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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: tonUPRacer on April 08, 2019, 08:55:16 AM
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What was beginning as a perfect 1st ride of my season ended with me calling in a complaint to a local construction company for one of their driver's aggressive behavior. Nothing takes the grin off my face or makes me think seriously of giving up riding than encounters such as these. We traveling on a local county road where 2 lanes merge to one. I was in the left lane he was in his tool truck beside me. Eye contact was made horn was sounded and he still merged over and forced me to brake and yield. I later passed him, did the one finger salute got his truck number and called in the complaint. Hopefully somebody will take the complaint seriously. I've been toying with giving this road thing up and going back to where I started, in the dirt. I own 80 acres and a cabin in UP of Michigan with access to tons of trails. It may be the best thing for me and my young family.
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Hate to break the news , but dealing with bad aggressive drivers is part of the equation . Flipping a bad driver off accomplishes nothing , calling their boss might help , ymmv .
Dusty
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So did flashing the finger give you a feeling of satisfaction? Seems to me that type of behavior is not only immature but serves no purpose other then, perhaps, to aggravate the truck driver and invite further confrontation. Asshole riders and driver are everywhere and we got deal with it.
I find it best to ignore those ass hole drivers, yield to then when I must, and go on my merry way still smilimg. When being tail gated I do my best to allow that ass hole and opportunity to pass.
To minimize my risk I do my best to keep my riding shills sharp, avoid dangerous situations, maintain my cool, relax, and enjoy the ride. Every minutes we're angary or aggravated is a moment of joy lost. Life is short, enjoy every moment ya can. :popcorn:
Paul
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You might be "in the right" but on two wheels you could end up dead right. Best to play it safe by keeping your cool. I've never seen anyone able to flip someone off and keep their eye on the road. Usually it's a major distraction and could set up all sorts of bad scenarios. Believe me , I know the temptation but I'm way over it .
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Glad you were not injured.
Personally, I just try to stay the hell out of the way because (a long time ago) a car hit me, and it hurt like hell for a very long time. I even went out and got me a plastic Jesus after that one.
Ride like you're invisible.
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We traveling on a local county road where 2 lanes merge to one. I was in the left lane he was in his tool truck beside me. Eye contact was made horn was sounded and he still merged over and forced me to brake and yield.
So, I'll guess the Sign said "Right Land Ends, Merge Left"? And you were going to hold your ground and force him to back off the throttle and merge behind you? Maybe he felt like you were a jerk for blocking him? I'm sure the horn didn't help.
Had it been me, I'd have just added a little throttle and passed the guy before coming to the merge. I don't like riding beside autos. They have a habit of merging into motorcycles. Intentional, or not.
Size matters on the road. You know the old saying, "don't be dead right"...
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I even went out and got me a plastic Jesus
Magnetic Mary rides with me... :grin:
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I took my 1st good ride yesterday too AND had my 1st OH SHIT moment. :sad:
I was northbound on Mo 125 in an area with rolling hills, ahead of me I saw a dip!@#t top a hill on a zero turn mower with a dualie truck following with flashers on rolling south.
My better judgment kicked in and I let off the throttle and headed to the right hand side of the road. I topped the next hill and grandma was passing the truck and mower in her Aries K woody station wagon. Luckily, I was ready and going slow enough I could retreat to a driveway and miss granny and her woody wagon. No substitute for defensive driving. Trust me my finger was twitching, but my hand was better used staying on the grip while retreating to the chat driveway.
Be careful out there dudes. They're all out to kill us and thinking we have the right of way in any situation is just wrong.
JohnS in the Ozarks
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So, I'll guess the Sign said "Right Land Ends, Merge Left"? And you were going to hold your ground and force him to back off the throttle and merge behind you? Maybe he felt like you were a jerk for blocking him? I'm sure the horn didn't help.
Had it been me, I'd have just added a little throttle and passed the guy before coming to the merge. I don't like riding beside autos. They have a habit of merging into motorcycles. Intentional, or not.
Size matters on the road. You know the old saying, "don't be dead right"...
NEVER ride next to a truck, Stay out of the "NO ZONE"
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Having a company vehicle and a company that takes serious call ins seriously we are the exception. If your call went to a VM or anyone other than an officer of the company or the safety director it went nowhere.
Making eye contact, waiving at one another, beeping horns flashing lights all do and mean absolutely nothing. Staying alert and on your toes to be ready to make evasive maneuvers are the only things you can do. 2 against 4 or more always loses.
Flipping the bird, aggressively passing or any other aggressive behaviour doesn't do any good either. If you made it home w/o a scratch it was a good ride. Don't let one small segment of it spoil the rest.
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We all need to be extra careful and curtious this time a year. Whether riding, flying or anything else that takes muscle memory and good observation skills. We are rusty on both accounts and 4 wheel plus vehicles are not yet thinking about looking for riders after this long winter.
Control your own fate as much as you can.
GliderJohn
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Why the hell were you in that position anyway? If you plan to survive on the road with such a wide range of driving abilities out there , you need to predict and evade way earlier. I figure it this way, I don't want any interaction with other drivers, especially emotionally based. I don't react to perceived provocations, don't provoke and don't operate a bike like a car, I can get out of more tight spots with the throttle and early identification of potential trouble than I ever could with the brakes. That's my 2 cents.
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I always yield to superior mass, especially when it's a factor of 100 greater. The cagers will always win.
In fact, I attempt to look 500 feet and 5 seconds ahead and pre-yield in all potentially contentious situations.
Keeping the maximum distance possible from all other traffic at all times will keep the Doctor away.
'Geezer
"Don't argue with an 18-wheeler (just go faster)."
(https://www.dansher.com/LC2004/lcpix/D4_060_1295.jpg)
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As stated here repeatedly... dead right or dead wrong, you're still dead...
Ride defensive, having not been there when this happened, I can't say 100% what I'd do, but giving my bike a blip on the throttle and getting in front of the truck before the merge is likely to have been my first choice. Second being to tap the brakes and get behind it, again, before the merge.
Stay out of the no-zone!
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Maybe im a little different.. I like being around trucks in traffic... people always see trucks.. and there are a lot of hidey holes all around them because cars tend to stay away from them.. so in my world... come pull in front of me Mr truck... Ill just ride off to the side behind you so I can see..
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A few times this life I've been bikeless and only once due to theft. If you're at all like me, you'll be lured back, so why not sort it out now and keep going?
Like others have already said, essentially, little fish gotta watch out for the big fish. Use riding to practice extra sensory perception. Pay attention to those random thoughts coming in from 'nowhere' - sometimes they're from a deeper awareness.
And most definitely, treat everything like a chess game thinking five moves ahead. If a bad situation happens, take responsibility for it and ask yourself what could have been done differently. Add that new understanding to the arsenal of tricks for a better result next time.
It gets to be fun.
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So, I'll guess the Sign said "Right Land Ends, Merge Left"? And you were going to hold your ground and force him to back off the throttle and merge behind you? Maybe he felt like you were a jerk for blocking him? I'm sure the horn didn't help.
Had it been me, I'd have just added a little throttle and passed the guy before coming to the merge. I don't like riding beside autos. They have a habit of merging into motorcycles. Intentional, or not.
Size matters on the road. You know the old saying, "don't be dead right"...
Exactly! Riding defensively sometimes means riding aggressively. Now if I were just cruising and he was coming up on me from the right lane indicating that he wanted in front of me because he was in a hurry, then I would have slowed down and let him go be in his hurry.
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I appreciate the feedback. It's not my first time around the block. In hindsight, I could've handled the situation differently and put myself in better position. What I choose to do remains to be seen with my life long moto habit. Being 54 and having 3 young kids at home has changed my perspective. As my 5 year-old came out to watch me leave for work this morning and fist bumped me, I need to come home for them.
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That'll never change. Live and learn.
Best advise I ever heard was from a bunch of old timers when I was much too young to listen. They told me learn to understand what trouble looks like before it happens. Act accordingly after that. Enough said.
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Not condemning anyone else's choices of retaliation to a rude or careless driver but furthering a confrontation is not a good idea if one is on a motorcycle, you will lose the majority of the time. I usually choose to shake my head at the ignorance then thank my maker that I didn't get hurt.
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Yep. Happened to me on Friday, the first time I have been able to get out on one of my street bikes this season. We've got this annoying four-way stop down the road a few miles, with the North and South road offset with a jog. As it nearly always happens, a driver heading north approaches the intersection as I was stopped and waiting for two drivers to clear the jog. Well, she either didn't notice that I was stopped or didn't care, so rather than wait her turn she went ahead through the jog before I could really proceed, but I went anyway. Luckily, she stopped again and allowed me to proceed with a pretty stinky looking face and showing me the back of her hand. Oh, yes... I wanted to give her the finger, but I just waved and muttered what I thought of her to myself and went on unaffected.
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Couple of years back... similar situation, I was in the left lane, gravel truck in the right. See that the left lane ends up ahead, traffic backed up behind the truck, nothing in front of it... so I twist the throttle, get a couple car lengths ahead of the truck and merge right, with lots of room.
At the next stop truck pulled up behind me and the driver, late 50s, early 60s, jumped out and ran at me with a deadblow hammer in his hand. I hopped off the bike... and he sorta stopped in his tracks. Not sure if he came to his senses, or was hoping to hit me while I was unaware. As it was, it took a while to defuse the whole thing.
I got the whole screamed speech. "I ride, and guys like you give us a bad name" and on and on and on.
Some people are just assholes. Fact of life.
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once a famous online meme said: the one with most nuts wins.
This holds true to this day when I go ride/drive/walk...
As other mentioned, you may be in the right, but how much more right would you be if you are dead...
But I do agree with you, those kind of ignorant behavior takes away the simple pleasure of life...
I have a full high viz + extra brake lights, some people will STILL not see me by "looking" at me...
Just glad you are not hurt and able to live and tell the tale...
Ride Defensively and enjoy with a smile :)
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Some people are just assholes. Fact of life.
Well put, good sir!
That said, I think being on a bike, we are more aware of our surroundings because we have to be. Therefore, why are we surprised when cagers think we're reckless for doing something given that it is highly doubtful they have the clarity to see everything we are seeing right then.
Next point, modern cars keep getting harder and harder to see out of. When I started driving in the 80s, vehicles were designed to let you see your surroundings. Now, they have blind spots that are so large they have to include camera systems in them so you can see to park your car. And this is before you incorporate all the touch-screen driver-distraction devices...
Or I might be completely wrong... it has happened before.
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Best advise I ever heard was from a bunch of old timers when I was much too young to listen. They told me learn to understand what trouble looks like before it happens. Act accordingly after that.
Well said!
And yes, some people are just assholes. Using logic on them doesn't work, so don't try explaining.
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I'll admit it, one time I accidentally cut off a motorcycle while in my truck..
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Couple of years back... similar situation, I was in the left lane, gravel truck in the right. See that the left lane ends up ahead, traffic backed up behind the truck, nothing in front of it... so I twist the throttle, get a couple car lengths ahead of the truck and merge right, with lots of room.
At the next stop truck pulled up behind me and the driver, late 50s, early 60s, jumped out and ran at me with a deadblow hammer in his hand. I hopped off the bike... and he sorta stopped in his tracks. Not sure if he came to his senses, or was hoping to hit me while I was unaware. As it was, it took a while to defuse the whole thing.
I got the whole screamed speech. "I ride, and guys like you give us a bad name" and on and on and on.
Some people are just assholes. Fact of life.
The whole time I'd have been wondering to myself why is this truck driver bring a hammer to a gun fight?
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The whole time I'd have been wondering to myself why is this truck driver bring a hammer to a gun fight?
:grin: :grin: :grin:
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I lost a coworker/friend exactly 24 hours ago. Died at the scene, pronounced dead at the hospital. A vehicle turned left in front of him at a somewhat country road here in Ohio, he was wearing a helmet and all. We had just discussed insurance quotes and getting bikes ready for the season right before the weekend - He's Gone - Been trying to deal with it, didn't want to make a post about, but everyone please watch out. He was 43 old and a much loved guy by everyone at work and his family.
https://www.nbc4i.com/news/local-news/man-killed-in-motorcycle-crash-near-johnstown/1907795300
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Hi all, 4-08-19
The only thing I have to add (even though it has been said many times), is RIDE VISIBLY! I have "seen" too many black bikes with black leather, with black helmets and headlights that need a flashlight too see them. I respect individuality, even herd individuality, however, drivers are not expecting us to be there (especially when they are on the phone). Please be visible, be safe.
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I lost a coworker/friend exactly 24 hours ago. Died at the scene, pronounced dead at the hospital. A vehicle turned left in front of him at a somewhat country road here in Ohio, he was wearing a helmet and all. We had just discussed insurance quotes and getting bikes ready for the season right before the weekend - He's Gone - Been trying to deal with it, didn't want to make a post about, but everyone please watch out. He was 43 old and a much loved guy by everyone at work and his family.
https://www.nbc4i.com/news/local-news/man-killed-in-motorcycle-crash-near-johnstown/1907795300
Condolences .
Dusty
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Always ride like they're out to get you.
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Hi all, 4-08-19
The only thing I have to add (even though it has been said many times), is RIDE VISIBLY! I have "seen" too many black bikes with black leather, with black helmets and headlights that need a flashlight too see them. I respect individuality, even herd individuality, however, drivers are not expecting us to be there (especially when they are on the phone). Please be visible, be safe.
Ride like you are invisible and expect the unexpected. You can't assume someone sees you just because you have bright gear or bright lights. People pull in front of semi-trucks and fire engines.
You have to be proactive to survive. I was taught that riding is like being behind enemy lines. You have to be aware of everything around you. You have to keep out of the line of fire. You have to continually ask yourself why is that person doing what they are doing. You have to be like a chess player and be thinking many moves ahead.
This is why today I mostly ride on deserted country lanes.
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I lost a coworker/friend exactly 24 hours ago. Died at the scene, pronounced dead at the hospital. A vehicle turned left in front of him at a somewhat country road here in Ohio, he was wearing a helmet and all. We had just discussed insurance quotes and getting bikes ready for the season right before the weekend - He's Gone - Been trying to deal with it, didn't want to make a post about, but everyone please watch out. He was 43 old and a much loved guy by everyone at work and his family.
https://www.nbc4i.com/news/local-news/man-killed-in-motorcycle-crash-near-johnstown/1907795300
I'm so sorry for your loss. :cry:
I appreciate the feedback. It's not my first time around the block. In hindsight, I could've handled the situation differently and put myself in better position. What I choose to do remains to be seen with my life long moto habit. Being 54 and having 3 young kids at home has changed my perspective. As my 5 year-old came out to watch me leave for work this morning and fist bumped me, I need to come home for them.
I'm a fifty-two-year-old mama of 3, the youngest just turned 8, so I'm right with ya. I do a lot of thank you waves and thumbs up when drivers see me and adjust appropriately. I hope they remember the nice lady on the bike and do a repeat performance for the next rider they encounter.
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Couple of years back... similar situation, I was in the left lane, gravel truck in the right. See that the left lane ends up ahead, traffic backed up behind the truck, nothing in front of it... so I twist the throttle, get a couple car lengths ahead of the truck and merge right, with lots of room.
At the next stop truck pulled up behind me and the driver, late 50s, early 60s, jumped out and ran at me with a deadblow hammer in his hand. I hopped off the bike... and he sorta stopped in his tracks. Not sure if he came to his senses, or was hoping to hit me while I was unaware. As it was, it took a while to defuse the whole thing.
I got the whole screamed speech. "I ride, and guys like you give us a bad name" and on and on and on.
Some people are just assholes. Fact of life.
I've had that happen before.
The reaction from the truck driver, even if you didn't startle him, or make him put on the brakes, even if he didn't have to change his line or his speed or anything, was because ...
You BEAT him!!
YOU got there first. YOU were ahead of him. You WON! You have diminished him as a man, as if you'd insulted him in a bar in front of his woman.
People on the road will accept anything other than being BEAT in the Death Race 2000 competition that goes on all over the modern highways.
Once you recognize that, and back off just a tad so he can beat YOU and be a bigger and better man, and things calm down considerably ..... !
Lannis
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Groover: Sorry for the loss of your friend. We lost a club member some years ago the same way. I still think of Gary often when I ride. Older lady, sun at a low angle, she turned right into his path. No malice involved, just bad facts.
To the OP: Don't try that in Kentucky. Our genius of a Govner just signed a bill that lets any old idiot carry concealed without any training at all. That means a lot of morons will be packing thinking it's ok to shoot someone for pissing them off. The carry classes had good information about how limited the rights of self defense and protection of others are. Please ride safe out there. If you can't let things like that truck driver's attitude go, you should leave riding at least until the young ones are grown. Only you can decide.
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Always ride like they're out to get you.
Because they are. You are safer riding behind that butt breath than in front of him.
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I ride under the assumption that every car on the road is operated by a complete idiot. I am seldom disappointed.
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This couple flipped a driver off, then they got caught in a traffic jam.
the two dudes walked up to the car and opened their jackets to show their pistols, but didn't use them. Use that finger for typing or scratching your eye instead of flipping someone off. Finger verse a gun. You don't have to be good at math to figure this out.
Tex
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We have 330 million people in this country
Some of them are crazy
Be careful and Ride safe
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This couple flipped a driver off, then they got caught in a traffic jam.
the two dudes walked up to the car and opened their jackets to show their pistols, but didn't use them. Use that finger for typing or scratching your eye instead of flipping someone off. Finger verse a gun. You don't have to be good at math to figure this out.
Tex
Gotta be careful doing that. In NY that's called "brandishing" and is a crime in itself... not sure about everywhere else.
That said, I understand the sentiment, and kudos to the two guys for keeping cool heads. That's an important thing to do today, doubly so when you're packing. :thumb:
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We have 330 million people in this country
MILLIONS of them are crazy
Be careful and Ride safe
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Fixed that for you. :boozing:
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We have 330 million people in this country
Some of them are crazy
Be careful and Ride safe
:bike-037:
One out of ten are on the edge, ready to flip out and take someone with them. Don't let that be you.
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Gotta be careful doing that. In NY that's called "brandishing" and is a crime in itself... not sure about everywhere else.
That said, I understand the sentiment, and kudos to the two guys for keeping cool heads. That's an important thing to do today, doubly so when you're packing. :thumb:
I don't think so Rick.
Brandishing: wave or flourish (something, especially a weapon) as a threat or in anger or excitement.
He said the guys just opened their jackets. Definitely not Brandishing.
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I don't think so Rick.
He said the guys just opened their jackets. Definitely not Brandishing.
Depends on the local enforcement. In my State, the CCW laws had to be amended because a few CCW holders were charged with brandishing when their side arms were inadvertently revealed due to shirts or jackets opening or riding up to reveal them.
If opening a jacket to purposely reveal a sidearm with the intention to intimidate, a person would be at risk of being detained or arrested for "brandishing".
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This time of year they're not use to as many of us yet.
Some are simply a holes.
Notice skid marks & gouges after merge lanes on interstates? The merger didn't check to see if it was safe to merge & just merged into the right lane when something already there couldn't move left cause anorher vehicle was next to them.
Riding is through a gauntlet.
Do all the looking out & all the giving in.
Years ago Roger Hull ( founder of Road Rider mag now MCN) & other m/cling poobahs met in Lake of the Ozarks after the Hurt Report to discuss safe riding & why some riders have long riding careers & most other riders don't.
Their conclusion; long term riders seem to possess a 6th sense.
Just some random thoughts.
Ride safe.
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We had a truck pull out in front of us last weekend. We're doing 40 on a two lane road with another road crossing it at an angle. They have the stop sign. A pickup arrives from our right and stops at the sign. I could tell by the driver's head movement that he didn't register us. I slowed down enough to easily go around the back of his pickup.
What worries me most is that we ride 2up almost 100% of the time.
Be safe.
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My working life these days is in a truck.
It’s 28 metres long, has 34 wheels, two trailers and weighs 65 tons loaded...
Here’s one I prepared earlier..
(https://i.ibb.co/JHPvhmZ/976-E76-CE-1-EDF-468-A-ACD1-75485-D6-DF0-F7.png) (https://ibb.co/JHPvhmZ)
I am fearful of cutting off vehicles in underneath the passenger door on (my) left side, even a car can hide in there.
I think you were playing a foolish and dangerous game with the truck driver according to your description of events, just create a space between the two of you as you can easily do.
If I was in the truck, I would have been thinking.,
“How crazy and self absorbed is this tool on the bike...?”
I’m not saying you are either, but you wanted to play a game that you cannot possibly win, even though you are in the “right”.
I sometimes get a young child driving persistently on the back corner of my B Double combination, you only have to scratch an itch with one hand and the tiny flick of the steering wheel will give them a taste of the rear tri-axle...!
FFS..
Just pissoff ahead and give an alternate flick of your turn indicator/s if you want to play with him, he’ll do the same in response and WHEN he catches you at the next servo...?
He’ll more than likely come up and talk to you about HIS Guzzi, instead of enquiring about the state of your erect finger as displayed earlier... :embarrassed:
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My working life these days is in a truck.
It’s 28 metres long, has 34 wheels, two trailers and weighs 65 tons loaded...
Here’s one I prepared earlier..
(https://i.ibb.co/JHPvhmZ/976-E76-CE-1-EDF-468-A-ACD1-75485-D6-DF0-F7.png) (https://ibb.co/JHPvhmZ)
I am fearful of cutting off vehicles in underneath the passenger door on (my) left side, even a car can hide in there.
I think you were playing a foolish and dangerous game with the truck driver according to your description of events, just create a space between the two of you as you can easily do.
If I was in the truck, I would have been thinking.,
“How crazy and self absorbed is this tool on the bike...?”
I’m not saying you are either, but you wanted to play a game that you cannot possibly win, even though you are in the “right”.
I sometimes get a young child driving persistently on the back corner of my B Double combination, you only have to scratch an itch with one hand and the tiny flick of the steering wheel will give them a taste of the rear tri-axle...!
FFS..
Just pissoff ahead and give an alternate flick of your turn indicator/s if you want to play with him, he’ll do the same in response and WHEN he catches you at the next servo...?
He’ll more than likely come up and talk to you about HIS Guzzi, instead of enquiring about the state of your erect finger as displayed earlier... :embarrassed:
I understand the physics of the situation, this driver deliberately moved to cut me off. I got emotional, I admit that. I guess I'm just not as cool headed as everyone else. Was it a lesson for me? Yes it was, thank you for pointing out where I was wrong. Hopefully the driver also got a talking to by his company.
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I understand the physics of the situation, this driver deliberately moved to cut me off. I got emotional, I admit that. I guess I'm just not as cool headed as everyone else. Was it a lesson for me? Yes it was, thank you for pointing out where I was wrong. Hopefully the driver also got a talking to by his company.
I’ll admit that I recently moved over the centreline of the road a small but dangerous amount while grappling with a cappuccino.
A stupid, careless, thoughtless and “self absorbed” act on my part.
Just added to show that I’m not judging you as a person, only dissecting your actions on the day mate..
Although he moved to cut you off, he could not have cut you off if you weren’t there.
In a couple of weeks I’ll be in Paris on the Norge, I hope I’m as all knowing then as I am now or I’ll be the recipient of someone else’s hindsight as you are at present.
Glad you are ok above all else.. :kiss:
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Depends on the local enforcement. In my State, the CCW laws had to be amended because a few CCW holders were charged with brandishing when their side arms were inadvertently revealed due to shirts or jackets opening or riding up to reveal them.
If opening a jacket to purposely reveal a sidearm with the intention to intimidate, a person would be at risk of being detained or arrested for "brandishing".
Well then, someone needs to update the definition of brandishing because those situations are definitely NOT brandishing and a competent lawyer would win that argument in court.
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After 35 years on the road as a commercial truck driver (now retired ) I have been in many situations where I could have been in trouble if I let my emotions get the best of me. That being said I think all those miles in the truck has made me a much better driver on the bike or in my personal vehicle. One thing I learned is take a deep breath. Cooler heads prevail. It's just not worth it. Live to ride another day !!'
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Interesting how a thread started about something negative just goes on and on and on................. ....just funner than a barrel of monkeys :grin:
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I'm not a lawyer, nor do I play one on TV, but this is a partictularly nasty bit of legalese in NY State.
http://ypdcrime.com/penal.law/article120.htm?zoom_highlight=BRANDISHING#p120.13 (http://ypdcrime.com/penal.law/article120.htm?zoom_highlight=BRANDISHING#p120.13)
S 120.14 Menacing in the second degree.
A person is guilty of menacing in the second degree when:
1. He or she intentionally places or attempts to place another person
in reasonable fear of physical injury, serious physical injury or death
by displaying a deadly weapon, dangerous instrument or what appears to
be a pistol, revolver, rifle, shotgun, machine gun or other firearm; or
2. He or she repeatedly follows a person or engages in a course of
conduct or repeatedly commits acts over a period of time intentionally
placing or attempting to place another person in reasonable fear of
physical injury, serious physical injury or death; or
3. He or she commits the crime of menacing in the third degree in
violation of that part of a duly served order of protection, or such
order which the defendant has actual knowledge of because he or she was
present in court when such order was issued, pursuant to article eight
of the family court act, section 530.12 of the criminal procedure law,
or an order of protection issued by a court of competent jurisdiction in
another state, territorial or tribal jurisdiction, which directed the
respondent or defendant to stay away from the person or persons on whose
behalf the order was issued.
Menacing in the second degree is a class A misdemeanor.
You can be charged with brandishing if your CCW is exposed for any reason and that exposure scares some special snowflake. Back to my first post on this, had that happened in NY, those two gentlemen could have been arrested and would have very easily been convicted because they exited their vehicle, walked up to another vehicle, and purposely displayed the firearms they were carrying.
Having grown up in NY, I understand not all states have this stupid law, but there are many more that have them or are adopting ones like it. The NY law is written such that if you're an out of state person or are otherwise ignorant of this law, that is not an excuse and you can and will be charged for violating it. That is the point I was making, so please, be aware and don't give the system a reason to make you a criminal.
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I'm not a lawyer, nor do I play one on TV, but this is a partictularly nasty bit of legalese in NY State.
http://ypdcrime.com/penal.law/article120.htm?zoom_highlight=BRANDISHING#p120.13 (http://ypdcrime.com/penal.law/article120.htm?zoom_highlight=BRANDISHING#p120.13)
You can be charged with brandishing if your CCW is exposed for any reason and that exposure scares some special snowflake. Back to my first post on this, had that happened in NY, those two gentlemen could have been arrested and would have very easily been convicted because they exited their vehicle, walked up to another vehicle, and purposely displayed the firearms they were carrying.
Having grown up in NY, I understand not all states have this stupid law, but there are many more that have them or are adopting ones like it. The NY law is written such that if you're an out of state person or are otherwise ignorant of this law, that is not an excuse and you can and will be charged for violating it. That is the point I was making, so please, be aware and don't give the system a reason to make you a criminal.
Menacing and Brandishing are two different things, but I get your point. Hope the "victim" has to have witnesses or trumped up charges could easily be filed by a vengeful ex lover.
I followed a guy on/in a T-rex one time because I wanted to talk to him about it. Good thing it didn't occur in NY!
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Fellas , any chance we can not start down this road ? In other words , promoting weapons as the solution to this problem isn't productive . Do we understand ? Intelligence and situational awareness , along with exercising self control will keep you alive .
Dusty
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These two "gentlemen" more than likely according to the victims did not not have CCW.
Many years ago I was riding with a young lad in his pickup when he got all fired up when another driver did something stupid. I said, "you lost". You got worked up and he got off scott free. People use to say to me they did not know how I "fought" the traqffic in the big cities driving tanker hauling hazardous material. You aint gonna last all day by getting your panties in a wad. I knew where I was going, my radio worked and my a/c worked so I stayed cool. And alive.
tex
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Thanks, Tex , I've never seen you get wrapped around the axel.
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These two "gentlemen" more than likely according to the victims did not not have CCW.
Many years ago I was riding with a young lad in his pickup when he got all fired up when another driver did something stupid. I said, "you lost". You got worked up and he got off scott free. People use to say to me they did not know how I "fought" the traqffic in the big cities driving tanker hauling hazardous material. You aint gonna last all day by getting your panties in a wad. I knew where I was going, my radio worked and my a/c worked so I stayed cool. And alive.
tex
Well, in NY, your only option is concealed... again... laws vary.
As for not getting upset, you put it so beautifully right there. Clear, concise, and effective. Well put, Tex, that's something everyone can apply. :thumb:
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Depends on the local enforcement. In my State, the CCW laws had to be amended because a few CCW holders were charged with brandishing when their side arms were inadvertently revealed due to shirts or jackets opening or riding up to reveal them.
If opening a jacket to purposely reveal a sidearm with the intention to intimidate, a person would be at risk of being detained or arrested for "brandishing".
CT has concealed carry and open carry. If a citizen sees your piece, they can still call the cops if they feel "scared". Methinks you'd beat the rap, maybe not the ride...
Larry
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Hate to break the news , but dealing with bad aggressive drivers is part of the equation . Flipping a bad driver off accomplishes nothing , calling their boss might help , ymmv .
Dusty
I agree with Dusty. Don't sink to the Butt-Tards level. My 2 cents.