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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: Jerryd on November 18, 2019, 12:53:29 PM
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https://www.motorcyclistonline.com/2020-moto-guzzi-v7-iii-stone-s-preview/
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I like it. A lot.
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I immediately thought the "S" would denote a big upgrade for the suspension. Silly me.
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Looks good.
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that bike is as special as a pimple on a fifteen year old!
BORING!
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Wow Guzzi really pushed the envelope with this :thumb:. New tank emblem, leather tank flog AND thinner rear fender all in the same model year :bow: :bow:
I'll agree it does take us back to the 70's……...1978 exactly when the V50 was released. Who'd a thunk 41 years later Guzzi would still be trying to squeeze the teat for more.
Same old turd just a different color of polish
YAWN!
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Never quite sure why the negative comments so often on the V7. It's styling-nothing inherently wrong with that, is there?
Yes, I understand it's "limited performance." Doesn't seem to bother a lot of owners.
Serious question. What am I missing? Keep it focused on motorcycles, please! :azn:
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I'll agree it does take us back to the 70's……...1978 exactly when the V50 was released. Who'd a thunk 41 years later Guzzi would still be trying to squeeze the teat for more.
Same old turd just a different color of polish
YAWN!
Funny! Now that´s exactly why I bought my Stone new in 2013.
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Never quite sure why the negative comments so often on the V7. It's styling-nothing inherently wrong with that, is there?
Yes, I understand it's "limited performance." Doesn't seem to bother a lot of owners.
Serious question. What am I missing? Keep it focused on motorcycles, please! :azn:
Would you get excited if Ford re-released the Pinto using the same, body, frame, suspension with a bored out engine and LED headlights wih an paint job inspired by a GT500. Then for the next 10 years bring out a new paint shceme or wrap the steering wheel in pleather as the highlight for that model year to make it stand out from previous years.
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Same old turd just a different color of polish
Put me down as a fan of polished turds. I like it! :grin:
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Never quite sure why the negative comments so often on the V7. It's styling-nothing inherently wrong with that, is there?
Yes, I understand it's "limited performance." Doesn't seem to bother a lot of owners.
Serious question. What am I missing? Keep it focused on motorcycles, please! :azn:
Some of u s want better, premium suspension.
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OK. I get that.
But I don't think I would care. Further, one always votes with their pocketbook. And that's the beauty of it, eh? We get to get what we want.
But, I don't think the Ford thing is the complete story. It appears that some want something else from the factory-a different allocation of resources and talent-in the form of a different motorcycle-is that it? THAT is always an interesting discussion.
Is the model too long in the tooth? Is performance "lacking"? Is an Aerostitch the Ford Pinto of motorcycle suits? Interested to hear how it all plays out. Lots of folks here know what they are talking about.
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Rocker,
Couldn't agree more. That seems to be a issue with new motorcycles at every stage of the price scale.
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Would you get excited if Ford re-released the Pinto using the same, body, frame, suspension with a bored out engine and LED headlights wih an paint job inspired by a GT500. Then for the next 10 years bring out a new paint shceme or wrap the steering wheel in pleather as the highlight for that model year to make it stand out from previous years.
That was a laughingly stupid analogy on the basis that it was so extremely exaggerated it cannot be taken seriously.
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Would you get excited if Ford re-released the Pinto using the same, body, frame, suspension with a bored out engine and LED headlights wih an paint job inspired by a GT500. Then for the next 10 years bring out a new paint shceme or wrap the steering wheel in pleather as the highlight for that model year to make it stand out from previous years.
No, but e.g. the Volkswagen Beetle. Or the Jaguar E-Type. Or the Mercedes-Benz Pagoda. Or the Renault Floride.
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Put me down as a fan of polished turds. I like it! :grin:
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Me too.
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I think it's probably the coolest of any limited/special release V7 to date
I'd take this over any Racer they have produced so far, the various cafesport/ milano/ rough/ night/ carbon.... or any of the other special editions. LED lighting as actually a worthwhile upgrade on a bike like this that's built for intown riding or commuting with occasional twisty backroad jaunts.
If you want ohlins, buy some ohlins and put them on there... maybe you are silly enough to think a $7k moto with under 50hp needs 3k worth of rear shocks... not me. No one is draggin a knee on a MG 750.... Top of the line racing shocks on this bike are akin to putting a big spoiler and a fart can muffler on your stock Honda Civic. Now if you are a suspension geek (90% of motorcyclists dont know anything about suspension beyond preload adjustment) you could always get some Icon shocks and a fork kit for $5-800... That would be fitting. But you guys acting like a bike with a 100mph top speed and a single front disc needs a full ohlins suspension upgrade are crazy.
Only thing it needs IMHO is a tach. But it looks awesome, love the rear end (lights & fender) and the tank finish especially.
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The V7 is a beautiful, well finished motorcycle. It's not a sportbike. It's not a full dress touring bike. It's a standard motorcycle. Whine and bitch about what it isn't or what it doesn't have and you look like a clown. I know this because I used to whine and bitch that it didn't have enough horsepower. When I gained some perspective and accepted the bike for what it is, I learned to appreciate it more.
A normal enthusiast wouldn't whine that a Nighthawk didn't have the same suspension as a CBR1000RR. That sort of thing happens here daily. Whole bunch of bike snobs posting without adding anything but negativity.
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If you want ohlins, buy some ohlins and put them on there... maybe you are silly enough to think a $7k moto with under 50hp needs 3k worth of rear shocks... not me. No one is draggin a knee on a MG 750.... Top of the line racing shocks on this bike are akin to putting a big spoiler and a fart can muffler on your stock Honda Civic. Now if you are a suspension geek (90% of motorcyclists dont know anything about suspension beyond preload adjustment) you could always get some Icon shocks and a fork kit for $5-800... That would be fitting. But you guys acting like a bike with a 100mph top speed and a single front disc needs a full ohlins suspension upgrade are crazy.
You don't get it. That's OK. The bikes seem to sell well at their pricepoint with their shitebox forks and shocks.
If a maker names a bike "S", "Sport", "R", "Racer", the expectation is upgraded forks, shocks, brakes, wheels, tires.
I have enjoyed several motorcycles over the past couple decades which were equipped with nice suspenion. If you have not, you don't know what you're missing. And horsepower has nothing to do with it. These bikes could benefit from better cycle parts.
Those of us who want the nice suspension understand that it won't be at a $6990 price point, but we'll have to pay for it. Just look at the offerings from Triumph. You can buy a bargain basement Bonneville with shitebox suspension. You can buy a Bonneville with top-shelf brakes, shocks, wheels/tires, and USD forks.
Guzzi really has jumped the shark with the never ending parade of "bold new graphics" "models" on the V7 platform.
Give me a V7 III S with nice piggyback shocks, nice USD fork, 17" wheels/tires, dual disk brakes. No, it doesn't have to be Ohlins, though that would be great. Showa would be fine.
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the brand has exactly one bike that actually sells and you guys with 30 year old 'sport' bikes (that werent even segment class beaters when they were new) shit all over it... ponderous
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The V7 is a beautiful, well finished motorcycle. It's not a sportbike. It's not a full dress touring bike. It's a standard motorcycle. Whine and bitch about what it isn't or what it doesn't have and you look like a clown. I know this because I used to whine and bitch that it didn't have enough horsepower. When I gained some perspective and accepted the bike for what it is, I learned to appreciate it more.
A normal enthusiast wouldn't whine that a Nighthawk didn't have the same suspension as a CBR1000RR. That sort of thing happens here daily. Whole bunch of bike snobs posting without adding anything but negativity.
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The V7 line is certainly no race bike. With that said it's still a reasonable goal to have a decent ride when you hit a bump/pothole/frost heave. My Stelvio NTX had great suspension so I know that Guzzi can build a bike with a better ride. Somehow Ducati was able to offer a suspension upgrade on my Multistrada for about $1K (to Ohlins, BTW). The stock forks and shocks on the V7 line are, for the most part, bargain basement units. I am convinced that Guzzi could offer a V7 Special or Stone with far better suspension and charge less than $1K...far less. As it is we are stuck with shocks that are over sprung and no spring options, limited valving adjustment. On the front end we have old school metering rod forks with no adjustment.
As delivered I could not ride my V7 for more than 100 miles because the suspension was so hard on my back. If that makes me sound like a whiner...so be it. At this point in life I'd like to avoid another bout of back surgery. The last round was all the fun I could stand!
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the brand has exactly one bike that actually sells and you guys with 30 year old 'sport' bikes (that werent even segment class beaters when they were new) shit all over it... ponderous
I can guarantee you that the Marzocchi M1 forks and WP rear shock on my 1996 Sport 1100 are better than any suspension applied to a V7/V9, to date. Even at 23 years old !!!
I actually considered converting the last V7 I owned to the vintage Marzocchi front suspension, because I like it so much, and the stock forks on my 2014 V7 were so abysmal. Alas, I got my head straight and just sold the V7... Now I'm content to shout from the rooftops, hoping Guzzi will hear the call to actually provide a suspenion/brake/wheel option for the small block line.
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Maybe Ashville, NC had perfect roads-never been there. But the northeast has horrible under maintained frost heaved roads in some of the best twisties. Stock, as delivered V7 shocks and forks are, as Rocker points out , SHITE! As others have pointed out, there is ZERO chance of setting up the stock V7 so as to not get launched out of the seat dozens of times before a lunch stop. And that experience does not require "race speed" on a public road.
Hamlin, who lives and rides all over New England has become one of the go to shops for upgrades-from basic to "all the way". It makes a HUGE difference in enjoyment of the modified motorcycle-at any speed.
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I have enjoyed several motorcycles over the past couple decades which were equipped with nice suspenion. If you have not, you don't know what you're missing. And horsepower has nothing to do with it. These bikes could benefit from better cycle parts.
This is so true!
I've enjoyed the Ohlins shocks on many of my two wheelers and what a difference in just everyday riding they can make.
I put them on my Beemer and every time I have had them rebuilt if I need to take a trip I reinstall the stock stuff and it makes a huge difference in the ride quality.
:-)
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The V7 doesn't have Ohlins for the same reason my Ducati Scrambler doesn't and the SV650 doesn't and all of the other middleweight standards don't. The 7-8k price point is extremely competitive. If you think there are thousands, hundreds or even dozens of US riders pining away, with fistfulls of cash for a 45hp motorcycle with two thousand dollars worth of suspension you're out of your mind. There aren't.
You don't put a Swarovski Z8i on a Daisy Red Rider.
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It’s been stated already, and it’s demonstrable if someone wants to do the homework, 9 out of 10 riders ride what their bike came with and never change a thing. They apparently don’t know or don’t care that better suspensions are available. It’s easy for owners who want too, to upgrade after purchase with lots of options.
Guzzi sells far fewer v7s than Triumph sells Bonnevilles. The difference in scale may have a good deal to do with why Triumph does and Guzzi does not?
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Maybe Ashville, NC had perfect roads-never been there. But the northeast has horrible under maintained frost heaved roads in some of the best twisties. Stock, as delivered V7 shocks and forks are, as Rocker points out , SHITE! As others have pointed out, there is ZERO chance of setting up the stock V7 so as to not get launched out of the seat dozens of times before a lunch stop. And that experience does not require "race speed" on a public road.
BOOM - you may have hit on something here.
Come to think of it the time my Jackal broke the HB luggage rack (after hitting a bump) I was on my way to the Damn Yankee Beemer/Guzzi Rally.
PA has SOME crappy roads, or so I thought when I lived there, but my somewhat infrequent trips to new england states were sometimes shocking with regards to the extent of the frost heaves.
NJ roads (except some urban pot-holed areas) are generally pretty damn good.
And thinking back on last months road trip to AL and back there were WAY MORE good roads than bad (with regards to pavement quality).
NOW COUPLE ALL OF THAT WITH THE FACT THAT I SET UP THE STOCK SUSPENSION ON MY MK I STONE SO THAT I WAS RARELY EVER LAUNCHED FROM THE SEAT.
I think that at least SOME of what we are seeing in this thread are differences in ambient conditions.
Other differences are probably in simple preference (expectations), riding style (aggressiveness), etc.
Our current fleet has 4 bikes, 3 with completely stock suspensions and 1 that has a set of take-off shocks that I bought ALONG with a seat I wanted for less than either would have cost. I might still have the stock shocks otherwise. And I have no need/plan/desire to change the stock FORK on the Mk I stone (or MK III Dark).
I might feel differently if I lived or rode somewhere else under different conditions.
And I've ridden plenty of (even owned a few) bikes with MUCH better suspension. I KNOW the difference. I just don't value it the same as some of you guys. And that's fine. But then frankly either this bike isn't for you, or at least it isn't for you AT THIS PRICE POINT.
As for the constant stream of negativity and umbrage, it's stupid. Move on.
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Exactly Kev. The v7, for a small Italian mfg, is surprisingly competitive in virtually all areas with its direct competition such as the 883, T100, Int650 and similar. Let’s find another horse to beat.
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I think that at least SOME of what we are seeing in this thread are differences in ambient conditions.
And rider weight.
The suspension is designed for a rider of a certain weight, and as a cheap/economy system, if you're far from that ideal weight, the suspension will be even worse.
Rich A
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I think that at least SOME of what we are seeing in this thread are differences in ambient conditions.
And rider weight.
The suspension is designed for a rider of a certain weight, and as a cheap/economy system, if you're far from that ideal weight, the suspension will be even worse.
Rich A
ABSOLUTELY - On a Harley 883 every(guy) bitches about the suspension, but my petite wife found it just fine.
On a MK I V7 a lot of the smaller guys around here talked about being launched, but I don't know how many big guys like me ever mentioned it.
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Maybe the V-7 shocks are made for Tn. Roads , They seem to work just fine around here and many points South of here too. Ridding solo they might be a little stiff , but the wife loves that Corbin dual seat and a little added weight makes it ride great ! :thumb:
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I think the real question everyone should ask is why doesn't it have a supercharger? A supercharger is cheaper than a set of Ohlins shocks and forks. Every $7,000 should have a supercharger AND Ohlins suspension. It should also weigh under 350lbs. I'm sure the liberal use of titanium and magnesium would get it down to 350lbs. While Guzzi is at it, they might as well improve the fuel economy. A hybrid drive with regenerative braking would do the trick.
No matter what though, they can't go much above 8-9k in the MSRP. As long as they can add a supercharger, full Ohlins, magnesium and titanium everywhere and hybrid power for 8 grand I'm sure they'd sell at least eleven in the US. Maybe twelve.
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I think the real question everyone should ask is why doesn't it have a supercharger? A supercharger is cheaper than a set of Ohlins shocks and forks. Every $7,000 should have a supercharger AND Ohlins suspension. It should also weigh under 350lbs. I'm sure the liberal use of titanium and magnesium would get it down to 350lbs. While Guzzi is at it, they might as well improve the fuel economy. A hybrid drive with regenerative braking would do the trick.
No matter what though, they can't go much above 8-9k in the MSRP. As long as they can add a supercharger, full Ohlins, magnesium and titanium everywhere and hybrid power for 8 grand I'm sure they'd sell at least eleven in the US. Maybe twelve.
No way man, I'm going to wait 3 years & buy a new old stock one off the showroom floor for pennies on the dollar! HAHA
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You don't get it. That's OK. The bikes seem to sell well at their pricepoint with their shitebox forks and shocks.
If a maker names a bike "S", "Sport", "R", "Racer", the expectation is upgraded forks, shocks, brakes, wheels, tires.
I have enjoyed several motorcycles over the past couple decades which were equipped with nice suspenion. If you have not, you don't know what you're missing. And horsepower has nothing to do with it. These bikes could benefit from better cycle parts.
Those of us who want the nice suspension understand that it won't be at a $6990 price point, but we'll have to pay for it. Just look at the offerings from Triumph. You can buy a bargain basement Bonneville with shitebox suspension. You can buy a Bonneville with top-shelf brakes, shocks, wheels/tires, and USD forks.
Guzzi really has jumped the shark with the never ending parade of "bold new graphics" "models" on the V7 platform.
Give me a V7 III S with nice piggyback shocks, nice USD fork, 17" wheels/tires, dual disk brakes. No, it doesn't have to be Ohlins, though that would be great. Showa would be fine.
At least one other person gets it!
Maybe the "S" stands for "same old" and not "sport"
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To be clear, I knew exactly what I was getting for my $$$$. I fully expected Jim to change the front and rear to my preference. I have ZERO issue with that-it's the cost of cool. What I like is that the bike is what I like.
I don't blame the OE's at all. As stated, many never change as much as pre-load. Nobody says you have to.
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No, Rockers right, you just don’t, “get it”. :rolleyes:
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Looks like a very nice looking bike, I would ride it. Very nice... Besides this bike has more than adequate capabilities for 90% of riders out there anyway. :rolleyes:
Tony C
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So, what you're saying is some are simply doomed to an inferior existence?
Such is life............... ...
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Surely, Guzzi could put on a set of premium suspension components on a V7 for the cost difference between the basic and better parts ($500-1000?). That would be fine for a rider weighing, maybe 150-170 lbs, but what would the dealer do if the buyer weighed 195 lbs and wanted the suspension adjusted accordingly?
The dealer would have to remove some the premium parts that came with the bike and replace the springs etc. to tailor the suspension for the difference in the riders' weights. So, the dealer would say something like, “The replacement kit from Guzzi is $500 (?), and it will cost $300 (?) to install it. We could have it here in a week if it is in stock and it would be about another week to install it.”
This wouldn’t seem like a great deal for either the buyer or dealer.
Rich A
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Surely, Guzzi could put on a set of premium suspension components on a V7 for the cost difference between the basic and better parts ($500-1000?). That would be fine for a rider weighing, maybe 150-170 lbs, but what would the dealer do if the buyer weighed 195 lbs and wanted the suspension adjusted accordingly?
The dealer would have to remove some the premium parts that came with the bike and replace the springs etc. to tailor the suspension for the difference in the riders' weights. So, the dealer would say something like, “The replacement kit from Guzzi is $500 (?), and it will cost $300 (?) to install it. We could have it here in a week if it is in stock and it would be about another week to install it.”
This wouldn’t seem like a great deal for either the buyer or dealer.
Rich A
I honestly don't understand your comment, so I'll give you some examples of my own experiences with Guzzis which came with nice suspension:
1996 Sport 1100. WP shock was fantastic as delivered. Just dialed in preload to my satisfaction and set the damping on the dials. It was good for over 20 years, never requiring a rebuild. Marzocchi M1 fork was good, as delivered, but a little softly sprung. After a decade of ownership, I installed WP springs, and 10wt oil replaced the 7.5wt oil. Then it was perfect.
2004 Nero Corsa. Ohlins at both ends. Very nice, as delivered, for solo riding. Just a few adjustments to preload and damping had me set for several years. It was a very nice suspension. Then, one day I started using the bike for 2-up touring. Adding the passenger showed that the rear spring was too light. So, I removed the shock, and replaced the spring with a heavier Ohlins piece. Adjusted preload and damping to taste, then it was good for the remaining years and tens of thousands of miles which I owned it.
Both bikes were well balanced and handled pavement imperfections nicely as delivered, and were easy to adapt to my changing needs. That was only possible because both bikes came with nice, adjustable suspension, from the factory.
I've had similar experiences with Showa-equipped Triumphs and Ducatis.
Oh, and like many American Guzzisti, I'm well north of 200 lbs.
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Basically, my argument is that the function of the suspension is dependent on the weight of the rider plus the weight of the bike (plus any accessories)--I don't think there is any doubt about that. Guzzi can't provide a premium suspension that would be optimized for all riders because their weights vary over quite a large range. It would be expensive to have the shocks and forks modified to suit someone outside the target weight range (I don't know that that is, but I can't imagine it'd be more than +/- 20 lbs).
Rich A
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And not for nothing but BOTH the 1996 Sport 1100 and 2004 Nero Corsa were far from the base models in the line-up at the time, correct?!?
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https://www.motorcycle.com/specs/moto-guzzi/standard/2004/v11/le-mans-nero-corsa.html
shows the base price of the 2004 Nero Corsa as $13,990. The inflation calculator (https://www.in2013dollars.com/us/inflation/2004?amount=13990) shows that as $19,059.13 in 2019 dollars.
Rich
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And not for nothing but BOTH the 1996 Sport 1100 and 2004 Nero Corsa were far from the base models in the line-up at the time, correct?!?
What was the base model that the was upgraded to make the 1996 Sport?
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And not for nothing but BOTH the 1996 Sport 1100 and 2004 Nero Corsa were far from the base models in the line-up at the time, correct?!?
this is what i was thinking? The flagship sport bikes of the model year vs. the entry level retro standard??
Of course everyone is assuming that the Stone 'S' is supposed to be a 'Stone Sport' but maybe the S stands for special or stupendous or same-old same-old or Silly underpowered shitebox?
Seems like if the Stone S was supposed to be a 'Sport' designation, it would have clip-ons and rearsets and/or a solo seat?
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this is what i was thinking? The flagship sport bikes of the model year vs. the entry level retro standard??
Of course everyone is assuming that the Stone 'S' is supposed to be a 'Stone Sport' but maybe the S stands for special or stupendous or same-old same-old or Silly underpowered shitebox?
Seems like if the Stone S was supposed to be a 'Sport' designation, it would have clip-ons and rearsets and/or a solo seat?
More like - Stone "S"imilar
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https://www.motorcycle.com/specs/moto-guzzi/standard/2004/v11/le-mans-nero-corsa.html
shows the base price of the 2004 Nero Corsa as $13,990. The inflation calculator (https://www.in2013dollars.com/us/inflation/2004?amount=13990) shows that as $19,059.13 in 2019 dollars.
Rich
There is some falacy in your assertion... Straight calculations like that don't translate to real world pricing. Inflation, or currency rate of exchange...
2009 V7 Classic - MSRP $8490 ($10,184 in 2019 dollars)
2019 V7 III Stone - MSRP $8990
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And not for nothing but BOTH the 1996 Sport 1100 and 2004 Nero Corsa were far from the base models in the line-up at the time, correct?!?
1996 Sport 1100 was the only model in its family that year. In 1997, Guzzi added Daytona RS above the Sport 1100 injection.
Yes, in 2004, standard V11 Sport/LeMans came with Marzocchi forks. The premium models had Ohlins.
The entry level Marzochhis from the V11 were nice and would be a huge improvement over stock on a V7 III.
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1996 Sport 1100 was the only model in its family that year. In 1997, Guzzi added Daytona RS above the Sport 1100 injection.
Yes, in 2004, standard V11 Sport/LeMans came with Marzocchi forks. The premium models had Ohlins.
The entry level Marzochhis from the V11 were nice and would be a huge improvement over stock on a V7 III.
You mis-understand.
Neither the Sport 1100 or the V11 Sport/LeMans were BASE LEVEL MODELS for the BRAND.
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this is what i was thinking? The flagship sport bikes of the model year vs. the entry level retro standard??
There is a wide gulf, filled with good options, between USD Ohlins and the conventional bargain basement stock suspension of the V7 line.
While I would love to see Ohlins front and rear on the top shelf V7/V9 variant, there are lots of options in-between that would be worlds better than current OEM. I'm sure Showa has a number of options to fill that bill.
Every one of the many "models" and variations of the V7 and V9 have the same crappy forks, and that's too bad...
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You mis-understand.
Neither the Sport 1100 or the V11 Sport/LeMans were BASE LEVEL MODELS for the BRAND.
You are correct, sir.
However, the Californias had really nice forks that would be a huge upgrade on the V7s.
This is not an either/or discussion. Zero or 100%. Top or Bottom. There are many better suspension options out there that would make the V7/V9 line much nicer to live with.
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You are correct, sir.
However, the Californias had really nice forks that would be a huge upgrade on the V7s.
This is not an either/or discussion. Zero or 100%. Top or Bottom. There are many better suspension options out there that would make the V7/V9 line much nicer to live with.
Ok. Totally agree with this post. An incremental upgrade in suspension components would make a really nice bike...nicer. What I don’t agree with is people thinking that a 45hp bike needs Öhlins to sell. The V7 is far and away the most popular model for Guzzi and has been since it was introduced. I think the V7 is in an extremely price sensitive segment. There is no market for an 11 or 12 thousand dollar V7. You’re not getting a full Öhlins suspension for an additional 5-800 on the MSRP. It’s usually more like 2-3k. The S could have had rebound adjustment added to the preload on the shocks and at least compression adjustment on the forks for 5-800. If I was going to buy a V7 and that was the price difference between the S and a regular Stone I’d certainly pay the premium.
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FYI both the Racer and Bobber Sport have Ohlins shocks now.
The Stone however is THE lowest price variant in the whole Guzzi lineup.
Please show me the competitive 750cc, $8-9k, base-model that even has rebound adjustment on their shocks?
The Street Twin and T100 Bonnies@ $9100-$10.5k (nope)
The HD Street 750 @ $7599 (nope)
The Harley 883 Iron @ $8999 (nope)
The Ducati Scramblers @ $9500-$11k (nope)
Note: I'm not sure about the HD Street Rod, it does have piggyback reservoir shocks at only $8699, but the website doesn't mention adjustability.
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FYI both the Racer and Bobber Sport have Ohlins shocks now.
and, unfortunately, they have the same forks as the others.
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and, unfortunately, they have the same forks as the others.
AND the 2020 Racer is losing even the rear Ohlins :-/
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tOf course everyone is assuming that the Stone 'S' is supposed to be a 'Stone Sport' but maybe the S stands for special or stupendous or same-old same-old or Silly underpowered shitebox?
Probably satin. As in satin chrome tank.
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and, unfortunately, they have the same forks as the others.
And what models of their competitors have Ohlins forks and at what prices?
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And what models of their competitors have Ohlins forks and at what prices?
As I've repeatedly noted, it's not simply about "Ohlins". It's about anything that's better than the crap forks found on Every farking V7 and V9 in the lineup...
But for comparison, I would like to refer you to the Triumph Bonneville website.
https://www.triumphmotorcycles.com/motorcycles/classic
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As I've repeatedly noted, it's not simply about "Ohlins". It's about anything that's better than the crap forks found on Every farking V7 and V9 in the lineup...
But for comparison, I would like to refer you to the Triumph Bonneville website.
https://www.triumphmotorcycles.com/motorcycles/classic
I'm well familiar with the Bonnies. And I don't think you see better forks until at least the T120.
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"Cheap" is one of the reasons I bought a Stone. I knew I'd throw away the crap stock shocks and fork internals right away.
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But a T120 starts at almost 3 thousand dollars more than a v7 Stone, I wonder why???
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But a T120 starts at almost 3 thousand dollars more than a v7 Stone, I wonder why???
Because it's a better bike with a better company behind it?
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Really Joliet? That’s how you want to go at this? :afro:
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As I've repeatedly noted, it's not simply about "Ohlins". It's about anything that's better than the crap forks found on Every farking V7 and V9 in the lineup...
But for comparison, I would like to refer you to the Triumph Bonneville website.
https://www.triumphmotorcycles.com/motorcycles/classic
I actually own a V7iii. The front forks are fully adjustable, compression, rebound, preload, custom sprung for me. Matris parts. Cost about $750. Rear has fully adjustable piggy back shocks. Matris again. $1,500. Had the suspension set up professionally by a tuner. Could not be happier. Ride is almost plush. Rails on sweepers in the canyons. College son (he sold his bike to back to school) rides it up the crest when he is in town, and does get a knee down. I don’t, but do get my boot scraping from time to time. Son will wring her out on the crest, manages to melt the tires a bit. Always has a smile from the ride.
The hp is fine if you are not looking to go to jail, just need to ride the PACE and maintain corner speed. Bike is tons of fun. And it has a Big gas tank and shaft drive, so I enjoy it as a daily commuter.
I understand as a rider of a small block many here don’t consider me to be a real Guzzi Owner, but I love this versatile modest bike.
I am very interested in this new Stone with LED lights. Really want to know if the LED lights will be plug and play with my 2017 V7iii. Hoping so.
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bravo socal:
thanks for injecting some sense into this conversation. yes, you buy the stone for whatever, say $8,000 and put another $2,000 and have just the bike you want for about the same price as the stock triumph. i have no beef with any triumph, but some people like them and some like mg, both are good. like many v7 riders, you are not looking for high horsepower because if you can ride the bike closer to your and its limits, you don't really need it.
i have always thought if you want to go faster in the turns with more confidence, then the best mechanical mod for any bike is the suspension (rider training is really the overall best). 10 more horsepower will not get your through faster and safer than better suspension. several bikes ago, on a bmw k1200rs, a very fast but slightly top-heavy bike, i ordered ohlins front and back and the factory wanted to know my weight, preferred riding style and luggage use before choosing the springing. i admit that a factory upgrade would probably improve any model but not as much as if you custom order it.
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bravo socal:
thanks for injecting some sense into this conversation. yes, you buy the stone for whatever, say $8,000 and put another $2,000 and have just the bike you want for about the same price as the stock triumph.
I'm not sure which side of the argument you're supporting.
But I'll just say that the reason Guzzi doesn't do it (at least on most of the line) is the market that gives THAT much of a shit about the suspension is NOT the majority. I.E. most people who are buying a V7 or Triumph classic don't care as much about the suspension as they do that $2k.
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Bingo. As stated above, one who values these things can buy and mod a bike for the same or even less that others in the same category.
How can one argue with that? It's a win!
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sorry if not clear. i come down on the side of the status quo for the v7 when it comes to suspension and engine power as delivered. it gives a good starting point for some or a less expensive end point for others.
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Its adequate I like the V7's, but a dozen variations with none of particular distinction from the others. I would have expected the "S" would have some WOW factor.