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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: Tom on November 15, 2019, 11:55:00 AM
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Going into Winter. Be kind to your when you get cabin fever. :tongue:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/lifestyle/lifestyle-buzz/please-dont-yell-at-your-dog/ar-BBWBTaK?ocid=U147IDHP
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Going into Winter. Be kind to your when you get cabin fever. :tongue:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/lifestyle/lifestyle-buzz/please-dont-yell-at-your-dog/ar-BBWBTaK?ocid=U147IDHP
"Dog children"?
"Dog son"?
Tells me all I need to know about it. We've got enough crazy dog ladies around these parts already ... :rolleyes:
Lannis
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I think it's overboard but I never "yelled" at my dogs. I did raise my voice to be assertive and firm but not the yell.
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Every so often a study comes to a *shocking* conclusion regarding something dog people have known since , well , the beginning of dog people .
Dusty
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I can not speak for dogs that are being trained for “feel good” companion dogs but I can speak for Police/ military man working dogs(working apprehending dogs), in the police world we don’t use the phrase “attack trained”
As a dog handler and trainer the voice is the the major training tool for getting compliance from a hard dog, such as the Belgian malinois like I worked for 20+years. A loud commanding voice is a must when controlling these highly tense and aggressive dogs. Here is a picture of one of my 5 dogs I worked over a 20 year period.
(https://i.ibb.co/yNS2Dvc/FB86620-B-F51-B-44-FA-98-DC-90-CECF2-BACBB.jpg) (https://ibb.co/yNS2Dvc)
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I can not speak for dogs that are being trained for “feel good” companion dogs but I can speak for Police/ military man working dogs(working apprehending dogs), in the police world we don’t use the phrase “attack trained”
As a dog handler and trainer the voice is the the major training tool for getting compliance from a hard dog, such as the Belgian malinois like I worked for 20+years. A loud commanding voice is a must when controlling these highly tense and aggressive dogs. Here is a picture of one of my 5 dogs I worked over a 20 year period.
(https://i.ibb.co/yNS2Dvc/FB86620-B-F51-B-44-FA-98-DC-90-CECF2-BACBB.jpg) (https://ibb.co/yNS2Dvc)
Dogs are so different from each other, there's almost no way to say "Here's the way to train them."
We've had several Border Collies. Some of them were very sensitive, biddable, and willing to please. Some, raised from puppies exactly the same way, were hard-headed and stubborn.
Sometimes you have to put the snap of "command" into your voice, which can involve raising the volume. With some, you can just vary the tone.
If the author meant "Don't use your own anger to train the dog", then that's good advice. If the author meant (and this is what I gather from the 'fur baby' thing) that you must always speak goo-goo lovingly, then that just won't work. No more than it will with people.
Lannis
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Interesting take on dog training. FWIW, I have a 14y/o Jack Russell terrier female that has become deaf, for about 2 years now. She doesnt hear any voices, just very loud noises, like hard hand clapping right next to her. I have been able to train her to different hand signals/commands, and a gentle tug, on her harness, tells her to look at me for her next command when we are out on a walk, and she is sniffing around.
Previously,she was always a super stubborn dog using verbal commands, and even defiant. Yelling would just get her to growl, and still do what she wanted, under certain circumstances. Now, using only non verbal commands ,she is super obedient,and easy to train to new tasks even!
The "silver lining" in the gray cloud of her losing her hearing, is that thunder ,longer scares the crap out of her! :grin:
Rick.
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Dogs are so different from each other, there's almost no way to say "Here's the way to train them."
We've had several Border Collies. Some of them were very sensitive, biddable, and willing to please. Some, raised from puppies exactly the same way, were hard-headed and stubborn.
When it comes to the Mals that are bred in the Netherlands for LE dogs and Military dogs there are no differences in the training methods as they are bred from generations of hard ass “man fighting” dogs. If the ordinary dog lover witnessed the way these dogs are trained and handled they would pitch a hissy fit. I had a 105lb Mal that the only way to get him off a bite was with a shock collar. In an actual blood bite situation he had to be chocked off the bite.
Ok, enough information on this subject for this audience.
Sometimes you have to put the snap of "command" into your voice, which can involve raising the volume. With some, you can just vary the tone.
If the author meant "Don't use your own anger to train the dog", then that's good advice. If the author meant (and this is what I gather from the 'fur baby' thing) that you must always speak goo-goo lovingly, then that just won't work. No more than it will with people.
Lannis
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Interesting take on dog training. FWIW, I have a 14y/o Jack Russell terrier female that has become deaf, for about 2 years now. She doesnt hear any voices, just very loud noises, like hard hand clapping right next to her. I have been able to train her to different hand signals/commands, and a gentle tug, on her harness, tells her to look at me for her next command when we are out on a walk, and she is sniffing around.
Previously,she was always a super stubborn dog using verbal commands, and even defiant. Yelling would just get her to growl, and still do what she wanted, under certain circumstances. Now, using only non verbal commands ,she is super obedient,and easy to train to new tasks even!
The "silver lining" in the gray cloud of her losing her hearing, is that thunder ,longer scares the crap out of her! :grin:
Rick.
Dogues & their Lupine forebears & cousins are highly visual animals. Despite some 20-40,000 years of domestication, evolution & selective breeding into the hundreds individual working & companion breeds in the interim, they seem to remain so. Some more than others granted, yet visual commands, "sign language", facial expression, bodily posture & other forms of non-verbal communication are an integral aspect of canine interaction with both humans and their own kind. In certain circumstances, both instinctive & learned behaviours will also reflect their response to visual stimuli from other unrelated herding & prey species too (hunting, herding & livestock guardian breeds esp).
I've seen a Shepherding dog that could discern & identify a single particular individual sheep suffering from fly-strike from a herd of hundreds & from a distance of a couple of hundred meters & upwind, where her olfactory supersense would be of limited usefulness. I think dogs pick up subtle visual (& of course olfactory) cues to determine such information as emotion, demeanour, temper, fear and risk analysis. Anybody intimately familiar with the creatures will I'm guessing be extremely familiar with their intellect and acuity to visual stimuli. Hearing appears to be one of the species' weaker senses, and the requisite processing portions of their brain much smaller & less well developed than their other "supersenses".
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"If the author meant "Don't use your own anger to train the dog", then that's good advice. If the author meant (and this is what I gather from the 'fur baby' thing) that you must always speak goo-goo lovingly, then that just won't work. No more than it will with people."
+1 and a bunch.....
People who are angry and frustrated when training any animal should just get a pet rock.
Far more compliant on the stay command.
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"If the author meant "Don't use your own anger to train the dog", then that's good advice. If the author meant (and this is what I gather from the 'fur baby' thing) that you must always speak goo-goo lovingly, then that just won't work. No more than it will with people."
+1 and a bunch.....
People who are angry and frustrated when training any animal should just get a pet rock.
Far more compliant on the stay command.
Exactly...... But I imagine people who think their dogs are children need to be told not to yell at them in anger.
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We have five dogs, all rescues. Two were from offspring that couldn't take proper care of them. They are all different. The standard poodle is a hard headed idiot. A loud stern voice is needed with him. The teacup poodle is old and deaf and she does her thing and is pretty mellow. The chiweiner is pretty good, just need to raise your voice a bit to get her attention she is always on a search for something to eat. Mom's Yorkie is spoiled rotten and nothing can get her to mind. Just let her do her thing. The last is a Yorkie we just rescued in February. We don't much about him except that we believe he was a major player in a puppy mill who was dumped when he was no longer use and started to have a health that requires daily treatment for the rest f his life. He has also been abused something awful. He obviously will do whatever it takes to avoid being hit. He is still leary of me and cowers when I reach over to pet him. However I am his favorite and he doesn't like it when I am out of his sight. I have to be extremely gentle with him. Even if he has an accident in the house he knows he has done wrong and all you have to do is say his name and he gets that sorry look in his eyes and demeanor. So every dog must be treated in its own way. Now, our cats, that's a different story. :grin:
kk