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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: rjamesohio on January 11, 2020, 06:35:53 AM
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I enjoyed window shopping this video tour of the new machines!
A couple notes:
1) The HD is fugly. Sorry - I wish that were not the case because it would be awesome to have a US entry again (see Buell Ulysses)
2) The bags on the MV are gorgeous
3) The Suzuki is lovely!
4) put a show babe on the seat and choose between looking at the bike or.... Nice touch with the apples MV - forbidden fruit allusion?
Which were your Favs? Or maybe you own one of these?
https://youtu.be/O1_OPXalLQE
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Thanks for the video. I like the KTM and the BMW.
All nice though. :bike-037:
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Personally I think all these types of bikes lack looks appeal and the HD is no more ugly than the rest. Just saying:(
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Thanks for sharing that , all look like space ships to my eyes. I think they kind of confirm what a nice balance the v85 achieved in this segment. Sure feel old seeing what modern motorcycles have morphed into. I'll bet they could be a fun thing to try but don't think I'd want to own one.
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Personally I think all these types of bikes lack looks appeal and the HD is no more ugly than the rest. Just saying:(
:thumb: :thumb:
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Ammo can panniers May be practical but they are hideous. So is the beak that seems to be a prerequisite on adv bikes. I Personally preferred the MV (even without the bike babes). Suzuki was sharp but the beak ruined it even though the stylists incorporated it nicely. The Benelli seems as though they were trying to “outbeak” the rest
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The only thing I see that is ugly on the HD is the front headlight cowl. The rest of the bike is typical of the rest of the segment, IMO.
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I agree with much of the above. Impressive technology. Just doesn't turn on my heart light. Not really applicable to my riding style, where I ride, my height, or my age.
A post 1996 Suzuki DR650 is still the best fit for my riding, my location, and general simplicity/functionality. Tinkerability and after market farkles are a big bonus.
If you haven't tried one out yet do so. As a former editor of Cycle World said "Every time I ride a DR 650 I wonder, why don't I own one of these?"
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Every one of these abominations make the V85 look like a divinely inspired fine art sculpture. There's no contest!
Of these, I think the Harley is the least hideous. At least there's a discernible tank and no ridiculous proboscis.
I'm also puzzled as to why a manufacturer would cover a bike made to leave civilization with multiple layers of convoluted bits of plastic. Does all that crap offer some sort of protection? Seems to me that it would just impede field repairs while offering all manner of accumulation points for dust, mud, water and bugs.
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One they didn't show is the new Husqvarna Norden. I think it will be well received.
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I mostly agree with all the other grey beards here. The white fairing on the HD gave it an unfinished look. Was that a chain drive on the Harley?
The KTM and the MV were most appealing to me, but that means nothing as I am a roadster sort of guy.
If you want an adventure, ride a 50 year old 250 across the country. Pfffftt!
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All of them are about as sexy as Roseanne Barr. :rolleyes:
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Sexy?
All Adventure Bikes are ugly.
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Watched the video. Not that I needed any reinforcement in my decision to buy the V 85, but after reviewing all those bikes, I am completely satisfied with the TT. So many of those bikes just look "busy & cluttered" to me. A buddy of mine has corresponded with me during this past year and a half of research leading to purchase of my Guzzi. He just pulled the trigger on one 2 days ago, and there may be another pal that will do the same by summer. I feel good about joining the fold and influencing a few more to follow along. As a side note, I think the Norden will be another appealing motorcycle.
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I'm also puzzled as to why a manufacturer would cover a bike made to leave civilization with multiple layers of convoluted bits of plastic. Does all that crap offer some sort of protection? Seems to me that it would just impede field repairs while offering all manner of accumulation points for dust, mud, water and bugs.
Yes, these bikes are meant to cover big miles and long hours at high speeds in extreme conditions. Wind and weather protection is important.
What I don't get is why manufacturers cover adventure bikes in the same shiny brittle plastic as they use on street bikes. Why not use dirt bike plastics that are more flexible and take abuse better? Unless they are trying to appeal to the "ooh, shiny" segment. I have come to appreciate these adventure bikes for function almost exclusively, because yeah, they are mostly ugly with the handguards, crash bars, bash plates, vertical windscreens and square panniers.
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I rode GSs for about 10 years and really did "adventure tours in Oz NZ all over Europe and from Alaska to South America.
These days almost all the riders I have encountered on the road ride them on pavement for going cross country. They generally have good ergos for that sort of thing w/good range and wx protection and have never used the "adventure" part of the equation. (they are actually great transportation and will carry a ton of stuff).
Sorta like the monster 4X4 diesel pickups that have roll bars extra lights and are raised so high that you need a latter to mount, and are squeaky clean because they have never been off road.
Its an acquired taste.
:-)
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My favorites were the Harley, Yamaha, and MV. I have to agree with what was stated earlier about the bird beak look, I don’t understand why it’s a thing when you already have a fender.
Also I think Kirby nailed it about the majority of these bikes not being used off road. Which is why the ammo box saddlebags are mounted. They help protect the bike when you dump it off road. The BMW had about the best protection of the bunch in that regard. But I really think these dual sports are just the “standards” of the current generation. I know I got my Quota to basically commute on. I like tall bikes with an upright seating position.
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A true adventure bike needs to be as simple as possible to get the job done , it seems highly unlikely there will be a mechanic in Botswana or Terlingua TX who can work on any of those after it tangles with some local large fauna .
Oh , and they are all kinda ugly :laugh:
Dusty
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My favorites were the one with the leather pants and the one with the leather skirt
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I’ve enjoyed my 955 Tiger. The sit up riding position, the ability to see over SUV’s, and the versatility to be able to dust about any car on interstate or blast down a two track gravel road at 50 mph if I feel like it has been fun. Sure, it’s not as pretty to look at as my LeMans, but it’s taken me more remote places which I enjoy here in the Ozarks. It’s been a great tool for me. But that HD is as ugly as a mud fence.
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It's all wretched excess.
I can't conceive of trying to handle a bike on any loose surface if it weighs more than 200kg wet, and it should be less. Every time I look at these things I think my 400 lb F650 is as good or better on all surfaces, and can hang on the back of my van. I paid about $2000 for it.
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"Adventure bike" is a goofy category. The only thing I really like about bikes from the category is the upright seating position. You pay the price in seat height, but I find them comfy.
Interesting how the V-Strom keeps chugging along.
Hmmm...water cooled engine on the monstrous Harley. I wonder where else that will show up?
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I’d soil my pants at the thought of taking the MV anywhere serious, it’s just too “nice”.
Screaming around Lake Como on a warm evening, pissed to the eyeballs on red wine with the young tart’s Mum on the back, sort of gave me a chubby though...even her Grandma, at a pinch... :kiss: :embarrassed: (Many a good tune’s been played on an old fiddle..:wink:)
That Suzuki was worth a second look if you wanted that kind of thing..
The Harley wasn’t as ugly as I would have imagined, although my expectations were not high.
The Kwaka is just bland.
The BMW has the personality of a wooden spoon.
Benellis are a nice jigger, (always have been).
Did I miss the new trail bike from Moto Guzzi...? (I had to duck out for a second after the MV “incident..”
Speaking of which..
That Harley would make a good “tug..” :wink:
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I’ve enjoyed my 955 Tiger. The sit up riding position, the ability to see over SUV’s, and the versatility to be able to dust about any car on interstate or blast down a two track gravel road at 50 mph if I feel like it has been fun. Sure, it’s not as pretty to look at as my LeMans, but it’s taken me more remote places which I enjoy here in the Ozarks. It’s been a great tool for me. But that HD is as ugly as a mud fence.
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It's exactly the lack of flash that makes your Tigger cool , kinda like an R80 GS brought up to date a bit with a 3 cylinder engine .
Dusty
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It's exactly the lack of flash that makes your Tigger cool , kinda like an R80 GS brought up to date a bit with a 3 cylinder engine .
Dusty
It’s hard to not like a rig that’s done everything from a bun burner 1500 to a trail ride 👍
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The Harley is the nicest looking to me. The MV's lines are off, the saddlebags look almost useless.
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My favorites were the one with the leather pants and the one with the leather skirt
Finally! Someone got the 'sexy' thing! Did you think I was talking about the bikes? LOL
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I kinda like the Yamaha 700 Tenere that should be out this year. Not real big, plenty of dealers available and Yamaha's reliability. The others, not so much.
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My heart yearns for the V85TT but this little Honda might be an excellent choice for pensioners weary of heavy bikes
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All of them are about as sexy as Roseanne Barr. :rolleyes:
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My heart yearns for the V85TT but this little Honda might be an excellent choice for pensioners weary of heavy bikes
(https://powersports.honda.com/street/adventure/-/media/products/family/cb500x/hero/hero-right/cb500x/2020/2020-cb500x-1023x450.jpg)
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We had a 2014 CB500X that my wife toured on. Light weight and low power (but would cruise at 85mph and passing ability was OK when fully loaded) but was bulletproof. Never an issue. The bike was ridden to the BRP, All over Colorado, Texas Hill Country and countless Ozark trips from our home in Oklahoma. It's a budget bike from suspension and gadgets standpoint, but the rest is very well designed and made. Never did much off road (ours had a 17" front wheel) but handled everything else quite well. Oh, and have to add it got great MPG and only requires regular gas, easily getting 200 miles per tank.
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I kinda like the Yamaha 700 Tenere that should be out this year. Not real big, plenty of dealers available and Yamaha's reliability. The others, not so much.
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I can't wait to see one in person and test it out. Might be my next new bike, replacing both the WR250 and the R1200GS. That would get me down to 4 bikes! The FJR, FJ09 and Griso have very stable spots in the garage.
The GS could go to a good home for not much cash. :wink:
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That little bugger was on my short list when I ultimately got my 2018, V7III Special. That little Honda ticks a lot of boxes. I just found it a bit galling that it needs a valve adjustment at the first service, and it's a total beast to do. Of course, the Guzzi also has a much higher CGF (cool guy factor).
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1) Harley, a beautiful motorcycle stunner actually, can’t wait to test ride one.
2) if I would use it as a dirt bike the new Yamaha 700
3) one I would buy today Honda CB 500 and RR kit it.
4) the Honda AT 1100 looks even more top heavy than the 1000 and more fugly.....
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I just found it (CB500) a bit galling that it needs a valve adjustment at the first service, and it's a total beast to do.
By the time I bought mine, Sept. 2014, that first service valve check suggestion was disregarded. CB500 forum had a lot about it being overkill by Honda. At the 18,000 mile first scheduled check interval, mine needed 2 exhaust shims that were slightly snug (both only changed by two shim sizes) and probably could have gotten by without doing it. Actually wasn't that hard. Have to drop the radiator, but the cam rocker pivot shaft comes loose very easy to access the shims. One of the easier bikes to do, that has overhead cams and shims.
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For me the new Gold Standard in ADV bikes looks like it will be Husky's new Norden 901. Assuming Stephan Pierer allows KTM to manufacture it as a close facsimile of their prototype, it seems to me the most complete, carefully crafted long-range tourer on the market.
120 odd neddies, 100-ish Nm. of torques, less than 200 odd kg. of wet weight, low C of G, 'superior' integrated fuel, engine and bodywork protection & about 500 odd Km. of range. That proprietary (waterproof?) soft luggage system looks pretty good too.
The only thing missing is a cardan drive to make it in my opinion the definitive iteration of a long-range , rough road ADV to date. Assuming the price is kept within sane boundaries, that is.
It's also nowhere near as pig-ugly (in that 'beloved' insectoid, praying mantis style) as most KTM are wont to be. Not a trace of hideous orange anywhere. But, still, it's a KTM at heart. That old adage of "KTM on Sunday, ATM on Monday" high maintenance expense supposedly still applies.
https://www.rideapart.com/articles/388399/husqvarna-norden-901-adv-overview/
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The so-called "ADV bikes" of today that are heavy, convoluted, and full of brittle plastics appeals to the crowd that will, perhaps, travel on well-paved roads but think that a BMW K1200 LT is for "old men"... :wink:
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For me the new Gold Standard in ADV bikes looks like it will be Husky's new Norden 901. Assuming Stephan Pierer allows KTM to manufacture it as a close facsimile of their prototype, it seems to me the most complete, carefully crafted long-range tourer on the market.
120 odd neddies, 100-ish Nm. of torques, less than 200 odd kg. of wet weight, low C of G, 'superior' integrated fuel, engine and bodywork protection & about 500 odd Km. of range. That proprietary (waterproof?) soft luggage system looks pretty good too.
The only thing missing is a cardan drive to make it in my opinion the definitive iteration of a long-range , rough road ADV to date. Assuming the price is kept within sane boundaries, that is.
It's also nowhere near as pig-ugly (in that 'beloved' insectoid, praying mantis style) as most KTM are wont to be. Not a trace of hideous orange anywhere. But, still, it's a KTM at heart. That old adage of "KTM on Sunday, ATM on Monday" high maintenance expense supposedly still applies.
https://www.rideapart.com/articles/388399/husqvarna-norden-901-adv-overview/
There is exactly zero chance the Norden is under 440lbs. KTM is lying(like Ducati and everyone else) about the weight of the 890. It's well over 400lbs ready to ride since they list dry weight without fuel, oil, a battery, water or even fork oil. It's more like 430lbs+ ready to ride. A Norden, with beefed up subframe, luggage mounts, skitplate, fairing, etc is going to be 460-480.
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I agree with much of the above. Impressive technology. Just doesn't turn on my heart light. Not really applicable to my riding style, where I ride, my height, or my age.
A post 1996 Suzuki DR650 is still the best fit for my riding, my location, and general simplicity/functionality. Tinkerability and after market farkles are a big bonus.
If you haven't tried one out yet do so. As a former editor of Cycle World said "Every time I ride a DR 650 I wonder, why don't I own one of these?"
I had the money for a v85 burning a hole in my pocket, but while I was waiting for release date & fretting over which dealer in the 4-6hr round-trip range to buy from... I saw a nicely farkled 2014 dr650 come up on Adventure Rider in the mid 3k's... I bought that thing and havent regretted it for a second. Sure it's underpowered, but I still love it. It's pretty fun to ride, and like yourself--it fits my location and the riding I want to do perfectly.
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A true adventure bike needs to be as simple as possible to get the job done , it seems highly unlikely there will be a mechanic in Botswana or Terlingua TX who can work on any of those after it tangles with some local large fauna .
Oh , and they are all kinda ugly :laugh:
Dusty
Absolutley.....And ugly...
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There is exactly zero chance the Norden is under 440lbs. KTM is lying(like Ducati and everyone else) about the weight of the 890. It's well over 400lbs ready to ride since they list dry weight without fuel, oil, a battery, water or even fork oil. It's more like 430lbs+ ready to ride. A Norden, with beefed up subframe, luggage mounts, skitplate, fairing, etc is going to be 460-480.
If true about the KTM or MV that means the weight is the same as a KLR with 2 1/2-3 times the horsepower. I don't see these bikes as true off road machines but ones you can ride cross country on hard pavement as well as gravel roads. The V85 is still at the top of my list but also not intrigued with having to go 350 miles to buy one. Been spoiled for decades with one of the best dealerships in the country until the owner passed.
Pete
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Here's one to add to the list, the Husqvarna Norden 901 will be available in a while:
https://ultimatemotorcycling.com/2019/12/03/husqvarna-norden-901-going-into-production-adventure-touring-motorcycle/
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Quite honestly, if the name plates/logos of these were all randomly reassigned I wouldn't know the difference.
Moto
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The MV is by far the best looking in the video as well as the least likely to leave the pavement. The H-D and the Yamaha are tied for second place in the looks department. Kawasaki and Suzuki are just, well boring to look at. I literally yawned upon seeing them in the video. By far the ugliest bike is the KTM. Was it KTM’s intension to make it so ugly. BMW, again, boring and ugly. Enough of the ‘beaks’ on this type of bike. It’s so over done.
But yea, the little Guzzi V85 is quite handsome.
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If I were going to buy one of those bikes for actual touring it would have to be the Yamaha.
I would pick the Harley over the rest because of the dealer network if needed.
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If I were going to buy one of those bikes for actual touring it would have to be the Yamaha.
I would pick the Harley over the rest because of the dealer network if needed.
But do you think the general H-D dealer will be well-equipped to work on this bike?
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But do you think the general H-D dealer will be well-equipped to work on this bike?
Yes, absolutely. There’s nothing their that’s really unique. All the same parts but arranged a bit differently. No one else comes close to the H-D support/dealer network.
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back in my beemer days 97-2015, i always thought the gs would be the bike for me, but could not get past the looks. i can say the same for this entire crop we see here, just one man's opinion.
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IMHO...a lot of today's 1000+cc adventure bikes are way too big and heavy for off-road use... :wink: Lighter is better... :thumb:
If I buy an adventure bike for just putting around...it will be about this big....(200cc - 300cc) :cool: :smiley:
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IMHO...a lot of today's 1000+cc adventure bikes are way too big and heavy for off-road use... :wink: Lighter is better... :thumb:
If I buy an adventure bike for just putting around...it will be about this big....(200cc - 300cc) :cool: :smiley:
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That's a dual sport.
The Royal Enfield Himalayan and a few others meet the small Adventure bike category.
The YouTube video was mostly Adventure Touring bikes with emphasis on touring. In very capable hands they can be ridden off road.
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That's a dual sport.
The Royal Enfield Himalayan and a few others meet the small Adventure bike category.
The YouTube video was mostly Adventure Touring bikes with emphasis on touring. In very capable hands they can be ridden off road.
OK...I stand corrected... see below...:wink: :thumb: :cool:
I always have the ongoing debate with my riding friends, that any "Adventure Bike" needs to cruise at 70-75 mph on the freeways occasionally...at least that's what I would want a bike to do...otherwise, one is limited...
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OK...I stand corrected... see below...:wink: :thumb: :cool:
I always have the ongoing debate with my riding friends, that any "Adventure Bike" needs to cruise at 70-75 mph on the freeways occasionally...at least that's what I would want a bike to do...otherwise, one is limited...
(https://i.ibb.co/5Yg7NsY/Screen-Shot-2020-01-17-at-9-52-59-AM.png) (https://ibb.co/5Yg7NsY)
Niche marketing is just that, marketing. In practice, there’s no such thing as an “Adventure” bike. Nick Sanders and Sjaak Lucassen both rode R1’s around the world...African deserts, jungles, South American river crossings, etc. It would be pretty silly trying to argue that riding a bike 150,000 in five years...literally all around the world wasn’t an adventure. Therefore, a Yamaha R1 can absolutely be considered an “Adventure bike”.
It’s how you use it, not what it looks like, imho.
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There's a recent article in ADV to the effect that over the next two/three years Husqvarna will introduce adventure bikes at 500, 400, 250 and 125cc. At some point one of those will be light enough to be practical on horrible washed-out dirt roads. Odds are the smaller ones will come from India or ???
I met one of the owners of Hero. He said that after the Buell bust-up they still want to export (someday) but would need a more reliable distribution partner with a better-known brand. That could go in any number of interesting directions.
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There's a recent article in ADV to the effect that over the next two/three years Husqvarna will introduce adventure bikes at 500, 400, 250 and 125cc. At some point one of those will be light enough to be practical on horrible washed-out dirt roads. Odds are the smaller ones will come from India or ???
I met one of the owners of Hero. He said that after the Buell bust-up they still want to export (someday) but would need a more reliable distribution partner with a better-known brand. That could go in any number of interesting directions.
The Huskies are to KTM what GMC is to Chevy. They’re mostly styling exercises, though the Norden looks pretty amazing and I hope it’s introduced in a version identical to the prototype.
The KTM 390 Adventure is an incredibly homely thing, like all KTM’s, but if they’ve finally solved the head issues it’ll be a very popular bike.....until the 490 drops. The 490 is going to be a twin so maybe some riders will prefer to stick with their 390 single but I honestly don’t think that’ll be the case. I think KTM is going to slice the pie into too many pieces. I can’t believe that there’s enough room in the market for any manufacturer to have offerings in 250, 390 and 490 of the same model. Let alone also having a 125 and the 690. That’s 5 bikes with only 565cc’s across them. If KTM can’t pull it off with the main brand there’s just no way they can do it with Husky. Especially since Svartpilen’s and Vitpilen’s gather dust on showroom floors unless they have 3-4,000 dollars in discounts applied.
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OK...I stand corrected... see below...:wink: :thumb: :cool:
I always have the ongoing debate with my riding friends, that any "Adventure Bike" needs to cruise at 70-75 mph on the freeways occasionally...at least that's what I would want a bike to do...otherwise, one is limited...
(https://i.ibb.co/5Yg7NsY/Screen-Shot-2020-01-17-at-9-52-59-AM.png) (https://ibb.co/5Yg7NsY)
That's adventure touring. :grin: I do feel sorry for those who have to ride on the interstates on a motorcycle. :wink:
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Niche marketing is just that, marketing. In practice, there’s no such thing as an “Adventure” bike. Nick Sanders and Sjaak Lucassen both rode R1’s around the world...African deserts, jungles, South American river crossings, etc. It would be pretty silly trying to argue that riding a bike 150,000 in five years...literally all around the world wasn’t an adventure. Therefore, a Yamaha R1 can absolutely be considered an “Adventure bike”.
It’s how you use it, not what it looks like, imho.
Of course it is. There are not many "standard" sitting motorcycles like the V7 and Bonneville anymore so "adventure" bikes fill that niche. "adventure" bikes come in so many varieties today because they are popular. There are those that are designed as street only bikes with a styling exercise. There are those that are designed as mostly off road with long travel suspension and some type of fairing with windshield slapped on them. The term adventure bike differentiates them from sport bike, cruiser, etc., even though there are many subcategories in each of them.
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And Husky's concept bike goes into production....
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I'm betting the 250 and 125 Huskies will be sold in Asian markets. The domestic Indian market is 11 million motorcycles a year, and the "big" Royal Enfields are only about 500,000 of that -- so 10.5 million bikes at 250cc and smaller. Indian sources say 35% of new bikes are bought by women.