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General Category => Bike Builds, Rebuilds And Restorations Only => Topic started by: Motorad64 on August 22, 2019, 01:14:17 PM
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New guy here with my first Guzzi. Been looking for years and finally got the chance to buy a Le Mans last October. Not a comprehensive resto posting, but thought I'd share some pics of the process.
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So...it was supposed to be a complete, runner...ready to ride, while my buddy had picked up a true basket case 750GT. I'd planned to change tires, fluids and give it a thorough cleanup, then decide what it needed. With a fresh battery it fired right up and idled pretty well. All the electricals seemed to work, as well. But there were a few mystery items that made me decide to just do the whole thing and get it over with
It hadn't been titled since '91, but looked like it had seen some track days. All the brake hardware was drilled and safety wired. The center stand side pegs were cut short, the oil pan drain bolt welded up and there was the suspect freshly painted/replaced swingarm and rear end whose patina didn't really match the engine/trans. Actually looked brand new inside and out. So...some research and calls pointed me to Charlie -- who I'm completely lucky to live 40 minutes from. He agreed to squeeze in my motor, trans and rear end in among his steady stream of customer projects and has been a huge help along the way. I ask a lot of dumb questions.
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The front and rear wheels also didnt have the same age/patina, as well. Only other odd item was a poorly welded on steering stop. As if it'd seen a tank slapper and someone welded on what almost looked like an old square nail chunk as a quick fix. Charlie had a guy grind it off and weld on a proper stop on my way to the powder coater. Thought I had a before and after pic, but cant find it .
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Got everything disassembled to get the motor/trans off to Antietam and the frame and parts to the powder coater Charlie uses.
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So Charlie already posted some engine pics and findings. B10 Grind cam already in there, bores ok, lightened flywheel. The odometer reads 4643, if original which is quite possible. Apparently the bores were in good shape so they got a rehone and fresh rings while he replaced all other bearings, seals etc and had his machine shop weld a broken fin and do a little flow work on the ports to go with the new valves/springs.
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There was hefty bill at MG Cycle, SteinDinse and HMB, and Greg Bender for all the usual bearings, rubber parts, wiring, suspension parts, etc. I had an incident where DHL lost a nice new Bilstein through a damaged box. Michael at HMB was great and sent a replacement, but it came with different spring than the one that made it the first time. To be safe he sent me one of each option -- so now I'll have to see which rides best with my 165lbs. I've had great service, actually from all the M-G vendors.
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Went a little nuts and replaced the truly rusty old iron rotors with the HMB floating stainless option. Like jewelry for old men. My kids don't understand at all....
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Looking good!
Glad to hear that you got some good service from HMB. A few of us have seen some dubious cases from them. Maybe Michael have changed his policy on these things.
Would love to hear your opinions on the new jewelry :grin:
-Ulrik
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After seeing a couple bikes underway at Charlies shop, I decided to use his powder coater. I think the "Jet black" they use was pretty good for getting that satin Guzzi finish while still showing details like the digits on the headstock. He warned me that they're not always the best at protecting all the threads and sure enough, I had to chase every single hole out with taps.
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The frame had the usual nicks, scratches and surface rust everywhere. Some likely battery damage at the trans plate area, as well. Everything came out pretty good.
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Forgot to post the frame.
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The wheels were both in pretty good shape, but needed cleaning up. I didn't want to powder since I still had crisp M-G eagle stamps in the rims. A buddy recommended Sean at MotoRelic, who'd done some custom builds for him to get it taken care of.
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The media blasting would have wiped that right out. Sean mounted my new tires, as well.
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Post Paint wheels and fresh tires. Wheels may even be a little too-good compared to M-G paint standards.
(https://i.ibb.co/Y23DbwX/Wheels-painted.jpg) (https://ibb.co/Y23DbwX)
Proof mark made it! Good lord these wheels are heavy for 'light-alloy'
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Little brake porn for you folks...
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Thanks, Rick. Yeah...can only speak to my own experiences with Michael and he's been all good. Took care of the lost shock by sending a new replacement without any fuss. We then had the issue that shock #2 showed up with a clearly different spring.
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But then Michael let me know he'd just send one of each. Good deal. Now I'll have to decide which to run. The 14-coil one is a bit stiffer and touch longer in free length. Of course I thought I'd go with the 17 coil, softer one since I'm no heavyweight. But...the first time I rolled the unfinished chassis off the stand onto the wheels it sure felt like it squatted more than expected. But..will try it on the road. Easy enough to swap springs.
(https://i.ibb.co/NTX6Mxc/Bilstein-spring-choices.jpg) (https://ibb.co/NTX6Mxc)
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While at Sean's shop I noticed he had a sweet vapor blast cabinet. Had him clean up my carbs having struggled with old BMW carbs in carb dip, elbow grease, etc. Some before and after pics...
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(https://i.ibb.co/BnDJ7DV/carbs-vapor-hone.jpg) (https://ibb.co/BnDJ7DV)
(https://i.ibb.co/6YJPmd6/Vapored-carb.jpg) (https://ibb.co/6YJPmd6)
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BTW...Sean has another customer having him work on a couple Laverdas. Sean was in middle of welding up a custom reproduction of a factory race exhaust. His customer has the original but is going to vintage race the bike. Something about the original factory race pipe being worth as much as the bike, so he wanted one he wouldnt feel so bad about damaging at the track. Sean does pretty nice work...that little crossover was driving him crazy.
(https://i.ibb.co/D1xntz9/Laverda-custom-pipes.jpg) (https://ibb.co/D1xntz9)
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Rebuilt the original forks with the usual FAC dampers and Wirth Progressives. I liked what Canuck did, turning down the tops to look more stock, but...maybe down the road.
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Big difference in the fork seals...new from MG vs what was in it.
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:thumb: :popcorn:
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I prefer paint myself, but that powdercoat looks great!
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Dave--I'm with you. Prefer paint, myself. In this case I'd seen a couple frames at Charlies and knew the folks had already done many Guzzi's which gave me a little more confidence.
Here's my latest issue -- a cracked instrument binnacle housing. Right at the thinnest section where the big wad of cables all go through. No replacements available that I can find. Anyone repaired this? I'm going to try this superglue someone used in a Brit bike mag. The plastic has kind of gotten some "memory" of being more sprung apart than tight. Kinda fights being pressed back together.
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It's in
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A ton of finger-numbing cleaning and polishing of all manner of fasteners as well as a SS fastener kit that I've used parts of here and there. Will have the original frame bolts black chromed later as I get it all back together. Though was interesting that the originals (I think) were fine threaded vs more coarse threads of the replacements.
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Not that much actual corrosion vs plain old crud, so...axles, brake bolts, etc have all cleaned up pretty well.
New bearings all around. All went without a hitch with. Trying the green poly urea grease...
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:thumb: :popcorn:
Looking good! It will be a great looking bike when completed!
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Got a little momentum and got engine trans together. Used new center stand plates, but cleaned up the old engine mount bolts. May replace later, though they cleaned up well.
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Of course things were going too well, so I had to ding something...
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Some gentle tapping with a punch from the inside restored it to pretty-much-round-again. Test threaded the speedo fitting and it seemed to work.
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Forks went on though I forgot the little rings to hold the intruments and had to take the top yoke off again. I taped the heck out of it to avoid scratching the fresh powder coat.
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Swingarm was pretty straightforward though i was concerned the boot was too small. Email to MG and review of their catalog made me think it mustve had a bigger boot from a Loop frame on it from the PO.
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The Bilsteins have a narrower shock-eye than the originals so a quick trip to Grainger for some 14-25MM 3mm thick stainless washers to make sure the silent blocks are supported.
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I sanded and painted the ring for the rear wheel drive plate and went ahead and drilled the cush rubbers--which though new are pretty rock hard. Cleaned and greased the sleeve and got the wheel all assembled. New bearings, as well.
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Looking really great!
You are very fortunate to have Charlie working on the drive line!
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Thanks again, Rick! And Canuck...I'm truly glad to have Charlie in the area. Not only for his expertise, but he's a truly nice guy. The whole M-G community has been great.
The PO had just rebuilt the calipers with new aluminum pistons/seals...which is nice. So I cleaned up the hardware and installed new EBC pads. Measured for brake lines on order.
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Progress to date. Not a huge fan of the look of the cylinder guards, but the bike came with a couple broken fins on the right that we had welded up.
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De linking the brakes. Partly cause it's all I've really ridden. Saving all the HW to convert back--if so desired. In doing so I went with the M-G 15mm front MC with the round resevoir, for the right look. Had to buy a new lever anyway. Orginal has mild rash to go with the right cyl head fin damage and valve cover.
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The M-G front MC was nice that it bolts right up, but the HMB Rear 12mm MC is too nice to hide with the side panel. Gorgeous machined block of aluminum. Anodized deep black, wheras the M-G source front is painted and already chipping a bit. Will take a pic of it in-situ once my brake and shifter levers come back from the chromer.
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It looks really good all of it! And you moving along at a blinding pace!
I really like the look of those conti tires, let us know how they perform! :thumb:
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Thanks again, Rick. I grew up on dirt and sportbikes--had an '89 FZR600 myself! Great bike. I've been chipping away at assembling things as they've come back over the last 3 mos. Just got around to loading the pics.
It's waiting on shift/brake levers and for me to get motivated for the wiring loom. Greg Benders new harness is super clean. The amount of wiring on this thing surprised me. The controls at the bars went back together more easily than expected. Hoping I took enough pics to replace everything properly. It seems pretty unmolested. The Avons on it were datecoded for 197
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name of al2o3 compound (https://aluminumsulfate.net/aluminum-oxide)
7 and brand new...though now rock hard. Intersting smell when they came off the rims, too...
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WOW what a great job!!! It will be better than new. Nice airhead also.
Don't know where you live but Sept. 13-15 in a Guzzi get together at Two Wheels Of Suches Georgia. Those roads just the fun factor for the Le Mans. :bow:
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Got a little momentum and got engine trans together. Used new center stand plates, but cleaned up the old engine mount bolts. May replace later, though they cleaned up well.
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Wow, I wish I had the guts to take my bike down to the frame. I can't believe how clean the engine and the carbs came out.
What's involved in making the engine look so good? Did you find the same paint color?
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Charlie handled the engine/trans...not sure what media he used. Was thinking glass beads, but maybe he'll chime in. Was glad he didn't find any major problems. But...if the mileage was accurate, it shouldn't have been too bad. Was truly crossing my fingers as the guy we bought the bikes from buys a lot of NOS, wrecked bikes, old dealer stock, etc. Was worried he'd could have assembled something. But numbers are good and Charlie's motor forensics match the sellers story.
Vapor blast for the carbs. Stripping it's not that hard. Just take a LOT of pics. It's got more wiring going on than I expected. But...it's manageable. So far its been pretty straightforward. Worst things have been the cracked instrument housing, steering stop and....
(https://i.ibb.co/Zzgw993/cracked-turn-signal.jpg) (https://ibb.co/Zzgw993)
...a turnsignal that crumbled like a fortune cookie when I tried to remove it. Luckily, CEV replacements availabe. Albeit without the US side reflectors.
When I picked it up in October I figured I'd be riding it by Spring. Once I decided to have the engine/trans redone for safety...it created a cascade. If I had the engine out...I might as well do the frame--whose paint was pretty rough. And...with the raggedy wiriing under the rear fender, maybe a new wiring harness.
The paint is all pretty good. Looks like a decent repaint--to eye-talian standards. I did have the tank Red-koted by a BMW buddy since the virgin steel still looked good inside.
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Charlie handled the engine/trans...not sure what media he used. Was thinking glass beads, but maybe he'll chime in.
Yes, HVLP (high-volume, low pressure) glass beading. Only 15 psi pressure. Meticulous masking and plugging, cleaned twice afterwards.
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Thank you both for the response.
I have my V65 engine out and contemplating repainting it.
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Took a couple sets of lines but finally got the front brakes finished. Used a double banjo brake pressure switch to the new MC. Stainless Spiegler lines with a sorta traditional black rubber look.
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Replaced the sealed beam with a Cibie H4 reflector and am going to try an LED bulb I'd seen recommended here by Charlie. Also ordered a Hella, but the Cibie had noticeably clearer glass and a brighter, cleaner reflector. Ordered a new headlight gasket as the old one had cracked upon disassembly. Greg Benders wiring is noticeably thicker gauge to the headlight bulb. Paint has a little patina but cleaned up fairly well with some cleaner-wax.
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Cleaned up all the electrical components and hung on the frame. Used an electronic voltage regulator sourced from MGcycle. Lot of wiring connections...and trying to figure out how to get the harness in there past the Agostini breather and where/how to bend the smaller sections...
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Had been concerned about how to light the brake lights with the delinked rear. Tried the pressure switch from the front but was clearly too bulky and was hard against the fra
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But the smaller size of the Goodridge single banjo switch worked PERFECT. All set. Wanted to get the brake lines all squared away before finishing the wiring. Doesn't show in the pic, but theres easily 2-3 biz cards width of clearance from the frame.
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Love what you're doing , took on a similar task 20 years ago with my Le Mans 2 ! Still gets peoples attention .
And I noticed that you're even using the original fuse panel . Peter
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Wow it looks great! Nice attention to detail. :thumb:
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So, I picked up this LeMans 1 last Saturday. The production date shows to be November 1976 so I guess it is actually a 1977 model. The title shows 1976. Just as you did, I worked on it for few hours and took it for a ride. I'll start tearing it down in a week or 2. This bike went through a sort of restoration / customization and has not been ridden in over 17 years. The wiring harness was replaced along with a lot of other things. My plan is to tear it down to go back to factory red with black frame. I have the stock seat and exhaust along with some other good stock parts.
I am in need of a stock red paint code and hopefully good information / photos showing the original paint layout, black positioning and stripe sizes. Do you have this information from your tear down?
(https://i.ibb.co/GHkxmBN/IMG-4086.jpg) (https://ibb.co/GHkxmBN)
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Man you'd be crazy to change this bike :azn: , it's striking ! Peter
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So, I picked up this LeMans 1 last Saturday. The production date shows to be November 1976 so I guess it is actually a 1977 model. The title shows 1976. Just as you did, I worked on it for few hours and took it for a ride. I'll start tearing it down in a week or 2. This bike went through a sort of restoration / customization and has not been ridden in over 17 years. The wiring harness was replaced along with a lot of other things. My plan is to tear it down to go back to factory red with black frame. I have the stock seat and exhaust along with some other good stock parts.
I am in need of a stock red paint code and hopefully good information / photos showing the original paint layout, black positioning and stripe sizes. Do you have this information from your tear down?
(https://i.ibb.co/GHkxmBN/IMG-4086.jpg) (https://ibb.co/GHkxmBN)
My painter used this on my 77 LeMans rebuild ppg 926406
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Beautiful work on this... wow..!
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Prepping to install the exhaust. Headers, finned collars and Lafranconi cross over pipe went to Jet Hot. Looks great, but as others have mentioned it seems to scratch easily. Will see if heat cycles toughen it up.
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Charlie’s has the heads cleaned up with new valves, guides and springs. The fixed a bent/broken fin and apparent did a little cleanup of the ports. Sharing a view of the exhaust. Wish I’d thought to take before pics.
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Along with the exhaust I’ve been replacing the wiring. My handlebar switchgear cleaned up well. Consulting with Gregory Bender we chose to re-use the bar control wiring as-is with some cleanup. He sent along a bunch of spare terminals JIC. Here are some tear down pics of the wiring. Only broken or damaged wires were under the rear mudguard.
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Laying Gregory’s excellent harness along the frame makes you wonder if it’s all going to fit. But, everything lines up well. Truly well thought out. Nothing missing
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Thought about buying a new gas cap, but the lightly corroded parts cleaned up nicely after an overnight Evaporust soak.
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When reviewing my pile ‘o parts headed to the powder coater...Charlie gave me a great tip. My OE-type mirrors stems were chipped up and shaggy. He pointed out the MGcycle sold new mirrors cheaper than I could get mine redone. BUT...he said to use the mirror heads as the pivot mechanicals are better. Darned if he wasn’t dead on.
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A little header pipe before-and-after...
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Sweet!
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A little header pipe before-and-after...
Hey Motorad64, if you don't mind me asking, after what?
Did you clean the pipes yourself?
Thanks
Pescatore
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Pescatore...No sir. I sent the headers (mine are the one-piece) the finned flanges and the Lafranconi x-over to JetHot to be ceramic coated.
I cleaned up the exhaust spacers and got new gaskets and SS acorn nuts. My exhaust clamps were in good shape as were the Lafranconis themselves—which actually appear to be new. Red paint still on the pinwheels.
Leads me a a question. I notice mine
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have “Lafranconi 12” pressed logos. I’ve seen “14” as well. Do they number each batch or something?
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Finally got the exhaust on. Now I see why people might like the two piece headers. Major PITA to get the Lafranconi’ s on. Got the right side on 1st. Had to remove the foot peg bracket to allow enough clearance to angle the left pipe and rotate the 90-deg and finagle the LF crossover into position without scratching the S out of the pipes. Thought I might have to remove the left side frame rail. But...a couple breathers and a few colorful words and got it all in place.
(https://i.ibb.co/Fn3nQcz/FFFDA04-D-08-E0-49-B9-9-D3-B-02-B1-A17-CE36-B.jpg) (https://ibb.co/Fn3nQcz)
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Pescatore...No sir. I sent the headers (mine are the one-piece) the finned flanges and the Lafranconi x-over to JetHot to be ceramic coated.
The bikes looks great.
What did JetHot charge you for the pipes and mufflers?
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I had the one-piece header, finned head clamps, and Lafranconi crossover pipe coated in satin black. I did not do the actual mufflers. Mine are NOS that the seller had on the bike. Header was peeling paint and the finned clamps had a little but of surface rust bloom. Jet Hot charged $365.
I asked about having the mufflers coated--I was thinking internally only to make them last a little longer as they're obviously just uncoated mild steel inside, but the JetHot rep on the phone said they wouldn't do them. Poor memory, but I thought it was about any internal fiber packing. I wanted the outside to keep the stock finish.
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I had the one-piece header, finned head clamps, and Lafranconi crossover pipe coated in satin black. I did not do the actual mufflers. Mine are NOS that the seller had on the bike. Header was peeling paint and the finned clamps had a little but of surface rust bloom. Jet Hot charged $365.
I asked about having the mufflers coated--I was thinking internally only to make them last a little longer as they're obviously just uncoated mild steel inside, but the JetHot rep on the phone said they wouldn't do them. Poor memory, but I thought it was about any internal fiber packing. I wanted the outside to keep the stock finish.
Good to know, guess I'll see what the local powder coater can do as I think they have a high temp finish for those types of parts.
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Some other folks have mentioned Cerakote...which a lot of shops can do. The Jet Hot seems pretty delicate so far as far as scratches go. Hoping some heat cycles toughen it up
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I’d taken it as far as I felt comfortable with reassembly. She’d crank over great but no firing up and running. So off to Charlie’s Guzzi-Spa for a double check of my amateur re-wire and to sort out the non starting issue.
Just got word she’s ready to go!
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Cool, what was the issue?
Mine is running fine but I'm dealing with a stupid leaking final drive and I've finally pinpointed the problem. Just more money......
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Whatever it was, it was pretty darned frustrating. I'd give Charlie a few days before asking. That kind of frustrating. Think he tried quite a few condensors, etc...pulled the cam...checked/re-checked timing.
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Whatever it was, it was pretty darned frustrating. I'd give Charlie a few days before asking. That kind of frustrating. Think he tried quite a few condensors, etc...pulled the cam...checked/re-checked timing.
I went through that with mine, double checked the timing,etc.etc. but I finally got it going. And then I had to deal with the problems with the carbs, sorted that out, then one cylinder was oily, figured that one out and now it runs just fine. Then the final drive started leaking and I finally figured that one out. It's too hot to ride so I'm OK with the process.
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It seems to have been new condensers that weren't up to snuff. I tested about a dozen new and used ones I had on hand and two tested better than all the others. The used pair I installed charged higher and discharged more slowly. Why they made such as difference when it would shoot a spark 3/4" before, I don't really understand.
The valve timing was slightly off due to the cam being reground slightly off and the crankshaft timing sprocket being marked slightly off as well. But, that wasn't the main issue.
Successful first test run this morning. :azn:
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And she’s back on the road! After Charlie got her to start and verified and corrected some of my work I was like a kid on Christmas. Runs great! Sounds terrific! Shifts well, starts easy, hot and cold. New FAC dampers are plenty stiff. Did a couple days of riding in Virginia horse country to get some break in miles. I added a washer where none was needed on the brake arm pivot causing some binding. Fixed and ready for more miles.
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The bike looks great! Best of luck.
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Hoping you get that rear end sorted. I take the easy route and drop those problems at Charlies.
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Hoping you get that rear end sorted. I take the easy route and drop those problems at Charlies.
Thanks, I'm close to getting it resolved, just waiting on the new hub from MG Cycle. Well, I could have sent it out to Charlie or Steve but decided that after having all of these Guzzi's it was time to finally open up a rear drive. Next will be a transmission, as my CX is buzzing when I make a hard shift into third gear at high rpm's.