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Title: NGC is the GT 1000 sport the ugliest Ducati ever built?
Post by: Yukonica on July 31, 2019, 09:43:13 PM
Ducati 2007 Sport Classic GT1000 for sale in Whitehorse. Asking price (cough) $8500.
Know that it hasn't been ridden hard. (I know the family). Pretty sure it was stored outside under a tarp in winter.
Realistic street value? $5k range?
Can't imagine it being a classic but who knows? I didn't think a 350 two stroke would be a classic either.
Fodder for a cafe at a realistic price, walk away, invest like it is a 900SS?


Title: Re: NGC is the GT 1000 sport the ugliest Ducati ever built?
Post by: LowRyter on July 31, 2019, 09:48:15 PM
Funny, another thread is swooning all over the Beemer 9T line and Ducati built this line of bikes a dozen years ago.  They are nicely styled retro bikes and have kept their value. 

So BMW and Ducati are selling retro bikes just as Guzzi was discontinuing the originals?    :angel:
Title: Re: NGC is the GT 1000 sport the ugliest Ducati ever built?
Post by: Yukonica on July 31, 2019, 10:38:40 PM
Funny, another thread is swooning all over the Beemer 9T line and Ducati built this line of bike a dozen years ago.  They are nicely styled retro bikes and have kept their value. 

So BMW and Ducati are selling retro bikes just as Guzzi was discontinuing the originals?    :angel:

This is one of those bikes built a dozen years back: 2007.
The rear wheel looks tiny. Out of proportion to the space available for the rear fender and shocks.
Like a 'super moto' back-end welded on to a sport frame. Could be my sensibility; but the thing lacks symmetry.
Title: Re: NGC is the GT 1000 sport the ugliest Ducati ever built?
Post by: CT Dharma on July 31, 2019, 11:15:17 PM
NGC is the GT 1000 sport the ugliest Ducati ever built? - in a word, yes!
Title: Re: NGC is the GT 1000 sport the ugliest Ducati ever built?
Post by: TodkaVonic on August 01, 2019, 12:17:33 AM
Asking prices look to be $9-12K. https://www.cycletrader.com/Ducati-Gt/motorcycles-for-sale?make=Ducati%7C2316082&model=GT%7C764948563. Recent sale (bringatrailer.com) at $7300. Your friend is asking what he wants and will probably get a bit less. $5K is a low-ball offer, but who knows, ask him and see what happens.

Here's mine.

(https://i.ibb.co/y4FR9PK/A274-D922-1676-4-C68-A3-C6-D9197-AA0-F969.jpg) (https://ibb.co/y4FR9PK)


Not a gt1000, but still a sport classic. Maybe the people who congregate around it whilst parked and who often take photos are doing so because it's just so darn ugly?

 :grin:
Nate
Title: Re: NGC is the GT 1000 sport the ugliest Ducati ever built?
Post by: s1120 on August 01, 2019, 05:55:44 AM
This is one of those bikes built a dozen years back: 2007.
The rear wheel looks tiny. Out of proportion to the space available for the rear fender and shocks.
Like a 'super moto' back-end welded on to a sport frame. Could be my sensibility; but the thing lacks symmetry.

Ive never seen one before... but ya, that rear wheel looks like some one spliced on a late 70's motocross rear swingarm and shocks to it...   Strange.. 
Title: Re: NGC is the GT 1000 sport the ugliest Ducati ever built?
Post by: blu guzz on August 01, 2019, 06:01:35 AM
the paul smart model is an exception as you probably know. 
Title: Re: NGC is the GT 1000 sport the ugliest Ducati ever built?
Post by: Devildog on August 01, 2019, 06:14:19 AM
The Diavel gets my vote.
Title: Re: NGC is the GT 1000 sport the ugliest Ducati ever built?
Post by: tazio on August 01, 2019, 06:21:18 AM
GT1000 Sport the ugliest Ducati??
Not even close.
Title: Re: NGC is the GT 1000 sport the ugliest Ducati ever built?
Post by: Travman on August 01, 2019, 06:23:57 AM
The tank was way to big, the exhaust were ugly and didn’t look right, and the a$$ was too high in the air like a sport bike. I wanted to like these, but I saw these up close next to the real deal and there was no comparison. If you are going to do retro, you have to do it right.
Title: Re: NGC is the GT 1000 sport the ugliest Ducati ever built?
Post by: Antietam Classic Cycle on August 01, 2019, 08:18:32 AM
Which one(s) had the fake engine covers made to look like a Bevel engine's sump? Fugly...
Title: Re: NGC is the GT 1000 sport the ugliest Ducati ever built?
Post by: Tusayan on August 01, 2019, 08:19:45 AM
The Ducati retro line was produced in a time when they’d run out of both new ideas and good stylists.  These bikes also had unresolved problems with plastic fuel tanks, some bikes having had several replaced under warranty.  However a lot of people liked them, driving the prices up in a bubble.  Now they’re coming down again.

I’d prefer either a real bevel Ducati (and have one) or a 1990s SS (likewise).  The latter are cheap to buy and a bargain.  Also you’re not riding a replica of another bike.

The Indiana is uglier.
Title: Re: NGC is the GT 1000 sport the ugliest Ducati ever built?
Post by: jpv7 on August 01, 2019, 08:39:56 AM
The Diavel gets my vote.
+1 nastiest looking Duc
Title: Re: NGC is the GT 1000 sport the ugliest Ducati ever built?
Post by: jpv7 on August 01, 2019, 08:47:01 AM
The Ducati retro line was produced in a time when they’d run out of both new ideas and good stylists.  These bikes also had unresolved problems with plastic fuel tanks, some bikes having had several replaced under warranty.  However a lot of people liked them, driving the prices up in a bubble.  Now they’re coming down again.

I’d prefer either a real bevel Ducati (and have one) or a 1990s SS (likewise).  The latter are cheap to buy and a bargain.  Also you’re not riding a replica of another bike.

The Indiana is uglier.
+1.  I sold a '97 900SS/SP with flat slides and regret it. 

I bought a 2007 Monster S2R1000, and I remember looking at the classics at the time.  For the same money, or a little more, the classics offered cheap, non-adjustable suspension, inferior calipers and tubed spoked wheels.  So I went with the Monster which was fine.  It's crazy now that the classics are going for over 10k up here...

Yes, the plastic tanks swelled, and Ducati warrantied them for a while.  But the replacements did the same.  If they are drained and dryed out, they go back to original shape (apparently).  Also, ethanol caused failed fuel lines in the tanks of these bikes.  My friends did just that.
Title: Re: NGC is the GT 1000 sport the ugliest Ducati ever built?
Post by: LowRyter on August 01, 2019, 09:44:36 AM
I just thought I'd mention my experience on a Ducati forum where I was chastised about talking about my Guzzis (and Suzuki) there.  There are about 6 regulars on the forum and I suppose they needed to minimize all the chatter.   :whip2:

Title: Re: NGC is the GT 1000 sport the ugliest Ducati ever built?
Post by: JeffOlson on August 01, 2019, 09:58:40 AM
I think the GT 1000 is one of the best-looking Ducatis ever. Apparently, so, too, do many others. Look at the prices for them!
Title: Re: NGC is the GT 1000 sport the ugliest Ducati ever built?
Post by: Rusnak_322 on August 01, 2019, 10:51:17 AM
Granted, not the BEST looking Ducati (916 and 1098 look better), but not the worst. I would love to have one.

(https://cdn.bringatrailer.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/04/2007_ducati_sport_1000s_15555961809f98764daDuc009-940x626.jpg)

and as others have said -
look at the Diavel, the Streedfighter, the original Multistrada and the Panigale as examples of recent ugly bikes

Title: Re: NGC is the GT 1000 sport the ugliest Ducati ever built?
Post by: TDF on August 01, 2019, 12:45:14 PM
If you think the GT1000 is the ugliest ever you've obviously not seen the Indiana.

Indiana gets my vote for ugliest.  I never really minded the GT1000's, and the other sport classics.  They kind of fall in the middle of the road for me.  I could live with one if I could get into it cheaply.  That hasn't happened, and I doubt it will, as they really seem to be able to hold their value.

TDF
Title: Re: NGC is the GT 1000 sport the ugliest Ducati ever built?
Post by: Lumpy Idle on August 01, 2019, 01:09:11 PM
The Diavel gets my vote.

mine too.
Title: Re: NGC is the GT 1000 sport the ugliest Ducati ever built?
Post by: Rusnak_322 on August 01, 2019, 02:14:46 PM
(https://oemducati.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/2003-1.jpg)

Title: Re: NGC is the GT 1000 sport the ugliest Ducati ever built?
Post by: fotoguzzi on August 01, 2019, 02:51:49 PM
Is my Ducati in the ugly pile?

(https://photos.smugmug.com/Ducati/i-tJGR72s/0/18eff4fa/S/IMG_0052-S.jpg) (https://fotoguzzi.smugmug.com/Ducati/i-tJGR72s/A)

I must say it out performs and bike I ever had.
Title: Re: NGC is the GT 1000 sport the ugliest Ducati ever built?
Post by: rocker59 on August 01, 2019, 03:11:54 PM
GT1000 Sport the ugliest Ducati??
Not even close.

Until recent years, Indiana held  that award.

(https://i1.wp.com/www.bike-urious.com/wp-content/uploads/Ducati-Indiana-Right-Side-1.jpg?fit=839%2C503&ssl=1)

Now, though, there are several in the current lineup that beat even the lowly Indiana.

Diavel.  :puke

(https://images.ctfassets.net/x7j9qwvpvr5s/2bFLGgDaE8iKwKGq2QikaU/ed546aab2d0fdb1bc1b5e5af67f0ae15/Diavel-1260-S-MY19-Ambience-08-Gallery-1920x1080.jpg)
Title: Re: NGC is the GT 1000 sport the ugliest Ducati ever built?
Post by: Muzz on August 01, 2019, 05:19:43 PM
Until recent years, Indiana held  that award.

(https://i1.wp.com/www.bike-urious.com/wp-content/uploads/Ducati-Indiana-Right-Side-1.jpg?fit=839%2C503&ssl=1)


Thank goodness we didn't get them down here!!!! :shocked:

THAT is FUGLY!!!
Title: Re: NGC is the GT 1000 sport the ugliest Ducati ever built?
Post by: guzzista on August 01, 2019, 06:45:47 PM
While the bingo crowd was discussing the looks of the Ducati Sportclassic,  I was enjoying my brilliant Ducati GT1000 on the backroads around Mt Tamalpais and not worrying much about its looks.  Far superior bike than any of the bevels I have owned   Lets face it , you might not like the looks of this bike or that bike, but in the end when you are riding it the way it feels, performs way outdoes its looks ( GS riders already know that or perhaps should think about it) . It so happens that the Italians to a great degree  have set a pretty high benchmark on stylish motorbikes for a long time and not all of said bikes are apogees of their design capabilities. As per the saying : there is no accounting for taste. The rest is well... fuggedabout it. Perhaps some folks should spend more time riding and less time on the computer
Title: Re: NGC is the GT 1000 sport the ugliest Ducati ever built?
Post by: Turin on August 01, 2019, 08:15:45 PM
I think they are nice looking. The problem I have with the sport classics is the shape of the back of the gas tank. It really digs into your thighs.

Title: Re: NGC is the GT 1000 sport the ugliest Ducati ever built?
Post by: TodkaVonic on August 01, 2019, 09:01:42 PM
A) thanks for pointing out the Indiana. I hadn't heard of that. It's not something I'd necessarily be interested in, but, you know what? Someone made one of them pretty damn cool looking


(https://i.ibb.co/0CKBjSs/143542-C8-B8-C4-443-A-82-FA-D83-BE76-E0124.png) (https://ibb.co/0CKBjSs)


B) before the Paul smart, my first Ducati was a diavel. It was crazy fast (0-60 in 2.6 seconds?!?) and comfortable and refined and sounded terrific and...as much as it should, it didn't really do it for me. While I'm of the opinion that it's a far cry from Ducati's most ugly bike (Indiana...I'm still looking at you), I can see how people may not like the styling.

C) fugly is a word that shouldn't be used in any context, ever, under any circumstances. Just say ugly.

Nate
Title: Re: NGC is the GT 1000 sport the ugliest Ducati ever built?
Post by: Antietam Classic Cycle on August 01, 2019, 09:36:30 PM
C) fugly is a word that shouldn't be used in any context, ever, under any circumstances. Just say ugly.

Fugly: contraction of freakin' ugly. What's wrong with that.  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: NGC is the GT 1000 sport the ugliest Ducati ever built?
Post by: TodkaVonic on August 01, 2019, 10:20:28 PM
Fugly: contraction of freakin' ugly. What's wrong with that.  :rolleyes:

Oh I know what it means. Maybe branch out a bit. Try something new. You know how nobody says "tubular" or "jive turkey" any more?  Here are some additional ideas:


(https://i.ibb.co/JCL71Pk/5-FDCCE8-E-C3-BC-4096-87-D2-CF48-F84-D6-DDB.png) (https://ibb.co/JCL71Pk)


 :wink: :grin:


Title: Re: NGC is the GT 1000 sport the ugliest Ducati ever built?
Post by: Yukonica on August 02, 2019, 01:18:28 AM
I wouldn't question the capability of the model nor the quality of the machine advertised. I'm sure this is a completely stock example with barely any use.  The ocean of space (in the photo) between the rear wheel and the seat superstructure caught my eye. Aesthetics.


(https://i.ibb.co/f17LWcr/gt1000.jpg) (https://ibb.co/f17LWcr)


It hurts to see a classic bike being hacked apart to create a 'custom/bobber/cafe' yet a great platform is the best place to begin a project. Consider the words classic, vintage, and old. Where does the GT land on that continuum.
Title: Re: NGC is the GT 1000 sport the ugliest Ducati ever built?
Post by: blu guzz on August 02, 2019, 05:57:51 AM
this is one bike that looked better with side bags. 
Title: Re: NGC is the GT 1000 sport the ugliest Ducati ever built?
Post by: larrys on August 02, 2019, 08:48:25 AM


(https://i.ibb.co/f17LWcr/gt1000.jpg) (https://ibb.co/f17LWcr)



That's just fugly.
Larry
Title: Re: NGC is the GT 1000 sport the ugliest Ducati ever built?
Post by: LowRyter on August 02, 2019, 09:34:01 AM
i think they look pretty nice.  I have more heartburn with adventure bikes with beaks, Brat cafe bikes with knobbies, praying mantis street fighters, murdered nakeds and extreme cruisers most often.

....but ride your own ride.
Title: Re: NGC is the GT 1000 sport the ugliest Ducati ever built?
Post by: jas67 on August 02, 2019, 03:43:56 PM
Whoever thinks the GT1000 is the ugliest Ducati has never laid eyes on the Indiana or early Multistrada.
(https://classic-motorbikes.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/ducati-650-indiana.jpg)
(http://www.motousate.it/system/announcements/images/000/336/176/large/336176.jpg?1453423539)
Title: Re: NGC is the GT 1000 sport the ugliest Ducati ever built?
Post by: roadscum on August 02, 2019, 09:49:26 PM
At onw I owned a  1000 Sport Paul Smart, it was the most beautiful bike I've owned, and I've more then 50. It had a seafoam green frame and silver plastic, handling was excellent and the motor was a joy with big low end torque. Wish I had l had kept it, maybe for living room art.

If you enjoy an very good sporty ….. buy it. It does need a lot of loving attention, the timing belts need to changed frequently and that is a time consuming task.

Paul   
Title: Re: NGC is the GT 1000 sport the ugliest Ducati ever built?
Post by: kirkemon on August 02, 2019, 09:55:46 PM
Not only on the GT1000, but on other newer bikes, it seems that there is too much space above the rear wheel. Why is the fender (or the bottom of the seat so high above the rear tire?
Title: Re: NGC is the GT 1000 sport the ugliest Ducati ever built?
Post by: Yukonica on August 03, 2019, 01:22:57 AM
this is one bike that looked better with side bags.

I agree. The front half is fine.
A hard case somewhere half way between Hepco-Becker juniors and Craven comet would actually look nice.... in my opinion.
Title: Re: NGC is the GT 1000 sport the ugliest Ducati ever built?
Post by: Turin on August 03, 2019, 02:02:16 AM
The big space between the seat and tire is aggravated by that giant rear fender.

Still like it but I'd rather have a 91-98 900SS
Title: Re: NGC is the GT 1000 sport the ugliest Ducati ever built?
Post by: Tusayan on August 03, 2019, 09:32:02 AM
Not only on the GT1000, but on other newer bikes, it seems that there is too much space above the rear wheel. Why is the fender (or the bottom of the seat so high above the rear tire?

Rear wheel suspension travel.  It works out better when the design does not attempt to blend 1970 styling into a more modern mechanical design.
Title: Re: NGC is the GT 1000 sport the ugliest Ducati ever built?
Post by: Antietam Classic Cycle on August 03, 2019, 12:11:10 PM
Rear wheel suspension travel.  It works out better when the design does not attempt to blend 1970 styling into a more modern mechanical design.

But, it has 8" + of air between the tire and fender and maybe 5" of suspension travel.
Title: Re: NGC is the GT 1000 sport the ugliest Ducati ever built?
Post by: Rusnak_322 on August 03, 2019, 04:29:16 PM
But, it has 8" + of air between the tire and fender and maybe 5" of suspension travel.

I think it has to do with the way they designed the tank and seat to give it the flat look. The Monster had the same amount of space above the wheel but the frame, seat and tank shape makes it look OK.

(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0783/8397/products/ducati-sport-classic-flyscreen-windshield_083401a7-2734-4651-8183-ae15555cf6f6_grande.jpg?v=1524563840)

(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/6d/8b/14/6d8b14d9467fe73ced96d72a09284c3e.jpg)
Title: Re: NGC is the GT 1000 sport the ugliest Ducati ever built?
Post by: JJ on August 03, 2019, 05:07:46 PM
Change the mirrors, (bar end), and the seat...and it's not all THAT bad! (IMHO) :thumb: :cool: :smiley:


(https://i.ibb.co/FHD7KL5/Screen-Shot-2019-08-03-at-3-06-09-PM.png) (https://ibb.co/FHD7KL5)
Title: Re: NGC is the GT 1000 sport the ugliest Ducati ever built?
Post by: Huzo on August 04, 2019, 12:19:34 AM
Not while those vile 500 twin things remain in the human consciousness..
Or..
Those 860 GT things..
Title: Re: NGC is the GT 1000 sport the ugliest Ducati ever built?
Post by: sdcr on August 04, 2019, 07:47:15 AM
I do like the Sport Classic line that Ducati produced at that time.

  However, I can't help but wonder what the designers were thinking when the GT came out. They most likely saw that the rear tire gap was enormous. One would think that they would have done something to alleviate this glaring flaw. ( other than adding saddle bags)
Title: Re: NGC is the GT 1000 sport the ugliest Ducati ever built?
Post by: TodkaVonic on August 04, 2019, 08:40:11 PM
At onw I owned a  1000 Sport Paul Smart, it was the most beautiful bike I've owned, and I've more then 50. It had a seafoam green frame and silver plastic, handling was excellent and the motor was a joy with big low end torque. Wish I had l had kept it, maybe for living room art.

If you enjoy an very good sporty ….. buy it. It does need a lot of loving attention, the timing belts need to changed frequently and that is a time consuming task.

Paul

+1
I don't think I could ever sell mine. Well, that's not true. Everything has a price. It's a lot. I could sell it for a lot. When I'm too old and crotchety to ride it, it'll end up as artwork someplace in my home.

Nate
Title: Re: NGC is the GT 1000 sport the ugliest Ducati ever built?
Post by: Numbercruncher on August 04, 2019, 09:28:58 PM
No ugly Ducati thread is complete without mentioning the DUcati Paso.  Some of the bikes mentioned here at least look unique and one can claim form follows function.  But the Paso?  Inexcusable.

I would post a link to a google image search but I don’t want to be banned.

NC
Title: Re: NGC is the GT 1000 sport the ugliest Ducati ever built?
Post by: Tusayan on August 04, 2019, 10:32:08 PM
I suspect that at some point the Paso will become collectible as the first Tamburini design for CRC (Cagiva & MV). It may not have been Massimo Tamburini’s best work, I’d vote for the 916 or Bimota SB 2, but I think the main issue with the Paso was 53 rear wheel horsepower and a huge carburation flat spot.


(https://i.ibb.co/ctbhRV0/C249962-A-4-D41-45-B4-8-F5-F-6-E74-EA4-F904-B.jpg) (https://ibb.co/ctbhRV0)





.
Title: Re: NGC is the GT 1000 sport the ugliest Ducati ever built?
Post by: pete roper on August 05, 2019, 05:39:45 AM
Not while those vile 500 twin things remain in the human consciousness..
Or..
Those 860 GT things..

(Sigh.) I think the 500 vertical twins are beautiful. Sure they were/are a dreadful grenade but if I suddenly lost control of my senses and wanted a Ducati it's probably the one I'd look for.

Yeah, I know, I'm an 'Orphan Magnet'......... :grin:

Pete
Title: Re: NGC is the GT 1000 sport the ugliest Ducati ever built?
Post by: reidy on August 05, 2019, 06:21:29 AM
I built this from an incomplete basket case. I wish I had it back.


(https://i.ibb.co/M7p2nmY/Ducati-500.jpg) (https://ibb.co/M7p2nmY)


I sold it and bought a Nevada that I made a few changes to over the years.


(https://i.ibb.co/d58dJ5k/Guzzi-7.jpg) (https://ibb.co/d58dJ5k)


Steve
Title: Re: NGC is the GT 1000 sport the ugliest Ducati ever built?
Post by: Turin on August 05, 2019, 06:53:42 PM
The Paso was drop dead gorgeous at the time it came out. It was a two wheeled Testarossa. ( Neither design has proved to be timeless.)
(https://dn3bmh8yk8vvw.cloudfront.net/Bmd4AuMrpW8oxOOiqu1LdqDERdA=/fit-in/600x600/production-85940-w18MSOJ3IQtl-20170905BNIP1992DucatiPaso907IEbnip3710ZF1216229931001.jpg)

Here is my pic for the ugliest Duc:
Looks like a terrier pinching one off.
(https://icdn6.digitaltrends.com/image/2014-ducati-monster-1200s-front-right.jpg)
Title: Re: NGC is the GT 1000 sport the ugliest Ducati ever built?
Post by: LBC Tenni on August 06, 2019, 01:53:21 AM
I found the ergonomics of the GT far worse than the aesthetics. I rode one briefly and felt as though I’d been on the torturer’s rack. Possibly the most uncomfortable bike I’ve ever ridden. But then I’ve never ridden a chopper or anything with ape hangers, so I suppose there are worse.
Title: Re: NGC is the GT 1000 sport the ugliest Ducati ever built?
Post by: jpv7 on August 06, 2019, 10:25:36 AM
At onw I owned a  1000 Sport Paul Smart, it was the most beautiful bike I've owned, and I've more then 50. It had a seafoam green frame and silver plastic, handling was excellent and the motor was a joy with big low end torque. Wish I had l had kept it, maybe for living room art.

If you enjoy an very good sporty ….. buy it. It does need a lot of loving attention, the timing belts need to changed frequently and that is a time consuming task.

Paul
I'm not arguing with the maintenance manuals, but the belts do go far longer than the replacement schedule suggests.  I would do them at 4 years or so, and 20Must be a question of limiting risk I guess.

And if its the air cooled 1000 ds motor, replacement is not difficult at all.  Quite easy.
Title: Re: NGC is the GT 1000 sport the ugliest Ducati ever built?
Post by: jpv7 on August 06, 2019, 10:27:29 AM
Sorry I meant 4 years or 20,000 km
Title: Re: NGC is the GT 1000 sport the ugliest Ducati ever built?
Post by: Tusayan on August 06, 2019, 11:26:48 AM
The description of replacing 2V Ducati belts as timing consuming must result from time used to remove the fairing. On 2V Ducatis with no fairing, I’d say it takes about 15 minutes every 12K miles or 20 K km.  The factory belts are expensive so I tend to use the California Cycle Works belts at about half the price.
Title: Re: NGC is the GT 1000 sport the ugliest Ducati ever built?
Post by: Rusnak_322 on August 06, 2019, 03:22:42 PM
The Paso was drop dead gorgeous at the time it came out. It was a two wheeled Testarossa. ( Neither design has proved to be timeless.)
(https://dn3bmh8yk8vvw.cloudfront.net/Bmd4AuMrpW8oxOOiqu1LdqDERdA=/fit-in/600x600/production-85940-w18MSOJ3IQtl-20170905BNIP1992DucatiPaso907IEbnip3710ZF1216229931001.jpg)

Here is my pic for the ugliest Duc:
Looks like a terrier pinching one off.
(https://icdn6.digitaltrends.com/image/2014-ducati-monster-1200s-front-right.jpg)


Totally agree on both accounts. Love the Paso (especially in red with the black seat) also LOVE Ducati Monsters. On my third now. Wanted to like the new 1200S or 1200R, but cant. test rode one and it was great, but I need my bikes to speak to me visually and i cant get excited at looking at that new bike.
Title: Re: NGC is the GT 1000 sport the ugliest Ducati ever built?
Post by: Antietam Classic Cycle on August 06, 2019, 08:26:55 PM
This ranks right up there for the "ugliest" title:

(https://www.oldbikemag.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2019/05/Apollo-01.jpg)
Title: Re: NGC is the GT 1000 sport the ugliest Ducati ever built?
Post by: Turin on August 06, 2019, 09:17:46 PM
Do prototypes count? I would hope that if the apollo had gone into production, they would have tried a bit harder.
Title: Re: NGC is the GT 1000 sport the ugliest Ducati ever built?
Post by: Muzz on August 07, 2019, 03:06:45 AM
Did Apollo make their own engine or did they flog some bits off Enfield?
Title: Re: NGC is the GT 1000 sport the ugliest Ducati ever built?
Post by: Antietam Classic Cycle on August 07, 2019, 08:22:08 AM
Did Apollo make their own engine or did they flog some bits off Enfield?

The engine of the Apollo was built completely by Ducati...
Title: Re: NGC is the GT 1000 sport the ugliest Ducati ever built?
Post by: Turin on August 07, 2019, 09:12:30 PM
(https://img.newatlas.com/ducati-2020-streetfighter-1100-v4-prototype-1.jpg?auto=format%2Ccompress&fit=max&q=60&w=1000&s=f06f3eaf3f56589f4f5873d7240069c0)

I like the old V4 better.
Title: Re: NGC is the GT 1000 sport the ugliest Ducati ever built?
Post by: Huzo on August 07, 2019, 10:08:19 PM
(Sigh.) I think the 500 vertical twins are beautiful. Sure they were/are a dreadful grenade but if I suddenly lost control of my senses and wanted a Ducati it's probably the one I'd look for.

Yeah, I know, I'm an 'Orphan Magnet'......... :grin:

Pete
I saw a cement mixer out the back of your shop when you were installing my map..
It was better looking than the 500 Duke.
Title: Re: NGC is the GT 1000 sport the ugliest Ducati ever built?
Post by: Huzo on August 07, 2019, 10:11:55 PM
The Paso was drop dead gorgeous at the time it came out. It was a two wheeled Testarossa. ( Neither design has proved to be timeless.)
(https://dn3bmh8yk8vvw.cloudfront.net/Bmd4AuMrpW8oxOOiqu1LdqDERdA=/fit-in/600x600/production-85940-w18MSOJ3IQtl-20170905BNIP1992DucatiPaso907IEbnip3710ZF1216229931001.jpg)

Here is my pic for the ugliest Duc:
Looks like a terrier pinching one off.
(https://icdn6.digitaltrends.com/image/2014-ducati-monster-1200s-front-right.jpg)
That white thing looks like a ton and a half of dead guts on the rear deck of a Japanese whaling ship...!
Title: Re: NGC is the GT 1000 sport the ugliest Ducati ever built?
Post by: jas67 on August 08, 2019, 06:19:04 AM
This ranks right up there for the "ugliest" title:

(https://www.oldbikemag.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2019/05/Apollo-01.jpg)

Get rid of the white walls and white seat (replace with a black one), and get rid of the rail around the back of the seat, and it really isn't a bad looking bike.

Oh, and it needs larger diameter wheels (18 or 17R/18F) with normal width rubber on them.
Title: Re: NGC is the GT 1000 sport the ugliest Ducati ever built?
Post by: LowRyter on August 08, 2019, 07:55:56 AM
That Apollo is gorgeous for a '60s style cruiser.  Compare it to an Electra Glide.
Title: Re: NGC is the GT 1000 sport the ugliest Ducati ever built?
Post by: Antietam Classic Cycle on August 08, 2019, 08:05:50 AM
The engine is a "mile" long, the gas tank too small, seat too long.
Title: Re: NGC is the GT 1000 sport the ugliest Ducati ever built?
Post by: larrys on August 08, 2019, 08:35:12 AM
This ranks right up there for the "ugliest" title:

(https://www.oldbikemag.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2019/05/Apollo-01.jpg)

No way! That's a fine looking piece of machinery!
Larry
Title: Re: NGC is the GT 1000 sport the ugliest Ducati ever built?
Post by: kirb on August 08, 2019, 09:27:28 AM
GT1000- those are good looking bikes. Classic duc. Anyone who doesn't like the lines of those bikes would be wrong. Put a polished AL tank with Ohilns all around...damn.
Diavel- the original wasn't great, but when you sat behind the bars and twisted the throttle with race Termi system- you didn't care.
X Diavel- they fixed the stuff that wasn't right and screwed up the riding position and put a drive belt on it (?)
Multistrada, the first one- woof.
Indiana- yea, pretty bad

Overall, Ducati has more drop dead gorgeous bikes than any other mfg.
Title: Re: NGC is the GT 1000 sport the ugliest Ducati ever built?
Post by: bigbikerrick on August 08, 2019, 04:21:12 PM
The Ducati Paso, looks like they copied the looks of the Honda Hurricane circa 1989...Or was it the other way around, where Honda copied Ducati?
In my opinion, everything Ducati has built post the 1098 is ugly to some extent. Its just that there are different levels of ugly in their products, some are actually "mother in law ugly" !
Rick.
Title: Re: NGC is the GT 1000 sport the ugliest Ducati ever built?
Post by: LowRyter on August 08, 2019, 04:33:15 PM
The Ducati Paso, looks like they copied the looks of the Honda Hurricane circa 1989...Or was it the other way around, where Honda copied Ducati?
In my opinion, everything Ducati has built post the 1098 is ugly to some extent. Its just that there are different levels of ugly in their products, some are actually "mother in law ugly" !
Rick.

"MIL Ugly"

(https://g3.img-dpreview.com/70F3A0724B7A4AD08C5FF66D9DFC7573.jpg)
Title: Re: NGC is the GT 1000 sport the ugliest Ducati ever built?
Post by: Tusayan on August 08, 2019, 05:40:52 PM
The Paso was more or less a productionized Ducati DB1, which preceded the Paso and the CBR600F (or Hurricane in the US) into production by approximately two years, or a bit less.  The DB1 which was originally designed by Bimota for Cagiva, but at some point Cagiva decided to terminate the Bimota project and do it themselves by hiring Bimota’s ex-designer, Massimo Tamburini, and setting him up in a studio near his home - CRC or Cagiva Desearch Center. Tamburini then designed a less expensive to produce version to be called the Cagiva Paso, named after Renzo Pasolini.  Bimota, CRC and Pasolini were all in (or from) the same area of Italy, Rimini, far from either Cagiva or Ducati.  Ducati had little to do with it except for the engine however by the time Paso production started Cagiva had bought Ducati outright and also learned that the Ducati name had a lot more recognition than Cagiva outside Europe. So it became the Ducati Paso.

While all that was happening, Bimota finished the DB1 themselves and put into production in roughly late ‘85.  Honda copied the Bimota in ‘86, introducing their version a little after Cagiva/Ducati as a 1987 model.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bimota_DB1

(https://i.redd.it/tuqdjws1ijb21.jpg)

 
Title: Re: NGC is the GT 1000 sport the ugliest Ducati ever built?
Post by: Muzz on August 08, 2019, 05:46:10 PM
The engine of the Apollo was built completely by Ducati...

Thanks Charlie. Ducati has made some nice looking engines (read Ducati Mk lll Diana :drool:) but that Apollo engine is not one of them. :rolleyes:
Title: Re: NGC is the GT 1000 sport the ugliest Ducati ever built?
Post by: Turin on August 08, 2019, 08:23:19 PM
Quote
The Paso was more or less a productionized Ducati DB1

I'd go with less. the only thing they have in common is fully enclosed bodywork. The DB1 is a proper lightweight sportbike, while the Paso is a stumbling drunken rhinoceros by comparison.  I've had a 750 Paso, and own a 907ie. The 907 is a great sport tourer.

I have a friend who restored a DB1 for a customer. He had me sit on it. I am still amazed by how absolutely tiny the DB1 is. He had me sit on it so everyone could get a good laugh at the big guy on the little bike.
Title: Re: NGC is the GT 1000 sport the ugliest Ducati ever built?
Post by: canuck750 on August 08, 2019, 10:18:33 PM
I counter your ugly and raise you one hideous!

(https://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg217/canuck750/CRASH/01515_a0YvZLSuhzj_1200x900_zpsabs8v1c0.jpg) (https://s249.photobucket.com/user/canuck750/media/CRASH/01515_a0YvZLSuhzj_1200x900_zpsabs8v1c0.jpg.html)

"Do you appreciate unique things? Wanna stand out from the crowd at the next bike night? You would be hard pressed to see another Cagiva Alazzura 650 (Ducati) on the road, and never one like this."


https://seattle.craigslist.org/see/mcy/d/bellingham-1985-cagiva-alazzurra-cafe/6951279313.html
Title: Re: NGC is the GT 1000 sport the ugliest Ducati ever built?
Post by: Tusayan on August 09, 2019, 07:30:58 AM
I'd go with less. the only thing they have in common is fully enclosed bodywork. The DB1 is a proper lightweight sportbike, while the Paso is a stumbling drunken rhinoceros by comparison.  I've had a 750 Paso, and own a 907ie. The 907 is a great sport tourer.

I have a friend who restored a DB1 for a customer. He had me sit on it. I am still amazed by how absolutely tiny the DB1 is. He had me sit on it so everyone could get a good laugh at the big guy on the little bike.

The DB1 is fantastic moto art, especially for small people.  It rescued Bimota from the brink of bankruptcy after Tamburini left and the place was falling apart.  I remember seeing a petite woman in race leathers on one in the 80s, the package was getting quite a bit of attention  :grin:  It’s similar in size to the KB2 Laser that came a few years before. Both are tiny.

The original Paso was surely a rush job, the subsequent 907ie is a Paso with most of the bugs worked out and a better engine (the DB1 and Paso share the same underpowered engine except for rear head orientation)...  In that era Cagiva was moving pretty quickly, Tamburini did the 916 directly after the Paso.  What’s interesting to me about the Paso is that it was first bike he did for Cagiva, in an entirely new and dedicated facility, and over a very long time after that he did some of the nicest bikes every designed, much as he had for Bimota beforehand.  The last was apparently one of the MV Agusta triples, which are Cagivas really, with a purchased name on the tank.  That was another tradition that originated with the Paso.
Title: Re: NGC is the GT 1000 sport the ugliest Ducati ever built?
Post by: Turin on August 09, 2019, 08:46:59 PM
It's a crying shame to do that to an alazzurra. I had a red 87 and wish I still had it. (Totaled).
I've contemplated getting another, but a  half faired 900 SS would make more sense.
Title: Re: NGC is the GT 1000 sport the ugliest Ducati ever built?
Post by: Yukonica on August 10, 2019, 07:00:34 PM
I counter your ugly and raise you one hideous!

(https://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg217/canuck750/CRASH/01515_a0YvZLSuhzj_1200x900_zpsabs8v1c0.jpg) (https://s249.photobucket.com/user/canuck750/media/CRASH/01515_a0YvZLSuhzj_1200x900_zpsabs8v1c0.jpg.html)

"Do you appreciate unique things? Wanna stand out from the crowd at the next bike night? You would be hard pressed to see another Cagiva Alazzura 650 (Ducati) on the road, and never one like this."


https://seattle.craigslist.org/see/mcy/d/bellingham-1985-cagiva-alazzurra-cafe/6951279313.html

Umm? nope, not putting cash down on that bet. 
Orange and black? Isn't that HD turf? The badge on the primary cover also looks Harleyesque.
But I have to give one point for the creative repurposing of linoleum underlay used to shroud the carbs.
Title: Re: NGC is the GT 1000 sport the ugliest Ducati ever built?
Post by: Turin on August 11, 2019, 11:29:48 AM
That's the electronic ignition badge, polished. The linoleum drops it down to an even lower level.
Title: Re: NGC is the GT 1000 sport the ugliest Ducati ever built?
Post by: s1120 on August 11, 2019, 11:59:19 AM
Im guessing whoever built that alazzurra has some REAL short legs!!Those pegs look pretty high, and forward!!!  A little down, and back would really open it up a lot... 
Title: Re: NGC is the GT 1000 sport the ugliest Ducati ever built?
Post by: Turin on August 11, 2019, 12:25:19 PM
Pegs are stock. It's that stupid seat that has not had any thought put into it.
Title: Re: NGC is the GT 1000 sport the ugliest Ducati ever built?
Post by: Tusayan on August 11, 2019, 12:39:08 PM

Orange and black? Isn't that HD turf?

A lot of things about Cagiva were Harley-esque in the 80s, see emblems below, so the paint is not entirely out of place...  ten years before this bike was built the factory was making orange and black HD badged race bikes  :grin:


(https://i.ibb.co/M1Pjf6J/04222-A34-6284-439-E-8-C03-D7-AEF5756-F83.jpg) (https://ibb.co/M1Pjf6J)



(https://i.ibb.co/V3TK4Vv/FB6361-AA-EB12-4174-BAB8-441-A87-E523-F0.jpg) (https://ibb.co/V3TK4Vv)


(https://p.vitalmx.com/photos/users/44479/photos/77884/s1600_HDmx250_1.jpg?1411583425)


(https://i.ibb.co/vVFGDQ1/CA550411-BAD5-436-E-9-FC0-E53186-E8-BD71.jpg) (https://ibb.co/vVFGDQ1)
Title: Re: NGC is the GT 1000 sport the ugliest Ducati ever built?
Post by: LowRyter on August 11, 2019, 01:06:09 PM
A lot of things about Cagiva were Harley-esque in the 80s, see emblems below, so the paint is not entirely out of place...  ten years before this bike was built the factory was making orange and black HD badged race bikes  :grin:




(https://i.ibb.co/vVFGDQ1/CA550411-BAD5-436-E-9-FC0-E53186-E8-BD71.jpg) (https://ibb.co/vVFGDQ1)


what in the wide world of sports is this thing???    :angel:
Title: Re: NGC is the GT 1000 sport the ugliest Ducati ever built?
Post by: Antietam Classic Cycle on August 11, 2019, 01:11:24 PM
what in the wide world of sports is this thing???    :angel:

https://youtu.be/6rcscdYTGGo
Title: Re: NGC is the GT 1000 sport the ugliest Ducati ever built?
Post by: geodoc on August 11, 2019, 01:26:22 PM
https://youtu.be/6rcscdYTGGo

I can almost smell it from here!

(https://i.postimg.cc/MTvJY8Ph/s-l640.jpg)
Title: Re: NGC is the GT 1000 sport the ugliest Ducati ever built?
Post by: Tusayan on August 11, 2019, 01:27:33 PM
what in the wide world of sports is this thing???    :angel:

Aermacchi (which became Cagiva in 1978 and is now known as MV Agusta) built road racers along but during the first period of AMF/HD ownership they were badged as Harleys.  The bike shown in the video is an RR250 which was one of the last they built with HD badging.  It’s seriously cool bike.  The next built were the Cagiva badged GP bikes of the 80s.
Title: Re: NGC is the GT 1000 sport the ugliest Ducati ever built?
Post by: JJ on August 12, 2019, 08:16:38 AM
Until recent years, Indiana held  that award.

(https://i1.wp.com/www.bike-urious.com/wp-content/uploads/Ducati-Indiana-Right-Side-1.jpg?fit=839%2C503&ssl=1)

Now, though, there are several in the current lineup that beat even the lowly Indiana.

Diavel.  :puke

(https://images.ctfassets.net/x7j9qwvpvr5s/2bFLGgDaE8iKwKGq2QikaU/ed546aab2d0fdb1bc1b5e5af67f0ae15/Diavel-1260-S-MY19-Ambience-08-Gallery-1920x1080.jpg)

Agree about the DIAVEL - - "FUGLY" (...at the highest level!) :laugh: :grin: :wink:


(https://i.ibb.co/XXpRJ0H/Screen-Shot-2019-08-12-at-6-14-14-AM.png) (https://ibb.co/XXpRJ0H)
Title: Re: NGC is the GT 1000 sport the ugliest Ducati ever built?
Post by: Numbercruncher on August 12, 2019, 11:01:24 AM
(http://www.rk-productions.net/Assets/Photos/bikes/Monster821/NewMonster.jpg)

Anyone who criticized the look of the water cooled Monster is . .  an idiot.  My personal Monster 821 stripe photographed in my garage studio.  Beautiful as any bike ever made.

NC
Title: Re: NGC is the GT 1000 sport the ugliest Ducati ever built?
Post by: Antietam Classic Cycle on August 12, 2019, 11:07:25 AM
Raising my hand here as an "idiot".  :rolleyes: I guess beauty really is in the eye of the beer holder.  :grin:
Title: Re: NGC is the GT 1000 sport the ugliest Ducati ever built?
Post by: geodoc on August 12, 2019, 02:35:33 PM
One man's meat is another man's bullion cube?

Raising my hand here as an "idiot".  :rolleyes: I guess beauty really is in the eye of the beer holder.  :grin:
Title: Re: NGC is the GT 1000 sport the ugliest Ducati ever built?
Post by: geodoc on August 12, 2019, 02:38:03 PM
As for the best looking Ducati ever, I submit:

(https://i.postimg.cc/ryWp8JQS/750SS-GF.jpg)






.
Title: Re: NGC is the GT 1000 sport the ugliest Ducati ever built?
Post by: tazio on August 13, 2019, 06:13:43 AM
(http://www.rk-productions.net/Assets/Photos/bikes/Monster821/NewMonster.jpg)


Beautiful photo.
Nice job!
Title: Re: NGC is the GT 1000 sport the ugliest Ducati ever built?
Post by: Turin on August 13, 2019, 07:53:35 PM
My vote for prettiest Ducati.
(https://www.cycleworld.com/resizer/pXf-1WoT0oUhKm2OPnUC0Z-hVT0=/1584x713/arc-anglerfish-arc2-prod-bonnier.s3.amazonaws.com/public/AEKGCRYZWFAEH3YPEMCYKN5K74.jpg)
Title: Re: NGC is the GT 1000 sport the ugliest Ducati ever built?
Post by: jpv7 on August 13, 2019, 08:00:19 PM
+1. 
(https://i.ibb.co/nBnDcnx/900SS-SP.jpg) (https://ibb.co/nBnDcnx)

why is ammonia a compound (https://aluminumsulfate.net/ammonium-sulfate)
the 1997 was even prettier in yellow...sold it but want one back!
Title: Re: NGC is the GT 1000 sport the ugliest Ducati ever built?
Post by: BrotherJim on August 14, 2019, 04:18:09 PM
Oh, the Indiana takes the cake for ugliest Ducati.  Why they built a Japanese Custom is beyond me.  It's not to say any of them couldn't be great bikes; I just never liked the style.
Title: Re: NGC is the GT 1000 sport the ugliest Ducati ever built?
Post by: Turin on August 14, 2019, 08:57:04 PM
I forgive the Indiana.
Cagiva followed a trend and it looks like every other metric cruiser from the early '80s. Magna, Shadow, Intruder, Eliminator, Madura, Excalibur etc.

Title: Re: NGC is the GT 1000 sport the ugliest Ducati ever built?
Post by: guzzista on August 14, 2019, 10:20:12 PM
I forgive the Indiana.
Cagiva followed a trend and it looks like every other metric cruiser from the early '80s. Magna, Shadow, Intruder, Eliminator, Madura, Excalibur etc.


When I was in a moto tech program in the early 80's they were referred as the ' Toasters on wheels"
Title: Re: NGC is the GT 1000 sport the ugliest Ducati ever built?
Post by: Tusayan on August 14, 2019, 10:39:29 PM
There are a lot of pretty ones, but FWIW this is the Ducati photo that initially got my attention in around 1977, as a kid.  I still have the Cycle Magazine it came in, complete with mailing label to me, plus another copy that I can read without messing up the original  :grin:

Part of the appeal of the original 900SS to me was the combination of mild, traditional blue/green colors with an aggressive race style sport bike.  Ducati did not generally copy Guzzi or Italian cars in the use of red paint until the Hailwood Replica - which had a paint scheme created by a race team in England, not a stylist in Italy.


(https://i.ibb.co/t3MB5pN/F84-E276-B-016-F-4-D23-8-E6-E-8271-E810-AF04.jpg) (https://ibb.co/t3MB5pN)