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Offline Chuck in Indiana

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torque wrench review
« on: April 13, 2016, 08:11:07 AM »
As many of you know, I'm a tool whore enthusiast.  :smiley:
Last fall, my favorite torque wrench

went udders skyward. Being Matco, of course it is guaranteed for life. Whose life?  :smiley: I took it to Matco Man, and he gave me the  :rolleyes:  and said, "I haven't seen one of these for 30 years, but I'll give it a try." I was hoping for the best. It would even torque left hand fasteners, a rare thing, plus having a swivel head. Matco Man got with me a month or so ago, and said, "Sorry. There aren't any parts available, and hasn't been for years."
My memory is failing, but I think that he *gave* me that wrench 30 or so years ago.. he's an old airplane builder friend, so I guess it doesn't owe me much.  :smiley:
I was fully prepared to spend the big bux on another lifetime tool, when I had an epiphany. At my age, it won't have to last all that long.. :smiley:
Started searching the web for something a little less pricey than Matco or Snap On, and found this:
http://www.amazon.com/TEKTON-24330-8-Inch-Torque-Wrench/dp/B00FMPKAD0/ref=sr_1_1?s=hi&ie=UTF8&qid=1460029159&sr=1-1&keywords=tekton+3+8+torque+wrench
Just received it yesterday, and I'm impressed. Finish and build quality is *much* better than I expected. Guaranteed for life, too (whose)  :smiley: .. and 4% accuracy.
I'll recommend it to your attention. *Much* better than the typical cheap clicker.
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Re: torque wrench review
« Reply #1 on: April 13, 2016, 08:18:56 AM »
Reading the reviews, some complained of it being inaccurate at lower settings but very good customer support. I would buy one..
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Re: torque wrench review
« Reply #2 on: April 13, 2016, 08:39:06 AM »
Same thing happened to me Chuck w/my Snap-on in 08. I got it in 88, at some point the lever to switch from right to left came out, so I saved it in the case for w/I do the lefties. At some point I lost it out of the case. I figured I would get it fixed & recalibrated in 08. The Snap-on guy gave me a newer one to use till mine came back but after 90 days I was asking where mine went. Called IL for the work order and found out there were no more parts for mine. Snap-on gave me the newer one at a reduced price of 75% of the cost. Better than full price anyway. Still 20yrs isn't a lifetime.
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Re: torque wrench review
« Reply #3 on: April 13, 2016, 08:55:20 AM »
Reading the reviews, some complained of it being inaccurate at lower settings but very good customer support. I would buy one..

You have to remember that some of the "reviewers" are totally clueless.  :smiley:
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Re: torque wrench review
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Re: torque wrench review
« Reply #4 on: April 13, 2016, 08:56:38 AM »
Cool. Timely too. I had a tool box of my better tools stolen in Chicago. It'd been amassed over many years as a young broke Dad with a penchant for used tired Japanese 4x4's (Troopers and Subaru GL's) so I had a pretty good kit.

Now I'm down to a very basic collection, and my only torque wrench is an old Made in the USofA Montgomery Ward Beam style. not sure what the date would have to be to be entirely steel, handle and all, and meet that criteria. It's old. Well made, but, beam style. Now with a Guzzi in the shed, time to add a few key bits to the box. This'll be one.



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Re: torque wrench review
« Reply #5 on: April 13, 2016, 09:16:36 AM »
That old beam style is still as accurate as the day it was made. I don't have the first problem with those, but sometimes, they are just plain inconvenient to use.
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Re: torque wrench review
« Reply #6 on: April 13, 2016, 09:26:11 AM »
Great review, I also need to add a clicker type to my toolbox and that will be likely the one. I also have a craftsman beam type like the one Kidsmoke posted that I've been using for the past few years. Before that, I used the best guess wrench..
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Re: torque wrench review
« Reply #7 on: April 13, 2016, 09:34:00 AM »
Just how are torque wrenches calibrated? Prolly a mega-buck electronic gadget for use where absolute precision is demanded. Sure would be nice to have something simple that would ,say, clamp in a bench vice for use in a home shop. Would only need to check a couple values in the range of the wrench, just to be sure all is well after an "incident" like the wrench jumping off the bench & hitting the concrete floor. Yea. **it happens.
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Re: torque wrench review
« Reply #8 on: April 13, 2016, 10:03:36 AM »
When I was at Southern Aviation in Shreveport we had a master tourqe wrench calibrater that was sent to be calibrated every year so we didn't have to send our individual wrenches off to be calibrated , just checked them on that. Grandpa's old beam type OTC was spot on, like Chuck said. He's right about some of the reviewers too. At Royal Airlines we had a tourqe wrench for the prop nuts on G1 props, I think it was 1300 ftl lbs. after each use it was reset by clamping the end in a vice and turning it backwards. We always had the new guys with a vice on their toolbox do it on that. When it clicked it would clear off the tool box of every thing. Absolutely hilarious
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Re: torque wrench review
« Reply #9 on: April 13, 2016, 10:14:02 AM »
I also have a torque wrench that can no longer be calibrated, Snap-on of course.  I looked at these new fangled electronic torque transducer thingies.  One review I read said that the ones from Harbor Freight are very accurate over the entire range, also the ones provided by Delco.  I have not purchased one yet, has anyone else availed themselves of this new techonology or have any comments that are pertinent?

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Re: torque wrench review
« Reply #10 on: April 13, 2016, 10:20:13 AM »
That old beam style is still as accurate as the day it was made. I don't have the first problem with those, but sometimes, they are just plain inconvenient to use.

Thanks for that. I was told years ago that the beam type was accurate but it's good to hear it from you.

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Re: torque wrench review
« Reply #11 on: April 13, 2016, 10:47:05 AM »
I would think it would be quite easy to make a wrench checker with a weight or scale and lever.

I wonder how important it is to have an wrench when the bolt tightness is effected so much by thread state, lube etc.

I have seen mechanics tighten the bolts on a turbine by measuring the stretch (hollow bolt) that must be more accurate isn't it?
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Re: torque wrench review
« Reply #12 on: April 13, 2016, 11:03:38 AM »
Where is the Tekton wrench made?

Taiwan. It appears to be very good quality.
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Re: torque wrench review
« Reply #13 on: April 13, 2016, 11:06:14 AM »
Just how are torque wrenches calibrated? Prolly a mega-buck electronic gadget for use where absolute precision is demanded. Sure would be nice to have something simple that would ,say, clamp in a bench vice for use in a home shop. Would only need to check a couple values in the range of the wrench, just to be sure all is well after an "incident" like the wrench jumping off the bench & hitting the concrete floor. Yea. **it happens.
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Ron, what I use to check the clicker is my beam wrench. An 8 point socket on the clicker will fit the half inch beam wrench. Get the picture?  :smiley:
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Re: torque wrench review
« Reply #14 on: April 13, 2016, 11:08:59 AM »
I would think it would be quite easy to make a wrench checker with a weight or scale and lever.

I wonder how important it is to have an wrench when the bolt tightness is effected so much by thread state, lube etc.

I have seen mechanics tighten the bolts on a turbine by measuring the stretch (hollow bolt) that must be more accurate isn't it?

Absolutely, but not warranted on our ditch pumps.  :smiley:
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Re: torque wrench review
« Reply #15 on: April 13, 2016, 11:17:24 AM »
Thanks for that. I was told years ago that the beam type was accurate but it's good to hear it from you.

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Thanks, John.. but I'm not in Charlie's league on Guzzi stuff. That said, I *can* tell you about torque wrenches. I use them in industrial applications, and probably have more experience with them than most. On one of my jobs, I'll do several hundred torque settings per day. I have all kinds of them, from inch lbs. to 200 ft. lbs.
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Re: torque wrench review
« Reply #16 on: April 13, 2016, 02:02:55 PM »
Well, boys, as long as we're havin' a torque wrench thread, here's the final authority on the subject:

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Re: torque wrench review
« Reply #17 on: April 13, 2016, 02:09:26 PM »
Totally bad ass and self calibrating.  :thumb:
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Re: torque wrench review
« Reply #18 on: April 13, 2016, 03:56:54 PM »
ichibon has taught me about everything I know.. :thumb: Wish I'd seen how to make the bad ass torque wrench before I wasted my money on one.  :smiley:
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Re: torque wrench review
« Reply #19 on: April 13, 2016, 04:37:53 PM »
The manager at the local Discount Tire told me to bring mine in and check them on a calibrator they have.
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Re: torque wrench review
« Reply #20 on: April 13, 2016, 04:39:44 PM »
I'm probably in for a good flaming, but here goes.  I've got one of those $12 jobbies from Harbor Freight.  Accuracy claims are plus or minus 4 ft lbs.  I don't do a whole lot of wrenching, my LeMans is currently a patient of The Guzzi Doctor, but for the occasional axle nut I need to torque after a tire change, it's great. 
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Re: torque wrench review
« Reply #21 on: April 13, 2016, 04:48:08 PM »
Ok, put on your flame suit. plus or minus 4 lbs is pretty useless at a 10 lb setting.  :evil:
For an axle nut, "tighten it until you fart." (Roperism)  :smiley: No torque wrench needed.
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Re: torque wrench review
« Reply #22 on: April 13, 2016, 04:50:16 PM »
I also have a torque wrench that can no longer be calibrated, Snap-on of course.  I looked at these new fangled electronic torque transducer thingies.  One review I read said that the ones from Harbor Freight are very accurate over the entire range, also the ones provided by Delco.  I have not purchased one yet, has anyone else availed themselves of this new techonology or have any comments that are pertinent?

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I have the one from Harbor Freight - I've compared it to a range of traditional ones, and it seems pretty consistent and accurate. I've not tested it on an actual torque calibrator. However, it does mean I can carry a torque wrench on the bike while traveling. One thing to note is that it uses a 1/2" drive (F for handle, M for sockets) so you need to have a 1/2" drive wrench or speed handle, or carry adapters for both ends. Using the adapters has the potential to introduce a degree of error in torque values, but so far I haven't found a problem.
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Re: torque wrench review
« Reply #23 on: April 13, 2016, 04:56:45 PM »
Ok, put on your flame suit. plus or minus 4 lbs is pretty useless at a 10 lb setting.  :evil:
For an axle nut, "tighten it until you fart." (Roperism)  :smiley: No torque wrench needed.

Actually, Harbor Freight claims (!) accuracy +/- 4%, not 4 ft-lbs, on their traditional torque wrenches, and 2% on the electronic one (which BTW doesn't have much low range). Whether that claim is valid in the real world is a good question..
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Re: torque wrench review
« Reply #24 on: April 13, 2016, 05:00:56 PM »
Your new one looks (except for the labeling) exactly like the ones at Harbor Freight, right down to the case it comes in.

I'm using a thirty year old plus Craftsman.  Still within spec.

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Re: torque wrench review
« Reply #25 on: April 13, 2016, 05:33:09 PM »
I'm a gearhead (tool whore) who has followed the torque wrench debate for many years.  One thing that has stood out is that these tools are most accurate over the middle 60% of their range.  As an example, a torque wrench with a range of 0-100 lb/ft would be most accurate from 20~80 lb/ft.  This means that you really need a couple wrenches, maybe even three.  The first would be for light applications (the 10NM axle pinch bolts on my Stelvio comes to mind), the next for stuff in the 10lb/ft~80lb/ft range, and a final one for really cranking down on things like the wheel nuts on the Stelvio (110NM).  The good news is that these tools are not horribly expensive and give peace of mind for those of us who do not have calibrated muscles.  Years ago it was shown that a very experienced mechanic could do just as well as a torque wrench.  I'm not that good or lucky.

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Re: torque wrench review
« Reply #26 on: April 13, 2016, 05:52:04 PM »
I would think it would be quite easy to make a wrench checker with a weight or scale and lever.

I wonder how important it is to have an wrench when the bolt tightness is effected so much by thread state, lube etc.

I have seen mechanics tighten the bolts on a turbine by measuring the stretch (hollow bolt) that must be more accurate isn't it?
The most accurate methods of tightening a fastener in descending order of accuracy.

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Ive been using the Warren and Brown wrenches for over 40 years to torque everything from motorcycle cylinder heads and cases to 747 main wheels and engine mount bolts.
Its actually triple signal so you always know if its hit the selected torque. You can hear it, see it and most of the time feel when it triggers. Able to be easily calibrated  and safe to back fasteners off with it.
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Re: torque wrench review
« Reply #27 on: April 13, 2016, 06:58:10 PM »
Sorry if I missed something Chuck, but why didn't Matco give you a new one?  Warranty should mean something....

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Re: torque wrench review
« Reply #28 on: April 13, 2016, 07:12:42 PM »
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Re: torque wrench review
« Reply #29 on: April 13, 2016, 07:51:12 PM »
Not good business - would have earned far more to replace or substantial discount....

 

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