Wildguzzi.com
General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: jas67 on August 17, 2019, 04:02:54 PM
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Found on ADVRider:
https://advrider.com/f/threads/2015-motus-mst-dfw-tx.1393623/ (https://advrider.com/f/threads/2015-motus-mst-dfw-tx.1393623/)
I've decided to sell my 2015 Motus MST. I bought this bike with the intent of making a west coast trip that, for several reasons, never happened. Now it seems that after 58 years of riding, I've aged to the point that I have lost my desire to travel large distances on two wheels. Consequently, the Motus sits unused most of the time while I ride my Sportster.
The bike has 4,388 miles at the moment and is completely stock. It is vin #4 of the first year production out of 200 total bikes built in 2015-2018. Bike looks new, runs fine, and only has a couple hundred miles since it was last serviced. Has heated grips, cruise control, and Clearwater driving lights. No top box, but it did come with the lock that matches the Givi saddlebags if you want to add one. The only flaw I know of is that the fuel gauge is not trustworthy. With 165hp and 123ft-lb torque, it has performance to spare. Everything on these bikes is top shelf with Ohlins suspension, OZ Racing wheels, Brembo brakes, Sargent seat, etc.
Price is firm @ $17,000 cash.
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If I were a younger man I would be tempted. First one on my block to have one! (not that it matters)
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Is there any parts or service support for these now ? At 200 total production (?) it would seem improbable that there is any support .
Dusty
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The entire stock of parts was bought and is being distributed by a motorcycle clearing house, so there are some parts. Also, many of the parts were bought in from top-shelf suppliers, and those are mostly still available. The community of those who did buy them is supportive and creative, and has been active in support. There are a couple of Facebook pages about that. I almost bought one myself. I did take a testride, and was very impressed. I tend to use my bike as sole primary transportation, though, and keep a bike for decades and 100K+ miles, so an orphan bike won't work for me. I want my next bike to turn over 250K miles in about the year 2040 (which is why I'm here thinking about Guzzis). If Motus had stayed in business, though, it was my top contender. It's still a hell of a bike, and for a person who rides more like a normal person, and who would have alternate transpo if/when needed, it might still be a great buy and a fine experience.
PhilB
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. I tend to use my bike as sole primary transportation, though, and keep a bike for decades and 100K+ miles, so an orphan bike won't work for me. I want my next bike to turn over 250K miles in about the year 2040 (which is why I'm here thinking about Guzzis).
PhilB
first thing I think of, Honda
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first thing I think of, Honda
And Hondas are my go-to when I get a Japanese bike. But I don't want to have a bike that I just put up with for that long -- I want a bike I will *enjoy* for that long. My last bike, I put 265K on a Ducati Monster M900, over 24 years. That was a great bike, and I enjoyed it as much at the end as I did at the beginning. I've got a Mini Cooper S with 210K on it; still runs great and I'll drive that until it dies. Between my parents and my ex-wife and I, we put over 500K on an assortment of Alfa Romeos over a few decades. I want to keep fun things for a long time.
PhilB
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Still one hell of a machine.
I see it in the same genre as BMW’s K1200 and K1300 fours. Thunderous performance and perceived rock solid dependability with “go tirelessly forever” type attractiveness. I’d be a little wary of the possibility of spares drying up, but with that sort of understressed performance, I’d give it one serious bit of consideration.
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Still one hell of a machine.
I see it in the same genre as BMW’s K1200 and K1300 fours. Thunderous performance and perceived rock solid dependability with “go tirelessly forever” type attractiveness. I’d be a little wary of the possibility of spares drying up, but with that sort of understressed performance, I’d give it one serious bit of consideration.
It was similar to the K-series BMWs, but sportier, mainly because it was about 150lbs lighter. Actually, the main bike it reminded me of was a Norge with more power. I think it was Neal Bayly that had a similar impression, and said it felt to him like "an angry Guzzi".
PhilB
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first thing I think of, Honda
FJR.
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17k for a dead micro brand, seems like a lot to me.
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One comment - a beautiful machine.
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I have to agree on the look. That’s what I think a Sport-Tour should look like.
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I have to agree on the look. That’s what I think a Sport-Tour should look like.
I owned a 1999 K1200RS for five years in almost the same color as this Motus. In a 'beauty'contest, I'd give the K bike a 7 or 8, but I'd give this bike a 10+++. I agree with you ..... this is what a sport tourer should look like!
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17k for a dead micro brand, seems like a lot to me.
Perhaps. OTOH, it was a very premium build, of the finest quality throughout, and that's about half what it sold for new.
PhilB
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17k for a dead micro brand, seems like a lot to me.
It wouldn’t feel “dead” when you touched that throttle coming out of a bend..!
People often pay a premium for bikes that command a price higher than the sum of their parts.
Vincents, Mk 1&2 Le Mans’, Water cooled 2 stroke 750 Suzuki’s Yada Yada...
The above examples overrated old relics but there’s a certain type that go all funny at the very mention..
I don’t reckon the Motus is over priced, just the spares thing gets me worried..
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That is one beautiful, hairy chested beast! I would love to ride one... :thumb:
Rick
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That is an exquisite machine. I met one of the two principals, Lee (forget last name) at Daytona the year he had the prototypes there. He spent an hour with me talking about the bike. Couldn't of been nicer. Once they got into production I was very impressed with the build quality and that someone had started from scratch and built a first class machine. But, of course the price of $30 K and up, that is a very limited market. With all the exotica out there in the bike and car world, at $17 K this is in my opinion going to be well bought by some lucky person.
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That is an exquisite machine. I met one of the two principals, Lee (forget last name) at Daytona the year he had the prototypes there. He spent an hour with me talking about the bike. Couldn't of been nicer. Once they got into production I was very impressed with the build quality and that someone had started from scratch and built a first class machine. But, of course the price of $30 K and up, that is a very limited market. With all the exotica out there in the bike and car world, at $17 K this is in my opinion going to be well bought by some lucky person.
Lee Conn, who is the son of Sydney Conn. Sydney is a Moto Guzzi enthusiast.
Moto Guzzi should develop a similar engine for their next generation bikes.
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Lee Conn, who is the son of Sydney Conn. Sydney is a Moto Guzzi enthusiast.
Moto Guzzi should develop a similar engine for their next generation bikes.
Why develop one when this one is already developed. They could just license it from Motus, or whoever owns the IP for the engine.
They should put shaft drive behind it though.
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Why develop one when this one is already developed. They could just license it from Motus, or whoever owns the IP for the engine.
They should put shaft drive behind it though.
I agree, but who knows if Piaggio would be inclined, but it would be wise to adopt the engine to a new MG bike. Having ridden a Motus, I was quite impressed with that engine.
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That's my bike. I don't hang out on this forum very often since I haven't owned a Guzzi in several years, so it didn't occur to me to list it here. If you're observant and have a really good memory, you might recognize the driveway where I took those pictures. There are pictures on this forum of the '08 Norge and two different Californias I have owned parked in that same spot.
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I wouldn't be at all surprised if every part on that bike is available OTC; excepting the body work, wire harness and emblems. The fellows who created the Motus are smarter and more experienced than most of us.
It would be cool if someone with excellent credit and credibility bought that bike and set out to do a 'John Ryan' on Iron Butt records. R3~
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The engine was originally intended to be developed as an aero engine by Scat enterprises Redondo beach CA. I remember when they started development years ago on the basic engine.
Its basically half a small block chevy, pushrod engine. That means its old school (nothing wrong with that) and is relatively cheap to produce.
IMHO the "high end" of the components which made it so expensive is what did it in. Had they went with modest basic model and sold it for a much lower price it might have worked. Although limited production machines like this are VERY hard to ever make a profit, so probably would have went under no matter what they did.
Offer the high end stuff to those that want and can afford it and maybe it would have lasted a while...but not long.
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I always thought Piaggio/Guzzi should've bought Motus and rebadged it a Guzzi.
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I always thought Piaggio/Guzzi should've bought Motus and rebadged it a Guzzi.
Exactly.
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My impression when test riding a Motus was that a Guzzi is a much better bike. The Motus I rode had the well known engine noise at idle, it was embarrassing when sitting at a stop light in traffic, the red line was very low making for a narrow power band and overall it just felt crude and clunky. Market value for this one to me is about the same as highly depreciated BMWs that also feel crude in some of the same ways.
There are bikes out there that feel like somebody who knows about motorcycles created them (Ducatis, Guzzis, a lot of Japanese bikes) and I couldn’t imagine myself buying a Motus unless it were a super cheap novelty item.
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Motus, such a good bike that I have two...
I bought the MST-R while they were still in production. This one came in on trade with under 3k miles on it. I grabbed it for a boat load less than new. Would do it again without issue. Black beast is here: https://motusmstr.blogspot.com
I had a chance at a salvage title bike that was perfect timing, the owner bought it and racked up 630 miles before low-siding it...I was looking to make a naked bike and this worked perfect. Ditch faring, bags, headlight, and windscreen...BAM- a naked Motus. GREAT bike. https://2017motusmst.blogspot.com/
Parts- The same company who bought EBR bought the Motus parts. They sit in the same warehouse next to Alta electric parts. They still make EBRs to order. I gave them a hand with Motus parts- they have a bunch. Some new frames, engines, and trans as well. There won't be a parts shortage for some time. MANY of the items that would worry some are common parts you can get at Autozone- alternators, all sensors are GM, plugs, filters, sprockets, rims, tires. ECU and other parts are not custom and mapping/troubleshooting software and cables is out there.
Those who complain about the idle noise- it's a dual mass flywheel. That's the noise.
The bike is easy to work on, needs nothing special, and goes like stink. The OP's price is a STEAL for this bike. Those who rode one know what the deal is. Those who never were lucky to ride one... I'm sorry. They are that good and sound even better.
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john bloor who reserected triumph had to sell nearly 34,000 per year to break even according to a book on the subject. not sure, but i think it took 8 years to achieve.
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john bloor who reserected triumph had to sell nearly 34,000 per year to break even according to a book on the subject. Not sure, but i think it took 8 years to achieve.
Doesn’t change how good or bad the bike is.
Noisy clutch..? Doesn’t worry the high end Ducati owners
Clunky crude gearbox...? Doesn’t worry the early Guzzi owners or BMW boxer devotees..
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“Those who complain about the idle noise- it's a dual mass flywheel. That's the noise.”
Pffttt....I loved the noise. If I wanted a quiet bike i’d......nope, don’t want a quiet bike.
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john bloor who reserected triumph had to sell nearly 34,000 per year to break even according to a book on the subject. not sure, but i think it took 8 years to achieve.
Bloor did a hell of a job, especially in terms of holding down the retail price and production cost while simultaneously implementing good engineering. I think Guzzi would be happy with 20,000 per year and it looks to me like they’ve now got a product engineered well enough to take them there. The Motus was more like the Hesketh in comparison to either.
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Bloor did a hell of a job, especially in terms of holding down the retail price and production cost while simultaneously implementing good engineering. I think Guzzi would be happy with 20,000 per year and it looks to me like they’ve now got a product engineered well enough to take them there. The Motus was more like the Hesketh in comparison to either.
Interesting comparison :bow:
Dusty
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Interesting comparison :bow:
Dusty
Tusayan isn't the dumbest bear in the woods.. :grin:
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Bloor did a hell of a job, especially in terms of holding down the retail price and production cost while simultaneously implementing good engineering. I think Guzzi would be happy with 20,000 per year and it looks to me like they’ve now got a product engineered well enough to take them there. The Motus was more like the Hesketh in comparison to either.
Bloor didn't stray too far from proven engineering and designs...The things that make a Guzzi desirable to the few make it not so desirable to the majority..
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Good luck selling your Motus. I wish someone would buy mine. It is easily the biggest financial mistake I ever made and a complete POS.
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Good luck selling your Motus. I wish someone would buy mine. It is easily the biggest financial mistake I ever made and a complete POS.
I thought they were supposed to be excellent bikes -- what has your experience been ?
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Good luck selling your Motus. I wish someone would buy mine. It is easily the biggest financial mistake I ever made and a complete POS.
Your experience with the bike must be a lot different than mine. I still think it's the best bike I've ever owned, but thanks for the recommendation. What's the price on yours?
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What was so bad about it?
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Good luck selling your Motus. I wish someone would buy mine. It is easily the biggest financial mistake I ever made and a complete POS.
I'm in the market for one; what's the details?
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I'm in the market for one; what's the details?
2018 MSTR Desert Bronze. 3098 miles. Never been down, not a scratch. Collecting dust in my garage.
Purchased new in July 2018.
I helped Lee Conn unload it from the Motus pickup at the dealership.
Has never run correctly - fueling issues.
Clutch needs bleeding. OK, bleed it again. Now bleed the clutch. Issue is common with MSTRs but the heirloom crowd does not talk about it or other issues. "Shhh - you'll drove down the price of our heirlooms!" Paaaah! I'm done with this thing.
I parked it in February and ride my other 3 bikes. It's too much aggravation.
I put $9,500 dollars down on this $38k heirloom and I still owe $24k. I got Conned.
Mechanically inclined? Make it yours for $24k. I've told the truth.
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2018 MSTR Desert Bronze. 3098 miles. Never been down, not a scratch. Collecting dust in my garage.
Purchased new in July 2018.
I helped Lee Conn unload it from the Motus pickup at the dealership.
Has never run correctly - fueling issues.
Clutch needs bleeding. OK, bleed it again. Now bleed the clutch. Issue is common with MSTRs but the heirloom crowd does not talk about it or other issues. "Shhh - you'll drove down the price of our heirlooms!" Paaaah! I'm done with this thing.
I parked it in February and ride my other 3 bikes. It's too much aggravation.
I put $9,500 dollars down on this $38k heirloom and I still owe $24k. I got Conned.
Mechanically inclined? Make it yours for $24k. I've told the truth.
There is a fix for the clutch issue. It is posted on the V4 Muscle Bike Forum, and sounds pretty simple.
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Fueling issues...that's a new one. I don't think I've heard anyone with that problem.
Clutch bleeding- I have an MST-R and MST. The R never needed anything. I swapped out the Magura setup on the MST to Brembo (like the R) and put a different master- problem solved. Easy fix that works. A new master with a relocated banjo port worked great.
All owners who are active on the facebook group or V4 muscle bike forum are VERY vocal about helping. Not so much about bitching. I will say that this bike is not a Honda, it's a fairly well sorted low production bike. They made 200 of them. They are not perfect, but most of the niggles are minor and easily addressed.
Only 3 owners I know put their bikes on display only- 2 at Barber and 1 locally in Michigan. Everyone else rides the wheels off. I've got 13k on one and 4k on the other.
2018 MSTR Desert Bronze. 3098 miles. Never been down, not a scratch. Collecting dust in my garage.
Purchased new in July 2018.
I helped Lee Conn unload it from the Motus pickup at the dealership.
Has never run correctly - fueling issues.
Clutch needs bleeding. OK, bleed it again. Now bleed the clutch. Issue is common with MSTRs but the heirloom crowd does not talk about it or other issues. "Shhh - you'll drove down the price of our heirlooms!" Paaaah! I'm done with this thing.
I parked it in February and ride my other 3 bikes. It's too much aggravation.
I put $9,500 dollars down on this $38k heirloom and I still owe $24k. I got Conned.
Mechanically inclined? Make it yours for $24k. I've told the truth.
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Fueling issues...that's a new one. I don't think I've heard anyone with that problem.
Clutch bleeding- I have an MST-R and MST. The R never needed anything. I swapped out the Magura setup on the MST to Brembo (like the R) and put a different master- problem solved. Easy fix that works. A new master with a relocated banjo port worked great.
All owners who are active on the facebook group or V4 muscle bike forum are VERY vocal about helping. Not so much about bitching. I will say that this bike is not a Honda, it's a fairly well sorted low production bike. They made 200 of them. They are not perfect, but most of the niggles are minor and easily addressed.
You may consider my comments bitching but I am telling the truth. Mine was back and forth to Birmingham in the back of the Motus truck because it was fouling the plugs on the brake side after a couple hundred miles. One time it backfired so hard and loud I thought it blew the cylinder head off. Motus attempted to fix it, returned it to the dealer who test rode it and sent it back to Motus to be fixed properly. Bitching vs stating facts... The V4 muscle bike forum is a good resource. Folks can read about the safety issues such as fire potential from arcing under the tank or flywheels eaten. If I wanted a Honda I would have bought one. I have a Triumph, an Aprilia and a Moto Guzzi that are all far superior motorcycles. I spent $40k on a poorly engineered glorified kit bike because I was seduced by acceleration bordering on the supernatural. That's my fault. For $40k, I expect something that performs amazingly and is reliable. Do the maintenance and ride it, like my other bikes. Again, my fault. By the way, Motus techs have been frustrated by my experience. It's all documented. The fact is I don't trust my $40k heirloom to make it home without a trailer. Neither do the trained Motus techs who have worked on it. I have had kind people offer to help but the fact of the matter is right now I am having health issues and cannot afford to dump any more money down the Motus hole.