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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: Luap McKeever on April 03, 2019, 10:29:17 AM
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The 1400 is more than likely on the chopping block. If they do away with that lineup, will you stay on Guzzi?
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Though I own a 1400 and really like and plan on keeping it for years to come, unless it's weight becomes an issue because of age. I'm 60. If that does become an issue I would stay with guzzi, say a V9 equipped like a 1400 touring, that would be sweet IMHO.
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I have never, in my 38 years of riding, needed, wanted or owned a motorcycle above 750 cc. Can't see it changing.
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Yes.
John Henry
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That will have absolutely no effect on me.
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can't beat the original Eldo, I'm looking at one this weekend..
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Sorry,
I stopped after the CARC was killed. I had a Griso, still have a Stelvio with 30k miles.
I'll be done after the Stelvio unless something changes.
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can't beat the original Eldo, I'm looking at one this weekend..
I was out on mine yesterday, stuck in traffic, I thought to myself this is one bike I don't mind puttering along on, the car drivers for the most part enjoy it ticking away.
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No effect here for me, my largest cc bike is my V11 Sport and have no plans on anything larger, unless a Rune fell into my garage :evil:
Paul B :boozing:
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No crystal ball but, now I will say yes indeed. Besides, who the hell is ever going to buy the ones I got laying around. :grin:
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Huh ?
Dusty
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My Cali is again for sale, and I would very likely have bought a V7III or a V85 — if it’s up to snuff — if I hadn’t purchased my GS last summer. Make no mistake, I really like the Cali, but want to retrench with just two bikes, at least for now.
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My newest Guzzi is a Breva 1100 and unless something of interest comes along I won't buy a newer Guzzi.
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The small block isn't for me. The 1400 has possibilities but not in cruiser form. I read here that the 1400 was doomed. I also read an interview with the MG executive, he said that the 1400 would continue and 1100 would be developed too.
All I know is I am not waiting and I got something else Italian but completely different.
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I have 2 Guzzis f/s. Once they are gone I'll be done riding Guzzi's until i get another.
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I have 2 Guzzis f/s. Once they are gone I'll be done riding Guzzi's until i get another.
been there done that :cool:
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been there done that :cool:
I had five (5) at one time then down to one (1) then back up to two (2) and now want to get to zero for a while.
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Definitely yes. I will be sad to see them being drop from production but I will get over that, having couple of them already will help to easy the pain and should carry me for few years ahead.
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Of course!!
Will continue riding my 750 Ambassador.
:boozing:
Jokes aside.
They invested money on developing a completely new motorcycle ( the 1400 series) and after a few years they will just drop it ?
I guess it won’t worth keep producing it ?
I don’t buy that it’s due to the euro 5 .
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Care less if they dropped the 1400 model . Still sticking to my build(Eldo) and my Quota. It seems that Guzzi does not sell over 1000 1400 units per year(If that Many). The small block models don't have the big profit margins. Hope Guzzi makes it to 2021.
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1921 to 2021? R.i.p guzzi? I sure hope not
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Why would I stop riding the brand I prefer just because they discontinue a line I never liked in the first place?
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Huh ?
Dusty
I've heard scuttle butt in other venues that if they do away with the 1400 series, they would switch brands. So, I thought I'd feel out this venue...
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- If the big blocks are discontinued, will I continue to ride Guzzi?
Maybe.
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I'll continue to ride my Guzzi even if they eliminate Moto Guzzi...
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Seems like most of the responders don't even own a 1400, so of course it wouldn't matter to them. I'm curious how many of the 1400 owners would say no.
I said yes because I have no desire to own a fuel injected bike. About the newest that grabs my attention is the 1100 Sport - the early carb version. The 70s and 80s bikes are more than fast enough for me, and with a little tweaking, the suspension does just fine. No issue with the brakes, as is, once de-linked. I just happen to like the earlier stuff best. Besides, I'm not into a huge heavy bike like the 1400 - more into sport style.
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Seems like most of the responders don't even own a 1400, so of course it wouldn't matter to them. I'm curious how many of the 1400 owners would say no.
I have considered buying a Cal14. If discontinued, I will probably drop them from consideration. Last thing I want is a heavily electronic orphan motorcycle with the nearest dealer 250+ miles distant. Just doesn't interest me.
It's sad to admit, but if Guzzi cannot keep dealerships in my part of The Country, a motorcycling mecca with several 500,000 population metros within 200 miles, I will likely never own another new, or newish, Moto Guzzi.
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How would I even know unless I clicked on a 1400-related thread? I'm still riding BSAs and they went out of business 47 years ago.
Lannis
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+1 Lannis I could care less, I'm not buying new models, nothing I like. Can't afford it anyway. I'll be selling not buying, I don't plan on living forever OR trying to.
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I'm hoping my 2015 1400 tourer will take me to the end of my ridding career. If it doesn't, due to mechanical failures that I or my ole Honda mechanic can't handle, I will more than likely not own another Guzzi, 1400 or otherwise.
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I'm curious what the story is about the 1400? What have you heard?
Ncdan - The weight of the bike mostly matters at very slow speeds or parking it. I don't believe guys downsize for any other reason than dropping them while parking or rolling it around. Like you say, it takes no effort riding.
By the way - ridding is the action of getting something gone. Example - I'm ridding myself of fleas.
Riding is the action of what we do when we ride.
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Yes, just so they keep parts on the shelf. I love my California Touring and tend to keep vehicles that agree with me for extended periods. My 2005 Triumph Rocket has been in the garage since new. The Thunderbird Sport I sold years back haunted me until I finally located another and set up to my personal tastes, it is staying put. Finally the Honda CL77 I am in the process of restoring is also staying till the big"dirt nap" comes.
The Cally just has the looks, lines, sound, and ride that floats my boat. The first time I saw one, (in print I might add), I decided I would own one eventually, and have never regretted the purchase. If do away with the line, that's ok, I will still be on mine.....
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i just got mine back today with new rubber. what a pleasure, so assured in the turns and absolutely serene on the highway. only an unforeseen circumstance would tempt me to part with it. if they stop making them, it doesn't matter to me because i already have mine.
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So here's a thought... What if...
What if they hadn't made the Cali 1400 a beastly Harley-esque bike?
What if they had instead placed that lump in an upright riding position, shorter wheelbase, SSSA chassis that was closer in size and looks to an original Eldo?
I think more differentiation from a Harley might have had me consider it longer when I was shopping.
But in the end it was too much a Harley and I preferred the Harley.
So I'm sad that it might go away, but I'm LOVING the look and feel of my smallblocks so I'm gonna keep some Guzzis in my garage.
Still I can't help but wonder what if...
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i don't see any reason to get rid of mine just because guzzi moves on.
Its interesting to me that 4 of my last 6 motorcycles have been Moto Guzzis. On the face of it, that makes me somewhat of a loyalist. But, i don't buy them because they are guzzis, i buy them because they fit my idea of what a motorcycle should give me. After a few years of ownership, I sold the Stelvio, which i liked very much, and replaced it a few years later with a Super Tenere. That lasted only a few months and i sold it to my son. i replaced it with a KTM Super Adventure S, which really fits my idea of what that type of bike should be. I have no plans to sell the KTM or the Cali1400 any time soon.
Would i continue to buy Moto Guzzi? If I'm in the market again some day, and they build what i'm looking for, most definitely. they have proven to be the marque that most consistently resonates with my ideal motorcycle experience. i wouldn't let things like how much they piss me off for possibly letting the 1400 die off stop me from buying the best possible experience I can on the next one. Once i buy it, i guess it doesn't really matter if they keep making it, i would already have one.
DR
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The 1400 is more than likely on the chopping block. If they do away with that lineup, will you stay on Guzzi?
I was told by one of the owners of GP motorcycles in SD that the 1400 has already been discontinued due to emissions and they are just selling all the remaining stock. The 850 is the future it seems.
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I'm curious what the story is about the 1400? What have you heard?
Ncdan - The weight of the bike mostly matters at very slow speeds or parking it. I don't believe guys downsize for any other reason than dropping them while parking or rolling it around. Like you say, it takes no effort riding.
By the way - ridding is the action of getting something gone. Example - I'm ridding myself of fleas.
Well many thanks for the grammar police action. Duly noted, I'll pass it on to the spell checker. 👮👮
Riding is the action of what we do when we ride.
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Never really thought... "Gee, you know, if they discontinue selling the 1400's, I think I'll stop riding my MG '08 1200 Sport.... NOT!!!!!
A better question might be...
If Moto Guzzi stops selling motorcycles and the dealers go away, will I continue to ride them?
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I have to agree; Luap, although I voted your question is too vague.
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I have considered buying a Cal14. If discontinued, I will probably drop them from consideration. Last thing I want is a heavily electronic orphan motorcycle with the nearest dealer 250+ miles distant.
Same here. I have been looking at a Cali to satisfy my cruiser itch but I don't like the idea of owning a late model vehicle no longer in production. I'll probably look elsewhere if it gets dropped.
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I've heard scuttle butt in other venues that if they do away with the 1400 series, they would switch brands. So, I thought I'd feel out this venue...
Yeah , well , those other sites are clueless , the real Guzzi riders inhabit this place :smiley:
Maybe the new V85 will be a hit , don't small blocks represent like 90% of new Guzzi sales ?
Dusty
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If I wanted a 1400 (I like them just fine) I's wait a year and get a leftover for, I'm sure, a great price.
That said, models come and go for all manufactures-I don't see that influencing my decision.
I REALLY like my Guzzi experience but if it wasn't for the great dealer relationship I'm quite fortunate to have I wouldn't have a Guzzi. I consider myself lucky to have found the brand and the satisfaction the bikes afford me.
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There are enough 1400's out there that I don't think obtaining one will be a problem. I absolutely love my 14 touring. It still seems like a new bike to me even though it's close to 50000 miles. At some point it might get to heavy, we'll just have to see. I've still got a couple of Ev's and a Convert hanging around to keep me in floor board bikes.
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I don't have a Guzzi at this point. Without the 1400, there's nothing in the lineup that even remotely interests me. So, for me, no 1400, means no interest in any other Guzzi at this time. I'm even losing interest in a used 1400 now knowing that it's just another dead bike line that wasn't even supported when they were current. I've been there and done that twice already with dead lines and I'm not looking for a trifecta.
Though I did love the two Honda Valkyrie Interstates I had after Honda killed that line. And I love my Victory Cross Country Tour more than any other motorcycle I've ever had in over 50 years of riding. Even though Polaris killed off the entire brand, I have no plans or thoughts what so ever of getting rid of my Victory.
Though I do wish I hadn't sold the 1960 Stornello Sport 125cc back in 1999. And one of my old Converts may still be fun to play around on. But if Moto Guzzi is nothing but 750's and the 850, I have no reason to look at a new Moto Guzzi at this point. I'll continue to wish Moto Guzzi well. I sincerely hope they make some exciting 100th Anniversary models in 2021.
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I have to wonder if anyone in Guzzi management ever reads this forum? There is no motorcycle forum like this one.
I just wonder within 5 years this forum will be guys that owned Guzzi and still ride, party and camp together. Maybe like veterans groups or alumni associations.
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My ambo just turned 50 and starts and runs like new. Don't get why I'd stop riding it just cuz the 1400 is being discontinued. Same for the rest of my Pre-aprilia herd.
The 1400 is a neat bike, but wasn't my kind of bike.
Maybe they'll re-purpose the motor and build something similar to the Guzzitech GTM01 :evil:
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I have to wonder if anyone in Guzzi management ever reads this forum? There is no motorcycle forum like this one.
I just wonder within 5 years this forum will be guys that owned Guzzi and still ride, party and camp together. Maybe like veterans groups or alumni associations.
They used to. When I wrote up the purchase process of my Stelvio back in 2010 or so, I got a T-shirt in the mail from a guy in the New York (at the time) headquarters office, so they were reading it then.
Probably not now though. I agree that this list is the best source of marketing information that Guzzi could have, and if they're not reading it, they're idiots.
BSA was in business for only 70 years. But today, 58 or so years after BSA died a permanent death, I'm a member of 3 BSA clubs, have several BSAs, and will travel to England in August to meet, camp and ride BSAs with 500 other guys. It's easier for me to get BSA parts than to get Guzzi parts, and I know guys riding BSAs on Iron Butt 50CC, Bun Burner, and other long rides.
You don't think that maybe Guzzi might be the same?
Lannis
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Why would I stop riding the brand I prefer just because they discontinue a line I never liked in the first place?
Sums it up nicely. :thumb:
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Sums it up nicely. :thumb:
i must concur.
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Wait - there is a 1400 - line?
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I love the 1400 engine and I think the drivetrain has incredible potential. I bought my Touring almost solely because of the engine. What ruins the bike for me is simply the cruiser platform. There are performance concessions made for style that will cause me to trade my bike at some point in the next year or two. The too wide rear tire, weight and ground clearance issues are just par for the course on big cruisers so it’s not like Guzzi did anything wrong with the 1400, imho.
I have little interest in the small blocks. They don’t have the power I want. I also don’t like matte paint or painted exhausts.
For me, the Stelvio is too tall and too heavy for the kind of motorcycle it is.
That leaves the new V85. I might be interested in one when they come out with the four valve head. The TT looks like it’ll be a success and is getting rave reviews. I’ll definitely look at one as soon as they’re on dealer floors.
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As for the 1400 bikes... not normally a fan of the big cruzers... but when I first saw the Eldorado.... wow thats a nice looking bike!! Doubt I will ever get one... but I would love to ride one one day. I would be nice to keep them around for the US market at least.... but then again, if they keep not having any marketing for them.... why bother.
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I have to agree; Luap, although I voted your question is too vague.
Yes it is vague. On purpose. Why? Because like I said before....other sites that I visit on occasion are talking about how when they stop the 1400's, they'll switch brands. The reasons they gave were vague, but most were liking it to similarities of Victory. They quit making Victories, so most of the people that already had one sold it just because of that. My personal opinion is that they sold their bikes only because deep down inside, they were just wanting an excuse to do that anyway.
I was simply curious about this site's thoughts. Silly me.
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... I would stay with guzzi, say a V9 equipped like a 1400 touring, that would be sweet IMHO.
I think the V9 (or V85) that looked like a Cal Vin with modern stuff like EFI & ABS would be boss! And if light enough my "off into the sunset" last new motorcycle purchase.
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I think the V9 (or V85) that looked like a Cal Vin with modern stuff like EFI & ABS would be boss! And if light enough my "off into the sunset" last new motorcycle purchase.
NO, no, No, nO, NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO. God not the flaccid whale penis mistake of a tank. Just NO!
Less cruiser, more "classic standard" - Eldo, Ambo - ish.... look and ergos and BAMN - it's would be a hit.
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For me it will depend a bit on how the V85 does.
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For the roads around where I live the V7 shines. I have the Road Glide for the roads you see when looking at a state map.
I am enjoying the little Himalayan so much because there are hundreds of miles of gravel / broken pavement / chip & seal roads that run along ridges and streams that I wouldn't take the other bikes on.
When I hop on the Road Glide I feel like I have to go somewhere. When I hop on the V7 I am looking for curvy smooth roads. When I hop on the Himalayan I get to really explore and smell the roses and enjoy the scenery.
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I wouldn't be riding a Guzzi if it wasn't for the 1400 motor in my Mgx, I like the look, & feel of this heavyweight engine.
I have lightweight high HP bikes in my stable such as the Ducati Hypermotard & KTM 1290r Superduke. Guzzi has nothing to compete against them, but with the 1400 heavyweight motor they can compete in the arena against the HDs, Indians, BMWs, Hondas, Victorys, etc. Heavy cruisers.
For long distance riding you just can't beat the heavyweight cruisers, so IMO I think that if Guzzi drops the 1400 line it may be a major blow for them.
Motorcycle trends are always changing, and the heavyweight segment might be slowing, but I don't think that its ever going away.
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Of course. My three Guzzis do anything Iwant. I told PIaggio that trying to compete with Harleys was a huge mistake. Nobody listens to me, however. When Iasked nephew Ricky the hawg guy if he even knew anyone that would *look* at a big Guzzi, he gave me the roll eye.
Love is blind they say.. and Ricky is now thinking of buying a Harley dealership. I'm telling him that would be a huge mistake. All the younger guys I see riding are on smaller bikes. Their electric is grossly overpriced. Still, nobody listens to me.. <shrug>
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I listen to you, Chuck. :thumb:
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I listen to you, Chuck. :thumb:
Same here , always listen to the smart folks :bow:
Dusty
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I listen to you, Chuck. :thumb:
Chuck?
Chuck who?
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give him this frightening statistic. in 2005-06 they produced over 1/2 million Harleys, the last year with stats, I think 16 or 17 put the number at 146,000. that number is not going to go up. younger riders just can' afford it with student debt and we old guys are moving to smaller bikes or coffins.
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NO, no, No, nO, NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO. God not the flaccid whale penis mistake of a tank. Just NO!
Less cruiser, more "classic standard" - Eldo, Ambo - ish.... look and ergos and BAMN - it's would be a hit.
(https://i.ebayimg.com/images/i/362050288726-0-1/s-l1000.jpg)
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Yeah I'll still ride Guzzi's. I NEED to add a sidecar rig and I desperately lust after a 500 cc single.
Guzzi could bring back the bologna slicer. Refit it with disks and put some panniers on it a great townie vehicle.
(https://assets.catawiki.nl/assets/2016/12/14/3/2/a/32a81e7e-c224-11e6-8f74-462d036ef824.jpg)
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give him this frightening statistic. in 2005-06 they produced over 1/2 million Harleys, the last year with stats, I think 16 or 17 put the number at 146,000. that number is not going to go up. younger riders just can' afford it with student debt and we old guys are moving to smaller bikes or coffins.
I don't disagree that I probably wouldn't be opening/buying a Harley dealer right now (unless the price was right), but those numbers are inaccurate.
2005: 329,017
2006: 349,196
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total: 679,815
2016: 262,221
2017: 241,498
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total: 503,719
That's a much different picture than you were painting, and far from out of business.
As long as we're comparing peaks and lows, it's a far cry from 1986 - 1987
1986: 36,735
1987: 43,315
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total: 80,050
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Why would I stop riding the brand I prefer just because they discontinue a line I never liked in the first place?
Mega Dittos on that. Piaggio/Guzzi blew a lot of pasta trying to make yettanuther kroozer. Shouda spent their lira on optimizing their big & small block lines.
I've had both and love them, and will keep riding them. Still... there were/are more than a few embaassments in design and quality that should never have happened to the once-proud Guzzi line.
'Geezer
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give him this frightening statistic. in 2005-06 they produced over 1/2 million Harleys, the last year with stats, I think 16 or 17 put the number at 146,000. that number is not going to go up. younger riders just can' afford it with student debt and we old guys are moving to smaller bikes or coffins.
I didn't buy my first Harley until I was in my early 50s. There will always be someone turning 50 with the kids out on their own and finding themselves with some extra money. When I can no longer safely move it around I will do something different.
I was that younger rider who couldn't afford it. Harley have always been more expensive than the Japanese bikes. They are something for young people to aspire to owning or they are buying used sportsters if they can't wait.
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I didn't buy my first Harley until I was in my early 50s. There will always be someone turning 50 with the kids out on their own and finding themselves with some extra money. When I can no longer safely move it around I will do something different.
I was that younger rider who couldn't afford it. Harley have always been more expensive than the Japanese bikes. They are something for young people to aspire to owning or they are buying used sportsters if they can't wait.
The difference is... when you were younger, a Harley was "the bike to have".
In 20 years, it could very well be that a Triumph Bonnie is "the bike to have", because they "always wanted one when they were younger". Obviously, a lot of folks these days don't care much for the big ol' cruiser model, can't see why they'd start when they hit 50, they'll want what they wanted when they were younger and money was tighter. The times they are a changin'.
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I listen to you, Chuck. :thumb:
You're not the only one. :thumb:
Seems like Dusty does as well. You're on a roll Chuck! :grin:
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I don't listen to Chuck, why would I? Just look at him! :shocked:
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I don't listen to Chuck, why would I? Just look at him! :shocked:
You're just jealous beause I have hair.. :evil: :smiley:
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We all of course to listen to Chuck, It's why in hell he listens to us that 's curios. :bow:
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The difference is... when you were younger, a Harley was "the bike to have".
In 20 years,
Wait, wait, how young do you think he is?
Hell, Harley wasn't the bike to have when I was a kid.
They were just climbing out of the shadow of AMF and a stereotype of bag reliability 20 years ago.
So I'm not so sure about your connection to childhood aspirations equaling adult sales.
Hell for many bikes weren't on childhood radar, but they became aware later in life.
But time will tell.
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Quote from: Kev m on Today at 09:36:56 AM
NO, no, No, nO, NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO. God not the flaccid whale penis mistake of a tank. Just NO!
Less cruiser, more "classic standard" - Eldo, Ambo - ish.... look and ergos and BAMN - it's would be a hit.
That's what's needed, a 1400-T. Make mine Brown with gold Mylar striping. :grin: ( kidding about the brown )
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Those numbers are crazy big. I wonder, in the 90 + years Moto Guzzi has been manufacturing motorcycles, how many have they made? with those numbers, Harley has probably produced more motorcycles in 5 years than Moto Guzzi has in its entire history. But I have no idea I'm just speculating.
I don't disagree that I probably wouldn't be opening/buying a Harley dealer right now (unless the price was right), but those numbers are inaccurate.
2005: 329,017
2006: 349,196
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total: 679,815
2016: 262,221
2017: 241,498
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total: 503,719
That's a much different picture than you were painting, and far from out of business.
As long as we're comparing peaks and lows, it's a far cry from 1986 - 1987
1986: 36,735
1987: 43,315
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total: 80,050
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Harley has something like 6000 employees, MG has I think 100, think about it. Yes I already have a 1400 and if its gone, would consider another one in the line.
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My dream bike at age 16, in 1983, was a Harley...
XR-1000 !!! :bike-037:
(https://cdn1.mecum.com/auctions/lv0118/lv0118-315185/images/1-1513116009303@2x.jpg?1514560274000)
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My dream bike at age 16, in 1983, was a Harley...
XR-1000 !!! :bike-037:
(https://cdn1.mecum.com/auctions/lv0118/lv0118-315185/images/1-1513116009303@2x.jpg?1514560274000)
I've ridden it. Meh.
Owned a Seca 550 at the time.
(I've learned that those bikes could be potent with simple mods, stock/OEM, meh)
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Well,
back to the question "will you continue to ride"
Shite - of course! Never had a phookin' 1400 and never intend to.
Guzzi's problem is not Riders...it BUYERS. :thumb:
Now - "will you continue to BUY NEW": no, and in fact I ceased to do so decades ago....for multiple reasons.
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My dream bike at age 16, in 1983, was a Harley...
XR-1000 !!! :bike-037:
(https://cdn1.mecum.com/auctions/lv0118/lv0118-315185/images/1-1513116009303@2x.jpg?1514560274000)
I remember seeing one at a mc show a year or so after I got my license and bought my first bike. I loved it! It was nothing like the Harley's I'd seen. I had no knowledge of flat track racing but I wanted one. Years later if Harley made a Sporty like that I'd have to buy one. Beautiful motor!
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The difference is... when you were younger, a Harley was "the bike to have".
In 20 years, it could very well be that a Triumph Bonnie is "the bike to have", because they "always wanted one when they were younger". Obviously, a lot of folks these days don't care much for the big ol' cruiser model, can't see why they'd start when they hit 50, they'll want what they wanted when they were younger and money was tighter. The times they are a changin'.
I guess it depends of they stay local riding or start touring. When I got my Voyager XII and started riding cross country to attend American Voyager Association Rallies I was amazed at how far I could comfortably ride. I've had at least one touring bike in the stable ever since.
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I've owned 6 types and they have all been discontinued. I still love to ride em.
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They only 1400 that even gets a second look from me is the Audace....
Since I need to get the Ambo on the road, and the v65 cafe project is never-ending....
AND I would want:
V85tt
Sport 1100
V11 Lemans with the full fairing
Tonti hack rig
all those would have to be in my garage (on top of the Guzzi I already have) before I even thought about something from the 1400 range... it's not looking like I will ever own any type of California, least of all a 1400
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The 1400 was always too heavy and cumbersome, the smaller bikes were too small for comfortable touring. The Stelvio was the best match for my touring needs. Unfortunately, I got old and it had to be sold.
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Just got back from OKCs new dealer (on the ride home fell in love with my Griso again with the clutch working good) and he said he was told by Guzzi at the HQ dealer meeting he had recently that the 1400 engine stays in production. It is Euro 5 compliant and will remain in the Eldorado and Audace. The MGX21 and California line will go away and another platform will be added with the engine. I asked if he knew what it would be, such as a retro standard and he said they were tight lipped, wouldn't reveal what it would be.
He seems to me to be a no BS kind of guy, so I think he was shooting straight and not just spewing opinion. Also, if we want Moto Guzzi to continue, we need to support our dealers and the company. It's a big investment to be a dealer and I recall my old dealer said in his good by post he was happy that now he could be riding on Saturdays instead of selling and fixing other peoples bikes.
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If they did a redesign of the 1400 Eldo with a bat wing fairing, cop like hard luggage and tasteful mag wheels or tubeless wire spoke wheels it just might be the only big Guzzi they need. Just get rid of the plastic cut-outs on the fuel tank. But if the 1400 can't meet future Euro regs there is no way Piaggio will replace it.
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Just got back from OKCs new dealer (on the ride home fell in love with my Griso again with the clutch working good) and he said he was told by Guzzi at the HQ dealer meeting he had recently that the 1400 engine stays in production. It is Euro 5 compliant and will remain in the Eldorado and Audace. The MGX21 and California line will go away and another platform will be added with the engine. I asked if he knew what it would be, such as a retro standard and he said they were tight lipped, wouldn't reveal what it would be.
He seems to me to be a no BS kind of guy, so I think he was shooting straight and not just spewing opinion. Also, if we want Moto Guzzi to continue, we need to support our dealers and the company. It's a big investment to be a dealer and I recall my old dealer said in his good by post he was happy that now he could be riding on Saturdays instead of selling and fixing other peoples bikes.
That's good news. The 1400 motor is too good to pull the plug on IMO. Agree 200% with supporting your dealers. Guess I need to make a trip to OKC this year and meet our new dealer.
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@Luap McKeever - what are your thoughts on them ending the MGX-21? I looked at one at a dealer and loved it, but I wasn't sure if I could handle a bike that big. I've seen them selling new as low as $13k but would hate to jump on something that loses support.
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If they did a redesign of the 1400 Eldo with a bat wing fairing, cop like hard luggage and tasteful mag wheels or tubeless wire spoke wheels it just might be the only big Guzzi they need. Just get rid of the plastic cut-outs on the fuel tank. But if the 1400 can't meet future Euro regs there is no way Piaggio will replace it.
The 1400 Eldo has tubeless spoked wheels... Alpina type...
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@Luap McKeever - what are your thoughts on them ending the MGX-21? I looked at one at a dealer and loved it, but I wasn't sure if I could handle a bike that big. I've seen them selling new as low as $13k but would hate to jump on something that loses support.
Under the skin, all California 1400s are the same. So, if the Eldo and Audace remain, then support remains.
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Just got back from OKCs new dealer (on the ride home fell in love with my Griso again with the clutch working good) and he said he was told by Guzzi at the HQ dealer meeting he had recently that the 1400 engine stays in production. It is Euro 5 compliant and will remain in the Eldorado and Audace. The MGX21 and California line will go away and another platform will be added with the engine. I asked if he knew what it would be, such as a retro standard and he said they were tight lipped, wouldn't reveal what it would be.
So:
- California 1400 Touring and MGX-21 will cancel.
- Eldorado and Audace will remain in the lineup.
Lets hope Piaggio allows the paint shop some latitude for broadening the available colors. I hope they have something cool in mind for the new 1400 model. I need something aspiring from Guzzi. It's been awhile.
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My current bike, Stelvio NTX, is going to be my last big machine. Like Chuck H I am approaching the time when a lighter rig will become a must. As a long time Guzzi rider I will stay with them until the end. But on one the smaller bikes. So the fate of the 1400's wont have a great effect on my situation. I have bought several new Guzzi's over the almost fifty years I have been riding them. Not one of them was still in production when I sold it. As will be the case with my present Stelvio. Guzzi has been rumored to be going away for a long time now but I think it will be possible for me to end my riding career on one without any trouble.
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Just got back from OKCs new dealer and he said he was told by Guzzi at the HQ dealer meeting he had recently that the 1400 engine stays in production. It is Euro 5 compliant and will remain in the Eldorado and Audace. The MGX21 and California line will go away and another platform will be added with the engine. I asked if he knew what it would be, such as a retro standard and he said they were tight lipped, wouldn't reveal what it would be.
Great news! Maybe there’s hope for a new 100th anniversary model 2 up touring ready Ambassador built off the beautiful Eldorado.
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@Luap McKeever - what are your thoughts on them ending the MGX-21? I looked at one at a dealer and loved it, but I wasn't sure if I could handle a bike that big.
I rode a dressed California Touring two up. Underway, it felt lighter and more nimble than my Jackal. I was amazed. Still they are large. And I love my Tonti. If I were pressed, however, the iteration of 1400 that appeals to me most is the red Eldo. Guzzi appeals to me across the line and across the decades, 1400 or no.
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I rode a dressed California Touring two up. Underway, it felt lighter and more nimble than my Jackal. I was amazed. Still they are large. And I love my Tonti. If I were pressed, however, the iteration of 1400 that appeals to me most is the red Eldo. Guzzi appeals to me across the line and across the decades, 1400 or no.
Kid, I have a 2015 Tourer and you are spot on. I've had several heavy touring and cruiser bikes over the years but none of which were as balanced as this MG Tourer. I can literally come to a complete stop then put one foot on the ground and balance the 750 LB beast until letting the clutch out to go foreword. I could never do that, every time, on my Electra glide or Goldwing.
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I could care less
???
Never could understand that term.
A bit like “irregardless”
A bloke was talking about the best player on his team the other day..
He said..
“Alex’s importance to the team can’t be underestimated”
Did these guys actually GO to school ?
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???
Never could understand that term.
A bit like “irregardless”
A bloke was talking about the best player on his team the other day..
He said..
“Alex’s importance to the team can’t be underestimated”
Did these guys actually GO to school ?
Think it's supposed to be "I couldn't care less", which makes sense. When the "not" part gets left out, it becomes a logic fail.
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Yeah yeah yeah , an Ozzie and an Okie commenting of usage of the English language :rolleyes:
Dusty
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Yeah yeah yeah , an Ozzie and an Okie commenting of usage of the English language :rolleyes:
Dusty
Just koz I be a Okie don't mean I kaint spill.
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The 1400 was always too heavy and cumbersome, the smaller bikes were too small for comfortable touring. The Stelvio was the best match for my touring needs. Unfortunately, I got old and it had to be sold.
I'm gettin' old too, about 18 years behind you, and sometime between now and my mid 80s this is going to be me. No excuses, no apologies, just have fun as long as I can ....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J59SFTqb7MQ
Lannis
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I've never had interest in cruisers but after driving my truck across the country, I can see the appeal of a big touring bike.
Looked at the new Harley Heritage Softail, which are nice, but expensive, and not sure if I'm a Harley guy.
So, considering getting a Cali 1400 Touring.... :grin:
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I am keeping mine untill I put the kickstand down and go terminal ... I can't believe MG would kill the 1400 line ...has anyone ever met a MG factoryRep sales guy in the USA.. hell I even saw a Fiat factory rep the other day ( two wheels too many though ..)
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I have. But it was years back. His vision and reality seemed a bit apart.
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@Luap McKeever - what are your thoughts on them ending the MGX-21? I looked at one at a dealer and loved it, but I wasn't sure if I could handle a bike that big. I've seen them selling new as low as $13k but would hate to jump on something that loses support.
It don't matter to me. I already have mine :evil: :thumb:
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I’ll ride my ‘07 Norge till she dies, or I die! I honestly believe the motorcycle will outlast me. I will not buy any new Guzzi’s unless something dramatically different happens, like the return of a sport tourer.
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That will have absolutely no effect on me.
Ditto
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this reminds me of mercedes in the late 60s and early 70s. they could not understand why in america, we would want air conditioning if the car had a sunroof. i think they started to get more input from americans later in the decade and learned what we really wanted and would pay for and look at them now. i don't think mg has ever done this. the 1400 is a bike that we "should" like, but it seems that they have put no effort behind it to get it out there. when bmw brought out their cruiser in the late 90s, they sent the demo truck to every dealership in the country. it really helped the sales for that bike, but only with current bmw owners for the most part. the 1400 is so much more than just a cruiser it is a real shame if they kill it without having really tried to help it to succeed.
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Kid, I have a 2015 Tourer and you are spot on. I've had several heavy touring and cruiser bikes over the years but none of which were as balanced as this MG Tourer. I can literally come to a complete stop then put one foot on the ground and balance the 750 LB beast until letting the clutch out to go foreword. I could never do that, every time, on my Electra glide or Goldwing.
I do that on my road glide all the time. The only time I put both feet down and when I want to stand up and stretch.
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the stability is one of the best traits of the 1400s. i just got new rubber on mine and it is a reminder of how much i love riding it. I find it is as effortless as a 700lb bike can be.
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I have a HONDA T1100 I bought from a friends estate, I always liked the bike, but boy get it a few degrees off center while still and your knees better be in good nix! Good to hear the 1400 is nicely balanced Anyone looking for a well cared for one owner ST?