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Re: Donors for a a Cafe Build
« Reply #30 on: February 06, 2015, 06:35:57 PM »
I'm with Blackcat and Averno on this one
[url http://www.ebay.com/itm/Moto-Guzzi-1998-custom-moto-guzzi-cafe-motorcycle-/131422618299?forcerrptr=true&hash=item1e996602bb&item=131422618299&pt=US_motorcycles[/url]

Heck, it already has clip ons. That is a rear fender and a gas tank away from being something more sporty.
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Re: Donors for a a Cafe Build
« Reply #31 on: February 07, 2015, 01:08:32 PM »
Have lurked on this one for a bit but now here my 2cts. Starting with the preface that one can do anything with a motorcycle they own, wether others like or not. With that said , it would be a shame to butcher some, especially Loops.  To me, an important point  is that Moto Guzzi set the aesthetics bar pretty darn high when they built their sporting  bikes ( V7 sport 750S/ 3, LM1, 2, 3 etc) so no matter what  hipster trends may be at this time, anyone considering a cafe  should reckon that. ( Galluzzi, Terblanche , Rossopuro et al certainly have done that when designing new bikes). With that said and done, the rest is subjective.  
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« Reply #32 on: February 07, 2015, 04:04:43 PM »
I'd consider the bike in Dallas if it was closer.  That bike certainly needs some love. I'm also looking at newer bikes with salvage titles.

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Re: Donors for a a Cafe Build
« Reply #33 on: February 07, 2015, 06:51:02 PM »

In my opinion the most overlooked and undervalued Moto Guzzi motorcycles out here are the spine-framed Sport 1100's (and therefore suitable donors).

I don't see that your guy is "up to" this build caliber yet, but here's a recent custom project on that platform for inspiration. Everything that Mike Rich has to offer, plus Charlie Cole gearing and a proprietary carbon fiber fuel tank!

This is 372 lb. Guzzi that sounds more like a Ducati with its advanced cam. For the inside story PM me.



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Re: Donors for a a Cafe Build
« Reply #33 on: February 07, 2015, 06:51:02 PM »

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Re: Donors for a a Cafe Build
« Reply #34 on: February 07, 2015, 07:19:45 PM »
A buddy of mine built this from an old G5.
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Re: Donors for a a Cafe Build
« Reply #35 on: February 08, 2015, 05:39:32 AM »
Well, I take back my statement that I didn't think any injected Guzzis were suitable..  ;D That top triple looks pretty wimpy, though. I still wouldn't cut up a V11S. <shrug>
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Re: Donors for a a Cafe Build
« Reply #36 on: February 08, 2015, 06:55:58 AM »
Well, I take back my statement that I didn't think any injected Guzzis were suitable..  ;D That top triple looks pretty wimpy, though. I still wouldn't cut up a V11S. <shrug>


Chuck, the donor for this bike was a 1996 Sport 1100 carb.
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Re: Donors for a a Cafe Build
« Reply #37 on: February 08, 2015, 08:05:20 AM »
This is where personal taste comes in.  I don't like the spine frame job, but I like the black one.  Two things to me.  I have neverliked the "a$$ in the air" look and the black one doen't have clip ons which I think makes it look better.
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Re: Donors for a a Cafe Build
« Reply #38 on: February 08, 2015, 08:09:30 AM »
So, did you do it? Is that top triple just lightened and painted black in the cutouts or cut completely out?? For some reason I thought it was a VllS that had been converted to carbs. Looks like it would be a hoot to ride..
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Re: Donors for a a Cafe Build
« Reply #39 on: February 08, 2015, 11:10:01 AM »
So, did you do it? Is that top triple just lightened and painted black in the cutouts or cut completely out?? For some reason I thought it was a VllS that had been converted to carbs. Looks like it would be a hoot to ride..

No, that's not mine. Was recently built in Miami. The top triple was made by Speedy Moto and the bottom clamp is a Ducati piece. Many lightweight components to get down to 372 pounds.

Builder's site: http://www.moto-studio.com/index.html
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Re: Donors for a a Cafe Build
« Reply #40 on: February 08, 2015, 11:42:26 AM »
No, that's not mine. Was recently built in Miami. The top triple was made by Speedy Moto and the bottom clamp is a Ducati piece. Many lightweight components to get down to 372 pounds.

Builder's site: http://www.moto-studio.com/index.html
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Re: Donors for a a Cafe Build
« Reply #41 on: February 08, 2015, 12:03:13 PM »
That's some high quality work.  I really like the black G5.  Tasty mods with a realistic posture for plenty of riding.

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Re: Donors for a a Cafe Build
« Reply #42 on: February 08, 2015, 01:09:15 PM »
I'm with Blackcat and Averno on this one
[url http://www.ebay.com/itm/Moto-Guzzi-1998-custom-moto-guzzi-cafe-motorcycle-/131422618299?forcerrptr=true&hash=item1e996602bb&item=131422618299&pt=US_motorcycles[/url]

Heck, it already has clip ons. That is a rear fender and a gas tank away from being something more sporty.


I never trust a bike that has easily sorted out problems like this one. "timing needs to be set...... 30-60 minutes at most and carbs need to be jetted 2-3 hours with complete take down of carbs.   OK we are supposed to believe that is why it  runs crappy. And I say what are you trying to hide? Fix it and then sell it as is . Of course you probably cannot hear the motor because of those loud pipes and that is probably why it needs to be jetted. But then again it is a no reserve sale.... so maybe someone gets lucky for $1200 out the door. 
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Re: Donors for a a Cafe Build
« Reply #43 on: February 08, 2015, 07:17:36 PM »
Just  CL link for what appears to be a  Cali 3. No relation to seller, just passing it along. http://newyork.craigslist.org/brx/mcy/4882710972.html
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Re: Donors for a a Cafe Build
« Reply #44 on: February 12, 2015, 01:35:17 PM »
Do all models of Guzzis for a given year have the same frames? A few folks have recommended the California model which seem to be pretty plentiful but I would think a cruiserish bike wouldn't make a good donor if it has a cruiser frame.

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Re: Donors for a a Cafe Build
« Reply #45 on: February 12, 2015, 01:45:00 PM »
There are some differences, but basically, a Tonti frame is a Tonti frame.
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Re: Donors for a a Cafe Build
« Reply #46 on: February 12, 2015, 01:50:24 PM »


Is that a wallet under the side stand?
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Re: Donors for a a Cafe Build
« Reply #47 on: February 12, 2015, 03:02:16 PM »
Within the short wheelbase and long wheelbase cutoffs, different model tonti frames have minor differences.  The Convert has unique tabs for the cooler and atf tank.  The SP has its own tabs for the plastiwork.  I suspect the Lemans also has some exclusive stuff.  But AFAIK that's the level of difference. Other models could have other little variances.  But the basic wheelbase, tube layout, engine mounts, etc are identical, as long as you're talking about either short wheelbase or long wheelbase models.  Mix up your swb/lwb and the differences become huge.

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Re: Donors for a a Cafe Build
« Reply #48 on: February 12, 2015, 07:51:45 PM »
Isn't the only difference in wheelbase in the swingarm, ie, could you change a LWB to SWB by changing the swingarm?

Wasn't there some subtle difference in the steering head between models?

Does Guzziology list all the differences?
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Re: Donors for a a Cafe Build
« Reply #49 on: February 12, 2015, 08:10:04 PM »
No, the horizontal tail bars are also longer and I think the shock mount location is different.  There is also some extra mount brackets on my LWB frames that hang the transmission at those four top bolt holes and a bracket for the seat release. Forgot that earlier.  I suppose the tranny hanger would allow a guy to eliminate the lower rails, if he trusted the rear mounting to four shallow 8mm bolts. 

Yes, the steering head is taller.  So there's no drop-in for older trees.  That difference raises the handlebar relative to the seat.

The LWB models also have different lower frame rails than the earlier ones that include a lower cross brace.  But lower rails have all sorts of nuance differences, even among swb and lwb, so that's sort of a different topic.

Was any of that topical?

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Re: Donors for a a Cafe Build
« Reply #50 on: February 12, 2015, 08:53:54 PM »
I think all would be important for a choice of cafe frame.
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Re: Donors for a a Cafe Build
« Reply #51 on: February 13, 2015, 11:16:55 AM »
In my opinion the most overlooked and undervalued Moto Guzzi motorcycles out here are the spine-framed Sport 1100's (and therefore suitable donors).

I don't see that your guy is "up to" this build caliber yet, but here's a recent custom project on that platform for inspiration. Everything that Mike Rich has to offer, plus Charlie Cole gearing and a proprietary carbon fiber fuel tank!

This is 372 lb. Guzzi that sounds more like a Ducati with its advanced cam. For the inside story PM me.





oh boy.  

bet my Greenie would sing with that motor.
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Re: Re: Donors for a a Cafe Build
« Reply #52 on: February 13, 2015, 01:17:01 PM »
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Was any of that topical?

That was very informative. Thanks.

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Re: Donors for a a Cafe Build
« Reply #53 on: February 13, 2015, 01:36:03 PM »
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I always thought the CX was the easiest bike to "cafe" as it really doesn't change that much except for some rear sets and a rearrangement of the clock holders. No cutting, welding,etc. and it could be put back to stock if they ever became collectible which I highly doubt, but who knows.

I've seen CX500s advertised at 6.5k so I guess they are now collectable......

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Re: Donors for a a Cafe Build
« Reply #54 on: February 13, 2015, 03:53:48 PM »


Is that a wallet under the side stand?

Probably, I think he pretty much emptied it building the bike  ;-T
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Re: Donors for a a Cafe Build
« Reply #55 on: February 13, 2015, 06:30:25 PM »

Here's a current Tonti framed project from the same Miami shop (Moto-Studio). It's another light-weight bike using their carbon fiber fuel tank, etc.

'96 Sport 1100 - carb.

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Re: Donors for a a Cafe Build
« Reply #56 on: February 14, 2015, 06:57:40 AM »
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Re: Donors for a a Cafe Build
« Reply #57 on: February 14, 2015, 10:06:53 AM »
Probably, I think he pretty much emptied it building the bike  ;-T

It appears to have been worth it.
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Re: Donors for a a Cafe Build
« Reply #58 on: February 14, 2015, 04:06:32 PM »
It appears to have been worth it.

There is more meticulous detail and custom parts in the bike that you can ever see here.
Every piece has been polished, modified, or hand built, and the mechanicals thoroughly gone thru.

This is one of the proverbial "pictures don't do it justice" situations.
It has also been taken on several 1000 mile journeys, and is definitely a runner.
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