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Loud Pipes Study
« on: April 08, 2021, 11:10:00 AM »
Autoweek just published an article debunking the safety impact on loud pipes - they DON'T save lives: https://www.autoweek.com/news/industry-news/a35952569/loud-pipes-do-not-save-lives/

Enjoy the sound and performance but don't think you're any safer...
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Re: Loud Pipes Study
« Reply #1 on: April 08, 2021, 11:30:42 AM »
 True , although at a vintage show at the dealer in Tulsa a guy almost ran over me on his Zero , never heard him coming  :laugh:

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Re: Loud Pipes Study
« Reply #2 on: April 08, 2021, 11:56:56 AM »
True , although at a vintage show at the dealer in Tulsa a guy almost ran over me on his Zero , never heard him coming  :laugh:

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THIS^^ Will be interesting to see if e bikes are involved in more incidents. I still think I will have one someday.
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Re: Loud Pipes Study
« Reply #3 on: April 08, 2021, 12:14:22 PM »
THIS^^ Will be interesting to see if e bikes are involved in more incidents. I still think I will have one someday.

 Same here , guessing we will adapt .

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Re: Loud Pipes Study
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Re: Loud Pipes Study
« Reply #4 on: April 08, 2021, 12:51:57 PM »
The problem with blanket statements i.e Loud Pipes save Lives, is that there is no yes or no answer but a maybe. In some cases, such as commuting in a lane splitting state, if a distracted driver meanders even inside his lane, a loud bike might just wake him up in time, whereas if he has also has a super loud stereo and enjoying a live version of Freebird (no offense to the beloved Skynyrd band)  he may still veer into the path of the biker.
As per the study in Romania, it looks like many other studies where orchestrating the study accordingly proves ( the intended) point.
Ebikes might need  pedestrian alert sound tracks, not unlike Fisker and Tesla, so we get to keep Dusty...and other folks
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Re: Loud Pipes Study
« Reply #5 on: April 08, 2021, 12:57:57 PM »
Autoweek just published an article debunking the safety impact on loud pipes - they DON'T save lives: https://www.autoweek.com/news/industry-news/a35952569/loud-pipes-do-not-save-lives/

Enjoy the sound and performance but don't think you're any safer...

And in other breaking news water is wet :rolleyes:

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Re: Loud Pipes Study
« Reply #6 on: April 08, 2021, 01:45:43 PM »
Loud pipes were never meant to save lives...they were meant to annoy others, same as unnecessary throttle blipping at a stoplight...if it annoys others around you...mission accomplished.
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Re: Loud Pipes Study
« Reply #7 on: April 08, 2021, 02:09:29 PM »
Loud pipes were never meant to save lives...they were meant to annoy others, same as unnecessary throttle blipping at a stoplight...if it annoys others around you...mission accomplished.
Agree 100%. Funny how those with the loud pipes proclaim their "freedom" to do so, while ignoring everyone else's "freedom" to peace and quiet.

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Re: Loud Pipes Study
« Reply #8 on: April 08, 2021, 02:28:24 PM »
There is a legal measurement for how loud any exhaust on a registered vehicle can be, the “decibel range”. It’s only an issue when the sound exceeds that maximum legal range, which is plenty lenient in my state. In and around my area LEO pays little to no attention to the law.

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Re: Loud Pipes Study
« Reply #9 on: April 08, 2021, 02:41:01 PM »
not necessarily a proponent of loud pipes, but also not a proponent of this form of testing and reporting.
be careful of how you take this.

Test was only looking at a driver in a car with radio on and windows rolled up. (some people have windows down, some people don't listen to the radio)
Test did not take into account pedestrians in the streets or crossings. (not all accidents are bike / car )
Test did not consider deer crossings on back roads.  ( I can personally state that the sooner a deer or moose hears you the better change you have to not die )
Test did not review farm equipment operators entering roadways. (again, the sooner a farmer knows your coming, the better chance you have not to be combined )

This test was also taken in a location that could be considered "over-controlling" ( just sayin )

So to make a blanket statement, "loud pipes DONT saves lives" by this test metric, is not a very responsible solution statement.  it's a bit of "fake news"
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Re: Loud Pipes Study
« Reply #10 on: April 08, 2021, 03:23:18 PM »
I always put pipes on my bikes. I got Agostinis on my Bobber. I love the sound. I love to blip at lights. I blip in tunnels. I blip in traffic. I blip when downshifting.

I'm a compulsive blipper.

I don't do it for safety although I've seen drivers recognize the blip. I do it because I like it.

That said, that study doesn't "prove" anything.
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Re: Loud Pipes Study
« Reply #11 on: April 08, 2021, 03:34:13 PM »
Plenty of municipalities have noise or dance laws. It boils down to do police spend their time tracking down the exhaust bandits or spending time on more violent crimes.

As a tax payer I know where I’d prefer their time and my money be spent.

 

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« Reply #12 on: April 08, 2021, 04:13:35 PM »
Plenty of municipalities have noise or dance laws. It boils down to do police spend their time tracking down the exhaust bandits or spending time on more violent crimes.

As a tax payer I know where I’d prefer their time and my money be spent.

I would like to know what their "dance laws" are?   :tongue:
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Re: Loud Pipes Study
« Reply #13 on: April 08, 2021, 04:17:58 PM »
I got Agostinis on my Bobber. I love the sound.

Agostini's are tastefully done, running one without the baffle (or db killer) would be annoying.   I run an Agostini on my Norge as well, but stock (with the baffle/db killer in).  Other bikes are stock, they sound just fine stock with the La Franconis.   It's barely any louder than stock from what I can tell, but does sound much better...totally agree there.

These aren't the annoying pipes in question however...
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Re: Loud Pipes Study
« Reply #14 on: April 08, 2021, 05:56:17 PM »
not necessarily a proponent of loud pipes, but also not a proponent of this form of testing and reporting.
be careful of how you take this.

Test was only looking at a driver in a car with radio on and windows rolled up. (some people have windows down, some people don't listen to the radio)
Test did not take into account pedestrians in the streets or crossings. (not all accidents are bike / car )
Test did not consider deer crossings on back roads.  ( I can personally state that the sooner a deer or moose hears you the better change you have to not die )
Test did not review farm equipment operators entering roadways. (again, the sooner a farmer knows your coming, the better chance you have not to be combined )

This test was also taken in a location that could be considered "over-controlling" ( just sayin )




So to make a blanket statement, "loud pipes DONT saves lives" by this test metric, is not a very responsible solution statement.  it's a bit of "fake news"


I live on a very low traffic gravel road and I've had deer run full speed into the side of my Jeep. I suspect noise attracts them. Deer are just plain dumb. 

Diesel farm machinery is loud. Very loud. You won't hear a loud bike sitting on a cab-less tractor. Older tractors with cabs can be even louder than tractors without cabs. All that metal in the cab gets loose are vibrates making them even noisier than machines with open air cabs. The glass reflects sound. New tractors with cabs are heavily sound insulated. Again, outside noise is drowned out by  the engines, implements and radios.

When I enter the roadway, I have never once stopped and listened for a motorcycle..or a truck or a bus or a minivan. I look for them.

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Re: Loud Pipes Study
« Reply #15 on: April 08, 2021, 07:45:08 PM »
My V7III is the first bike I have ever changed the exhaust on.  I did it mostly for looks.  The stock exhaust cans are huge. 
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Re: Loud Pipes Study
« Reply #16 on: April 08, 2021, 08:08:22 PM »
IMHO, on the matter of loud pipes, I have concluded that loud pipes make noise, period.  If your car sounded like that, you'd get it Midasized.   And, I ain't an advocate of blipping either...don't want folks asking me why I ride such a poor running machine or if I have a nervous tic. :laugh:


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Re: Loud Pipes Study
« Reply #17 on: April 08, 2021, 08:26:42 PM »
I was waiting at a traffic light yesterday in my pickup when a very loud motorcycle approached beside me on my right side, I thought to myself what an annoying Harley, then I glanced to my right and it was a Ducati Monster, loud annoying pipes are not limited to Harleys.
I feel it’s just rude to be so loud and annoying.
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Re: Loud Pipes Study
« Reply #18 on: April 08, 2021, 10:24:42 PM »
There is a legal measurement for how loud any exhaust on a registered vehicle can be, the “decibel range”. It’s only an issue when the sound exceeds that maximum legal range, which is plenty lenient in my state. In and around my area LEO pays little to no attention to the law.

In my state (MD) some of the moto LEOs fiddle with their mufflers to make them louder.
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Re: Loud Pipes Study
« Reply #19 on: April 09, 2021, 01:24:19 AM »
Excessively noisy bikes and cars have caused the UK Gov to do this

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/new-noise-camera-trial-to-crack-down-on-illegal-vehicles

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« Reply #20 on: April 09, 2021, 07:40:40 AM »
Playing cards clicking on the spokes will help the electric bikes save lives?
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Re: Loud Pipes Study
« Reply #21 on: April 09, 2021, 07:51:40 AM »
I can testify that the deer around here hear me coming and they stop crossing the road when they do so. Vehicles though, they don't hear anything. Heck, they're blind half the time I think.
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« Reply #22 on: April 09, 2021, 07:53:51 AM »
Electric vehicles are deer magnets !

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Re: Loud Pipes Study
« Reply #23 on: April 09, 2021, 08:01:42 AM »
I'll keep my loud pipes, bubs and mistrals on the Beast and Stone.

My own studies have shown that many times I will hear the bike before I see it so that bike is now safer in regards to me changing lanes in my truck and killing him/her.


Also get a great kick out of those of you who don't like loud pipes which actually seems to be "well mine aren't stock and they are louder, but only the ones louder than mine are annoying.
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Re: Loud Pipes Study
« Reply #24 on: April 09, 2021, 11:28:48 AM »
It's pretty obvious the difference between what's obnoxious vs. a change of tune with an aftermarket pipe....just stand next to one for 5 seconds without ear plugs.

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Re: Loud Pipes Study
« Reply #25 on: April 09, 2021, 01:14:32 PM »
I live near a "Crashed Toys" shop,  Loud pipes didn't save most of the mangled bikes I see there.





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Re: Loud Pipes Study
« Reply #26 on: April 09, 2021, 07:32:06 PM »
True , although at a vintage show at the dealer in Tulsa a guy almost ran over me on his Zero , never heard him coming  :laugh:

 Dusty

Maybe they'll add a sound like this Amazon delivery van:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9LGtskt4YGA&t=31s

Or this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JHFXG3r_0B8

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Re: Loud Pipes Study
« Reply #27 on: April 09, 2021, 07:41:24 PM »
I live near a "Crashed Toys" shop,  Loud pipes didn't save most of the mangled bikes I see there.

Are we talking bikes or lives?

If it bikes, gas stations are probably the number one contributor to motorcycles being wrecked. If there was no gas to put in them they would not be on the road or being wrecked. So I say the problem is not loud pipes its gasoline!

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« Reply #28 on: April 09, 2021, 11:06:09 PM »
"Lies, damned lies, and statistics"
is a phrase describing the persuasive power of numbers,
 particularly the use of statistics to bolster weak arguments

Statisticians strike again! .... no statistician ever rode a loud bike 

I rest my case against this absurd study
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Re: Loud Pipes Study
« Reply #29 on: April 10, 2021, 06:10:47 AM »
I can testify that the deer around here hear me coming and they stop crossing the road when they do so.

+1 on this.

And I'm not talking about Sportsters with drag pipes......my EV with Lafranconis  or Superhawk with V&H were both loud enough to make the long legged forest rats move away from the road.

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