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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: blu guzz on May 08, 2020, 05:54:36 PM
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I have had my v85 since last July and have about 5,400 miles. I have never regretted buying this bike and do not expect to. But, I start this thread because of an interesting ride yesterday.
I live just below Cincinnati, Ohio in Kentucky. Yesterday 4 other members of the BMW Club and myself went for a ride. The smallest BMW was an R1100RT, the largest, the K1600. I think the other two were RT water boxers, I don't now the size now. Well, the V85 easily won the styling war. Those saur kraut wagons looked invisible in their somber livery next to the spicy Italian. But, there would have been no need to post for that issue because we all would have known that answer without any effort. No, as I said in the caption, power is the issue.
So, every bike was at a minimum an entire small Honda larger than my TT, one appx. double size and HP. The roads we were on were intermittent twisties with some straight, so-so pavement. In the turns, no problem keeping up and probably could have led the way through. In those turns I could just select 3rd or 4th and ride the torque wave and the bike was as effortless as ever and the great suspension never got ruffled. I know the other guys were getting good workouts because I had had several of those bikes myself. In fact when we had to make a few u-turns, I just rode mine around while they paddled. No, its when we hit those straight-aways I really had to hammer it to stay with them. It's not a problem for the v85 to do, but high revving every shift is not it's happiest thing to do. This is what my old 1400 could do so well.
This has not made me rethink the bike at all and I guess my normal crowd is not so spirited, but was wondering if anyone else here has had that experience and what they think.
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Have you thought of maybe using the bike within it’s design brief ?
Did it feel “fast enough” during the test ride ?
How did the 850 Beemers go ?
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It’s “sombre...”
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“Straights are just there to connect the corners”
Several years ago I posted here a couple of videos on my V7 at a track day at sears pt. Could catch and pass lots of guys in the corners. Then watched ‘em all pass on the straights. Not sure but they might still be on YouTube.
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Comparing a V85TT to an R1200 Beemer is a Miata to Mustang Cobra comparison , and forget about the K1600 , those things are bad fast . Ride and enjoy the TT for what it is , horsepower won't make your hoo haw any bigger , it just requires more fuel and eats rear tires .
Dusty
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Wow! I didn't know Kentucky back roads had unlimited speed limits!
Personally, I need to keep my license because of several reasons so I don't go more than 10 over in the straights or curves. It is tough being the responsible one. Good thing I'm the one with the GPS among my riding friends. :grin:
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It takes no skill at all to go fast in a straight line.
Read The Pace-it will all reveal itself. Google is your friend.
All the real fun is in the turns anyway.
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I'm selling my Ducati Multistrada 1200 tomorrow (~150 hp) in favor of the V85. Sure, I'll miss some aspects of the Ducati, but I think this will be a very fair swap for me- I just enjoy the way the Guzzi feels more. Yep, it's fast enough. Would I like more? Sure, I'm as greedy as the next person. But...I think I'll be ok.
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thanks guys, good comments. In no particular order, actually, we were in ohio yesterday, no unlimited speed limit, but was last in line, just following, on the tighter, twistier less well paved KY roads, those guys would have been working very hard. these are not my usual guys, but these guys really surprised me (it was not a bad thing). i am good with the available power as i gave up more powerful but heavier bikes to have the 85 and usually ride those Kentucky snake roads. i just wanted to see what others who have experience with the bike thought. interesting about the multi-strada, my son has one. i guess i have gotten old, but i am not a fan. i usually can't wait to swap back to the v85. never ridden one of the rotax beemers but they are probably much closer in power.
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Fast is relative. 100 mph on a 1960's triumph boneville is a different experience than 100 mph on a kawi zx14.
My Hotrod 850T makes maybe 55 HP. I'd say it's fast enough for me. I have other bikes that make more.
Your V85TT makes more and you seem to really like it. That's my answer for ya.
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no
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Motorcycles, like nearly everything else, is a series of compromises. Too big an engine, too small, bikes weighs to much, not enough, the seat is too high, I feel cramped on it etc etc etc. If you prefer the overall performance of the BMW's then yes, you'll be beating up your V85 to keep up on paved roads.
The wheelbase and weight of my bike is very close to the CA 1400 Touring. Mine puts down 114 rear wheel hp and 115 rear wheel ft/lb of torque. Is that enough? Sometimes. Other times, oh yea, I'd like more.
Be content with what you have for as long as you can. Like always, ride your own ride and don't try to keep up with bigger or more powerful bikes. I guarantee you, a pro rider on your V85 could whoop up on most riders with the bigger engined bikes.
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Who'd a thunk a K1600 would not be that great on tight technical roads with crappy pavement. Next you gonna tell me Goldwing are not good track bikes.
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The V85 will go as fast as I want in the twisties and cruise 80 mph comfortably all day long on the interstate. Police officers attitudes ramp up when you are pulled over doing triple digits. I am 4 K + miles in and am totally satisfied. This is really like a best windshield or most comfortable seat question. The only question is "Is the V85TT fast enough.....for you?"
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It takes no skill at all to go fast in a straight line.
Read The Pace-it will all reveal itself. Google is your friend.
All the real fun is in the turns anyway.
:thumb:
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I think we all know it. You start with a small motorcycle, the next one has more horsepower and engine capacity and it goes on and on until you drive a fat motorcycle with a car engine. :copcar: Then comes the moment, that's how it was with me, when you realize that handling, comfort and agility are more important than this ongoing madness of our performance driven society! :bow: Higher - faster - further! :bow: I now drive a V9 with 55 hp and miss nothing.
Ciao
Lars
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You need to make it go faster so you can leave your friends behind on the straights.
And then they will want to mod their bikes to go faster on the straights.
And then.....
AndyB
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Pass 'em on the outside of a really tight turn and than ask "who's fast now?"
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Love your replies men. Lars' reply is closest to my thoughts I think, although the 85 does have a small amount of a power advantage in the upper rev range. Good philosophical discussion, thanks.
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I think we all know it. You start with a small motorcycle, the next one has more horsepower and engine capacity and it goes on and on until you drive a fat motorcycle with a car engine. :copcar: Then comes the moment, that's how it was with me, when you realize that handling, comfort and agility are more important than this ongoing madness of our performance driven society! :bow: Higher - faster - further! :bow: I now drive a V9 with 55 hp and miss nothing.
Ciao
Lars
I am gravitating to this same direction now that I am 65. I am just beginning to find myself less interested in just how fast I can cover ground, and more interested in enjoying a nice pace that doesn't keep the heart rate sky high.
And then I went to pick up my buddy's new Triumph Scrambler for him in Chicago. While I was there the owner of the Triumph/Ducati shop fired up a new Ducati Streetfighter, the 200hp job. He only revved it to 6k, but what a beast!! It instantly re-kindled the 18 year old kid in me! :evil: I don't know how long I would stay alive on this thing, but what a trip it would be!!
(https://i.postimg.cc/7LdQ5p3f/IMG-6556-2.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/v17vj2Ss)
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As John's self-appointed unofficial spokesperson and sometimes riding partner, allow me to clarify his statement. What he meant was "hell no!" :grin:
Seriously, don't need to cruise above 90 mph (speed limits in Texas have quite a few 80 and 85 that most are traveling 90+), but the real test is wanting to ride the pace on twisties and getting behind a line of vehicles following the leader going 5 under. To resume your enjoyment of the twisties, it's the 60 to 100 sprint to make the pass safe and easy that makes the difference. You need power in that situation.
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As John's self-appointed unofficial spokesperson and sometimes riding partner, allow me to clarify his statement. What he meant was "hell no!" :grin:
Seriously, don't need to cruise above 90 mph (speed limits in Texas have quite a few 80 and 85 that most are traveling 90+), but the real test is wanting to ride the pace on twisties and getting behind a line of vehicles following the leader going 5 under. To resume your enjoyment of the twisties, it's the 60 to 100 sprint to make the pass safe and easy that makes the difference. You need power in that situation.
But, if you don't speed in the straights, (while most cars do speed in the straights), you are less likely to catch up to them in the curves. One of the games I play on my local roads is if I catch up to someone and an alternate route is coming up, I tell myself "if he goes straight, I turn. He turns, I go straight." I get in an interesting ride that way. Of course where I ride you will rarely see one vehicle, never mind a line of vehicles. :grin:
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Wow! I didn't know Kentucky back roads had unlimited speed limits!
If you’re carrying moonshine all fines/limits are lifted. :grin:
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getting a ticket in a curve is rare and just a tax on fun. getting one on a straight where you aren't having fun is just a dumb waste of money!
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It's not a problem for the v85 to do, but high revving every shift is not it's happiest thing to do.
I think you have your answer.. Yes of course it is fast 'enough' Fastest? no way, that's not what a Guzzi is about. I am intrigued by your comment 'not it's happiest thing to do' I've been very impressed with my Guzzi's willingness and dare I say enjoyment at running to redline, and keeping the mill in the 55-7000 RPM ranges, and running up to redline.
I have a long time riding buddy, we met and started riding together in the late 80's early 90's when we were both on Yama XS1100's. Many miles on those bikes, cross country treks, several IBA's etc. Over the years we like many moved over to the FJR 1300. I went with Guzzi in 2015 and he still has his FJR. We took a fast run up to NS/PEI two summers ago, and while he had the edge in straight accel, he couldn't lose me on the Norge. After several days and 3000+ miles of flogging, the Norge ran better than ever. That said, a straight 'drag strip' run from stop, he ate my lunch, but rollon power, coming out of turns, and sheer pleasure the Norge walked all over the FJR.
I think you have the right perspective, and see a Guzzi for what it is. The 'Sourkrowt' GS bikes do have more sheer grunt, and are in themselves well balanced overall machines, but 850CC will never approach the power of 1200+cc's. Keep in mind that as you hit 8500-12000 miles, the Guzzi motor will really open up and smooth out, spin faster to redline.
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But, if you don't speed in the straights, (while most cars do speed in the straights), you are less likely to catch up to them in the curves. One of the games I play on my local roads is if I catch up to someone and an alternate route is coming up, I tell myself "if he goes straight, I turn. He turns, I go straight." I get in an interesting ride that way. Of course where I ride you will rarely see one vehicle, never mind a line of vehicles. :grin:
EXACTLY! I'm not riding to get "ahead" of anyone, just have fun in the corners. I'll run 50 mph in the straights so I won't catch up to a car in the curves. Last time I got pulled over the HP told me I was running over twice the posted limit coming out of a curve, but it looked like I had control of the vehicle. He let me go w/ a warning :laugh:
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Motion is relative (A. Einstein, circa 1910)
I ride my Cali 1400 with a BMW club in the Blue Ridge mountains regularly. I'm faster and more skilled than some, and not so much when compared to others. They are a good group, we respect each other's machines and skill levels. "Its about the ride"...that's our credo.
About a month ago we were wringing out our bikes on the high twisties and I noticed in my rear view a bike closing up to the group. It tucked in and followed the group for a minute or so. We approached an uphill straight and hit the throttles. I heard the bike downshift twice behind me and then heard a banshee wail as it blew by the entire group like we were standing still. Bang, gone, out of sight. It was an Apirllia...with two up. Don't know the model, it went by too fast. When we stopped to stretch our legs a few miles up, we concluded that the 'blur' that was the two up was either one of the best, or craziest any of us has ever seen.
It's all relative...
Be well,
DougG
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Have you thought of maybe using the bike within it’s design brief ?
Did it feel “fast enough” during the test ride ?
How did the 850 Beemers go ?
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It’s “sombre...”
I must have missed the memo telling us to correct each other's spelling. Did it include punctuation, too? Because, your's is a mess.
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:popcorn:
This is fun.
Looks like it'll be a long time before I find a TT a year or two old huh? Cool to hear you guys love them....if not let me know...lol
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Last summer I rode my Mille up the west side Independence Pass with two Beemer 1200 somethings, a Stelvio NT and a Tenere 1000. One of the beemer guys was new to the group. He asked me if the Mille could keep up. Not much straightness to that road and only the Tenere rider -- the youngest among us by 25 rears -- could stay with me. The new guy reached the top 10 minutes late. Going down I followed the Tenere. Less need for power going down and Mr New came in 15 minutes late. I do think my 850T might have been quicker on this route.
Three general rules for mountain riding: It's the rider, not the bike. It's more fun to ride a slow bike fast than a fast bike slow. And change your jets.
Finally, after making my living for 55 years as a grammar nazi, I've sworn off. But yours is a mess. No such word as your's.
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I’m reminded of leading an group of UK guys quickly across Furka Pass in Switzerland, all on pretty modern machinery and going pretty well, while mounted on my R100GS. The comment at the far end was ‘I guess that’s making the best of what you have’. They certainly could not have passed. What they didn’t know is that the R100GS is a pretty good twisty road tool, better in many cases than more advanced machinery, and it sounds like the same is true for them V85TT. The other thing is ease of use, whether on twisty roads or straight roads. On straight roads it’s not always important exactly how much power you have, it’s often more important that you have enough power for your desired speed being delivered in a relaxed way. Obviously Guzzi V-twins have traditionally been the winner at this game.
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My wife and I met a nice couple on a 1600 bmw in Valentine NE who offered to put us up at their ranch in Custer SD about 1oo mi away,and started to give us directions.I asked if we could just follow them on our Stelvio and v7. He made some comment I didn’t catch but Deb apparently felt it reflected on her bike and riding ability and assured him we would keep them in sight.I told her to follow them and me in the rear figuring if they were not afraid of cops they could run interference and we would catch up when they got pulled over.They were training for Iron butt and took off like the proverbial bat out of hell.Deb viewed this differently and rode their iron butts all the way to the ranch.WhenI rolled up they were examining Debs bike to verify it was only a 750.Another time we met a guy at the GrandMarais rally with a 1200 gs who invited us to stay at his place nearBayfield WI.I guess those guys with big bmws have immunity on straight roads because he ran between75 85 from Superior toBayfield passing every thing in sight on US 2.I struggled to keep him in sight and keep my license but once again Deb upheld the Guzzi heritage by tailgating himto his garage.
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First answer: no
Second: any bike can go faster with a better rider.
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Nothing is fast enough. That’s like “enough money” or “enough horesepower”. As far as speed limits go, I will ride my ride how I like. If someone wants to ride slow (ie 10 over as was mentioned) they need to trot themselves to the nearest geriatric ranch, er, Harley dealer, and get something that is properly slow. I got into cruisers several years ago to try and slow down. All that has happened is I ride cruisers fast. And leave showers of sparks in the twisties.
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Dave Hewitt, Guzzi tech rep in the ‘80s explained it to me . He said that while Guzzis were generally not fast bikes, most times they can be ridden faster than faster bikes. Makes sense to me when I think about it.
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Nothing is fast enough. That’s like “enough money” or “enough horesepower”. As far as speed limits go, I will ride my ride how I like. If someone wants to ride slow (ie 10 over as was mentioned) they need to trot themselves to the nearest geriatric ranch, er, Harley dealer, and get something that is properly slow. I got into cruisers several years ago to try and slow down. All that has happened is I ride cruisers fast. And leave showers of sparks in the twisties.
That's the problem. Fast enough does exist. Enough money exists, as does HP. The concept that to much is never enough is dumb.
The point of diminishing returns applies in all areas mentioned.
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Dave Hewitt, Guzzi tech rep in the ‘80s explained it to me . He said that while Guzzis were generally not fast bikes, most times they can be ridden faster than faster bikes. Makes sense to me when I think about it.
I like that.
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Isn't that how Dr. John was winning on the LMIII??
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Georgia: We think alike. I wanted to "slow down" so I had a 2006 Wide Glide that took turn faster than anyone I knew then was ready to believe. Same with a big Victory too.
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John A.: My son has a Ducati Multi Strada, the 150 hp one. On our snake roads, no problems keeping up. That this is like riding a nervous thoroughbred horse, always thinking about the bike and trying not to drop in too fast. When it turns straight, bye bye.
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John A.: My son has a Ducati Multi Strada, the 150 hp one. On our snake roads, no problems keeping up. That this is like riding a nervous thoroughbred horse, always thinking about the bike and trying not to drop in too fast. When it turns straight, bye bye.
Man, Id hurt something on that :evil: with those you not only feel like you could be riding on ice with the happy handle, you gotta plan way ahead .
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I am not sure he really likes it. He sure seems to like riding the V85 though.
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Nothing is fast enough. That’s like “enough money” or “enough horesepower”. As far as speed limits go, I will ride my ride how I like. If someone wants to ride slow (ie 10 over as was mentioned) they need to trot themselves to the nearest geriatric ranch, er, Harley dealer, and get something that is properly slow. I got into cruisers several years ago to try and slow down. All that has happened is I ride cruisers fast. And leave showers of sparks in the twisties.
Well, I guess you are talking about me. I'll just say I don't need bragging to compensate for some ahem, inadequacy. I ride for the pure pleasure of being on two wheels and have nothing to prove to anybody. A couple guys I have traveled with go on ahead and ride like they are in a race. In more than one occasion I waved at them while they were being written a ticket. When I asked them if they saw that waterfall, or mountain peak, all they can say is no. Take it to the track if you want to see what a bike can really do.
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I am not sure he really likes it. He sure seems to like riding the V85 though.
I've had both- just sold my Multistrada today. The Multi is a fantastic bike- it inspires confidence in turns and has the horses to back it up. It urges you to drive as fast as you can. The V85 doesn't have the urgency. I haven't had mine very long, but initial impression is that it is somewhat 'peaky' for power. The geometry of the Guzzi is fantastic, though. I've already gone right to the edge of the (stock) tires and it is rock solid. It is a very fun, very Guzzi ride.
I think the thoroughbred analogy is a good one- I was riding my Ducati as fast as I could. I ride the Guzzi as fast as I want.
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Well, I guess you are talking about me. I'll just say I don't need bragging to compensate for some ahem, inadequacy. I ride for the pure pleasure of being on two wheels and have nothing to prove to anybody. A couple guys I have traveled with go on ahead and ride like they are in a race. In more than one occasion I waved at them while they were being written a ticket. When I asked them if they saw that waterfall, or mountain peak, all they can say is no. Take it to the track if you want to see what a bike can really do.
How can riding slow be pleasurable? If it is for you that’s great FOR YOU! It sure isn’t for me. Being able to pick out a line and follow it. Trying to hit the apex just right. Being able to put the boring super slab in the mirror. That’s what I like. Not trying to prove anything, I literally just get bored out of my mind at slow speeds. And out west and here in ATL anything under 80 is slow on the highway. And before you assume that means missing out on scenery, don’t think everyone is incapable of seeing beautiful vistas and gorgeous scenery while moving at a good clip. Some of us see quite more than others
But unfortunately certain people think to enjoy something it must be done THEIR way. I don’t recommend anyone trying to ride like me. I don’t try to ride like anyone else. What does get under my skin are supercilious riders who think just because you’re riding differently than they ride you’re doing it wrong. That is just wrong thinking. I mentally shake my head at riders out in t-shirts and half helmets. They shake their heads at me in my armor and full face helmet. Neither of us are wrong, just different. the important thing is that we’re all riding.
Oh, and zero tickets for me 😉
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GG, sorry, nope, it’s not only about you. 80 mph on the roads out here will endanger others and get you a ticket pronto. Act your age, live within the rules, and save it for the track.
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Maybe the replies are not all framed properly. But assuming we're talking about 75 constant speed on the slab, the V85 should be fine there.
If ya gotta average 80 that's only 5 miles (and 5 min at 60mph) added on. Not to bad.
Reports from some talented riders I'm aware of put a well riden V85 right in the mix with any other motorcycle. In the turns (and I'll assume we mean the tight stuff that requires 45 and below) it's 95% rider talent. Throw in those wicked decreasing radius turns like all over the east coast mountains as one descends out of the clouds and you know what we mean.
Anybody can be fast in a straight line. But GC is correct-we all get to ride as we like. You may want to rethink that some don't enjoy their pace wherever they ride and hitting the apex is not the grail for a whole slew of riders. It is what it is-live and let live. THAT'S the beauty-you get to choose each and every time.
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I'm not a slow rider by any means, but can enjoy riding slow, especially on the Stornello. That said, if road conditions and traffic allow, I will blow through the twisties at double the yellow (recommended safe speed in turns). But that requires knowledge of the conditions and traffic. If there is no traffic, and I'm on unknown roads, may goose it when I have clear lines of sight, etc. Some amazing things are missed when you are always riding balls to the wall. Oh, and Darwin rules here too.....
When on State Highways and super slab, same principles, none of that triple digit Baloney unless the road is completely clear. Just not worth it.
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The V85 is what is. With the Euro 5 emissions coming I'm not sure if they can manufacture future air cooled V85's. I test road one,I liked it alot,but did feel I had to lay into it to enjoy a spirited ride.Would love to see a street version,but 2021 regulations might make that impossible. If I ended up with a V85 travel,that be cool.
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90% of the motorcycle fatalities that I have investigated was directly or indirectly contributed to either excessive speed or alcohol but mostly due to both. It’s an individual’s choice as to how they conduct themselves on their motorcycle. Just remembered though, you reap what you sow.
Ride safe my friends 👍
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GG, sorry, nope, it’s not only about you. 80 mph on the roads out here will endanger others and get you a ticket pronto. Act your age, live within the rules, and save it for the track.
All right, we'll get off your lawn.
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It’s not my lawn. I don’t write the laws.
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How can riding slow be pleasurable? If it is for you that’s great FOR YOU! It sure isn’t for me. Being able to pick out a line and follow it. Trying to hit the apex just right. Being able to put the boring super slab in the mirror. That’s what I like. Not trying to prove anything, I literally just get bored out of my mind at slow speeds. And out west and here in ATL anything under 80 is slow on the highway. And before you assume that means missing out on scenery, don’t think everyone is incapable of seeing beautiful vistas and gorgeous scenery while moving at a good clip. Some of us see quite more than others
But unfortunately certain people think to enjoy something it must be done THEIR way. I don’t recommend anyone trying to ride like me. I don’t try to ride like anyone else. What does get under my skin are supercilious riders who think just because you’re riding differently than they ride you’re doing it wrong. That is just wrong thinking. I mentally shake my head at riders out in t-shirts and half helmets. They shake their heads at me in my armor and full face helmet. Neither of us are wrong, just different. the important thing is that we’re all riding.
Oh, and zero tickets for me 😉
I don't ride on boring slab, and I don't ride slow. I just don't get into reckless driving territory. What you are doing is highly illegal and gives riders a bad name. I've seen it out there. Passing on double yellow in a blind curve is a death wish. Oh and you are the one who started the "if you don't ride my way" crap.
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Chill fellas .
Dusty
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Somebody here said it’s more fun riding a slow bike fast than it is riding a fast bike slow. I try to only speed when I want to, not because I’m late,in a hurry
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Being able to pick out a line and follow it. Trying to hit the apex just right. Being able to put the boring super slab in the mirror. That’s what I like. Not trying to prove anything, I literally just get bored out of my mind at slow speeds. And out west and here in ATL anything under 80 is slow on the highway. And before you assume that means missing out on scenery, don’t think everyone is incapable of seeing beautiful vistas and gorgeous scenery while moving at a good clip. Some of us see quite more than others
Oh, and zero tickets for me 😉
Sounds very much like a day in the Alps, any day in normal times, as ridden by thousands of riders. Hardly highly illegal, and the way motorcycles were meant to be enjoyed.
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Sounds very much like a day in the Alps, any day in normal times, as ridden by thousands of riders. Hardly highly illegal, and the way motorcycles were meant to be enjoyed.
Motorcycles and motorcyclists are treated very differently in other countries. Here, a reckless driving violation can get the bike impounded, immediate suspension of license and potential jail time. I lost my license for 12 months when I was in my 20s and it cost me a job. Not to mention the insurance costs. Now I have to be a responsible mature person until I retire. :grin:
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I’ve enjoyed about 300,000 miles of fast, twisty roads in the US and have somehow managed to avoid having my bike impounded :grin: I’ve not had a high speed driving award since sometime in the 90s and have never been injured on a motorcycle since 1974 (on either continent). My US insurance for nine motorcycles in about $350 for all of them.. (National General has been good to me since 1988)
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I’ve enjoyed about 300,000 miles of fast, twisty roads in the US and have somehow managed to avoid having my bike impounded :grin: I’ve not had a high speed driving award since sometime in the 90s and have never been injured on a motorcycle since 1974 (on either continent). My US insurance for nine motorcycles in about $350 for all of them.. (National General has been good to me since 1988)
You obviously can take the risk. I can't. I have been to defensive driving school so many times I could teach the course. We use defensive driving school to get out of the ticket and points.
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I can see the cold spell hitting the States really has the board stuck inside.
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https://www.motorcyclistonline.com/pace/
This might assist
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Yes..
But we no longer are..
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https://www.motorcyclistonline.com/pace/
This might assist
That's a great article. Suffice it to say 'speed' and how fast is relative. Bottom line for me is responsible riding. That may be different for different people, and is determined by skill, health, motorcycle capability, and of course conditions. Makes no sense to debate this or slap your manhood on the table to compare.
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https://www.motorcyclistonline.com/pace/
This might assist
That’s an excellent article, and explains much better how I try to ride than I can! Especially the parts about lane control and braking! To go fast you have to go slow is a lesson learned by experience. Thanks for posting the link.
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That's the problem. Fast enough does exist. Enough money exists, as does HP. The concept that to much is never enough is dumb.
The point of diminishing returns applies in all areas mentioned.
Hmmm, I think my communication skills are showing their limits.
If a rider feels like their bike is fast enough, it is. If they feel that their bike is not fast enough, it never will be. A good friend of mine bought a cbr 1100xx when it first came out. He was disappointed that it would “only” run 197. He sent it to a speed shop and with some tweaks it would run 205-207. I had a super hawk so I didn’t keep up. Which was fine for me. Now you got guys uncorking busa’s and zx14’s and H2’s and hitting insane speeds. Personally I love “slow” bikes that handle well. Of course slow is relative too. To have a bike that becomes “fast enough” a rider has to become content, otherwise it will never be fast enough.
However, I do beg to differ about things being fast enough, enough money, etc. I have never gotten a track time with the SCCA and thought, “yup, that’s as fast as possible”! There is always something I can do to shave more time. Ditto at the Friday night grudge races. I’ve never gotten a time slip and thought, “nope, can’t improve there”! There’s always a bit where I need to be better. Same for HP, I have grand plans (lol) to rebuild my 12v Cummins to about 450 rwhp, would I love to try for over 1k? For sure! There are guys daily driving rigs with up to 1200hp. My budget says otherwise tho. And no matter how much you have in the bank, you have to stay hungry! No saying greedy exactly, but the minute a person thinks they have it made is the minute it starts slipping away. That’s what I was trying to say.
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Well, I guess you are talking about me. I'll just say I don't need bragging to compensate for some ahem, inadequacy. I ride for the pure pleasure of being on two wheels and have nothing to prove to anybody. A couple guys I have traveled with go on ahead and ride like they are in a race. In more than one occasion I waved at them while they were being written a ticket. When I asked them if they saw that waterfall, or mountain peak, all they can say is no. Take it to the track if you want to see what a bike can really do.
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GG, sorry, nope, it’s not only about you. 80 mph on the roads out here will endanger others and get you a ticket pronto. Act your age, live within the rules, and save it for the track.
Sorry sir, your profile has the wrong state listed. You see, CO means Colorado. And I’ve been all over Colorado. From Independence pass to Durango. Aspen, Pikes Peak, Grand Junction, Denver, and that god awful part that joins up to Kansas and pipes heat in directly from hades! And you know what, I’ve never gotten a ticket in Colorado. I haven’t even been blue-lighted to slow down. I do remember lots of pretty scenery. I also remember getting passed a lot while I was riding 80-85 on the interstate! So I can only conclude that your profile means to say CT, which is Connecticut and one of the states where traffic is so heavy that running 80-90 would result in a close encounter of the bumper kind. Which is to be avoided even more than close encounters of the law enforcement kind!!! 😂😂😂
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I get what you're saying Georgia. And I agree, when it comes to on track racing, plenty is never enough!
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I must have missed the memo telling us to correct each other's spelling. Did it include punctuation, too? Because, your's is a mess.
We've been through this before. Huzo and I have a solemn duty to teach you Americans how to spell.
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I must have missed the memo telling us to correct each other's spelling. Did it include punctuation, too? Because, your's is a mess.
Well then, please feel free to re do my post with correct punctuation.
If everyone has their say, there should not be a comma between the words, “ punctuation” and “too”.
Oh and I was going to be kind, but bugger it.
“Yours” in this case does not require an apostrophe since it is a possessive noun... :wink: :kiss:
In addition, “others” does not require an apostrophe either since it it a pronoun. Don’t worry though, I don’t think anyone noticed..
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We've been through this before. Huzo and I have a solemn duty to teach you Americans how to spell.
I don’t think they’re interested Poots, but we’ll persevere irregardless.
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So for comparisons sake...how does the V85tt compare with a V11EV?
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Motorcycles, they are all fun. Have very fond memories of riding 70cc-175cc bikes and probably could still enjoy one. I currently ride a somewhat modified T-3 (56.5 RWHP) and a stock Norge 8V. They are both a bucketful of fun.
I will fully admit that I like to ride higher than the speed limits much of the time but only under conditions that are reasonable to it at the time. Have never had a ticket while doing this. The Norge is fun to hotdog a bit in curves but is rather boring at high straightaway speeds. Have rode it to 140mph indicated on a private runway and might as well been doing 70 from the feel and stability. Have had my T-3 to 115 indicated double up with my wife and though stable you know on no uncertain terms that you have broke the ton.
Since the T-3 is well...a 70s vintage technology bike it demands more attention and skill than the Norge. But it is also much more satisfying to ride well. It also makes all those neat old Guzzi vibrations and noises. :grin:
While on the T-3 on a ride in a somewhat actually curvy, very rural part of Kansas I notice a bike pulling on the same road well ahead of me that started riding fairly spritly. Out of cuoriosity I tried to reel him in. Took over 20 miles and a stop sign to catch what was a BMW GS. Was a fun time. Would have been no challenge on the Norge. Be careful and reasonable and ride your own ride folks.
GliderJohn
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irregardless.
Now I know you are just messing with us.
BTW, is it 'canceled' or 'cancelled'?
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So for comparisons sake...how does the V85tt compare with a V11EV?
like a tundra compares to a camry!
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So for comparisons sake...how does the V85tt compare with a V11EV?
Good question, as I believe they both put down similar power. The TT weighs a bit less, and has a much slicker gear box, but to the degree any of that matters?
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I must have missed the memo telling us to correct each other's spelling. Did it include punctuation, too? Because, your's is a mess.
You haven't posted enough. The English "professor" out of Medina, OH would correct you. :tongue:
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So for comparisons sake...how does the V85tt compare with a V11EV?
OK, now I know this forum is USA-based, but I HAVE to point that a "V11EV" is just an American market thing.
There is NO V11EV produced by Moto Guzzi.
Look:
This is a Moto Guzzi V11
https://www.google.com/search?q=moto+Guzzi+v11&client=tablet-android-huawei-rev1&prmd=ivsn&sxsrf=ALeKk01-8MBcOpkm_npB6Xhk0TmhwICJkg:1589443142445&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjrp5WP8bLpAhVHy6QKHYLcCZ8Q_AUoAXoECBIQAQ&biw=960&bih=600 (https://www.google.com/search?q=moto+Guzzi+v11&client=tablet-android-huawei-rev1&prmd=ivsn&sxsrf=ALeKk01-8MBcOpkm_npB6Xhk0TmhwICJkg:1589443142445&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjrp5WP8bLpAhVHy6QKHYLcCZ8Q_AUoAXoECBIQAQ&biw=960&bih=600)
And this is a Moto Guzzi EV California
https://www.google.com/search?q=moto+guzzi+ev+1100+california&source=lmns&bih=600&biw=960&client=tablet-android-huawei-rev1&prmd=ismvn&hl=it&ved=2ahUKEwilqfSZ8bLpAhXI6qQKHW50BYoQ_AUoAHoECAAQAw (https://www.google.com/search?q=moto+guzzi+ev+1100+california&source=lmns&bih=600&biw=960&client=tablet-android-huawei-rev1&prmd=ismvn&hl=it&ved=2ahUKEwilqfSZ8bLpAhXI6qQKHW50BYoQ_AUoAHoECAAQAw)
Yes, I'm a Guzzi Nazist. :D
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Fast enough? To do what? Commute? Tour? Scratch? Kill yourself? Lose your licence? Hell yeah! It'll do all that & more besides.
Maybe a more appropriate question should be.....
IS THE V85 POWERFUL ENOUGH? I'd personally prefer another 20 or so torques, just to make it a little less peaky & a smidge more lazy in its power delivery.
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I get the fast enough part, for me its about which friends I'm riding with(some mellow, others just haul ass) and if our wives join us. Don't have a V85 but had a 13 Stelvio for 47k miles and while it was fast enough it certainly could use more guts while two up in passing situations. I test rode a V85 twice and it just didn't have the beans for my style of riding. Still have a 17 Griso and recently bought a FJR1300 for two up and it certainly doesn't suffer from lack of power in any situation.
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The general consensus seems to be that "fast enough" is relative, and I agree. I have a different comfort-with-speed quotient for each of my bikes. As a rule I'll take torque at 3000-4000 rpm over horsepower any day. My version of "pace" is "flow" -- keeping a consistent speed (4000 rpm in fourth or third) by using the whole lane and a smooth late apex.
On the '70 Triumph 65 is plenty fast and I'm happier at 55 on a winding two-lane blacktop. 45 if two-up.
On the 850T, 75 is fast enough. When I was younger, 85, and I'll do that to overtake.
The Mille is smooth and stable to 95, but I'm no longer interested.
The F650 is like the 850T in speed potential, but grows unpleasantly buzzy over 70.
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Wow, some of you guys appear to be lucky in a sense, spouses that heavy duty acceleration on the back seat of a M/C. Mine much prefers a leisurely ride where things don't get too exciting.
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Take her for a ride in NYC. :evil: She'll calm down on any open road at any speed with the exception of riding in a hack. :shocked: :grin:
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Take her for a ride in NYC. :evil: She'll calm down on any open road at any speed with the exception of riding in a hack. :shocked: :grin:
Went through Cincinnati at rush hour with my wife on the back. Almost catapulted her off the bike because of the frost heaves. She was also waving her hands around at merging traffic to make sure they knew we were there and she wasn't happy! She didn't complain when we took the long way home.
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I don’t think they’re interested Poots, but we’ll persevere irregardless.
I've been in England and know several Ozzies , you folks should probably start agreeing on spelling and usage of the English language before attempting to tutor the rest of us .
Dusty
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I've been in England and know several Ozzies , you folks should probably start agreeing on spelling and usage of the English language before attempting to tutor the rest of us .
Dusty
Why Dusty ?
The English language did not start in America.
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Why Dusty ?
The English language did not start in America.
You tell him, Huzo!
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Why Dusty ?
The English language did not start in America.
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You tell him, Huzo!
Except you English folk are speaking English , why do you say "hey up" , and what is this Ozzie nonsense "how ya goin? :laugh:
Let's face it , calling a cookie a biscuit or a sausage a banger is revealing :rolleyes:
My favorite was Wally Batty , you needed a translator to understand him :grin:
Dusty
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Why Dusty ?
The English language did not start in America.
FF Sake guys. Read Bill Bryson's magnificent book "Made in America - An informal history of the English Language in the United States" before talking drivel about what's 'right'.
Motorcycles are far more interesting than spelling or punctuation. Let's get back to it. Language is subject to evolutionary and regional change. Try grappling with some 18th century English for a while. That will dispel any notions of primacy.
Nick
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Huzo, haven’t we taught you about American Exceptualism ? We r better than yous by the grace of god. You should be grateful we let you talk on are forum. Go Team Merica!
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FF Sake guys. Read Bill Bryson's magnificent book "Made in America - An informal history of the English Language in the United States" before talking drivel about what's 'right'.
Motorcycles are far more interesting than spelling or punctuation. Let's get back to it. Language is subject to evolutionary and regional change. Try grappling with some 18th century English for a while. That will dispel any notions of primacy.
Nick
That is a great book .
English probably more than any other language evolves over time , terms and words from other languages implant in English , some of the most colorful versions are the pidgin dialects spoken on the Islands . A friend who grew up in a Hong Kong neighborhood during the 1950's that was populated by mostly English speakers spoke a version that was intelligible , but used a different syntax .
Dusty
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The 850 is a good in between bike, meaning it does well in most street riding situations but it's not great in all situations. But what bike is? The question of is it fast enough only you can decide. But I think it a very good all round street bike. I own many faster bikes now and before but I wouldn't say they were better than your 850. Ride it and enjoy owning what I consider a classic.
Bill
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Huzo, haven’t we taught you about American Exceptualism ? We r better than yous by the grace of god. You should be grateful we let you talk on are forum. Go Team Merica!
No mate, but I’d love to be schooled on exceptionalism, are you confusing the term with conceptualism?
Or is that the same thing ?
Also, who do you mean by “we” ?
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Except you English folk are speaking English , why do you say "hey up" , and what is this Ozzie nonsense "how ya goin? :laugh:
Let's face it , calling a cookie a biscuit or a sausage a banger is revealing :rolleyes:
My favorite was Wally Batty , you needed a translator to understand him :grin:
Dusty
I don’t know what sort of Australians you have been mixing with Dusty, but I’d be happy to match my linguistic and conversational skills with the average Yank.
I don’t know what “hey up” means, I’ve been around 62 years and never heard the term.
Aussies don’t call a sausage a “banger”, the common term is a “snag” but I don’t use it.
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I take keen pleasure in the varieties and hilarities of English language slangs. Roperisms are reason enough to hang out here.
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I don’t know what sort of Australians you have been mixing with Dusty, but I’d be happy to match my linguistic and conversational skills with the average Yank.
I don’t know what “hey up” means, I’ve been around 62 years and never heard the term.
Aussies don’t call a sausage a “banger”, the common term is a “snag” but I don’t use it.
Uh , mate , have you ever met our friend Pete Roper ? :laugh:
You should start watching the longest running TV show ever , *Last of the Summer Wine* , 37 years on English Tele , ended now ten years ago , still the funniest show about old folks ever . Well , with the exception of *Waiting for god* , which only lasted a few years.
The character called 'Compo" on LOTSW is a personal hero , and the show featured motorbikes on a regular basis .
"Hey-up , it must be serious if Foggy's opening his purse"
Dusty
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Pete carries a heavy British slant to his vernacular and it is endearing to be sure, but blood and guts Australian is different. Having said that, in my opinion the mix of Australian colloquialisms delivered with a side order of working class Pommy wit, is second to none.
Irish, for me comes close though....(very close).
I have met Pete many times, we don’t live very far apart..
Just to correct some drift here, yes the V85 is fast enough, I wouldn’t buy another 10 kW if the price was fifty bucks.
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Pete carries a heavy British slant to his vernacular and it is endearing to be sure, but blood and guts Australian is different. Having said that, in my opinion the mix of Australian colloquialisms delivered with a side order of working class Pommy wit, is second to none.
Irish, for me comes close though....(very close).
I have met Pete many times, we don’t live very far apart..
Just to correct some drift here, yes the V85 is fast enough, I wouldn’t buy another 10 kW if the price was fifty bucks.
Have you forgotten our history re Pete ? :laugh:
We had a Sheila running the little cafe in Cedar Vale for a few years . Now she was an interesting study , about 35 , from Sydney (?) , met an American cowboy from Oklahoma who lived in a village of 50 people in Oklahoma . She made the 15 mile commute to Kansas 5 days a week to run the cafe . Her speech was peppered with lower Midwest terms like "where you boys from" , don't know what happened to her .
Dusty
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"Hey-up , it must be serious if Foggy's opening his purse"
Foggy is from Lancashire...
(https://i.ibb.co/fvhJ5Qc/CDBDC857-C9-FC-44-B9-9777-1812-CFD06-A66.jpg) (https://ibb.co/fvhJ5Qc)
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Foggy is from Lancashire...
(https://i.ibb.co/fvhJ5Qc/CDBDC857-C9-FC-44-B9-9777-1812-CFD06-A66.jpg) (https://ibb.co/fvhJ5Qc)
Oswestry , although he grew up in Holmfirth . Damn , I know way too much about these people :grin:
Dusty
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Almost bought a Foggy.
(https://i.ibb.co/Cb4544C/Ducati-Monster-S4-Fogarty-Right-Side.jpg) (https://ibb.co/Cb4544C)