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Here Here! The sound of a Guzzi at full throttle with modest exhaust relief certainly stirs my motorcycling soul.
Hard to compare Buells to Sportsters, though. The Buells are much lighter and have a lot more power.
There are Harleys out there making serious power...The main issue with Harley performance is the reluctance of many riders to install a real tuned exhaust system rather than the power restricting shorty duals ....
http://www.avinton.fr/galeries-en/#topSS engine, tank under seat, relatively light, more torque than hp.... and it has 120hp!!!!
Uh , those ain't a Harley Dusty
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Duh, but the S&S motor is based on the EVO loosely speaking, so they're genetically related.Kinda like another view of what Buell could have done if allowed to.
I like both. Anyone who hasn't ridden a recent HD could be surprised. I rented a 2014 Street Glide 103 recently for a long weekend. Bone stock, pipes and all. 100mph with ease and power to leave normal traffic way back in the vibration free mirrors. It was far more comfy than my Cal III Touring and LeMans IV. Gorgeous engine and it handled unknown twistys far better than expected. Downside? Suspension and price. The question I asked myself repeatedly was why bother with loud pipes, screaming eagle, etc? The powertrain is a gem.Now, as posted earlier in this thread, a well displayed Guzzi 2 valve BB is a gorgeous thing that delivers on it's looks. There's just no reason to have to choose. Fwiw, I rarely ride my LeMans anymore but I'll be renting a Road Glide next. I like the little ego stroke of riding something different, the Guzzi, and as far as people go, I met very nice, educated HD riders on my rental weekend.Tobit
OK , but since it is you that likes to parse out every detail , these aren't a Harley Loosely speaking or not Dusty
I've had 4 H-D'S and they were all ok. They in no way remind me of my Guzzi motors-V7 and Norge. Not one bit. The MG motor also doesn't feel nearly as much like the 88 Twin Cam my friend rides. The HD motor feels much more like my Triumph Thunderbird 1600 than either of my bikes or any Guzzi I've had the pleasure to pilot.
That's like saying the early Garlic Injuns weren't Harleys.They ran an aftermarket Softail frame and S&S motor, so similar to the Harley Softails my buddy often sources parts (like a primary assembly) from Harley.Yeah it's semantics and obviously neither was produced by Harley (like an early Buell), but the DNA is obvious. The motor is more Harley than anything else. It's certainly not JAPanINC., nor is it Polaris, or Triumph, or BMW, or Ducati, or Guzzi etc.So loosely speaking it's more Harley than not, even if it's not a "HARLEY".
I'm still not convinced about Harley rear cylinder not running hot. Not saying Kev M is wrong, just that I'm not convinced and would like more evidence. I dunno much about Harleys. Just doesn't seem right to me. For example, I would think air cooling proportional to velocity of the air. So how can an exhaust collar that is directly in fresh cooling air on the front cylinder not be cooler than one on the rear cylinder that is not directly in the airstream, and is only cooled indirectly by air that has passed over TWO cylinders in front of it?For example, how definitive is a infrared scope reading on the heads taken at rest, as opposed to at speed? Anyone have more accurate cylinder head temp readings at speed? What about that rear facing exhaust--is that area not significantly hotter than the front?Any data from Harley mechanics? For example, does the exhaust valve on the front cylinder last longer than the one on the rear?And even if the two cylinders are comparable in temperature, how do we know it's because the air cooling was equally effective? Does the rear cylinder run richer than the front? Is the ignition advance on the rear different from the front?I'm not arguing, and don't claim to know the correct answer. Just curious.