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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: OldMojo on April 17, 2019, 05:32:09 PM
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Got an email today that the MG preview truck will be at Cadre showing off the new lineup, including the V85.
Since it doesn't call it the "demo truck", I'm guessing no rides.
This is Wednesday and Thursday, the 24th and 25th. Hours aren't mentioned, so presumably shop hours, 9-6.
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Here is a link
https://mailchi.mp/0174a8317044/v85-tt-preview-days?fbclid=IwAR0IXJ2B88GlKmNhveQsHD_n-IeTzHc8ehulu6U4PGXjduHfmvGkCWl8yIk (https://mailchi.mp/0174a8317044/v85-tt-preview-days?fbclid=IwAR0IXJ2B88GlKmNhveQsHD_n-IeTzHc8ehulu6U4PGXjduHfmvGkCWl8yIk)
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How exciting! They've hit the states!
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they'll be at windy city triumph this weekend in St Charles Illinois. Having a heart procedure tomorrow so doubt I'll make it out there.
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they'll be at windy city triumph this weekend in St Charles Illinois. Having a heart procedure tomorrow so doubt I'll make it out there.
Well, Jim.. I wouldn't let a little thing like that keep me away.. :evil:
Seriously, all the best to you..
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I'm taking a a vacation day to hang out on the 24th, so say hi if you come by!
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Well, I was going to come by that day, but since you warned me that you would be there, it will have to be the other day. OK, just joking. Should be a fun time. How often do they introduce a truly new bike that isn't just another V7 clone?
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Having a heart procedure tomorrow so doubt I'll make it out there.
All the best Dude!!!! We'll be waiting for a report on your "tuneup"!
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Thumbs up Jimmy!
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Well crap,I am bringing my Norge over on the 23rd for some TLC,wasn't planning on staying overnight...
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Turned out the CT was a false alarm. Angio showed no new blockages. Trying to convince Cheryl to drive me out there but I'm not sure I can throw the leg over a bike. If you ever have the choice between an angio through the wrist instead of the leg take it. A lot less painful and less restrictions.
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So, the pipes are clean, eh? Good! Better cut back on pie, though, just to be safe... :grin:
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I’ll miss it by a day! :violent1:
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So, the pipes are clean, eh? Good! Better cut back on pie, though, just to be safe... :grin:
I keep trying to clean them out with good Bourbon
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they'll be at windy city triumph this weekend in St Charles Illinois. Having a heart procedure tomorrow so doubt I'll make it out there.
Is your heart a 2V or a 4V ?
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Is your heart a 2V or a 4V ?
Good question, the 2V Cali stole my heart, but the 4V Centauro races it.
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I keep trying to clean them out with good Bourbon
That seems like a good plan.. good for you! :thumb:
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So they got a few bikes on the show circuit. When are the dealers going to get stock to sell. They are sure dragging this out. Starting to wonder if they are creating predelivery hype because what they got isn't that great???? Like a bad movie. Lots of hype before its released because if it doesn't make money the opening weekend it never will because once word gets around how bad it is, no one else will go.
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Very often the US gets new models from European manufacturers dead last... because US prices are the lowest worldwide and because US consumer protection law is the most intolerant of flaws that can be fixed elsewhere at lower cost to Piaggio, and more cost to the buyer. Nothing good comes without issues :grin:
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I'd never heard of there being a "Preview Truck" before. I know they've sporadically done demo trucks at big national shows and events, but never at dealerships.
Of course, it's only been the last few years that there's been a dealer close enough to me for it to matter.
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According to the dealers who are showing the bikes, bikes should be on the floor in late May.
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I went to Windy City Triumph today and test rode the V85. I was told by the Guzzi rep that the two he had on display were pre-production models, and that there is only three in the U.S. at this time. Both were the yellow-white-red paint scheme, one with luggage and the other without. Only the one without luggage was available for a test ride.
Even though it was a typically busy Saturday, no one was looking at Guzzi's :sad: The rep didn't seem to care how long I took the bike out for, so away I went on an unaccompanied ride through the back roads of Kane and DeKalb counties. I know the roads there quite well and there are some decent ones considering it is northern Illinois. The bike has a very solid, planted feel to it and was very easy to ride in the twisties. Plenty of get up and go with a light clutch pull and smooth gear box. I kept the rpm's up and lemme tell ya, this bike will rip pretty good. I kept it in "road" mode the entire time. The seat? Very comfy for me. It felt like a seat that I could put some serious time on, and I found the leg room to be plentiful with excellent overall ergonomics for my 5' 9" frame with 29" inseam.
It goes good, stops good, and handles good. I see it as a solo mount and maybe not so much for two up riding. But that's just me. I didn't care for the TFT display because it was hard for me to see the rev counter as well as I would have liked, and it just looks like something that is gonna screw up sooner or later. I like old fashion gauges! Also when I would blip the throttle to raise engine revs for a seamless downshift, the revs would not rise quickly. In fact it was reluctant to do so and would stumble a bit. The same when pulling away from a standstill, though not as bad. Maybe this bike was not set up properly. Dunno. But all in all a very nice motorcycle.
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Wow that’s really cool from what I read I had no idea they were going to allow test rides! I was in Windy city couple weeks back and they had about 11 Guzzi on the floor. I wish they were a little more prominently displayed, And I don’t understand why Guzzi doesn’t have them carry some swag they’ve got tons of Triumph swag but not a drop of Guzzi.
Sliphorn, do you ever make the Guzzi breakfast in DeKalb?
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Wow that’s really cool from what I read I had no idea they were going to allow test rides! I was in Windy city couple weeks back and they had about 11 Guzzi on the floor. I wish they were a little more prominently displayed, And I don’t understand why Guzzi doesn’t have them carry some swag they’ve got tons of Triumph swag but not a drop of Guzzi.
Sliphorn, do you ever make the Guzzi breakfast in DeKalb?
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I am not a Guzzi owner and have only ridden them on various test rides over the years, so no, I have never been to the Guzzi breakfast in DeKalb. I've been threatening myself for years that someday I'll buy a Guzzi. But so far....meh. After test riding a variety of them over the years they just don't tug at my heartstrings in the way that a lot of other bikes do. Though to be honest, this V85 was very nice even with the minor throttle glitch. I suspect the glitch is not present in the production models because I have not heard it mentioned in the many ride reviews of the past month or so.
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I haven’t read to many bad things about this bike from those who have actually taken it for a test ride. I said I will never buy a new bike again, but if they put the V85 motor in this bike with the high pipes I might have to sell a few guns out of my collection and get one.
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No need to ride a GUZZI to come to the breakfast. Lots of bmw, triumph and every other brand x. Come on by, you’ll be happy you did.
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Rode up to Cadre Cycle today on the Norge to check out the V85TT; the Moto Guzzi New Model Preview truck brought 3 of the bikes to the dealership in Cincinnati. Didn't expect to get to ride one, but the person in charge urged me to do so. The ride included me and one other rider following a leader; lasted 15-20 minutes and covered a variety of roads, some with a few tight turns.
Verdict: excellent fit-and-finish, wonderful motor with plenty of torque throughout the RPM range, no bad vibes, was surprised at how readily it accelerated. Suspension quite supple, handles turns like a champ. Comfortable riding position. Price: quoted as $11,999 for street model, $12,999 for adventure model (includes utilitarian side-cases and trunk, plus a few other items to aid off-road experience).
I was very impressed. One down side for me: seat height is what you would expect for an adventure bike; I was on my tip-toes; shouldn't be a problem for the majority of riders. If they came out with a modified version with a center stand, heated grips, tubeless tires, and better wind protection, I would buy one today.
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Jon
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What did you think of the 'smart phone' instrumentation? That the only thing I dislike about it...
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Sweet! Thank's for sharing , can't wait to get a spin on one .
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Nice review, thanks.
A V85 center stand will undoubtedly be available soon, either as an option or aftermarket; Heated grips are a readily-available aftermarket mod, easy to fit, lots of choice; spoked rims can be made tubeless without any exotic procedures - many examples and threads on WildGuzzi already; I have read that a taller windscreen, with better wind protection, is already a V85 option.
It seems like a great bike that, with a little work, can meet all of your requirements. What can hold you back?
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Is there more you can tell us Blackbuell ?
Did you see a red/white one. Does it sound ok like on screen.
Any more info ?
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Thank you for your feedback.
After the test ride , you hop back on your Norge..
What was your first thought?
Would you sell the Norge to buy a V85 ?
Thank you
( I don’t know why I wrote Stelvio instead of Norge....but I fixed it )
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Come on you tease..
I’m propped up in bed and the wine is poured.. :kiss: :kiss: :kiss: :wink:
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Diploman: true, a taller screen is already available, and, no doubt, a center stand will soon become an option. I would still need to do something about the seat height. At my age (70), and size (5'7"". 150 pounds), I need to get my feet better planted when carrying a full load of gear for cross-country trips and/or with wife on the back. If that issue can be easily solved, then I might go ahead and purchase one.
Huzo: they had two with the paint scheme shown in my pic, one with full luggage and the other without. They also had a "street model" in grey; actually a nice color; it had no luggage and more street-friendly tires.
The dash is high-tech; would certainly take some getting used to; does have a gear indicator.
The bike IS very light, and underway feels even lighter. Shifting was smoother than what I have experienced with any of the three Guzzi's that I have owned. Cable-activated clutch pull is very light. Excellent brakes.
Jon
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Did you get the ABS (rear) to activate ?
How was it ?
And the sound Blackbuell ?
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Dang it !!!!! I just rode the Norge out to Columbus today to help with the inspection for my son's new house - just got home. Now I see the truck got there early and I was only 60mi away. I would have diverted to Cinn to see what mine will actually be like when it comes in. The one day I didn't look at the site. :violent1:
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Dang it !!!!! I just rode the Norge out to Columbus today to help with the inspection for my son's new house - just got home. Now I see the truck got there early and I was only 60mi away. I would have diverted to Cinn to see what mine will actually be like when it comes in. The one day I didn't look at the site. :violent1:
Life’s still damn good mate..
You’ve got a Norge.....
(For now.. :wink:)
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One question: "What is your inseam?!?" I would want to have BOTH feet flat on the ground.... :thumb: :smiley: :wink:
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My understanding is the seat has 3 height adjustments.
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I also read, somewhere among the multiple V85 test rides, that Guzzi offers an optional V85 seat that is lower than the standard seat. Ask the dealer or call Guzzi USA.
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Diploman: ...no doubt, a center stand will soon become an option... \
Indeed it already is. https://www.af1racing.com/store/Scripts/prodView.asp?idproduct=96731&sku=2S001322&description=OEM+Moto+Guzzi+Center+Stand+Kit+-+2S001322 (https://www.af1racing.com/store/Scripts/prodView.asp?idproduct=96731&sku=2S001322&description=OEM+Moto+Guzzi+Center+Stand+Kit+-+2S001322)
AF1 seems to have the entire array of accessories on their site. https://www.af1racing.com/store/Scripts/prodList.asp?idCategory=3299 (https://www.af1racing.com/store/Scripts/prodList.asp?idCategory=3299)
I also read, somewhere among the multiple V85 test rides, that Guzzi offers an optional V85 seat that is lower than the standard seat. Ask the dealer or call Guzzi USA.
Here are the seats, they even offer a tall size! https://www.af1racing.com/store/Scripts/prodList.asp?idCategory=3307&description=V85+Saddles+%26+Mirrors (https://www.af1racing.com/store/Scripts/prodList.asp?idCategory=3307&description=V85+Saddles+%26+Mirrors)
The prices for most of the parts don't seem too outrageous, at first glance.
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I tried it as well. The total package of strengths this machine has is almost overwhelming. The TFT screen would take some getting used to, but the colors were bright. There was a tach, but cooler were a set of amber turning red bars at the top of the screen area. It lets you know when you have to shift and it comes up surprisingly fast and often on this bike. On the other hand, shifting at 3,000 as I do on my 1400 was totally doable and did not stress the bike at all. The engine seemed very flexible. I test rode a stelvio several years ago and this reminded me of it somewhat except much lighter with everything feeling much more refined. I did not notice any intrusive vibrations at any range I rode in. The small wind screen was far better than expected. My inseam is 29 inches and I was on the balls of my feet. I could do it and with a few miles and some items in the bags, it would probably settle a little lower and I don't know what the preload was set for.
Summary: This bike is so well sorted, it is hard to believe it is an MG. It is like the designers invested so much thought and care that they made this for themsleves to ride. Bravisimo Moto Guzzi.
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I sat on one at COTA. It felt a little to tall and wide as a sport tourer. Probably right on for an "adventure bike".
Both the guys that have ridden said "it ripped." One was Don with Guzzi store here in OKC.
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If I could afford it, I'd buy one, but here in Oz it's going to be at least $21,000AUD ($14,800USD). If we could get it for the price you pay $12,000USD ($17,000AUD) it would sell well. I can't believe it costs another $4000AUD ($2800) to transport it to Oz. Someone is making a killing.
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If I could afford it, I'd buy one, but here in Oz it's going to be at least $21,000AUD ($14,800USD). If we could get it for the price you pay $12,000USD ($17,000AUD) it would sell well. I can't believe it costs another $4000AUD ($2800) to transport it to Oz. Someone is making a killing.
I'm buying one as soon as it arrives. The price has been confirmed at NZ$21,000. Now I know that our dollars are getting close, but I think you're getting more screwed than me. :violent1:
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The regulars who make aftermarket stuff start also, luggage options from Hepco&Becker, you can use the old H&B cases. Givi is also coming with stuff. Silencers from Agostini, Quat-D & Zard.
It will need some time before they all have things on offer.
I don't see a reason for another silencer. The stock is quiet, but when opening the throttle, a nice low hum comes out of the intake and silencer.
Centerstand is on optionlist, higher screen too, but not to tall. I suppose there will be aftermarket offerings too in time.
But hanging tons of stuff on the thing will kill it's lightness.
I liked it very much, but miss the Stelvio's bottom torque. So for now the Stelvio stays.
Further, the v85 is very economic with fuel. The injection feels very well made.
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QUOTE: My inseam is 29 inches and I was on the balls of my feet. I could do it and with a few miles and some items in the bags, it would probably settle a little lower and I don't know what the preload was set for.
Thanks, blu guzz! :thumb:
Again, if I did not have my '98 Centauro GT, I would seriously consider one of these...("Sigh") :cool:
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I rode this exact same bike last week at Windy City Triumph. You can read my comments in the thread "V85 at Cadre Cycle next week, Cincinnati". You guys didn't mention the throttle hesitation/stumble when blipping for a down shift or its lack of immediacy upon take off from a standstill. Minor, but it was there. These are pre-production models but the many reviews of production models that came out of the Sardinia press launch make no mention of it so I'm going to assume it has been fixed.
I could do without the TFT display, otherwise an excellent motorcycle. I have a 29" inseam and I had no problem at a stop.
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Very encouraging.
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Plenty of room for the family! :grin:
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I rode one in UK 4 weeks ago and I've copied my immediate impressions below. After the test ride I went home, gave it some consideration and thought, bollocks, I'm having one.
Still waiting to take delivery - it's scheduled for Mid May, but let's see. I ordered a plain red one with panniers and centre stand. I was going to order the high screen but they wanted £175 for it and I thought it likely that there would quickly be aftermarket screens available which would certainly be cheaper and probably more effective. Here's hoping it does turn up in May and not end of September....
Following Barry's heads up I called On Yer Bike (near Aylesbury) yesterday and they were just unpacking their demo V85 TT. It was available to test ride so I went over this morning and had a go.
It was interesting to compare with my Triumph Tiger 800 which I rode over on. I have a very high regard for the Tiger 800 as it really suits me, so I was ready to be unimpressed by the V85.
It had 6 miles on the clock when I set off, so mindful of this I didn't go above 75 mph (4,500 rpm). My impressions after a brief (25 mile) ride:
- The quality of everything looked really top notch.
- Handling was really great, but ride quality also very good.
- Riding position was really excellent and super comfortable. I'm 5'102 and could get both feet flat on the ground so the seat height is slightly lower than the Tiger (and much lower than a GS).
- Engine was very smooth and had no issues with jerky throttle around town which seems to be the bane of modern, lean tuned engines. It pulled cleanly from 2k rpm in high gears. It did seem a bit lacking in oomph at the bottom end but once the engine was spinning the mid range was good. I think that even when run-in it would be way behind the Triumph in power output, but probably has just enough.
- Gearbox was a bit clunky in the low gears, but way better than a BMW GS.
- Screen was pretty useless, but this was the "Ronald McDonald" multi-coloured model. The plain coloured bikes have a higher screen and better road tyres.
- Panniers were ok, but looked smaller than the Triumph.
- Instrument display was great. Just hope it's waterproof.
Overall I really liked it. I thought it was lacking the real Guzzi character you get from the old big block heavy flywheel motors, but it's definitely recognisable a proper Guzzi. I think it could be a winner.
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This just in: the Moto Guzzi Demo truck...with V85s on board...is scheduled to land at Hamlin Cycles in Bethel, CT on Wednesday, June 12 and Thursday, June 13. Watch the Hamlin website for more details!
Steven Rossi
CT-RI MGNOC State Rep.
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Plenty of room for the family! :grin:
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A nice shot, but I would have put the little one in the other pannier.
I dropped my Norge in the grass in Spain once by taking the loaded left pannier off before the right, and the bike went arse up over the “high side..”
Would not end well for the child.
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Has anyone seen a Red/White one yet ?
Also have the engine protection bars seen the light of day ?
What are the comments regarding the integrity of the pannier and top box mounts ?
Glawster, will you let us know when you get yours ? I will be in London next week on my Norge, and if yours arrives in the next couple of weeks, I’d like to come over and have a look.
Cheltenham you say ?
Crackin’...!
(Corble Farm not too shabby either...
Comes up nice on the ‘net
:wink: :thumb:)
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My understanding is the seat has 3 height adjustments.
Yeah, between something like 32-in and 33-in.
It's going to be a typically tall bike that attracts lots of short guys!!! LOL!!! :grin:
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Has anyone seen a Red/White one yet ?
Also have the engine protection bars seen the light of day ?
What are the comments regarding the integrity of the pannier and top box mounts ?
Glawster, will you let us know when you get yours ? I will be in London next week on my Norge, and if yours arrives in the next couple of weeks, I’d like to come over and have a look.
Cheltenham you say ?
Crackin’...!
(Corble Farm not too shabby either...
Comes up nice on the ‘net
:wink: :thumb:)
Huzo, I read about your fantastic trip. Do call me if you're touring by Cheltenham. Even if I don't have the V85, there's other interesting stuff you can look over.
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I saw these on Facebook, for Huzo's viewing pleasure.
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Huzo, I read about your fantastic trip. Do call me if you're touring by Cheltenham. Even if I don't have the V85, there's other interesting stuff you can look over.
(https://live.staticflickr.com/4857/47413560951_3ba38a04e7_k.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2feLTNP)DSC_0910 (https://flic.kr/p/2feLTNP) by Derek Wardell (https://www.flickr.com/photos/154993838@N08/), on Flickr
Thanks mate.
I will if I get the chance and can’t imagine why not.
Is that green V7 the one Paul Harris at Corsa restored ?
Also I had a ride on a Falcone of his that looked like that red one
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I saw these on Facebook, for Huzo's viewing pleasure.
Thankyou..
I don’t think I’m the only one who’s a fan, but they are my favourite.
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Can anyone confirm the existence of an auxiliary plug designated for a GPS? Tom Tom or otherwise.
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A friend and I drove down to Cadre yesterday to check out the V85. We decided to drive since there was rain on and off all day. (5 hours each direction.)
Neither of us took one for a ride but we did check them out pretty well. I can't say much that has not already been said. The guy hauling these around is a contractor but said these were all pre-production bikes. The only thing I noticed was a weld on one bag bracket. Otherwise, I could find nothing that jumped out. The non adventure model also had hand guards and a metal skid plate to protect things down low. That was the gray bike, and I must say, it looks very good in person. The other two were the yellow/white combo. One with bags and the other without bags.
I noticed the mount for the windshield has slots on the back bolts that will allow you to play with the angle a little. According to Enzo, most of the accessories are very reasonable in price. (100 bucks for a center stand, for example.) The bigger windshield is the larger ticket item according to him at 250 bucks. None were equipped with a bigger shield.
The seat is not adjustable for height. There are other seats available to vary the height, but unlike the Stelvio, it fits one way only. The microsuede seat is comfortable but it keeps you in place maybe more than some would like.
Although the seating area is comfortable, you aren't able to move around much. Those with bad knees or hips will want to devise another place to move your feet to if you plan on long days in the saddle.
The adventure models did not have engine guards so I assume they will be an add on. Again, Enzo noted they are very reasonable in price. I'm guessing they would provide a place for some other pegs for the folks that need to stretch their legs from time to time.
The bags are very nice with what appears to be good seals on the lids. The bags can be unlocked off the mounts are easily removed. The left pannier is cut out for the muffler but is still pretty spacious. The latches are very robust. Combined, they give you lots of space for your stuff.
I like it a lot!
John Henry
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After 10 months of obsessing over this bike online I made the drive down to" Enzo's Place" on Wednesday not knowing if test rides would be available, but was prepared with all my gear stowed in the trunk. I was sitting on the one with bags ready to take a test ride within 15 minutes of arriving. Mind blown. After moving literally 5 feet I flipped my visor up and told Dan (the guy responsible for getting them there) "I want one", and then proceeded out of the lot for the test. I thought I might try a novel approach to express my appraisal and hopes for this bike. I want this bike to be a culmination of my two wheel experience from past and current bikes.
1. 1991 Ducati 900 SS: (purchased first year/white wheels & frame) My introduction to Italian V Twin magic. Sound, torque, artistic expression on 2 wheels
that only Italians know how to do. Sold after 12 years.
2. 1991 Honda ST 1100: purchased first year. My introduction to shaft drive/longitudinal 90 degree engine configuration (or transverse if you are more
comfortable with that), Swiss watch perfection for long haul touring. Sold after 20 years.
3. 1999 Suzuki DR 350 SE: Last year of production. My introduction to what is now called Adventure Riding and a new world of what is possible on two wheels.
This is my COBDR bike, my I've got 15 minutes to clear my head bike. Still in the stable, why would anyone ever sell one of these?
4. 2002 VStrom: purchased first year production. Now, starting to combine attributes of the 1,2,3. V twin, comfort, long haul capability, 19" front wheel, mild
off road experience. Not the prettiest of bikes, but what a capable, all around pleasurable motorcycle to saddle up and go. Always put a grin on my face.
Sold last year to a close friend who has nothing but praise for his new to him ride.
5. 2008 Kawasaki 650 Versys: First year. This bike is one of the most fun motorcycles I have ever swung a leg over. The magic for me is how light steering
and flickable this machine is. Eager parallel twin that you can change your line 3 times in a corner if you want or need to. This is currently my other bike.
V 85 TT: Italian V Twin, air cooled, shaft drive, 850 cc perfect size (not large & heavy/not small and strained), spoked wheels with 19" front, combination of 60" WB with spot on suspension for road and offroad, test ride proven light and nimble steering (an absolute priority), Brembo brakes, and I think a competitive price point with luggage. This bike is the love child of all of my favorite past and current bikes. It is truly what I have been waiting for in the Adventure Bike world. Tested it. Bought it. As my past experience shows, not afraid to purchase a first year production motorcycle. Red & white. And, and, I am buying it from a gentleman by the name of Enzo. I would say all the boxes are well and truly checked.
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Here's Darren riding it. I put a quarter in the slot and Darren was making "Brrrmm Brrmmmm" noises.
He's easily amused.
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Well said tommy2cyl. :thumb:
You qualified your assessment with background for comparison. My hats off to you.
John Henry
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Welcome Tommy. Did Enzo say how many he was getting? This bike sounds like a huge success.
Tony
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I think he is getting 6 in the first shipment which is to be available late May/early June. Then a second shipment of 6 for July. Then I think 2 more for September. Supposedly there will be also a demo bike available with the first shipment. Enzo didn't have confirmation yet as to when the first batch would positively be here. These bikes will all be titled 2020 models which is a nice little win situation.
FYI when I spoke with him and purchased :wink:on Wednesday, he had sold three to people on his list who committed without a test ride.
I was bike number four, and he had one other guy who rode before me and was going to sleep on it over night and make his decision.
I am guessing he didn't get a good night's sleep. I on the other hand am now sleeping better than I have in months.
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4 of 14 sold already, not bad.
T4
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Huzo, I read about your fantastic trip. Do call me if you're touring by Cheltenham. Even if I don't have the V85, there's other interesting stuff you can look over.
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V7..
Ex Corsa Italiana ?
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as i said earlier, i too loved the bike. if i was 55 and not 60, i would be all over it. i just prefer to flat foot now. loved the suspension so much i was looking for cracks and bumps in the road to hit just to feel it work.
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Can anyone confirm the existence of an auxiliary plug designated for a GPS? Tom Tom or otherwise.
Anyone?
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Can anyone confirm the existence of an auxiliary plug designated for a GPS? Tom Tom or otherwise.
Erm... there's a USB outlet on the dash. Is that what you mean? Otter-fois you could always install a covered weatherproof 12v outlet on the other side. A BMW type female socket hardwired & inline (positive) fused direct from the battery would provide a reasonably clean high current without interfering with the bike's electronics
Guzzi currently use an accessory Apple & Android McTelephone interface to provide "in-dash" arrow-type GPS directional legend display in coordination with the telephone's onboard locator & bluetooth helmet/telephone interface/s. There's some fancy name for it, but I'm lead to believe its in common with other Piaggio group products too, so it's apparently not just some unreliable flash-in-the-pan jim-crack bodge-job. Using bluetooth, your McTelephone need only be nearby - well protected within water, weather & impact proof padding for instance - to take calls & recommend directions as required. The bike, telephone & helmet all interface through the same standard bluetooth electromagnetic radiation protocol.
Is that what you're after? I don't think there's any onboard GPS capability, TomTom or otherwise, either st'd of as an accessory, as apparently technology has moved on from proprietory GPS unit integration.
I suppose you could always attach just about any GPS you want to the handlebars with 100mph tape or bracketry if you want, but it will of course be subject to all the vagaries of weather, heat, cold, glare etc. & possibly be either less or more effective than what Guzzi currently offers.
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Mine’s got a new Tom Tom 550 with Touratech mount.
Well..
Got the hardware, waiting on the bike.. :rolleyes:
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As I mentioned in another thread, I am the proud owner of a brand new V85 TT.
I've been riding Guzzi for over 20 years now, but - 3 years ago - I bought me a Bmw f700Gs because I longed for a lighter and more nimble bike after my Norge and touching mid 60. Guzzi had none.
Now they do, and I bought me one.
What can I say?
I planned to write some striking ride reports and all that jazz, but after careful consideration, f....it.
Ride the bleeding thing and decide for yourself.
Want more HP? Buy a Jap
Want tubeless: buy anything
Want a decent cup of coffee? Buy a Gold Wing or go to a restaurant
Want to telephone, play a game or listen to the radio? Go sit behind your desk (or get the extra app for your V 85 - Christ ??!! )
Was I afraid of buying a brand new Guzzi after 20+ years of riding the bleeding thing and all the fuss that came along?
Now, I was not.
2 years of warranty and road assistance, with possible extension each year. (Important inEurope !!)
An excellent dealer. (Don't know about the rest of the world)
And a really, really great looking and riding bike.
Believe all the positive reviews you read; they ARE true. This thing runs, sounds, sits and handles great!
I could not care less about HP, it runs faster than I can handle.
To be honest, at first, I could not believe this was actually a MG ;-)
My dealer said the same, and ordered me to shut up ;-)
So, I repeat myself: ride it and decide for yourself. You don't like it? Keep your present rig or buy something else.....
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I still have my Garmin 390LM that I would like to mount on the V85. Had it on my V7, and wired it to the dedicated GPS plug (cut off Tom Tom plug).
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As I mentioned in another thread, I am the proud owner of a brand new V85 TT.
I've been riding Guzzi for over 20 years now, but - 3 years ago - I bought me a Bmw f700Gs because I longed for a lighter and more nimble bike after my Norge and touching mid 60. Guzzi had none.
Now they do, and I bought me one.
What can I say?
I planned to write some striking ride reports and all that jazz, but after careful consideration, f....it.
Ride the bleeding thing and decide for yourself.
Want more HP? Buy a Jap
Want tubeless: buy anything
Want a decent cup of coffee? Buy a Gold Wing or go to a restaurant
Want to telephone, play a game or listen to the radio? Go sit behind your desk (or get the extra app for your V 85 - Christ ??!! )
Was I afraid of buying a brand new Guzzi after 20+ years of riding the bleeding thing and all the fuss that came along?
Now, I was not.
2 years of warranty and road assistance, with possible extension each year. (Important inEurope !!)
An excellent dealer. (Don't know about the rest of the world)
And a really, really great looking and riding bike.
Believe all the positive reviews you read; they ARE true. This thing runs, sounds, sits and handles great!
I could not care less about HP, it runs faster than I can handle.
To be honest, at first, I could not believe this was actually a MG ;-)
My dealer said the same, and ordered me to shut up ;-)
So, I repeat myself: ride it and decide for yourself. You don't like it? Keep your present rig or buy something else.....
very well said[/b]
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Frans
Loved your commentary- but shouldn’t you be out riding?
Enjoy the bike and it sounds like you will...
Mark
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V7..
Ex Corsa Italiana ?
Love it Huzo!
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Love it Huzo!
Are we talking about the same bike..?
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No, mine didn't come from Corsa Italiana
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No, mine didn't come from Corsa Italiana
Ok.
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I’m in Harwich, Glawster and heading in to London today.
I can come to see you in Cheltenham if you’re around, or catch up somewhere ?
Or here ?
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Huzo,
You're welcome. I'm working from home. Send me a pm if you want my address.
Or why not go and have a go on the On Yer Bike V85 Demonstrator? Just give them a call and I'm sure they'll let you have a spin.
On Yer Bike Ltd
A41 Bicester Road, Westcott, Aylesbury HP18 0JX
01296 655999
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Huzo,
You're welcome. I'm working from home. Send me a pm if you want my address.
Or why not go and have a go on the On Yer Bike V85 Demonstrator? Just give them a call and I'm sure they'll let you have a spin.
On Yer Bike Ltd
A41 Bicester Road, Westcott, Aylesbury HP18 0JX
01296 655999
Saw the bike and love it mate.
I had a go to find you but no luck..
PM sent
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:cool: https://magazine.cyclenews.com/i/1111003-cycle-news-2019-issue-17-april-30/0?m4= :boozing:
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The V85 has really grown on me. I might have to get one this year!
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Demo Test Rides are scheduled in Portland, OR for May 10th and 11th.
Am I correct in assuming that the V85tt does not use a keyless ignition? If not, it still probably has a proximity chip in the key.
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If anybody is qualified to write about motorcycles it's Sir Alan.
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https://riders.drivemag.com/author/alan-cathcart
The above to authenticate same. Good stuff always. R3~
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Never read such enthusiastic and positive review/comments on a Guzzi, ever...ever...ever. ..
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Just found out I could do essentially an even trade for my 2014 Harley Limited.....
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Demo Test Rides are scheduled in Portland, OR for May 10th and 11th.
Am I correct in assuming that the V85tt does not use a keyless ignition? If not, it still probably has a proximity chip in the key.
You stick a key in a slot and turn. (Like normal.)
I don't know if the key is chipped but I'll bet it is.
John Henry
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If anybody is qualified to write about motorcycles it's Sir Alan.
Agree, and really.... you cant call that anything less then glowing..
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Looks like Mistral will have a slip-on muffler available soon.
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A preview of the new conical stainless steel exhaust specifically developed for the new Moto Guzzi V85TT.
The test bench response was excellent, the increase in power and torque is present at all RPM, especially at mid/low range!
Of course we also thought about SOUND, the voice of this new Guzzi engine is incredible!
It will be available soon in the homologated version, we are waiting for the bureaucratic completion by the Italian Ministry.
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Looks like Mistral will have a slip-on muffler available soon.
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Of course we also thought about SOUND, the voice of this new Guzzi engine is incredible!
What’s the Italian translation for “sound” ?
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I hope that computer screen isn’t reading 47hp?
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I hope that computer screen isn’t reading 47hp?
Why not? It's only at quarter throttle! :evil:
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Why not? It's only at quarter throttle! :evil:
Yeah but hopefully not the last quarter..
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Yeah but hopefully not the last quarter..
Want power beside looks?? Picky, picky :grin:
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Want power beside looks?? Picky, picky :grin:
We’ll discuss it over coffee together in a couple of weeks Franz.
What date do you envisage being home again ?
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QD Exhaust
https://www.qdexhaust.it/en/catalogue-qd-exhaust/moto-guzzi-en/moto-guzzi-v-85tt-slip-on-titanio-tronco-cono/
https://www.qdexhaust.it/en/catalogue-qd-exhaust/moto-guzzi-en/moto-guzzi-v-85tt-decatalizzatore/
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We’ll discuss it over coffee together in a couple of weeks Franz.
What date do you envisage being home again ?
Back home >16th May
And then off for Normandy > 29th May
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We’ll discuss it over coffee together in a couple of weeks Franz.
What date do you envisage being home again ?
Over COFFEE? In BELGIUM ???? The capital of beer ?
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Back home >16th May
And then off for Normandy > 29th May
When are you home from Normandy ? I can be there towards the end, say around 23 rd June.
Or I can come through Belgium. If you follow the thread, we can work together for a result, a bit like Mick (Peacemealadventurer) and I did, in 2017.
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Well it is now official after many months of limbo. My V85TT deposit was put through Matthews Cycle in Charlotte when All Seasons in Wooster, OH was bought out. I have been in constant contact with Tee who was the sales manager at Matthews and now working at the new dealer. I could not say anything because the new dealer in place of Matthews has been in negotiations with Piaggio for a Guzzi dealership. Just this week they received their official Guzzi dealer number. We now have "another" dealer in the USA. By the end of next week I hope to have an ETA on my bike. Good news all around. :thumb:
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Over COFFEE? In BELGIUM ???? The capital of beer ?
Please take the time to enjoy some excellent Trappiste beer, like perhaps a good Blue or Red Chimay! Coffee you can get anywhere, let me see...hhmm, maybe Italy??
:)
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When are you home from Normandy ? I can be there towards the end, say around 23 rd June.
Or I can come through Belgium. If you follow the thread, we can work together for a result, a bit like Mick (Peacemel adventurer) and I did, in 2017.
Back 2nd of June.
23th of june we have a ride across the border ( Holland ) with our local small group, most of which ride Guzzi.
I'm sure nobody would oppose if you'd join in.
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Spirit Motorcycles in San Jose, CA has the V85tt bikes around today & tomorrow (5/3 & 5/4). Seems it was a bit last minute.
I went over this morning for a test ride.
For me, I currently have a V7 iii Racer and a Griso. I also have a BMW F800GT and KTM 990 SMT. And on the East Coast I have a V-Strom 650 for when I visit my relatives out there.
I'm just not clicking with the F800GT. That is supposed to be my multi day trip bike, but I don't find it that comfortable and the motor just sounds terrible between 4500-6500 rpms. So I will sell this one.
The KTM 990 SMT is a ton of fun to ride ... but it is also demanding ... like it requires a lot of attention ... it works best when you get on the throttle and get on the brakes, repeat over and over. Just trying to go on a casual ride is difficult. So it is exciting to ride, but I don't find it that great for multi day trips ... maybe I just need to drink more coffee. :laugh:
So the V85tt ... I found the suspension to be wonderful! Surprisingly good, well, great, almost excellent. The front brake is excellent, very strong, but not too crazy. Clutch pull is surprisingly light. Shifting is very nice, much better than my two other MGs, not as slick as the V-Strom. I really liked the power characteristics. Revs quickly, has very good power, very easy to ride slow (like city driving or parking lots) and also fun on backroads. It did feel a bit "clogged", and I would call it kind of mellow. The Griso is a beast-O. My 990 bolts out of turns. The V85 is a lot of fun, has to me the right amount of power, but I could see some power hungry guys not being happy enough.
I really like the large gas capacity, and excellent fuel mileage, so a very long range ... and the bike is very narrow at the tank/seat junction. Feels slim for this kind of bike. Handling is great ... very happily drops into turns, almost a bit too easily. I did look at the bottom of the footpegs on both of the demo bikes, and there were no scrapes ... as I had read about all the peg dragging during the press day ... none of these had ever touched the ground. I did not push it that hard in corners.
The bags look a lot smaller than pics I've seen ... which is a great thing for me ... I didn't want GSA 1200 size luggage. Let's see ... seating position is great, seat is great but with a ~20 demo ride you don't really know. Wind protection ... the airflow is very nice ... I can see the stock shield being my summer time shield ... I'm a bit of a wimp, so I would want to add a larger screen for cooler weather riding ... hopefully Givi will make one of their AirFlow models and are adjustable.
So all-in-all, I loved the bike! I put down a deposit on the Rosso Kalahari. I will sell the F800GT. Then I'm debating on selling the KTM 990 or the Racer ... hummm ... maybe the Racer, I'll still have 2 Moto Guzzis if I go that route.
Oh, I'm not looking for an offroad adventure bike ... most I would do is ride down dirt roads to camp grounds (which on the West Coast could be several miles to reach). This would be more of my travel bike, multi day solo (no passenger) trips.
Availability ... dealership said "June", that's good enough for me.
So if someone said ... what's stood out, what surprised you?
#1 - awesome suspension!
#2 - very narrow at the tank/seat, amazing for such gas capacity
#3 - super light clutch pull
#4 - overall the bike is just a wonderful blend, like all the parts work so well together, so easy to ride, so fun to ride. Feels like a V-Strom 650 with more power, more character, and shaft drive (all great things)
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Thanks for sharing usedtobefast!!!
Has anyone seen or heard reference to two-up ergo's / passenger comfort? We had a Stelvio which was my brides favorite but the bike was just too tall and heavy ultimately. Can't wait for Seacoast Sport here in the northeast to have the demo tour truck visit.
Thanks, SM
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Thanks for your review Usedtobefast. That pretty much reflects my thoughts after a demo ride. I put my order in and sold my Tiger 800 and T3 Cali after reflecting on a positive test ride so I hope I”m doing the right thing! I’m told mid May arrival for my plain red bike. Let’s hope it’s not end of September...
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Nice review...very informative. So far, this V85 is batting 100% for those that are riding it...quite a positive initial response here!
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Any two-up reviews / impressions??
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OK, this sounds great. I really haven't read or heard of ANYTHING about this bike that sounds remotely concerning. I am having a hard time believing that it is a Guzzi. Seriously, how did they come up with this thing? What changed at Piaggio? I mean, I really like my V7, but the stock suspension pretty much sucks, the seat is not great, and most of them needed some sort of map upgrade to run right, not to mention the thrust washer debacle, lack of power, etc. In other words, V7's are great little bikes, but they are Guzzi's and it has taken about a decade for Piaggio to get them sorted.
So how did they manage to get virtually EVERYRTHING right on the brand new V85? It is so unlike Guzzi to be able to pull this off. I am having a hard time believing it, and hopefully they don't start blowing up after a couple of thousand miles. :grin:
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OK, this sounds great. I really haven't read or heard of ANYTHING about this bike that sounds remotely concerning. I am having a hard time believing that it is a Guzzi. Seriously, how did they come up with this thing? What changed at Piaggio? I mean, I really like my V7, but the stock suspension pretty much sucks, the seat is not great, and most of them needed some sort of map upgrade to run right, not to mention the thrust washer debacle, lack of power, etc. In other words, V7's are great little bikes, but they are Guzzi's and it has taken about a decade for Piaggio to get them sorted.
So how did they manage to get virtually EVERYRTHING right on the brand new V85? It is so unlike Guzzi to be able to pull this off. I am having a hard time believing it, and hopefully they don't start blowing up after a couple of thousand miles. :grin:
I think you over-state it.
My 2013 V7 Stone (first model year 1TB V7) runs fine (once it has warmed). Yeah the voltage regulator sucked, but that's about it.
That's better than my B11 was.... Which was better than my Jackal was.
I think they've been getting better and better
That said the stupid thrust washer debacle was unforgivable as was the hydraulic lifters bullshit and the flat tappet bullshit.
So sadly we don't know for sure that one/some of these might not screw the pooch. But you pays your money and takes your chances.
At least they SEEM to be getting better and better.
I wasn't too scared to buy a V7III, I'd buy this too or a future road going version.
You only live once!
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Kev, yeah my comments are at least partly tongue-in-cheek. I have a V7II and it has been great (once I upgraded the suspension and added a Beetle map), but honestly the issues on the stock bike were minor and I agree they have been getting better.
But on the other hand, I have been riding and reading about Guzzis since the 1990's and have never seen a Guzzi get this kind press and totally positive feedback. It just doesn't seem like a Guzzi in that respect, but in a good way. A Guzzi without the caveats? Can it really be? Just doesn't seem right somehow, but I hope it is!
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Kev, yeah my comments are at least partly tongue-in-cheek. I have a V7II and it has been great (once I upgraded the suspension and added a Beetle map), but honestly the issues on the stock bike were only minor and I agree they have been getting better.
But on the other hand, I have been riding and reading about Guzzis since the 1990's and have never seen a Guzzi get this kind press and totally positive feedback. It just doesn't seem like a Guzzi in that respect, but in a good way. A Guzzi without the caveats. Can it really be? Just doesn't seem right somehow, but I hope it is!
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You're absolutely right....I hope so too!
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Please take the time to enjoy some excellent Trappiste beer, like perhaps a good Blue or Red Chimay! Coffee you can get anywhere, let me see...hhmm, maybe Italy??
:)
This place is a bit of a fave..
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(https://i.ibb.co/Zz3x9jG/4-E3-D85-E5-5-AD3-4-FFC-8-DAD-A6-E7-CE8-F8-D02.jpg) (https://ibb.co/Zz3x9jG)
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This place is a bit of a fave..
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(https://i.ibb.co/Zz3x9jG/4-E3-D85-E5-5-AD3-4-FFC-8-DAD-A6-E7-CE8-F8-D02.jpg) (https://ibb.co/Zz3x9jG)
Trieste perhaps? Always good Gelato there!!
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Como, about 45 minutes from Mandello :wink:
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Como, about 45 minutes from Mandello :wink:
Nice...a short hop to Lecco or Bellagio on the way to Mandello then!
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Nice...a short hop to Lecco or Bellagio on the way to Mandello then!
I’d like to take a V85 from Mandello del Lario to Bellagio this time, but I’ll wait ‘till there’s a red and white one like Frans Belgium’s..
For me it HAS to be Red/White...really.
I know I’ll like it, but it has some mighty big shoes to fill if it has pretentions of sleeping with my favourite one..
She’s a little bit choosey, (I think my Norge is prettier.)
And she stills smells nice... :wink: :kiss:
These are some of the views on that section from 2017...
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The old mafia guy in shot#1, made me an ”awwfer I couldn’t refuse..!”
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Trieste perhaps? Always good Gelato there!!
In Como on a Norge..?
Everything tastes good.
There’s a permanent aroma of pizza that never goes away and the crackle of a language where everyone seems to sound like Valentino Rossi.
The feel around there moves me to run the Norge through 6,000 on the up changes, just to taste the butter smooth ‘box and become enveloped in the booming Staintune bark.
The sound is intoxicating when it bounces off the rock walls.
In Como or Mandello, I feel more like I’m “living” the bike, than “riding” it.
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75.9 HP at the motor in stock configuration
https://www.facebook.com/MotoRumble/videos/422707155173378/
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https://www.facebook.com/MotoRumble/videos/422707155173378/
That seems like enough..
Oh, and another thing..
When I was in the bike shop looking at the V85 the other day in Aylesbury, there was a new Le Mans offering with a V9 lookalike motor, or is that the same as the V 85 ?
I didn’t bother to ask the bloke.
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I’d like to take a V85 from Mandello del Lario to Bellagio this time, but I’ll wait ‘till there’s a red and white one like Frans Belgium’s..
For me it HAS to be Red/White...really.
I know I’ll like it, but it has some mighty big shoes to fill if it has pretentions of sleeping with my favourite one..
She’s a little bit choosey, (I think my Norge is prettier.)
And she stills smells nice... :wink: :kiss:
These are some of the views on that section from 2017...
6 years+ the difference :grin:
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(https://i.ibb.co/H41Jmf4/IMG-8819.jpg) (https://ibb.co/H41Jmf4)
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6 years+ the difference :grin:
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:thumb:
Also that dyno run really should shut the deniers up!
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Also that dyno run really should shut the deniers up!
Certainly has. We've got crickets...
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OK, this sounds great. I really haven't read or heard of ANYTHING about this bike that sounds remotely concerning. I am having a hard time believing that it is a Guzzi. Seriously, how did they come up with this thing? What changed at Piaggio? I mean, I really like my V7, but the stock suspension pretty much sucks, the seat is not great, and most of them needed some sort of map upgrade to run right, not to mention the thrust washer debacle, lack of power, etc. In other words, V7's are great little bikes, but they are Guzzi's and it has taken about a decade for Piaggio to get them sorted.
So how did they manage to get virtually EVERYRTHING right on the brand new V85? It is so unlike Guzzi to be able to pull this off. I am having a hard time believing it, and hopefully they don't start blowing up after a couple of thousand miles. :grin:
Parden me... but I just watched the documentary on netflix the other day..... You know its kinda like Robert johnson disappearing for a year having been a poor to fair musician, and coming back one of the best... Was there a crossroads in Italy? Some souls getting sold?? what? I just hope they dont screw the pooch after the sale.....
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That’s at the wheel, not the motor, right?
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That’s at the wheel, not the motor, right?
Correct. Not all dynamometers read equally, however. Nevertheless that's an exceedingly impressive result which as previously stated should at least partially quiet those nay-sayers & detractors who seemingly wish failure upon the company.
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Lots of dynos with tiny horses in them. I'll believe it when I see it on a dyno I trust.
I'll ride one when the opportunity arises but the reason I don't comment on these threads any more is that anything other that sycophantic praise is frowned upon and there is nothing, absolutely nothing, that excites me about this motorbike.
Pete
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Yes, everyone’s opinion will have a ratio of truth, conventional wisdom, factual statements born out of a lifetime of experience and complete and utter crap..
Pete, it’s well documented on these pages that you were (correctly) sceptical bout the performance claims made regarding the V85..
There can be of course a wild variation in results gained on a dynamometer for a myriad of reasons, most of which are above my head, but unless all the calibrations are done and the various conditions are standardised, then the “results”, aren’t worth a pinch of shit.
However..
Mass is mass, metres are metres, time is time and Issac Newton is moderately skilled in the intricacies of how they all interact.
I don’t have enough life experience to cross swords with anyone who’s been fettling these old slugs since Christ died as some here have, but if someone gives me a standing start 400 metre figure and a take off weight, I’ll then know what the power calculation is in absolute reality without the idealisation that goes with results designed to get would be buyers all trembly in the nether regions.
And Pete..
As I’m sure you’d admit, not everyone buys a given bike to “get excited”.
There is nothing that would get me “excited” about an overblown puffed up Griso or a convert with a chair glued to the side, but I’ll wager there’s a bigger reason than that to bring one into existence and it’s the manifestation of a degree of engineering skill and bringing together a lifetime of knowlege to produce a product “because you can”.
Clearly we all know what you mean when throwing the term around and as one of many that have thrown a fair amount of cash over the bar to get one, I’ll happily admit that I’m not “excited” either, but when I get a shot of mine at the tip of Cape York, Cape Tribulation, Cape of Good Hope or Cape Cod, I’ll be pretty damn aroused and there’s a better than average chance that I’ll need to take my leave for a few minutes... :wink:
Sure the power figure won’t be what they say, but..
I just don’t care, I wish that Guzzi had never made the claim in the first place..
Oh, and one more thing guys.
PLEASE.. Stop saying that a machine “puts out power” it grates on the nerves.
There are a few books on the subject that can be borrowed at the local library..
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Well, it pushed all MY buttons, that's all that matters to ME. And frankly, my dear, I don't give a rat's ass about horsepower.
If I'd want it, I'd buy a Ferrari, never a Guzzi, ANY Guzzi :grin:
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Well, it pushed all MY buttons, that's all that matters to ME. And frankly, my dear, I don't give a rat's ass about horsepower.
If I'd want it, I'd buy a Ferrari, never a Guzzi, ANY Guzzi :grin:
Yeah Franz.
But I think the point from those that are worth listening to is..
It doesn’t matter if the bike has mediocre, fantastic or downright shithouse performance, it’s being cajoled into buying something on a false premise that Pete and others rallied against.
That is a fair point that will always stand.
And BTW.
I’m heading down to Dover today for the crossing to France and will be in Paris Tuesday night barring mishap.
Most likely leaving Thursday morning so if a window opened in Belgium, I could swing by, but I understand maybe not.
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The link I posted show 75.9 at the motor.
All dynos results I have seen show approx. 75-76 HP at the motor.
Of course is it measured at the wheel and then calculated afterwards.
So far it seems that the V85TT does not deliver the values which were promised.
If this is okay for potential buyers...so why not but it might be a problem when this will be published in magazines where Guzzi has to compete with others.
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You don't get it.
It's not the power figure or even the crappy backwards looking technology.
IT'S THE LYING AND BULLSHIT AND THE FACT THAT IF THERE ARE ANY PROBLEMS THE NEW OWNERS WILL BE SCREWED OVER BECAUSE PIAGGIO COULDN'T LIE STRAIGHT IN BED.
Perhaps it's time I signed out for a while.
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So what your really tryin to say is that you are less than enthused?
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You don't get it.
It's not the power figure or even the crappy backwards looking technology.
IT'S THE LYING AND BULLSHIT AND THE FACT THAT IF THERE ARE ANY PROBLEMS THE NEW OWNERS WILL BE SCREWED OVER BECAUSE PIAGGIO COULDN'T LIE STRAIGHT IN BED.
Perhaps it's time I signed out for a while.
Why.
A bit of undiluted truth never hurt anyone...
Somewhat of a rarity these days.
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@ Pete: I am also not pleased at all what happened to the brand after Piaggio took over.
Killing the 8V CARC bikes was such a stupid move.
I love my 8V Griso. This engine and drivetrain is by far the best what Guzzi ever did (thanks to Ivano Beggio, Aprilia).
If they could just add 8V CARC Euro5 ABS bikes to the current portfolio again ...
And I still think that Guzzi could find a better owner (just look at the success of Ducati).
But nevertheless the V85TT seems to be a decent small block Guzzi.
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I don’t even own a Guzzi yet. (I was gonna buy that Sport MedicAndy bought out from under me). So after studying-up on the marque for the past two years, it seems like the brand has been “neutered”. Sure, the 1400 is big, but lacking a floating bevel-drive. And, it really should put out more power for its size. The smaller bikes have no floating bevel-drive and really look like entry level bikes. And the new V85 has no linkage in the rear suspension (cheap). No floating bevel-drive (cheap). And that engine does not seem to be a next-generation version of the Griso motor. While all the other brands are clearly moving forward in a technical sense, Guzzi is being dragged backwards. Their offerings are nothing more than a marketing ploy. Now, if your not bothered by that, no harm / no foul. But it clearly won’t catch the attention of others and entice them to switch brands. No growth equals death in this market. Now I have to go search for another one-owner Sport 1100.....
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Fairly obviously the power output of the V85TT is exactly what was claimed, and the bike is attracting more attention from non-Guzzi buyers than any bike in living memory. It does that by being a better bike, not a worse bike :thumb:
On the other side of the coin I've been riding Guzzis since 1987 and it's also the first Guzzi since Aprilia took over that I would consider buying, because it's an intelligent bike that captures Guzzis values of simplicity and style, by all accounts has really good on the road performance, and is competitively priced. The motorcycle world is indeed moving forward, and where it's going better aligns with Guzzi traditions. More, more, more and bigger, bigger, bigger is finally slipping into past.
BTW, the chain driven OHC engine was created by Piaggio, not by Aprilia which at that time built bikes using engines bought from other companies, principally Rotax. The Griso prototype was created by Aprilia with a (Guzzi designed) Centauro engine, in the 2000/01 time frame. There are photos on the web and I had a pass to see the prototype at EICMA in September 2001. Production was then stalled due to lack of money at Aprilia, plus the Centauro engine being uneconomic to produce. After Piaggio took over they put the bike into production with the 2V/cylinder engine for one year (2007) while they (Piaggio Pontedera) redesigned the 4V/cylinder engine.
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Well, it pushed all MY buttons, that's all that matters to ME. And frankly, my dear, I don't give a rat's ass about horsepower.
If I'd want it, I'd buy a Ferrari, never a Guzzi, ANY Guzzi :grin:
Frans, I would be interested to know your candid opinion of how the V85 compares with your former F700GS.
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Certainly has. We've got crickets...
So it has less HP than my Stelvio but much less weight which should make performance pretty close, can't wait for my test ride on the 17th to compare with my seat of the pants dyno. If its even close its a win.
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At the demo ride I went to ... it started at 10am, and by 11:30 3 deposits had been put down on bikes. Not sure if they will sell a bike every 30 minutes for the 2 days of demos rides, but that was a pretty interesting stat. :thumb:
On the power side, it was kind of funny as I was riding my Griso minutes after riding the v85. I bought my Griso for the engine and I put up with a few things I don't like about the complete motorcycle. On the V85, it does a lot of wonderful things and the motor is nice. So a "motor guy" will most likely ride the v85 and complain about it. Not sure if you guys know about V-Stroms much, but a lot of guys buy the 650 instead of the 1000, the 650 is a very wonderful bike where everything works so well together ... the v85 is like that .... it is almost like they took a v-strom 650 and made every aspect of it better ... that's a very good thing.
As for the non-linkage suspension, KTM's done that for ages (PDS) and they win offroad world championships with no linkage ... and the v85 suspension is excellent. So I actually like it a lot. No linkage bearings to wear out or need to maintain, easy to pull shock if needed, easy to adjust spring preload (I actually like that they have the simple pre-load adjuster) ... what's not to like? :grin:
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As for the non-linkage suspension, KTM's done that for ages (PDS) and they win offroad world championships with no linkage ... and the v85 suspension is excellent. So I actually like it a lot. No linkage bearings to wear out or need to maintain, easy to pull shock if needed, easy to adjust spring preload (I actually like that they have the simple pre-load adjuster) ... what's not to like? :grin:
Linkage (rising rate) rear suspension is one of those complexities that some think provides better suspension quality but which actually makes little difference, particularly on a bike with long travel. A single shock on the side works well on many bikes in my experience.
Re anti-torque linkage, you can see the bike rising slightly under full throttle in the dyno test but none of the testers mention it on the road. That surprised me and I can only assume the swing arm is long enough in relation to torque that the effect is well hidden. If so that's great, a single u-joint and less pivots etc is better in every other respect.
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Linkage (rising rate) rear suspension is one of those complexities that some think provides better suspension quality but which actually makes little difference, particularly on a bike with long travel. A single shock on the side works well on many bikes in my experience.
Re anti-torque linkage, you can see the bike rising slightly under full throttle in the dyno test but none of the testers mention it on the road. That surprised me and I can only assume the swing arm is long enough in relation to torque that the effect is well hidden. If so that's great, a single u-joint and less pivots etc is better in every other respect.
Right... if it works it works..With or without all the bells and whistles.... if it works it works.
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Frans, I would be interested to know your candid opinion of how the V85 compares with your former F700GS.
Well, the Guzzi does everything the Beemer does just as well or better. It has the same ease of driving and the same comfy position ( I had a comfort seat on the Beemer). It is more stable though straight out and in long turns. (Tyres in bith cases Pirelli scorpion trail 2) and the pillion has more room and is comfier. Consumes about the same (4.8 l/100 km). Wind protection with standard screen is a bit better. It has no chain and certainly sounds better. More torque in lower rpm. Have 600 km in a week by now and already fond of it. Could do with heated grips, not yet available as it is still cold in Belgium. Plus for the Beemer are the vario ( adjustable) cases, tubeless rims and slightly lower weight. Dash of the Guzzi reads a lit better. Just hopes it's water tight after my problems with both my Breva and Norge.
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I don’t even own a Guzzi yet. (I was gonna buy that Sport MedicAndy bought out from under me). So after studying-up on the marque for the past two years, it seems like the brand has been “neutered”. Sure, the 1400 is big, but lacking a floating bevel-drive. And, it really should put out more power for its size. The smaller bikes have no floating bevel-drive and really look like entry level bikes. And the new V85 has no linkage in the rear suspension (cheap). No floating bevel-drive (cheap). And that engine does not seem to be a next-generation version of the Griso motor. While all the other brands are clearly moving forward in a technical sense, Guzzi is being dragged backwards. Their offerings are nothing more than a marketing ploy. Now, if your not bothered by that, no harm / no foul. But it clearly won’t catch the attention of others and entice them to switch brands. No growth equals death in this market. Now I have to go search for another one-owner Sport 1100.....
So after all that “floating bevel-drive” (not even sure what that is) blather, you’re setting out to find one of the most un-refined Guzzi’s out there?
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Linkage (rising rate) rear suspension is one of those complexities that some think provides better suspension quality but which actually makes little difference, particularly on a bike with long travel. A single shock on the side works well on many bikes in my experience.
Re anti-torque linkage, you can see the bike rising slightly under full throttle in the dyno test but none of the testers mention it on the road. That surprised me and I can only assume the swing arm is long enough in relation to torque that the effect is well hidden. If so that's great, a single u-joint and less pivots etc is better in every other respect.
I've got to disagree about rising rate suspension. I've long been a fan. Likewise reactive rear drives but each to their own.
WRT the bolded bit above the V85 doesn't use a single UJ like earlier smallblocks. It's a shaft with a trunnion at each end with considerable sideways offset which I have to wonder whether it will impact coupling life. I hope not.
Pete
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So after all that “floating bevel-drive” (not even sure what that is) blather, you’re setting out to find one of the most un-refined Guzzi’s out there?
Yes I am. I want to experience the rawness of such a bike. It’s a whole lot cheaper than the V85. Has the same power. It’s a sportier chassis that I prefer. Has the floating rear hub that eliminates rear suspension jacking. I’m not a fan of this whole retro thing. It seems phony to me. It just seems like they put more effort into the Stelvio. And...KTM tried the linkage-less rear shock and it (PDS) got replaced with a linkage design years ago.
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Yes I am. I want to experience the rawness of such a bike. It’s a whole lot cheaper than the V85. Has the same power. It’s a sportier chassis that I prefer. Has the floating rear hub that eliminates rear suspension jacking. I’m not a fan of this whole retro thing. It seems phony to me. It just seems like they put more effort into the Stelvio. And...KTM tried the linkage-less rear shock and it (PDS) got replaced with a linkage design years ago.
2019 790 Adventure all new with pds just out
Parallel Universe on the net ?
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I like my Stelvio.
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These types discussions are usually pretty interesting and most of the time bring out a lot of pro and con dialogue. I have my deposit down after my test ride.
For me, the bike was everything I was looking for. Plenty of useful power in a world of 70 mph speed limits. I like the 2 valve. Simple. Had the look I wanted but of course that is totally subjective. Felt the suspension was spot on for my intended purpose. I find many times that negative comments come from those who in reality are really looking for another type of bike. If you are of an age where having a rocket ship response from your right hand is a priority, this clearly is not your weapon of choice. I was at one time very interested in a Honda Ridgeline. It fit my needs. 5000 pounds of towing was all I needed. The forums would be filled with guys ripping that vehicle up and down for not being a "real" pick up. Yup, it's not. But it is what 80% of people who
drive full size trucks really need. If you want a big truck, you have plenty of options. If you want a fire breathing, high tech transformer motorcycle, you have plenty to choose from. For me, and apparently several other folks, this is the bike we have been waiting for. I also think there will be many first time Moto Guzzi buyers with the V 85TT. And that can be nothing but good for all of us.
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They might actually be watching and listening.
Here is a list of the dealers on the tour;
https://www.motoguzzi.com/us_EN/
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These types discussions are usually pretty interesting and most of the time bring out a lot of pro and con dialogue. I have my deposit down after my test ride.
For me, the bike was everything I was looking for. Plenty of useful power in a world of 70 mph speed limits. I like the 2 valve. Simple. Had the look I wanted but of course that is totally subjective. Felt the suspension was spot on for my intended purpose. I find many times that negative comments come from those who in reality are really looking for another type of bike. If you are of an age where having a rocket ship response from your right hand is a priority, this clearly is not your weapon of choice. I was at one time very interested in a Honda Ridgeline. It fit my needs. 5000 pounds of towing was all I needed. The forums would be filled with guys ripping that vehicle up and down for not being a "real" pick up. Yup, it's not. But it is what 80% of people who
drive full size trucks really need. If you want a big truck, you have plenty of options. If you want a fire breathing, high tech transformer motorcycle, you have plenty to choose from. For me, and apparently several other folks, this is the bike we have been waiting for. I also think there will be many first time Moto Guzzi buyers with the V 85TT. And that can be nothing but good for all of us.
:thumb: :thumb:
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6 years+ the difference :grin:
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I’m just coming up out of Paris en route to Tilburg, Franz.
Are you available anywhere for a catch up..?
Do I have your phone number with international code ?
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Ok Franz.
I’m at Lille in France and guess you are away as you indicated in your posts.
I’ll go to Holland to see my mates in Tilburg and maybe catch you later.
Huzo.
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I haven’t read to many bad things about this bike from those who have actually taken it for a test ride. I said I will never buy a new bike again, but if they put the V85 motor in this bike with the high pipes I might have to sell a few guns out of my collection and get one.
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If the rough came with a 2 into 1 high pipe and a tach it would be very tempting!
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Hi guys - took my 1995 California in for a service this morning. Absolutely love her but compared to my V-Strom 650 she's not the easiest to ride. Walking back I was thinking about a V850TT and was drawn in particular to Usedtobefast's comment - "Feels like a V-Strom 650 with more power, more character, and shaft drive (all great things)" As others have said the V-Strom is an incredible bike and the thought of combining that with the Guzzi's looks, shaft drive and character sounds ideal. Will need to sort a test ride on the V850TT but am slightly worried by Zoom Zoom's comment -"Although the seating area is comfortable, you aren't able to move around much. Those with bad knees or hips will want to devise another place to move your feet to if you plan on long days in the saddle." I'm one of those with dodgy knees, but the V-Strom is super comfortable and never causes any discomfort. Any thoughts particularly from those with experience of both the V850TT and V-Strom 650?
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Zoom Zoom wasn’t talking about the TT I don’t believe. You may want to revisit his post....
Mark
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Hi guys - took my 1995 California in for a service this morning. Absolutely love her but compared to my V-Strom 650 she's not the easiest to ride. Walking back I was thinking about a V850TT and was drawn in particular to Usedtobefast's comment - "Feels like a V-Strom 650 with more power, more character, and shaft drive (all great things)" As others have said the V-Strom is an incredible bike and the thought of combining that with the Guzzi's looks, shaft drive and character sounds ideal. Will need to sort a test ride on the V850TT but am slightly worried by Zoom Zoom's comment -"Although the seating area is comfortable, you aren't able to move around much. Those with bad knees or hips will want to devise another place to move your feet to if you plan on long days in the saddle." I'm one of those with dodgy knees, but the V-Strom is super comfortable and never causes any discomfort. Any thoughts particularly from those with experience of both the V850TT and V-Strom 650?
I own a 2017 V-Strom 650, and I spent 15-20 minutes on the v85tt ... the more I thought of the comparison, the more I liked it. :laugh: It really is like they made small improvements to everything on the V-strom.
The V85tt: clutch pull is a bit lighter, front brakes are way better, suspension is much better, handling is close, maybe the v85 is a wee bit better, wind protection is similar, seating position seemed really similar to me, shaft drive is awesome (no chain to oil/adjust), both very easy oil/filter change, V85 way easier to adjust valves but need to do it more often, larger tank (more range).
The V-Strom 650: Much cheaper, probably more reliable, probably can handle more neglect, tubless wheels/tires.
The V-strom 650 has what I would call a "happy motor". It is happy at 2000 rpms, happy at 3000, happy at 8000, sounds great everywhere ... want to rev it up, yes it is happy to do it. It does feel like less power than the v85. The V85 is really nice, but the motor sounds like it has been Euro 4'ed a bit too much. It runs great, fueling is spot on, is a zippy Moto Guzzi ... but not as happy as the V-Strom. :laugh:
So a bit lower powered happy motor (V-strom 650) vs. a more powerful Euro 4'ed motor.
For seating ... it seems to me the V85 is a bit easier to move around on ... seat is a bit flatter ... the V-strom is a bit more scooped out. But a 15-20 minutes test ride it is hard to tell.
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Thanks guys much appreciated.
Mark - I've re-read Zoom's post and it seems pretty clear he is talking about the V850 (although maybe a pre-production version). Different people have different experiences, but useful input in any case.
Usedtobe fast - a short test ride, but a glowing testimonial in my eyes since the v-strom is sooooooo impressive in the real world. Only thing - it's not a Guzzi. The head says keep the v-strom, the heart says get the Guzzi. Then again, the Cali may feel a bit different after the service & MoT.
Decisions, decisions...
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That was interesting. I just got a spare part for my V7 Stone (nothing serious!) from my dealer. He told me he has a real problem with the V85: he cannot get enough of these bikes! They sell by themselves, and he says the bike is pure fun to ride. A problem absolutely unheard of before for Moto Guzzi.
And he has the comparison: He sells (and services) Aprilia, Vespa, Moto Guzzi, Suzuki, Ducati, Kymco, Mondial and for a few months now Royal Enfield. Of which the 650 and the Himalayan also are real success stories for him.
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I owned a DL1000 for 16 years. I think the sitting position is virtually identical to the DL 650. When I test rode the V 85 the best way I can describe it is that it was immediately natural. So natural in fact that I needed to concentrate on my riding checklist to not squander my 20 minutes of evaluation time. I am 6 foot/195 lbs/30 inch inseam. Reach and position to handlebars is perfect. Angle of grips is spot on. Knee angle and foot position are spot on. Not cramped. Seat was a nice wide platform that narrowed at front to allow one to stand and tuck in with your knees. There is some room to move fore and aft to change position. It is not dished to hold you in a bucket depression. Suspension was forgiving over rough surface but responsive when hustling through a curve. Turn in is light and I felt precise for a 19 inch front tire. Definitely more nimble/flickable than my DL 1000. Bike feels very light and I was riding the full luggage unit. Calisteve, I think you will find the V 85 very comfortable if your personal stats are similar to mine. I cannot speak to long time butt comfort after a 20 minute test, but my impression of the seat at the time was, " Gee, I don't think I will have to go to the aftermarket to fix this."
Only an 8 hour day on the bike will ultimately answer that.
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Some like to carry on the game of daming Guzzi with faint praise.
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Africa Twin vs. BMW F850GSA vs. Moto Guzzi V85 TT review
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wP4Aj8DcL8U
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I watched it and it's good. There's no way to cover everything with a limited test but initial insights are valuable.
Ranking these bikes is difficult. These testers came out with BMW #1, Honda #2 and Guzzi #3. They gave positive comments about the Guzzi and acknowledged more than one area where it performed well. However, they were always chuckling about the Guzzi and tended to view it as an "old school" novelty bike. But, they liked that and generously allowed that there is a place for this sort of bike.
I really didn't take their review as negative to the Guzzi. It just wasn't as positive an assessment for the Guzzi as bestowed upon the other two contenders.
A very important issue not captured by a test like this one, aside from performance characteristics, is the long-term reliability of the tested machines. How much sorting will the bikes require? Will there be loose bolts and other quality control issues that crop up with ownership? These sort of things can override any positive performance characteristics that a bike may have.
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I've watched this guy in other videos, he tends to be as objective as one can (we all have our favorites). just past midway through the video, the BMW and Guzzi guy were discussing the merits of all 3 bikes. In that discussion, seating position and 'feel' was cited ... very subjective but well thought out. The 'bmw' guy said that although the Africa Twin may have better wind protection, he preferred the BMW because the seating position simply placed his knees and feet where he preferred... it just felt better. The Guzzi guy did talk up the V85 a bit but the conversation came back to 'feel' and position, and of course 'uniqueness' (oh, and price, too).
Personally ... I prefer the look of the Africa Twin and the option of DCT. The BMW is a fantastic bike with all the bells and whistles (more stuff to break). The Guzzi definitely has charm, and having owned one (yeah, just one), it has a 'feel' like no other. Don't know if I like any of them enough to buy them... but maybe I'm not an adventure guy. I've only ridden one 'adventure' bike - about 25 years ago I test rode a BMW 'bumble bee'. I recall enjoying the upright riding position and weather protection. That's really all I remember. Since then, I've had a few 'street' bikes that I've enjoyed.
As a mainly street bike, the V85 seems like a winner... as an offroad competitor to the Africa Twin and GS's I don't know.
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My V85TT Playlist with reviews ist still growing:
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL3U2TKTfHX8a36xFKB6ZS5nBE_Xbv42m7
There is a lot of interest in this bike.
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Africa Twin vs. BMW F850GSA vs. Moto Guzzi V85 TT review
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wP4Aj8DcL8U
At the risk of kicking someone's sacred cow, the whole adventure bike thing just baffles me. Do people really hop on one of these expensive, large bikes and go across the country and go trail riding? And actually enjoy it? If so, how many people. Really. I've had a Kawasaki KLR (a poor man's adventure bike), and a Kawasaki Versys (a bit of a pretender adventure bike?), and taking a bike with that kind of weight into the boonies just wasn't fun. Off the road, I like my Yamaha XT250. Goes down the road okay, and gets through the trails okay. Nothing spectacular, but at least on the trails, it doesn't feel like you're riding your house.
Just a short ride from where I live in west Michigan, there are trails through the national forest that are sandy, and pose a good challenge to my 250 with it's knobbies. You gotta keep moving, and keep the power on in some tight spots. An adventure bike would be a large joke on these trails. Just turning one of those monsters around on these trails would be a huge chore. You'd be a sweaty, bug bitten mess by the time you did it.
Oh...so why did I own my pseudo adventure bikes? Great rider position, and they're good on dirt roads, and they can get dirty and still look good. Basically, they're great road bikes that can get dusty, too.
Okay, so shoot me.
With that out of the way, isn't it remarkable that the Guzzi was able to keep up with the Honda and the BMW, given the resources those companies have to compete in a highly competitive market? Guzzi's doing it's best in that genre with it's V twin, while Honda could choose from any of their existing engines or develop an engine specifically for that bike (which they probably did...I'm just too lazy and uninterested to check).
So, go Guzzi. I'm keeping my V7III and my XT250, but I'd take a V85 in a heartbeat.
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Just a short ride from where I live in west Michigan, there are trails through the national forest that are sandy, and pose a good challenge to my 250 with it's knobbies. You gotta keep moving, and keep the power on in some tight spots. An adventure bike would be a large joke on these trails. Just turning one of those monsters around on these trails would be a huge chore. You'd be a sweaty, bug bitten mess by the time you did it.
Absolutely. I don't get it either. About the only "adventure" these behemoths will see is putting down to the nearest Starbux and posing.
I have thousands of miles of Michigan dirt bike riding, and a 250 Bultaco was about right. I eventually went down to a 100 Hodaka because it was easier to carry when the going got *really* bad. It was down on power on long hill climbs, though.
As Pete would say, I fart in the general direction of those giant "adventure" bikes.
There is a guy with a new GS1250 that is planning on riding around the world. Suuuurrre he will. :rolleyes: One canbus error after he falls down in a third world country will have him eating bugs for dinner.
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As Pete would say, I fart in the general direction of those giant "adventure" bikes.
That is a phrase Pete would use..
(Actually a Monty Python rip-off..)
But I doubt he’d use it in relation to a large adventure bike.
That is, after all what a Stelvio is....
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I get the notion that the big adv bikes don’t make much sense, for all the reasons stated. Yet for me 6”6 250lb I really appreciate the high seat and extra suspension. I’m not a fan of the weight of some of the really big adv. I’m looking forward to trying a v85, with the high seat, sub 500lb weight and ample power, I have pretty high expectations.
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A couple years ago I showed up at the "March Moto Madness"
in Tellico Plains,TN. I was totally blown away to see what these behemoth Adventure Tour bikes were capable of in skilled hands.
$25k~$30k bikes piloted by guys in there 50's running through an Obstacle Course consisting of slick large diameter logs and mud bogs.
The Hill Climb was great fun to watch and their owners made it all look easy.
Some husband AND wife teams attacked this hill together on the bike!
No one appeared to hold back.
Afterwards, I'd imagine a few washed their bikes and road down to the nearest coffee house for a well earned cup of joe..
You never know.
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I get the notion that the big adv bikes don’t make much sense, for all the reasons stated. Yet for me 6”6 250lb I really appreciate the high seat and extra suspension. I’m not a fan of the weight of some of the really big adv. I’m looking forward to trying a v85, with the high seat, sub 500lb weight and ample power, I have pretty high expectations.
First thing I noticed with the V85, is how the bend in your knees is reduced.
The pegs feel low and close together.
Also, “adventure” bikes are still damn good things to smash out decent distances, even if you never take them off road.
It’s not mandatory and should not be seen as a disadvantage if you never do..
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I'm looking at the V85 / Stelvio as a possible replacement to my V11 Lemans.
Just look for a campsite in the middle of the night after 8 miles of rough dirt road or try to get to the gravel parking lot along 4 miles of deep, loose gravel road and you'll understand why.
Now if all I did was Motel tours the V11 Lemans would work out fine Butt----most of the places I go don't have Motels.
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At the risk of kicking someone's sacred cow, the whole adventure bike thing just baffles me. Do people really hop on one of these expensive, large bikes and go across the country and go trail riding? And actually enjoy it? If so, how many people. Really. I've had a Kawasaki KLR (a poor man's adventure bike), and a Kawasaki Versys (a bit of a pretender adventure bike?), and taking a bike with that kind of weight into the boonies just wasn't fun. Off the road, I like my Yamaha XT250. Goes down the road okay, and gets through the trails okay. Nothing spectacular, but at least on the trails, it doesn't feel like you're riding your house.
Just a short ride from where I live in west Michigan, there are trails through the national forest that are sandy, and pose a good challenge to my 250 with it's knobbies. You gotta keep moving, and keep the power on in some tight spots. An adventure bike would be a large joke on these trails. Just turning one of those monsters around on these trails would be a huge chore. You'd be a sweaty, bug bitten mess by the time you did it.
Oh...so why did I own my pseudo adventure bikes? Great rider position, and they're good on dirt roads, and they can get dirty and still look good. Basically, they're great road bikes that can get dusty, too.
Okay, so shoot me.
With that out of the way, isn't it remarkable that the Guzzi was able to keep up with the Honda and the BMW, given the resources those companies have to compete in a highly competitive market? Guzzi's doing it's best in that genre with it's V twin, while Honda could choose from any of their existing engines or develop an engine specifically for that bike (which they probably did...I'm just too lazy and uninterested to check).
So, go Guzzi. I'm keeping my V7III and my XT250, but I'd take a V85 in a heartbeat.
+1. I don't get it. Plus they are ugly. I know, I know, beauty is a subjective thing... I saw a KTM Adventure 990 in the parking lot this am, and my mom's vintage sewing machine is more attractive.. But I am sure they do cover the miles with ease. Worst thing is, I tend to think that they killed off the Sport Tourer. Bikes like the VFR800, highly capable and stylish. Is it making a comeback sometime soon?
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I do concede they lack that indefinable something..
My new V85 is isn’t in the same ballpark as my Norge looks wise in my opinion, but the statement about getting down four miles of shit and broken glass to get to a rally site, is a point worth making.
And your (admittedly) lovely VFR 800 Honda does not look as good down a 4 metre embankment with it’s sump plug staring up at Uranus...
The GS and similar do a “job” very well, but you have to take that leap first..
Bikes should do more than perform a “job”....
But it’s lovely when they do.
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First thing I noticed with the V85, is how the bend in your knees is reduced.
The pegs feel low and close together.
Also, “adventure” bikes are still damn good things to smash out decent distances, even if you never take them off road.
It’s not mandatory and should not be seen as a disadvantage if you never do..
THIS. They also make for a good long distance ROAD bike. Comfortable with lots of storage. Ask anyone with a Stelvio.
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THIS. They also make for a good long distance ROAD bike. Comfortable with lots of storage. Ask anyone with a Stelvio.
Agreed.
An adventure bike can do both, a road bike can’t really.
But as for the ugly thing, you have to remember the old adage..
“Whatever you do....
DON’T LOOK DOWN...!”
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Not me, the tall people of the world really appreciate 33 inch plus seat heights!
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But isn’t the Stelvio more competent in every way compared to a V85? Unless of course if your in- seam deprived and void of a muscular build...
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I own a 2017 V-Strom 650, and I spent 15-20 minutes on the v85tt ... the more I thought of the comparison, the more I liked it. :laugh: It really is like they made small improvements to everything on the V-strom.
The V85tt: clutch pull is a bit lighter, front brakes are way better, suspension is much better, handling is close, maybe the v85 is a wee bit better, wind protection is similar, seating position seemed really similar to me, shaft drive is awesome (no chain to oil/adjust), both very easy oil/filter change, V85 way easier to adjust valves but need to do it more often, larger tank (more range).
The V-Strom 650: Much cheaper, probably more reliable, probably can handle more neglect, tubless wheels/tires.
The V-strom 650 has what I would call a "happy motor". It is happy at 2000 rpms, happy at 3000, happy at 8000, sounds great everywhere ... want to rev it up, yes it is happy to do it. It does feel like less power than the v85. The V85 is really nice, but the motor sounds like it has been Euro 4'ed a bit too much. It runs great, fueling is spot on, is a zippy Moto Guzzi ... but not as happy as the V-Strom. :laugh:
So a bit lower powered happy motor (V-strom 650) vs. a more powerful Euro 4'ed motor.
For seating ... it seems to me the V85 is a bit easier to move around on ... seat is a bit flatter ... the V-strom is a bit more scooped out. But a 15-20 minutes test ride it is hard to tell.
I think the 650 VStrom is one of the most competent motorcycles ever made. if you think the Guzzi is better that is high praise. But of course the deference to reliability and longevity are part my assessment of the Suzi.
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At the risk of kicking someone's sacred cow, the whole adventure bike thing just baffles me. Do people really hop on one of these expensive, large bikes and go across the country and go trail riding? And actually enjoy it? If so, how many people. Really. I've had a Kawasaki KLR (a poor man's adventure bike), and a Kawasaki Versys (a bit of a pretender adventure bike?), and taking a bike with that kind of weight into the boonies just wasn't fun. Off the road, I like my Yamaha XT250. Goes down the road okay, and gets through the trails okay. Nothing spectacular, but at least on the trails, it doesn't feel like you're riding your house.
Just a short ride from where I live in west Michigan, there are trails through the national forest that are sandy, and pose a good challenge to my 250 with it's knobbies. You gotta keep moving, and keep the power on in some tight spots. An adventure bike would be a large joke on these trails. Just turning one of those monsters around on these trails would be a huge chore. You'd be a sweaty, bug bitten mess by the time you did it.
Oh...so why did I own my pseudo adventure bikes? Great rider position, and they're good on dirt roads, and they can get dirty and still look good. Basically, they're great road bikes that can get dusty, too.
Okay, so shoot me.
With that out of the way, isn't it remarkable that the Guzzi was able to keep up with the Honda and the BMW, given the resources those companies have to compete in a highly competitive market? Guzzi's doing it's best in that genre with it's V twin, while Honda could choose from any of their existing engines or develop an engine specifically for that bike (which they probably did...I'm just too lazy and uninterested to check).
So, go Guzzi. I'm keeping my V7III and my XT250, but I'd take a V85 in a heartbeat.
No offense, but many folks ride off road in conditions much different than the woods in the eastern US. I tried riding in the trails in OH with an R80gs, and it sucked bigly.
Take it out west, and there were lot of areas that were a blast to ride. Different horses for different courses. If I were to buy one of these, it would spend 99 percent of it's time on the road, and zero time on tight single track. Pretty much like the majority of these bikes sold.
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That is a phrase Pete would use..
(Actually a Monty Python rip-off..)
But I doubt he’d use it in relation to a large adventure bike.
That is, after all what a Stelvio is....
On the contrary Peter. I think the Stelvio would suck as a 'Round the world' bike. I'm sure there are some people, like Doug, who could handle one in really shitty 'Third World' conditions but most people couldn't. The advantage of the Stelvio is that it is a great two-up touring bike that can happily eat up dirt roads. It is NOT in my opinion a serious 'Off Road' or 'Dreadful Track' machine.
While I'm very fond of mine it is a huge, top heavy handful on bad surfaces and a nightmare on greasy clay! That's the reason I'm almost certainly going to be moving it on in the next year or so and replacing it with an SWM. While the SWM is also not going to be a 'Cutting Edge' round the world tourer for me, riding solo, it will do absolutely everything I'm likely to need it to do here, even in the remoter parts of Oz, with much greater ease, economy, and a lot less weight, than my Stelvio. It also has a simple and easily accessible FI system! What's not to like?
As I recently said elsewhere if I were to go around the world, something I would of liked to do decades ago but I couldn't afford and now my health precludes it, I would choose something mid sized and Japanese. Why? Because they are ubiquitous, simple and easily fixable by 'Bush Mechanics'. The idea of taking something like a BMW GS, (Modern one.) or a V85 would to me be foolish to the point of being almost suicidal.
Others may feel differently.
Pete
(PS. If I was taking a Guzzi I'd probably opt for a T3.)
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Yeah, Typically well thought out response, laden with commonsense.
But when has riding a bike on your own in a foreign country ever had anything to do with common sense ? I know I’d retract this statement in a heartbeat if the brown stuff hit the fan, but I like the edgy excitement that comes with something a little less...”safe”.
I mean your Grandma could ride a GS or Africa Twin to the Nordkapp.
Like I’ve said before, it’s like kissing your sister, really easy but no spice. I know I could be accused of being a romanticist, but I see you more of a Road of Bones type of bloke, up to his armpits with his greasy Neanderthal paws deep in the “bowels” of an old Quota.
And I think I can imagine what I’m gunna’ cop for saying this, but thinking of you doing the “safe thing” and riding something like a KLR Kawasaki just does mot mesh with my imagery.
You could choose to do it, but I choose not to think about it. :thumb:
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Pete, in your response #183 you make some points that are solidly founded over years of experience bitter and otherwise, I expect.
Then of course they are your opinions, which can never be wrong because by definition they are just that, opinions.
The reaction of the average Joe, is to tend to lightly shit himself when about to engage in a course of action that you have given counsel against, not because you might growl or something, but one tends to think he might be about to step in a giant turd of which he was forewarned.
BUT...!
On the topic of the V85, you do carry some deeply rooted concerns as to it’s viability but the damn thing seems to be everything that you describe as desireable, as something that you can pick up, tour on, work on and ride on greasy surfaces without soiling your Homer Simpson replica Y fronts...!
Shit I hope you turn out to be wrong, because although I know you will gain no pleasure from it, if they turn out to be a dud, I for one will have to acknowledge that I was benevolently warned.
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Shit I hope you turn out to be wrong, because although I know you will gain no pleasure from it, if they turn out to be a dud, I for one will have to acknowledge that I was benevolently warned.
Fear not Huzo for I shall stand tall next to you if the slings and arrows of outrageous fortune fly our way as I too have a first year V85TT on order and know that things might not go as hoped but hoping anyways.
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Fear not Huzo for I shall stand tall next to you if the slings and arrows of outrageous fortune fly our way as I too have a first year V85TT on order and know that things might not go as hoped but hoping anyways.
Colour and options please mate ?
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Centrestand, bigger screen, metal cases, engine guards ?
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Colour and options please mate ?
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Centrestand, bigger screen, metal cases, engine guards ?
Giallo Sahara (Yellow/Red/White) Adventure model with metal cases.
Options are centerstand, engine guards, bag liners and the Mia phone interface. I used my $250 credit for pre-ordering the bike on the stand and guards and had some balance left over so went for the bag liners but would have left those aside if I wasn't under the false idea that the Mia interface came with the bike standard and used the credits to offset the cost of that. Delivery date? Lol who knows eh? Have any V85's landed in Aussie yet (even though you are in Europe at the moment)? I haven't heard of any in the U.S. yet.
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Giallo Sahara (Yellow/Red/White) Adventure model with metal cases.
Options are centerstand, engine guards, bag liners and the Mia phone interface. I used my $250 credit for pre-ordering the bike on the stand and guards and had some balance left over so went for the bag liners but would have left those aside if I wasn't under the false idea that the Mia interface came with the bike standard and used the credits to offset the cost of that. Delivery date? Lol who knows eh? Have any V85's landed in Aussie yet (even though you are in Europe at the moment)? I haven't heard of any in the U.S. yet.
No to the Aussie availability so far mate.
I was onto him three days ago and he said end of June, which is what he has maintained all along.
Do you know the price breakdown of each item individually?
Centre stand
Screen
Bars
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No to the Aussie availability so far mate.
I was onto him three days ago and he said end of June, which is what he has maintained all along.
Do you know the price breakdown of each item individually?
Centre stand
Screen
Bars
U.S. prices
Center stand $147
Touring windscreen $248
Engine bars $72
There is a fancy Denim jacket you can get for $437 if that is something you'd like but I think I'll pass on that.
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U.S. prices
Center stand $147
Touring windscreen $248
Engine bars $72
There is a fancy Denim jacket you can get for $437 if that is something you'd like but I think I'll pass on that.
That sounds surprisingly reasonable..
(Also no thanks to the jacket..)
I’m gunna’ say yes to all three of those options.
I only got to about 80 kph for a short bit on my ride so can’t even comment on the screen.
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That sounds surprisingly reasonable..
(Also no thanks to the jacket..)
I’m gunna’ say yes to all three of those options.
I only got to about 80 mph for a short bit on my ride so can’t even comment on the screen.
I think on the screen I'll wait for more options to become available or at least have more impressions from owners once more of the bikes hit the streets. I think I managed to hit 50 mph on my test ride so I have no idea on how it will work for me but when I pick up my bike I'll be bringing it home partly along some unavoidable Los Angeles freeways so I'll find out quickly how if and how soon a replacement might be needed.
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Oh...so why did I own my pseudo adventure bikes? Great rider position, and they're good on dirt roads, and they can get dirty and still look good. Basically, they're great road bikes that can get dusty, too.
That's a perfectly good rationale, and you're honest about it. That's the same reason I own adventure bikes, plus the fact that you can set them up with tons of hard luggage easy that doesn't look weird.
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I actually typed kph but it came out mph.
I only got to 50 mph (80 kph) also.
BTW.
Owning any Guzzi can turn into an adventure.. :rolleyes:
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I actually typed kph but it came out mph.
I only got to 50 mph (80 kph) also.
BTW.
Owning any Guzzi can turn into an adventure.. :rolleyes:
I have two already and while prep'ing the V7 for possible sale I broke a fitting and am now awaiting a $150 hose assembly to show up in order to fix it.
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At the risk of kicking someone's sacred cow, the whole adventure bike thing just baffles me. Do people really hop on one of these expensive, large bikes and go across the country and go trail riding? And actually enjoy it? If so, how many people. Really.
Here in The Ozarks, I see a lot of ADVriders. Bikes are dirty, and so are they, so they must be venturing off pavement.
We have lots of unpaved county roads, and forest roads, including a bunch of 2-track. Venture west of The Ozarks and the number of miles of unpaved roads and 2-track goes up dramatically.
Years ago, i bought a Guzzi Quota for the precise reason that I wanted to ride New Mexico, Colorado, Utah, and Arizona, with much of the points of interest being off pavement. Yes, it was a beast to handle in some deep sand I encountered on Burr Trail in The Water Pocket Fold. Was able to make it through, and lunch at Boulder Utah was my reward. On that same trip, I took it up to Clear Lake outside Silverton Colorado, and to the ghost town of Animas Forks. Yeah, it felt a little heavy on some of the steep sections, but I was able to ride it from Arkansas to Mexican Hat Utah 1135 miles the first day of my trip, carrying everything I'd need for 10-days on the road. Can't do that with a dirt bike. And it sure was nice riding home across Oklahoma on my last day. A rare tail wind and cruising 70mph-75mph behind the big touring screen was nice.
Sure, some nutter might have been able to do the same things on a street bike, but the Quota's long travel suspension and 21-inch front wheel made it doable. That long-travel suspension was also nice on some long sections of gravel road, where I was able to make 40mph-50mph. No way you'd do that on a streetbike with half the suspension travel.
Oh, and yes, I ran into some fellow motorcyclists doing the same things on their ADVbikes.
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Dang, all this reminiscing is making me want to go test ride a V85 TT !!!
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Has anybody fitted any QD exhaust components to their V85 yet? I rather like the intermediate collector pipe that links the headers to the muffler. It eliminates that huge, vulnerable cat box that sits all exposed at the bottom & behind the sump pan & bash plate. A simple bolt-on replacement for the big, ugly, easily damaged front collector/cat chamber.
https://www.ebay.it/itm/SUPPRIME-CATALYSEUR-QD-EXHAUST-MOTO-GUZZI-V85-TT/202659500396?hash=item2f2f72916c:g:cpQAAOSwk2Jcvsjl
Given that the standard muffler has an array of allen bolts seemingly holding the rear cover in place, I'm assuming that it can be (relatively) simply & easily disassembled &/or recored. I quite like the look of the standard exhaust muffler; a much better aesthetic than the ludicrously extravagant (GBP 1059/ AU $2000+) boring & generic-looking Arrow accessory 'sport' can. The standard muffler simply has a more unique, characterful & integrated look I feel, but its Euro V compliant tone, level & presence is somewhat lacking in its standard, unmodified state. Unbecoming for a mid-capacity Guzzi in my opinion. But I'd imagine that ditching the ugly big & heavy collector box alone should have an immediate significant effect on weight, performance & tone. The manufacturer claims 3.3 kg weight saving & an (ambitious?) extra 4.4 hp!
Coring the convoluted, tortuous gasflow pathway for a simpler, well-packed perforated stainless tube should do wonders for the standard muffler too, removing a few additional kg & probably releasing another few stray ponies & a more befitting sonorous intonation in the process. Many modern exhausts, being screwed or riveted instead of welded together are eminently suited to modification and tuning. I've had satisfactory results from my Aprilia's cans (after remapping) & Nuda's Leo, & don't realistically see why Guzzi's latest should be any different.
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But isn’t the Stelvio more competent in every way compared to a V85? Unless of course if your in- seam deprived and void of a muscular build...
You know, I'm starting to think this way too. I can get a brand new (leftover) Stelvio for ~$3000 USD less than the V85tt. The Stelvio is, what, 80-90 lbs heavier? I don't have an inseam challenge but I do weigh 155 lbs so the Stelvio could certainly toss me whichever way it wanted. :grin:
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Given the universally positive acclaim in relation to the V85TT's handling, and the second class ratings of the Stelvio handling (i.e. acceptable but nothing special) I think there's at least one area of pure performance where the TT has already been judged better and more competent. When you factor the increased simplicity, much better appearance and good value, I don't think there's any question that the TT is better than the Stelvio, the Quota, or the V65TT in relation to the market into which its selling, and that it will sell better than any of those for that reason.
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V85 is not my type of bike, but weirdly l'm liking it. Then a couple weeks ago a friend with a Triumph Tiger (army green 800 XC?) went to a track day where Optimum Performance (new Seattle area Guzzi dealer) had a V85 to test ride and he said it compared well with his Triumph. He got to ride pavement and gravel and said the V85 had a little less power, but liked it a lot and envisioned having one in the future. He is a life-long motorcyclist with 20X my experience and has toured and explored and gotten lost on forest roads on the Triumph, so I trust his comparison. He also rides a Cushman silly miles and has a LM1 with scrubbed pegs from the track so he knows what he's talking about!
Looking forward to seeing more V85s.
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I also had a Tiger 800, which for me seemed to be a perfect touring motorcycle. - certainly I preferred it my previous GS1200LC. I had a ride on the V85 and ordered one. No need for detailed analysis of every statistic available - I just liked it and enjoyed riding it. That's good enough for me.
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You know, I'm starting to think this way too. I can get a brand new (leftover) Stelvio for ~$3000 USD less than the V85tt. The Stelvio is, what, 80-90 lbs heavier? I don't have an inseam challenge but I do weigh 155 lbs so the Stelvio could certainly toss me whichever way it wanted. :grin:
I own a Stelvio and I could instantly tell the V85tt was a much easier beast to handle on my short test ride. Now a Stelvio at $3000 savings would be a good way to go imo but the V85tt feels much lighter. Also that 80-90 lbs represents almost a 20% difference in overall weight. I will have to wait until my V85 shows up to get a better sense of it but it also felt to me like the Stelvio carries it's weight a bit higher than the new model and when I fill that tank up I can tell I have to be deliberate when moving at slow speeds or in parking lots.
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I managed to score a full day test ride on a V85 TT. So, last week on July 4th I spent the majority of the day on this V85 TT, logging 360 miles:
(https://i.ibb.co/bFNdwgL/V85-TT.jpg) (https://ibb.co/bFNdwgL)
Needless to say that was enough time to form my opinion on the bike. Below is my impression of the latest from Moto Guzzi.
First the Bad, I have two complaints about the bike:
1. It’s a pretty tall bike. I could not flat-foot the bike (I have a 31 inch inseam). I could get both balls of my feet on the ground but it’s still tall. Fortunately the bike is very well balanced so it was not difficult to deal with when stopped. The height is a borderline show stopper for me. There is a seat that is ¾ of an inch lower. The dealer didn’t have one in stock but said I could try the seat when they get one in.
2. The Seat. The seat is reasonably comfortable, but, it locks you into a fixed riding position. On very long rides I like to be able to move around a little bit.
Everything else about the bike is almost perfect. Here are my other observations.
The Ride
Most of the 360 miles were on back roads. I did spend enough miles on highways to get an idea about how the bike would feel on a long highway ride. it handles 70-85 mph very nicely. I only rode about 5 miles on an unpaved road, although a significant number of miles were spent on some poorly surfaced roads.
Ergonomics
The V85 has a typical upright Adventure Bike riding position. It is very roomy. The pegs seem reasonably low so taller riders should be comfortable. There is a slight lean to the bars, which are comfortably wide.
The windscreen works very well, and is manually adjustable over a narrow range. In the low position, break point for the wind was right at the chin bar on my helmet. I tried the screen in two other positions. When I extended the screen to the halfway point I experienced a slight improvement in coverage without much increase in noise. When I fully extended the screen I noticed a significant increase in noise. I never experienced any buffeting regardless of where I had the screen set.
Suspension
I found the suspension to be quite good, although I did not make any suspension changes. The suspension did a great job of soaking up bumps, even on the unpaved roads.
Ride Modes
The V85 TT has four ride modes: Rain, Road, Off-Road and Off-Road without ABS. I started out in Rain as the roads were wet when I left the dealer, but spent most of the time in Road mode.
Brakes
The brakes are quite good. I did have to make one very quick stop, but did not trigger the ABS.
Handling
The V85 is very stable at most any speed. It handles fast sweepers very nicely. Steering may be slightly heavy in very tight, technical sections.
Drivetrain
The V85 engine is nothing short of amazing. I was very suspect when Moto Guzzi claimed this 850 cc 2 valve push-rod engine would make 80 hp. The configuration seemed too close to that of the V9 to produce that much power. After a day on the bike I’m a believer. I don’t know if it makes 80 hp, but it is significantly stronger than any small block Guzzi I’ve ridden. Fueling is nearly perfect across the entire powerband. It will pull smoothly from 1,500 rpm all the way to the redline. I noticed no glitches of any kind across the entire power-band. There is very little mechanical noise, and the exhaust is on the quiet side. And finally, fuel mileage was insane. I computed the fuel mileage at the gas pump. On one fill-up I saw 53.7 mpg, and on the other I saw 51.4 mpg. The bike’s computer showed 48.5 and 47.3 respectively. This is the only Guzzi I’ve ever ridden where the computer’s gas mileage was lower than what I would calculate at the pump. 50 mpg will give you about a 275 mile range.
The transmission is very smooth and shifts smoothly.
Comparisons
Before returning the bike I did a comparison ride with my Griso and my BMW RnineT Urban GS.
V85 vs Griso: This was really a comparison of the V85 engine to the 8v 1200 cc Griso engine. My ‘seat of the pants dyno’ says the V85 has about 2/3 to ¾ the oomph of the Griso engine. However, the V85 is better behaved, primarily because of the better fueling.
V85 vs the RnineT Urban GS: The RnineT is more of a direct competitor to the V85. Price is very similar. I have no problem flat-footing the RnineT even though the specs say the RnineT’s seat is ¾ of an inch taller than the V85. I think the narrower seat profile coupled with more suspension sag may make the difference. Performance-wise the RnineT is significantly quicker/faster than the V85, which should be expected given the displacement and power discrepancy. Transmissions are similar with regards to shifting and ratios. The RnineT may feel just a bit more stable. If you were looking at buying one or the other it would primarily come down to whether you like the feel of the BMW Boxer engine vs. the Guzzi V twin.
Summary
The V85 really is a great bike. If you are giving any consideration at all to an Adventure bike you owe it to yourself to ride one. As you can see from my comments I found very few faults with the bike. One reason to wait on a purchase is to see what other bike variants this engine shows up in. It’s just too good to be relegated to only one bike.
I’m not sure if there is one in my future or not. Currently two things are in the way: 1) I need to sell a bike to make room (My Harley will be going on the block this week). 2) I need to sit on one with the low seat installed. The reach to the ground may be more than I want to live with on a touring bike.
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Did you try to remove the two rubber spacers underneath the stock seat and give that a try? The demo V85 I rode had them removed and it made a difference (I also sat on another with the spacers in place). I do have the lower seat on order, but the dealer has yet to see it.
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Thanks for the review. :thumb:
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good info
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Did you try to remove the two rubber spacers underneath the stock seat and give that a try? The V85 had them removed and it made a difference (I also sat on another with the spacers in place). I do have the lower seat on order, but the dealer has yet to see it.
Wasn't aware of that option.
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What a great review, thank you! I am excited to try one.
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Good report mate.
It’s too late for me anyway but appreciate the chance to read what I can. From what I found on my two rides, I’d say you are right on the money.. :thumb:
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Nice report.
Any competent seat maker should be able to fix the seating issue, and if pillion is not an issue you can gain a bit of fore/aft room.
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I have hit the age where I will want/need a lighter bike than Blu in a few years. I am super stoked about where this engine will find new applications. They could build a family around this. We need a new Norge-style version next. If it comes in around 525lbs, it would be a real possibility for me.
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Mike, thanks for the extensive test ride report. You were in a great area to test the new bike!
I got to ride one last Sunday, for a short ride compared to yours, and feel you have done a really good service to the community conveying your impressions. I do have one question for you. Having experienced a lot of bikes, how did you perceive the "feel" of the V85 motor compared to non-Guzzi V twins and parallel twins? Then how about to the other big block and small block Guzzi's you've ridden?
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Mike, thanks for the extensive test ride report. You were in a great area to test the new bike!
.....Having experienced a lot of bikes, how did you perceive the "feel" of the V85 motor compared to non-Guzzi V twins and parallel twins? Then how about to the other big block and small block Guzzi's you've ridden?
The motor is very smooth but still feels like a Guzzi. Not quite as smooth as a Boxer engine, but still not bad. Power delivery similar to the Triumph T100, just more of it. Overall manners are much better than my 821 Monster (doesn't have the noticeable power jump at high revs). About as different from a Sportster engine as an air-cooled V twin could be (which begs the question - why won't Harley sell a Sportster with similar power?).
It feels a lot like other small block Guzzis, with the exception of the added power. Performance is closer to a big block, but not as visceral. I would be interested in a comparison from someone who is familiar with the older 850 big blocks, since I've never ridden one.
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Sounds like a very fulfilling day on the new bike! I'm guessing you took it out over the Twisted Sisters for a bit of fun too!
NIce write up indeed.
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Did the big block 850 make as much power?
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Did the big block 850 make as much power?
No.
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Really sad how far that magazine has fallen since the staff change.
Guzzi fan or not their comments are almost as laughable as the Flying Fortress review when the editor mentioned he struggled to get that bike off the side stand. Hit the gym, punk!
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MCN review of the V85TT seemed reasonable, theis comment was in summary...
That said, the V85 TT boasts looks that the GS and KTM could only hope to achieve, capturing 80s retro charm, alongside superb build quality. Everywhere you look, the Guzzi feels like a quality product and there are no panel gaps or cheap plastics to contend with.
What’s more the tubular steel frame and tubing that surrounds the clock housing make the bike feel rugged and capable and you can’t help but feel special when you ride it.
most readers consider it a bad review if it doesn't agree with own opinions... :wink: :grin:
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Mcn does not give Guzzi a fair shake. I’ve been a subscriber on and off again for over 20 years. They ripped almost every Guzzi they tried in that time. I’m not a Pollyanna, but neither am I a hack, unfortunately mcn has an axe to grind when it comes to Guzzi, which is weird because I’m certain an inordinate number of subscribers own Guzzi.
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Motorcycle Consumer News-not MCN web site
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And I get what you're saying about if a review coincides with one's personal feelings-but it's simply not possible to get with the new Motorcycle Consumer news crew and reviews. They ALL read like crap. YMMV, as always.
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Mcn does not give Guzzi a fair shake. I’ve been a subscriber on and off again for over 20 years. They ripped almost every Guzzi they tried in that time. I’m not a Pollyanna, but neither am I a hack, unfortunately mcn has an axe to grind when it comes to Guzzi, which is weird because I’m certain an inordinate number of subscribers own Guzzi.
You shouldn’t really grind an axe by rights.. :rolleyes:
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Look at the bio's of the reviewers. Ex - racers. Probably 40ish or less. So, not surprising they did not find the bike's performance inspiring but loved the KTM in the next article. If they want to be more reflective of their readership, they should have at least a person in their mid 50s or up also ride and review. If you cut through and read between the lines, in my opinion only, I think they hit on a lot of the points they consider negatives that make the bike great for me personally. Too soft springing - most reviews I have seen on this site and a few professional ones say the opposite and I find it firm, but like it as is. I don't want a twitchy mostly dirt oriented bike. I want a mostly street bike that I can ride on a gravel road a few times a year. I see shaft drive as an advantage where they see it as adding extra weight and making the handling less than it could be.
It's only a matter of perspective. I used to admire MCN, but have not subscribed for years. This was the first article I had seen in probably 10 years and it reads closer to an 80s version of Cycle World where dyno numbers and quarter mile times were the be all and end all.
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I pretty much stopped reading all the mags when it got to the point they were just telling you what new wizbang thing a bike didn't have... Don't tell me its a crappy bike just because of some new tech that another bike has...
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By Abhi on Bike-urious Daily Digest,
https://www.bike-urious.com/2020-moto-guzzi-v85-tt-day-1/
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Dusty
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News from Germany:
Oil loss on the rear axle transmission on various customer motorcycles has now prompted Piaggio to initiate a voluntary recall of the Enduro V85 TT.
Best
Lars