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Title: Save This Eldorado!
Post by: Antietam Classic Cycle on June 16, 2020, 09:30:05 AM
In Elgin, OK. $500.


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Title: Re: Save This Eldorado!
Post by: Groover on June 16, 2020, 09:37:09 AM
I like the Rattan seat...
Title: Re: Save This Eldorado!
Post by: Shorty on June 16, 2020, 10:38:06 AM
Source?    That's about a 7-8 hour round trip out into the Red Dirt from here.  You seeing this, Ozark?
Title: Re: Save This Eldorado!
Post by: JJ on June 16, 2020, 10:40:11 AM
Poor, neglected bike.... :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :shocked: :shocked:

Someone in OK should go get this...Parts alone are worth double the price!! :thumb: :cool: :wink:
Title: Re: Save This Eldorado!
Post by: Antietam Classic Cycle on June 16, 2020, 10:42:08 AM
Source?    That's about a 7-8 hour round trip out into the Red Dirt from here.  You seeing this, Ozark?

It's on the MGNOC Facebook group.
Title: Re: Save This Eldorado!
Post by: Don G on June 16, 2020, 10:51:15 AM
 Man! Thats gotta be worth about $18,000.00 parted out on E-Bay eh? :evil:
Title: Re: Save This Eldorado!
Post by: JJ on June 16, 2020, 11:37:57 AM
Man! Thats gotta be worth about $18,000.00 parted out on E-Bay eh? :evil:

...or, just motor right on over to Torrance, CA, and buy this one for $13,500 on "fleaBay" now! :laugh: :grin: :wink: :cool: :thumb:


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Title: Re: Save This Eldorado!
Post by: oldbike54 on June 16, 2020, 02:20:54 PM
 Almost  certain that belonged to a guy the rode with some of us who lived in that area circa 1977 . No idea who has it now , the guy in '77 would be about 85 now .

 Dusty
Title: Re: Save This Eldorado!
Post by: Antietam Classic Cycle on June 16, 2020, 04:23:49 PM
Almost  certain that belonged to a guy the rode with some of us who lived in that area circa 1977 . No idea who has it now , the guy in '77 would be about 85 now .

 Dusty

This is what the seller, Mitchell Chadwick, posted: "its part of my dads old cycle shop we had so many bikes we could not put them all under the barn roof".
Title: Re: Save This Eldorado!
Post by: oldbike54 on June 16, 2020, 04:40:08 PM
This is what the seller, Mitchell Chadwick, posted: "its part of my dads old cycle shop we had so many bikes we could not put them all under the barn roof".

 Don't think the guy in '77 was a dealer of any sort , seller's dad was probably a collector . Looks to have been sitting outside for quite a long time , that part of Oklahoma is dry , there might be some usable parts .

 Hmm , memory says the original owner lived in Duncan OK , not far from Elgin . That was 43 years ago (:shocked)

 Dusty
Title: Re: Save This Eldorado!
Post by: Huzo on June 16, 2020, 06:19:44 PM
Where’s fence post Guzzi Guy when you need him ?
Title: Re: Save This Eldorado!
Post by: Chuck in Indiana on June 16, 2020, 06:45:24 PM
I've said it before, and I'll say it again.. "Sometimes, free is too much."  :smiley:
Title: Re: Save This Eldorado!
Post by: Tom on June 16, 2020, 07:01:49 PM
Offer a $100.  Worth the parts.  Not sure on the $500.
Title: Re: Save This Eldorado!
Post by: LowRyter on June 16, 2020, 07:20:55 PM
Source?    That's about a 7-8 hour round trip out into the Red Dirt from here.  You seeing this, Ozark?

very scenic trip if you go up Mt Scott.
Title: Re: Save This Eldorado!
Post by: Huzo on June 16, 2020, 08:18:52 PM
I've said it before, and I'll say it again.. "Sometimes, free is too much."  :smiley:
But THAT is what they would have said to Fence Post Guy.
I applaud those who can see intrinsic value beyond simply $$$$$
Every bike is a money pit...
From a rank amateur’s point of view, it looks like a reasonable prospect and you can bet your flat tappets, that as soon as a project is launched to restore it, the supporters will leap on board with gestures of encouragement and worn out platitudes.
I would be happy to crowd fund to someone like Canuck who could restore such a thing and pay for his time, then raffle it for WG funds and yes, I am aware of the filthy amount of hours required to do it properly.
Title: Re: Save This Eldorado!
Post by: Huzo on June 16, 2020, 08:20:56 PM
...or, just motor right on over to Torrance, CA, and buy this one for $13,500 on "fleaBay" now! :laugh: :grin: :wink: :cool: :thumb:


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That’s not the point JJ..
Title: Re: Save This Eldorado!
Post by: oldbike54 on June 16, 2020, 09:07:04 PM
very scenic trip if you go up Mt Scott.

 Kinda the long way .

 Dusty
Title: Re: Save This Eldorado!
Post by: Antietam Classic Cycle on June 16, 2020, 09:52:29 PM
But THAT is what they would have said to Fence Post Guy.
I applaud those who can see intrinsic value beyond simply $$$$$
Every bike is a money pit...
From a rank amateur’s point of view, it looks like a reasonable prospect and you can bet your flat tappets, that as soon as a project is launched to restore it, the supporters will leap on board with gestures of encouragement and worn out platitudes.
I would be happy to crowd fund to someone like Canuck who could restore such a thing and pay for his time, then raffle it for WG funds and yes, I am aware of the filthy amount of hours required to do it properly.

I'd save it myself if it weren't 1400 miles away from here, and if I hadn't already "saved" three other bikes since last October.  :wink: '77 Morini in October: https://flic.kr/s/aHsmHQfL8X , '67 Sears Allstate/Puch SR250 in February: https://flic.kr/s/aHsmLsYoYc and '73 Eldorado in April: https://flic.kr/s/aHsmMUWV4J
Title: Re: Save This Eldorado!
Post by: Huzo on June 17, 2020, 12:08:49 AM
I'd save it myself if it weren't 1400 miles away from here, and if I hadn't already "saved" three other bikes since last October.  :wink: '77 Morini in October: https://flic.kr/s/aHsmHQfL8X , '67 Sears Allstate/Puch SR250 in February: https://flic.kr/s/aHsmLsYoYc and '73 Eldorado in April: https://flic.kr/s/aHsmMUWV4J
You’re in the clear...
Title: Re: Save This Eldorado!
Post by: Tom H on June 17, 2020, 12:20:52 AM
If it wasn't for it being half way across the country. For $500 I would nab it and see what can be done with it. Maybe Tetanus II or Fence Post II??? Or just parts??

Tom
Title: Re: Save This Eldorado!
Post by: Don G on June 17, 2020, 08:51:36 AM
Ive done my bit,I took this 1971 Ambo that is rusted and crusted-
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turned it into an Ambovert employing all of the substandard looking components and a ton of pieces off of E-Bay,most of the shiny parts are on the inside.
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The next project is likely a V700 with a vert drive train.  DonG
Title: Re: Save This Eldorado!
Post by: ozarquebus on June 17, 2020, 04:39:30 PM
I can't find it. Somebody already scarfed it up...
Title: Re: Save This Eldorado!
Post by: LowRyter on June 17, 2020, 04:46:47 PM
Kinda the long way .

 Dusty

another 20 mile, plus lunch on the way in Medicine Park.  Or another 5 miles for a Meers Burger. 
Title: Re: Save This Eldorado!
Post by: Antietam Classic Cycle on June 17, 2020, 04:47:11 PM
I can't find it. Somebody already scarfed it up...

Still there.
https://www.facebook.com/groups/mgnoc/permalink/10159729327723709/
Title: Re: Save This Eldorado!
Post by: JJ on June 17, 2020, 05:10:30 PM
That’s not the point JJ..

Yes, I know Huzo, aka, "Captain Obvious"... :laugh: :grin: :wink:

I am just saying that if you bought that "beater" for $500, and wanted to restore it to road worthy condition...you would have to invest about $13,500 or more..... :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :shocked: :shocked: :shocked: :huh: :huh: :huh:
Title: Re: Save This Eldorado!
Post by: Chuck in Indiana on June 17, 2020, 07:10:33 PM
Quote
But THAT is what they would have said to Fence Post Guy.

"I" didn't say that to fence post guy. A beater Eldo isn't a V7 Sport.  :smiley:
Title: Re: Save This Eldorado!
Post by: Antietam Classic Cycle on June 17, 2020, 08:19:38 PM
Yes, I know Huzo, aka, "Captain Obvious"... :laugh: :grin: :wink:

I am just saying that if you bought that "beater" for $500, and wanted to restore it to road worthy condition...you would have to invest about $13,500 or more..... :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :shocked: :shocked: :shocked: :huh: :huh: :huh:

The cost to make one "roadworthy" is considerably less than the cost to restore one look as nice as the one in your link, JJ. If one can do the mechanical work themselves, restoring a "beater" doesn't cost $13.5k either.
Title: Re: Save This Eldorado!
Post by: Tom on June 17, 2020, 10:53:27 PM
He's being sarcastic.  :wink:
Title: Re: Save This Eldorado!
Post by: wirespokes on June 18, 2020, 12:46:11 AM
The thing doesn't look too terrible, but it will need another gas tank unless you're as talented as Cliffrod.

I've managed to get bikes up to speed fairly cheaply. Usually most of the parts are still in decent shape and just need a cleaning. Well, except for clutches - every one of my Guzzis has needed clutch work. But I usually don't have to spend more than two or three hundred whipping one into shape. Getting it looking like new - that's a whole nuther thing entirely! Usually mine end up looking like well-taken-care-of survivors which requires working through the issues and correcting what's wrong. I don't replace carbs, much less carb kits. I've usually got good used parts to replace bad stuff - and even then, I'll figure out a way to repair stuff that often gets tossed. I'll remove the dents, dings and scrapes and touch up the missing paint. It's more fun that way, and gives me a lot of satisfaction.

The problem with full restorations is it's hard to sell them for as much as it took getting there.
Title: Re: Save This Eldorado!
Post by: Groover on June 18, 2020, 07:36:35 AM
What's also hard about the perfect restorations is that then they become stressful. Before restoring my G5 I'd ride it, park, get off of it like a cool cowboy getting off a good horse and walk away. After restoring it, I ride it, park very carefully, get off of it, stare at it, spit-wipe the little speckle of dust that stuck to it during my ride, check my parking spacing, park it again a little better this time, walk away looking back at it, etc... it's just too much stress  :azn:
Title: Re: Save This Eldorado!
Post by: cliffrod on June 18, 2020, 08:30:18 AM
The thing doesn't look too terrible, but it will need another gas tank unless you're as talented as Cliffrod.

I've managed to get bikes up to speed fairly cheaply. Usually most of the parts are still in decent shape and just need a cleaning. Well, except for clutches - every one of my Guzzis has needed clutch work. But I usually don't have to spend more than two or three hundred whipping one into shape. Getting it looking like new - that's a whole nuther thing entirely! Usually mine end up looking like well-taken-care-of survivors which requires working through the issues and correcting what's wrong. I don't replace carbs, much less carb kits. I've usually got good used parts to replace bad stuff - and even then, I'll figure out a way to repair stuff that often gets tossed. I'll remove the dents, dings and scrapes and touch up the missing paint. It's more fun that way, and gives me a lot of satisfaction.

The problem with full restorations is it's hard to sell them for as much as it took getting there.

You're too kind...   I'm looking forward to getting back to working on my bike.   

Back in March when this - stuff stalled arrival of the next stone and resulting income, I jumped into a much needed full tilt reorganization of my shops and storage.  Before I was finished, the stone & more long-sought-after equipment arrived.  the end point moved again.  Not quite done with the shuffling and keep/discard decisions yet, but it's getting lots better.  I can see a stopping point.   It will be great to once again have my wood/model and metal shops as organized and functional as my stone studio.  I'm looking forward to making even more parts for my Guzzi.

Years ago, I would have been pretty enthused about a bike like that Eldorado. Btdt.... Now I've got enough projects and even less money & space for them.  There are some costs to making a bike roadworthy that aren't avoidable, but there's often wiggle room there.  My Corsa Record needs some level of mechanical rebuilding, so I'll do it after all is built and sorted  The cosmetics are less important to me.   
Title: Re: Save This Eldorado!
Post by: JJ on June 18, 2020, 09:22:43 AM
The cost to make one "roadworthy" is considerably less than the cost to restore one look as nice as the one in your link, JJ. If one can do the mechanical work themselves, restoring a "beater" doesn't cost $13.5k either.

No disagreement and you are right if one can do all their own mechanical work. :thumb: 

There are all different levels of one's perception regarding "roadworthy...somewh at restored...mildly restored...over the top full restoration", etc. etc.   Just takes time and money in the end.... :wink: :smiley:

In the end, I personally like bikes that end up looking like this!


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