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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: Rough Edge racing on June 10, 2019, 10:54:01 AM
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I change my own bikes tires and occasionally do it for friend...So...there's always a few unwanted tires hanging around....I cut the beads on both sides with a bolt cutter in three or four locations like cuting a pie...Then using a recip saw with a 12 tooth metal blade, I cut the ties into sections...They go into a garbage bag and I take them to the landfill with our household trash ( we don't have trash pick up)...The sign at the landfill says "No Tires" and a image of a round complete tire...Mine are in pieces and aren't the bury problem of whole tires.......And they won't be the only non degradeable crap in the landfill. And cutting the tires is a good workout....
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Thats a good way of dealing with those smaller tires.
I remember they used to burn the old tires in the cement kilns back in the 70's.
What to do with em now?
(https://i1299.photobucket.com/albums/ag77/Penderic/Penderic009/tires_zpsoukwji4t.jpg)
:huh: "Maybe make half of em into speed bumps?"
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I used to work at a dealer, and we had them picked up all the time.. Now I dont, but my local transfer station takes them. Its like 2-3 bucks. Cheap enough for me.
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2 bucks per tire here. Doesn't matter what size.
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The local motorcycle dealer used to take mine. Charged me $3 each. Mom & Pop place. They retired.
We also have a place here called "Tire Shredders" and they will also take them - for a small fee.
They grind them up and there's a small power plant somewhere around there that will switch over and burn them, on occasion - but they gotta have a huge amount to justify the cost of the changeover.
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I dump mine at the HD dealership after midnight.
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"THEY" could thermally depolymerize them back into oil. To expensive I imagine. I think they grind them up to add to asphalt for roads and running tracks,
things like driveway surface and toolbox mats.
Lets get started on sorting that pile....you first!
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I've done the same - cut them into two or three pieces for the dump. They're not tires anymore but rubber scrap.
Didn't they build earth houses with old tires?
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I gladly pay the $2 for m/c tires to be recycled into whatever. Car tires are $4 and can get up to $20 for big tractor tires. Then you have ole Bubba that just tosses them in the ditch and us taxpayers pay to pick them up. GRRRR.
Tex
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I now have tires installed by the bike shop because I can't be bothered. It also helps them stay in business I suppose. :laugh:
I feel like things that have a disposal path that doesn't end at the landfill need to be reused or recycled properly. We fill our recycle bin far quicker than the trash bin and often I need to borrow one from a nearby residence that is under construction and not being used.
I may not be a tree hugger but I will go out of my way to keep the planet usable for a bit longer.
Hunter
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My town dump takes them for $3 per tire any tire. A recycling company picks them up.
Larry
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Local Honda dealer is a mile up the road. I don't mind paying the few bucks he charges. They never give me grief with inspections. If there is a problem they let me take the bike home and fix it myself. Not 25 bucks to change a lightbulb.
Pete
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Here in Sydney it can cost up to $6 (AUD) at the tip. Somewhat steep. If you've a little land, you can pile a few up, with a little soil, a lot of straw, and layer in seed potatoes or other tubers. Better with car tyres. 3 or 4 bike tyres are a good home for strawberries. The only difficulty is that the women don't seem to appreciate lumps of black in the garden. You can paint them, but the paint doesn't last. If you're lucky, the greenery will cascade over the sides, quickly.
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I gladly pay the $2 for m/c tires to be recycled into whatever. Car tires are $4 and can get up to $20 for big tractor tires. Then you have ole Bubba that just tosses them in the ditch and us taxpayers pay to pick them up. GRRRR.
Tex
Around here, the farmer gets to pick them up, along with the occasional dead TV, mattress, washing machine, roofing material, etc. :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
Of course, this was a different time, but the old man held a guy at gun point until the county sheriff could get there when he caught the guy dumping junk in our side ditch. :grin:
The judge told the guy he could go to jail on the weekends or spend the summer weekends picking trash out of the sideditches.
True story.
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I dump mine at the HD dealership after midnight.
That’s a fairly serious misdemeanor where I live, check for cameras 😂
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A guy down the road has a covert bike/atv repair business he runs out of garage...Last fall my wife's ATV needed rear tires, so I rode over there and ordered tires..The price was just ok ..I left off the ATV and he mounts the tires. I go back down to pay him and to ride back the ATV...The damn old tires are on the rear rack..I tell him I don't want the bald ass tires..he says he can't get rid of them, of course it's BS..Two more tires I cut up...
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Around here, the farmer gets to pick them up, along with the occasional dead TV, mattress, washing machine, roofing material, etc. :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
Of course, this was a different time, but the old man held a guy at gun point until the county sheriff could get there when he caught the guy dumping junk in our side ditch. :grin:
The judge told the guy he could go to jail on the weekends or spend the summer weekends picking trash out of the sideditches.
True story.
We had the same problem at the back farm in VT in the late 80's. so Gramp started locking a chain across the drive. Didn't help. "They" started cutting tires on equipment, cutting the chain and dumping more, etc. so he started driving up to check. Gram rode with him, just in case. We had an old trailer up there next to the pond that we had used when swimming. Well, one night ithe neighboring farmer's daughter was recreating in the trailer with her boyfriend. Gramp told them to get dressed and come out. They said "F--- off old man- mind your own business.."
So Gramp walked in on them, took their clothes and went back outside. He told them to tell them some names about who was dumping and wrecking equipment and he would give them their clothes. She told him the same thing again & to give back their clothes... Wrong answer.
Gramp told my grandmother to go get the Sheriff. She wasn't keen on leaving him. he told her they were naked and he had both their clothes & a gun, so he doubted they would cause any problems. Sheriff came, some good info was shared and things got a little better. The dumping stopped for quite a while and a bunch of us had lots of laughs over that for quite a while.
Tires here are free to dispose of 2-3 at a time at the landfill, then a few dollars each after that.
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The audacity of criminals never fails to amaze me.
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Tires are ground into crumb rubber that is added to asphalt and turned into a polymer found in many asphalt sealers. I'd rather see something get put to use, be it an old motorcycle, or a recyclable. Cutting up a tire to hide it in a landfill doesn't do anybody any good.
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There's an Australian company called Green Distillation Technologies who have developed a process involving distillation processing old tyres to recover oil, carbon and steel.
As an aside I wonder how many tons of rubber worn off as vehicles traverse the roads are washed into creeks etc - quite a lot I imagine.
Glenn
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If your tires still have a little life left in them 1000, 1500 miles or so, consider donating them to a local shop for someone who may be in a pinch financially or having a bit of bad luck etc, who would love to have them till they can do better. The shop makes a few bucks installing them, tires at little to no cost... Spread the Karma.
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Our county landfill (Ontario Co. NY) takes old tires IF the sidewalls are cut out. While most larger establishments have recyclers pick up scrap tires, the old Mom and Pop shop I used to work for would cut all discarded tires up by hand, with a utility knife, then put them in the dumpster. A nasty dirty job which usually fell to the petroleum transfer engineers. I still cut my old tires up and put them in with the rest of the garbage.
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You could fill them with water and use them for mosquito nurseries. Add a few drops of oil to make them feel welcome.
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I go to my local shop, let them change the tires. They charge me a couple bucks for disposal, aka, there's a truck that comes by about once a month and picks up the old rubber and hauls them away for recycling.
I generally just bring in a dismounted wheel so all they have to do is dismount the old tire, mount the new tire, and balance. If I buy the tire from them, that service is free. I've done the math, last tire I bought there I could have gotten cheaper someplace online, but by the time I had it shipped to me, then add in a mount/balance fee... the difference was less than $10 and they had the tire I wanted in house. Since I brought them the wheel... no appointment needed, and the whole job took them about 15 minutes and they even put the wheel back into my truck for me... but then, this is why they get my business.
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Tires are ground into crumb rubber that is added to asphalt and turned into a polymer found in many asphalt sealers. I'd rather see something get put to use, be it an old motorcycle, or a recyclable. Cutting up a tire to hide it in a landfill doesn't do anybody any good.
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I haul all of mine to the main Washington Co. landfill in Hagerstown, $3 per tire. They're loaded into a semi trailer and from there I'm not sure where they go.
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I change my own bikes tires and occasionally do it for friend...So...there's always a few unwanted tires hanging around....I cut the beads on both sides with a bolt cutter in three or four locations like cuting a pie...Then using a recip saw with a 12 tooth metal blade, I cut the ties into sections...They go into a garbage bag and I take them to the landfill with our household trash ( we don't have trash pick up)...The sign at the landfill says "No Tires" and a image of a round complete tire...Mine are in pieces and aren't the bury problem of whole tires.......And they won't be the only non degradeable crap in the landfill. And cutting the tires is a good workout....
put the old tires in a fire pit and burn them works for me
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Our county burns trash and makes electricity that we then sell back to the grid. It was a somewhat poor decision that we will live with for decades. I am also fond of cutting up an occasional tire and putting it in the regular trash. I don't know where the bulk of the tires go but the wife is keen on using a rubber mulch product for the blueberries that is made from old tires. I will be curious to see how it holds up over time. Mike
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In Arizona, you HAVE to pay $4 per tire for a disposal fee, which is o.k., but WHY are there then so many USED tire shops around??
I think we are being conned..
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If your tires still have a little life left in them 1000, 1500 miles or so, consider donating them to a local shop for someone who may be in a pinch financially or having a bit of bad luck etc, who would love to have them till they can do better. The shop makes a few bucks installing them, tires at little to no cost... Spread the Karma.
The shop that changes my bike tires (the ones I don't change myself, sometimes I'm lazy) puts them outside and people take them and use them. The last one I put out was right down to the wear bars, 1/32" inch tread left but someone could've got a few hundred more miles out of it.
I think it's the "Biker Boyz" source for tires to do spectacular smoky burnouts. We say "Geez, that guy just burned up a $200 tire" but if it was free to begin with .... !
Lannis
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Interesting story. Seems an enterprising person had a business where by he would pick up used tires from all the local shops for $1 a tire. He was renting a house, and filled the entire house, basement to attic with 40,000 tires. Made $40K and split, leaving the mess for the landlord.
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I operate a recycling facility for the county where I live. We take auto and light truck tires (and smaller) for $1 each for residents of the county. They are shredded to different specifications depending on the end user. In some states, if your trash is going to the landfill, you can quarter a tire (cut into four pieces) and place in your trash. That's a little easier said than done, depending on your equipment. If your trash is going to an incinerator, you can place the tire with your regular trash. Check local listings!
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Interesting story. Seems an enterprising person had a business where by he would pick up used tires from all the local shops for $1 a tire. He was renting a house, and filled the entire house, basement to attic with 40,000 tires. Made $40K and split, leaving the mess for the landlord.
That story has (to me) less to do with tires and more to do with why I would NEVER EVER own rental property!
Lannis
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dispose properly pay the couple bucks to make sure they wind up where they should, oil same there is auto parts stores that will recycle oil for free.
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dispose properly pay the couple bucks to make sure they wind up where they should, oil same there is auto parts stores that will recycle oil for free.
I hate to think about how much oil we poured down old groundhog holes back in the day before we realized that wasn't a good thing ....
Tractors, cars, motorcycles, equipment ... I carry probably 10 gallons of oil every couple months to the local Advance Auto store, dump it in their recycle tank, and sign the sheet ....
Lannis
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There's an Australian company called Green Distillation Technologies who have developed a process involving distillation processing old tyres to recover oil, carbon and steel.
As an aside I wonder how many tons of rubber worn off as vehicles traverse the roads are washed into creeks etc - quite a lot I imagine.
Glenn
If the government would subsidize this, it could take a problem waste and convert it into a clean energy which would help reduce polution. same thing with unrecyclable plastics. But we can't because that is socialism. So the government pays farmers to grow corn to turn into ethanol to add to gas that no one wants (and have to remove by shaking in a glass jar of water). But somehow that is OK?
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Didn't they build earth houses with old tires?
Yes. I remember hearing a lot about it in the '70s and '80s the "tamped earth" / "rammed earth" crowd was using tires to build houses. I guess some of the "earthship" crowd in Northern New Mexico use tires:
(http://aribe.net/uploads/fotos/eco-earthship-house_412_800_533.jpg)
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If the government would subsidize this, it could take a problem waste and convert it into a clean energy which would help reduce polution. same thing with unrecyclable plastics. But we can't because that is socialism. So the government pays farmers to grow corn to turn into ethanol to add to gas that no one wants (and have to remove by shaking in a glass jar of water). But somehow that is OK?
No, it's very far from OK, but there's so much money in it that we pretend it's OK....
Hence all the ethanol threads....
Lannis
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In some states, if your trash is going to the landfill, you can quarter a tire (cut into four pieces) and place in your trash. That's a little easier said than done, depending on your equipment.
Metal Munchers work great,generally the notcher part..
(https://i.ibb.co/XpHDqzJ/tire-recycle.jpg) (https://ibb.co/XpHDqzJ)
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I've taken a tour of the earth ship homes, the last time I was in Taos. It's absolutely a thing of genius how these things are designed.
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I've taken a tour of the earth ship homes, the last time I was in Taos. It's absolutely a thing of genius how these things are designed.
I saw some of those when we rode through Taos last fall.
They sure do look like hell. Where does the design genius part show up in livability, heat/cool efficiency, longevity, or whatever the reasoning is behind them?
Lannis
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I saw some of those when we rode through Taos last fall.
They sure do look like hell. Where does the design genius part show up in livability, heat/cool efficiency, longevity, or whatever the reasoning is behind them?
Lannis
Yep. Most of them are free form works of "art". Architectural nightmares. The genius comes in the way they're heated and cooled.
The reasoning behind them is recycling/re-purposing materials. Using natural materials. Using Passive Solar heating.
They work well in their high-desert climate with low humidity and large (30-40 degree) temperature swings during the day, and the summer temps that are usually no higher than low 80s.
I've seen, and stayed in, a few houses that use some of the same principles, but have a more traditional look. I like them better.
On this house pictured below, at 8,000 feet just west of Taos, the left wall faces south, so can be used for solar heat gain. There is no air conditioning. There is a small wood stove, but it's only needed on the coldest days. Even when sitting empty in January, inside temperature doesn't drop below 40-degrees. The right wall, which faces north is 4-5 feet below grade. Construction is adobe bricks above grade. Cast concrete below grade. Concrete floor. Really thick insulated ceiling/flat roof under the pitched tin roof.
(https://photos.smugmug.com/Animals/2016-September-19-New-Mexico/i-hWprmbh/0/2a55c198/M/IMG_1956-M.jpg)
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Maybe a good recapping process would work.
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Easy....around here , in a big employee parking lot, those with pickup trucks, they go out after work and find someone gifted a tire, old TV, or a nasty recliner, etc in the bed.
Ditto big box stores lot.
They seem to cover their plate and know where cameras are. :violent1:
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Yep. Most of them are free form works of "art". Architectural nightmares. The genius comes in the way they're heated and cooled.
The reasoning behind them is recycling/re-purposing materials. Using natural materials. Using Passive Solar heating.
When Fay and I were touring around San Diego a few years back, we were in a couple of very nice adobe-built traditional Southwest courtyard homes. The rooms, some of which were connected together inside and some only by the front door under a porch, opening to the courtyard, were very cool during the day and warm at night, as the days heat soaked through the VERY thick adobe walls.
Adobe is as natural a building material as you can find, and the heating/cooling principles have been known and used for hundreds of years. Unless you just want to be known as eccentric and tragically hip, I don't see why one of those wouldn't be nicer, as natural, as cool, and as easy to build as one of these things made out of tires and bottles and Van Camp's bean cans .... ?
But that's just me.
Lannis
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The west had many towns where the locals had houses made of adobe that you could heat and cool for little cost. Then the government decided to "help" these folks by giving them Jim Walters prefab houses that are next to heat or cool.
IMHO tire disposal. should be free. That would keep loads of tires from being tossed on empty lots and ditches.
Tex
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When Fay and I were touring around San Diego a few years back, we were in a couple of very nice adobe-built traditional Southwest courtyard homes. The rooms, some of which were connected together inside and some only by the front door under a porch, opening to the courtyard, were very cool during the day and warm at night, as the days heat soaked through the VERY thick adobe walls.
Adobe is as natural a building material as you can find, and the heating/cooling principles have been known and used for hundreds of years. Unless you just want to be known as eccentric and tragically hip, I don't see why one of those wouldn't be nicer, as natural, as cool, and as easy to build as one of these things made out of tires and bottles and Van Camp's bean cans .... ?
But that's just me.
Lannis
I agree. I like the idea of the "earthship", but the executions are mostly horrible. There's no reason they can't give them normal/traditional facades. Clean lines and good symetry. They just don't want to. Have to remain dyphrent.
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I stack em up progressively & grow spuds (in compost & straw) in mine, the stack growing progressively, along with the plant, over spring/summer. I've had a 50kg crop of Brownells & Tasmans from a single plant! Less for Kipflers. Keeping both plant & swelling tubers off the ground partially insulates a crop of new Bismarks, meaning that I have on occasion had an excellent but small harvest of tender new spuds even in midwinter.
Old tyres are also the basic building blocks for Earthship builders too. As this construction technique becomes more & more popular, this in addition to the 'soft-fall' playground materials processing and other recycling techniques means that there should realistically be little to no need for diversion to landfill any more, at least in wealthier western economies. I respectfully suggest that if you continue to irresponsibly dump this hazardous material inappropriately then perhaps you should reconsider your actions.
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As this construction technique becomes more & more popular, this in addition to the 'soft-fall' playground materials processing and other recycling techniques means that there should realistically be little to no need for diversion to landfill any more, at least in wealthier western economies.
I'm all for not taking the tires to the landfill, and in "principle" we should be able to use them for something, but (speaking realistically) I know of no one who will take my old tires and grow spuds or build houses with them. If there was such a person, he'd be welcome to them ....
Lannis
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The earthships use Adobe techniques combined with modern materials ( tires and bottles etc) The tires are packed with earth and stacked.