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"Not for use on any street vehicle" , wink wink Dusty
They coulda cop'd a better deal had they better lawyers and lobbyists.
The difference with VW is that there was conspiracy, collusion or both, of the criminal type. When you load up a new map, that is likely in violation of federal law, same with the cat y pipe replacement s. However, you aren't doing it to make money by bypassing emissions regulations nor decieve the consumer. There is no real comparison here.This is just starting, it isn't a matter of fixing the emissions controls. There are tax incentives, the mpg and emissions averages of their entire model lines, fraud and the list goes on and on. Years ago this might have been a fix, pay fine and forget it. Not these days. Now we're talking many billions of dollars, just in the US market.Lots of VW owners are cult buyers too, like those buying Subaru's and so on. What the dedicated VW diesel owners say won't matter much and probably won't matter at all, this is way past what the guy down the street thinks or wants. Blood in the water.
Since when aren't MCs tested for emissions ? Dusty
I mean after we buy them. It's illegal for me to modify my engine so that it no longer meets the original emissions standards, whether it's a car or motorcycle.But all of us do it anyway. And unless you live in a county or city that requires an emissions test at inspection sticker time, no one is going to know ...Lannis
Yeah , but so far no deaths have been linked to the VW debacle . Dusty
It's called 'plausible deniability"! Now, who came up with that term?
Not quite all of us. I see no reason to deliberately disable emission controls on either my cars or motorcycles.
I believe that term was invented, or at least popularized, during the Reagan administration, referring to attempts to cover up whether the Chief knew about the Iran/contra deal (of course he did).
I keep the feeling they all do it more or less. BTW: BMW makes very fine diesels. The 3.0 litr is powerfull and quiet.
Not directly linked, but in the aggregate, pollution kills.
Actually, it was first used all the way back in Truman's time (shortly after their creation as an organization, I expect). It became known outside classified documents during the Kennedy administration.I have a sneaky suspicion it was first conceived to handle a situation when a Cro-Magnon stole his buddy's haunch of meat!
Awwwwwww damnit , Lannis is right My guess is that VW will deal with this now that they have been outed , doubt if it will take them down . Talked to a friend this morning that has been driving VW diesels since '89 , now has a 2014 model . He just shrugged and indicated he would have the recall done and doubted the slight performance loss would be noticeable . Dusty
Jay , I'm not savvy enough to understand all of this . Why do you state that fuel economy will suffer ? Help out a layman here. Dusty
If the cars performance is reduced as a result of the software fix, I expect they'll be a major class action suit. If you bought a car based on a level of performance that was only possible due to illegal software, I would think that would make a good case and VW deserves whatever they get.
On the other hand, we have VW, who knowingly created software to get around emissions requirements. They knew what they were doing was illegal and unethical and they did it and kept on doing it year after year.
No, we don't ALL do it anyway. Don't paint me with your brush!
This should, though, have a bit of impact on people's view of "unfettered capitialism". You just named a bunch of tight, expensive fetters on VW's profit motive!!Sort of like we don't hear much about obscene oil profiteers when gasoline is $1.89 a gallon ... !Lannis