be a good machine?

They are all decent machines with relatively small differences in most cases. The hemi change and all the things that went with it was pretty big relatively speaking, but even that wasn't night and day.
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Re: Get ready for an onslaught of used V7s...at reasonable $
« Reply #15 on: April 01, 2021, 07:10:42 AM »
Thanks for the update. Looks like the red one went quick, as one might expect.

They are all decent machines with relatively small differences in most cases. The hemi change and all the things that went with it was pretty big relatively speaking, but even that wasn't night and day.
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Re: Get ready for an onslaught of used V7s...at reasonable $
« Reply #16 on: April 01, 2021, 07:44:24 AM »
They are all decent machines with relatively small differences in most cases. The hemi change and all the things that went with it was pretty big relatively speaking, but even that wasn't night and day.

So Kev, based on the title of this thread, would you get rid of a series 3 to get the 850?

I don't believe I would myself.

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Re: Get ready for an onslaught of used V7s...at reasonable $
« Reply #17 on: April 01, 2021, 08:04:31 AM »
So Kev, based on the title of this thread, would you get rid of a series 3 to get the 850?

I don't believe I would myself.

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Remember, I didn't get rid of a MK I to get a III. I'm fortunate enough to have a couple of bikes and I don't see any reason to get rid of my Mk I. And it is conceivable that I might pick up an 850 in the next year or two, AND keep the other two.

But if life wasn't like that (and there are times I couldn't have done that), then it would depend on what I wanted the bike for.

Like if I needed just ONE bike to do EVERYTING - long distance, highway, 2-up, as well as the backroad, local, curvy stuff that I think my V7 does so well, then YEAH, I might (I'm making an assumption here that the 850 will be a "better" highway bike than the predecessors which I personally find "adequate" for that use, but they don't shine).

Basically if I didn't have an RK as my primary touring mount, then I might.
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Re: Get ready for an onslaught of used V7s...at reasonable $
« Reply #18 on: April 01, 2021, 08:09:22 AM »
Though I'm more into the older Guzzi I think a V7 might find it's way to me eventually...

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Re: Get ready for an onslaught of used V7s...at reasonable $
« Reply #19 on: April 01, 2021, 08:51:20 AM »
there are some real strong selling points to the new 850 if the factory fixed the forks, shock, left the 850 V85 stator and tranny alone. It would get better mileage, be smoother, more power, slicker transmission for sure. Having had a 15 V7, 17 III, and the V85 I'll jump on one at the start of the second year.
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Re: Get ready for an onslaught of used V7s...at reasonable $
« Reply #20 on: April 01, 2021, 09:04:09 AM »
there are some real strong selling points to the new 850 if the factory fixed the forks, shock, left the 850 V85 stator and tranny alone. It would get better mileage, be smoother, more power, slicker transmission for sure. Having had a 15 V7, 17 III, and the V85 I'll jump on one at the start of the second year.

Enlighten me. What are the differences between the stator and transmission on the V85 vs. the V7III??? Thanks in advance. (Not something I have paid attention to.)

+1 on the suspension, although I have dealt with that on mine so that is no longer an issue to me.

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Re: Get ready for an onslaught of used V7s...at reasonable $
« Reply #21 on: April 01, 2021, 09:35:58 AM »
Heron Head rules!  It's the last vehicle on the planet w a famed Heron head.  So search for that model!

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Re: Get ready for an onslaught of used V7s...at reasonable $
« Reply #22 on: April 01, 2021, 10:03:09 AM »
I'm 100% happy with my heron head-not that anyone asked.  I've done the more power thing a LOT and one of the Guzzi's traits I really like is that I can ride it quite hard without having to top triple numbers to feel like I'm having fun.  On a twisty road the 2015 V7 I have is a blast.
Yea, you may get to the end before me, maybe, but I'll have a hell of a ride anyway.  On my Street Triple, for every mile it was heaven there were 100 miles where it was not.  Like John Henry, I too have had the suspension "fixed" by Hamlin.  I think if I got the 850 it would start to feel like a bit too much power if that makes sense.  Riding it a full tilt might be too fast for public roads-gasp, I'm getting sensible!

I felt the same way with my 5 Bonnevilles.  I set them up to handle great and never thought about more power like I had on the Street 3.
Sort of like my cousin's Corvette and my Mini Cooper Turbo.  The vette is blindingly fast and a hoot-for 30 minutes.  There's nowhere to use the power.  My Mini?  I can thrash it and still be "sane".  But I've digressed enough............. ...........
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Re: Get ready for an onslaught of used V7s...at reasonable $
« Reply #23 on: April 01, 2021, 10:14:59 AM »
I'm 100% happy with my heron head-not that anyone asked.  I've done the more power thing a LOT and one of the Guzzi's traits I really like is that I can ride it quite hard without having to top triple numbers to feel like I'm having fun.  On a twisty road the 2015 V7 I have is a blast.
Yea, you may get to the end before me, maybe, but I'll have a hell of a ride anyway.  On my Street Triple, for every mile it was heaven there were 100 miles where it was not.  Like John Henry, I too have had the suspension "fixed" by Hamlin.  I think if I got the 850 it would start to feel like a bit too much power if that makes sense.  Riding it a full tilt might be too fast for public roads-gasp, I'm getting sensible!

I felt the same way with my 5 Bonnevilles.  I set them up to handle great and never thought about more power like I had on the Street 3.
Sort of like my cousin's Corvette and my Mini Cooper Turbo.  The vette is blindingly fast and a hoot-for 30 minutes.  There's nowhere to use the power.  My Mini?  I can thrash it and still be "sane".  But I've digressed enough............. ...........


Just look at the bikes in my fleet or the many times I've extolled the virtues of the V7 and you'll know that we agree more than we don't.

If I depart from your thinking it's just that I feel even with the decent hp that the 850 seems to promise it's still a far FAR cry from the Triple or the difference between a Mini Cooper S (I loved ours) and a Vette.

I mean, from the numbers I sorta suspect it will be APPROACHING the power of our Ducati.... the baby Monster. And yeah, the even the baby Monster does tempt me to act more like a hoon than either of our V7s, but it's still pretty reasonable/moderate power.

But I am predicting (maybe hoping or assuming is more accurate) that the difference between the current V7s and the new 850 COULD just be enough to break the barrier that gives the new 850 a more relaxed feel on the highway. And I THINK (again hope) that if that's true it won't really lose anything on the backroads. You'll still be able to largely flog it there, like we do the 696....albeit perhaps with a modicum of restraint here or there.
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Re: Get ready for an onslaught of used V7s...at reasonable $
« Reply #24 on: April 01, 2021, 10:59:46 AM »
Enlighten me. What are the differences between the stator and transmission on the V85 vs. the V7III??? Thanks in advance. (Not something I have paid attention to.)

+1 on the suspension, although I have dealt with that on mine so that is no longer an issue to me.

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The V7III is a wet stator with barely enough output to run the bike. add on heated clothes and you in trouble. It's evidently part of the breather system so an oil mist is in there not lots of oil so some have failed early from burnt windings. The 6 speed on the 17 has an oil pump and only 500 CC of oil and neutral is a bitch to find on some but evidently not all.
The V85 seems to have plenty of stator output.
They went back to no oil pump, 750CC of oil as I recall and neutral is simple to find and shifting is as good as any Japanese bike I've had.
The V85 is still a hoot in the tight twisties but at least you can pass one car at 6000 feet on an uphill mountain run. I hope the new V7-85 is somewhat similar.
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Re: Get ready for an onslaught of used V7s...at reasonable $
« Reply #25 on: April 01, 2021, 12:43:24 PM »

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« Reply #26 on: April 01, 2021, 03:09:52 PM »
2015 V7 stone.
About 6000 miles, red and had some scuffs on the valve cover and left muffler.
IIRC, ask was $3000.

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Re: Get ready for an onslaught of used V7s...at reasonable $
« Reply #27 on: April 01, 2021, 04:47:42 PM »
I hear ya, kev.  I was keeping the comparos to what I've had recently.  The Street 3 was a screamer for sure.  20 years ago I'd have never come off it.
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