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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: troyhamilton on April 19, 2019, 09:30:15 AM

Title: Marushu lilac 250
Post by: troyhamilton on April 19, 2019, 09:30:15 AM
could this be where the v twin guzzis came from?
https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/2061199857513899/
Title: Re: Marushu lilac 250
Post by: Tusayan on April 19, 2019, 09:40:08 AM
A more likely model for the Guzzi shaft driven longitudinal crank v-twin is the Indian 841.  There are others, Guzzis mid-60s design was not an original or unique configuration, it was just a convenient way to build a motorcycle utilizing car technology to last 100K km for the Italian government.
Title: Re: Marushu lilac 250
Post by: pete roper on April 19, 2019, 05:31:27 PM
The Lilac V-Twin was essentially a copy of the Victoria-Bergermeister from Germany but much, much more horrid. I know. I used to own five of them!
Title: Re: Marushu lilac 250
Post by: Moto on April 19, 2019, 06:45:45 PM
I think the case for the 1953 Lambretta 250 GP Racer as the immediate model for Guzzi's later v-twin is the strongest. Googling will get you to the story.

Moto
Title: Re: Marushu lilac 250
Post by: n3303j on April 19, 2019, 06:57:37 PM

(https://i.ibb.co/SRnb15s/Screenshot-2019-04-19-18-52-10.png) (https://ibb.co/SRnb15s)

They fixed the abnormalities in later machines.
Title: Re: Marushu lilac 250
Post by: pete roper on April 19, 2019, 07:08:25 PM
Quote from: n3303j on April 19, 2019, 06:57:37 PM

(https://i.ibb.co/SRnb15s/Screenshot-2019-04-19-18-52-10.png) (https://ibb.co/SRnb15s)

They fixed the abnormalities in later machines.

No they didn't! The flat twins were horrible as well!  :evil:
Title: Re: Marushu lilac 250
Post by: JukeboxGothic on April 20, 2019, 12:32:58 AM
Um Yeh. Look up AJS S3 from 1931. Brough did one as well and probably a few others I cant remember off hand. P and M (Phelon and Moore) Panthette 1926, a 250.
Title: Re: Marushu lilac 250
Post by: Sasquatch Jim on April 20, 2019, 07:00:31 AM
 I very nearly bought aMarushu 500 twin in 1965.  They were considered (at the time) to be a good looking BMW.
 Flat twin and just as quiet and very smooth.
Title: Re: Marushu lilac 250
Post by: JohninVT on April 20, 2019, 07:04:34 AM
Victoria Bergmeister’s are beautiful. 

(https://i.ibb.co/nLpyHPg/01809-B00-538-E-4-DC2-BDCB-976-F1-B13-C96-E.jpg) (https://ibb.co/nLpyHPg)
Title: Re: Marushu lilac 250
Post by: Aaron D. on April 20, 2019, 08:24:21 AM
Indian also made some.
Title: Re: Marushu lilac 250
Post by: Antietam Classic Cycle on April 20, 2019, 12:32:20 PM
Quote from: JukeboxGothic on April 20, 2019, 12:32:58 AM
Um Yeh. Look up AJS S3 from 1931. Brough did one as well and probably a few others I cant remember off hand. P and M (Phelon and Moore) Panthette 1926, a 250.

AJS
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/ff/AJS_S3_V-twin_1933.JPG/300px-AJS_S3_V-twin_1933.JPG)

Panthette
(https://motorcycles-for-sale.biz/img/motorcyclephotos/full/motorbike422432.jpg)

Both of those had chain final drive though.

As Tusayan wrote, I really do think the one that possibly influenced Guzzi would have been the Indian 841. There could have been some left in Italy after WWII and Carcano et al could have seen them. But, Guzzi built two 90 degree v-twins prior to the V7/V700 - the one meant for a Fiat car and the other in the "Mechanical Mule" 3x3 military vehicle.