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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: Chuck in Indiana on June 19, 2020, 10:38:23 AM
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It was a gorgeous summer morning, so took the freighter to a Tractor Supply to get a Chipmunkinator for Miss Dorcia's flower beds. :smiley: I was just thinking, "What a nice old motorcycle.. I'd ride it anywhere." :cool: I was riding back roads looking for a "Chew Mail Pouch" barn, and just generally enjoying the morning. :thumb: Went to shift up to second and missed it. Thought, "WTF?" I never miss a shift.. and tried again. "Uh oh.. that doesn't feel right." Pulled off in a handy driveway, had a look, and..
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Took a tire tool out of the kit, and bumped it into third, and rode home.
There is a place about 1/4" long that is rusty at the break, so it's been cracked a long time. There is also a welded up one in my box of spares that came with it.
So.
If you have one of these shifters.. you probably should take a magnifying glass and have a good look at it. :wink:
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Some guys are just hard on equipment :grin:
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40 years of shifting "Like you Mean It" will do that, lol.
I'd figure it's somewhat common on the older Guzzi...
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It was a gorgeous summer morning, so took the freighter to a Tractor Supply to get a Chipmunkinator for Miss Dorcia's flower beds. :smiley: I was just thinking, "What a nice old motorcycle.. I'd ride it anywhere." :cool: I was riding back roads looking for a "Chew Mail Pouch" barn, and just generally enjoying the morning. :thumb: Went to shift up to second and missed it. Thought, "WTF?" I never miss a shift.. and tried again. "Uh oh.. that doesn't feel right." Pulled off in a handy driveway, had a look, and..
(https://static.imgzeit.com/reduced/dbf2fb31ecf3ee32/IMG_20200619_110515699_HDR.jpg)
Took a tire tool out of the kit, and bumped it into third, and rode home.
There is a place about 1/4" long that is rusty at the break, so it's been cracked a long time. There is also a welded up one in my box of spares that came with it.
So.
If you have one of these shifters.. you probably should take a magnifying glass and have a good look at it. :wink:
My first glance at the side-cover logo made me think it was a Convert.
I had a clever retort about missed shifts ready and took another look just in time ....
Lannis
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Nothing will eliminate a chipmunk problem like a bucket of water with a layer of sunflower seeds floating on top.
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My first glance at the side-cover logo made me think it was a Convert.
I had a clever retort about missed shifts ready and took another look just in time ....
Lannis
Same here!! Poor eyesight led me to think it was a convert.... guess that would have made it much less of a issue if it was. :)
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Nothing will eliminate a chipmunk problem like a bucket of water with a layer of sunflower seeds floating on top.
Tried that, and a 'coon cleaned it out the first night. Set a coon trap, and he broke out. Twice. Tried a different trap last night, and he took the marshmellows without setting it off. :rolleyes: Maybe he'll get diabetes and die from all the sugar from the marshmellows.. :evil:
At any rate, until I get rid of the coon, I can't put out the "buckets of death."
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It's a clean machine. R3~
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Well Chuck It could have been way worse not the end of the world. Good luck.
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Well Chuck It could have been way worse not the end of the world. Good luck.
Oh, yeah.. no big deal really. Just looked at Harper's site and they want $250.19 (!) for one. :smiley: Uh, no, <snapping suspenders, biting off corncob pipe stem> :smiley: I loaned out my Argon tank to Austin.. looks like I need to get it back.
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Oh, yeah.. no big deal really. Just looked at Harper's site and they want $250.19 (!) for one. :smiley: Uh, no, <snapping suspenders, biting off corncob pipe stem> :smiley: I loaned out my Argon tank to Austin.. looks like I need to get it back.
Wonder if you can get a replacement 3D printed for you that might be even more customized than stock. I know the materials used to lay down the voxels for industrial needs are definitely hard enough to withstand the pressure of shifting, and you'd have the 1st 3D printed shifter! Could even customize it by color or shape as needed, or even "engraved" to match the bike it's on. Folks would be ogling it hard at the Wisconsin rally while chomping on the brats!
:)
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paying the price for all that speed shifting over the years.....
At least you got home.
Mark
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Think I'd fire up the welder...
:-)
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Tried that, and a 'coon cleaned it out the first night. Set a coon trap, and he broke out. Twice. Tried a different trap last night, and he took the marshmellows without setting it off. :rolleyes: Maybe he'll get diabetes and die from all the sugar from the marshmellows.. :evil:
At any rate, until I get rid of the coon, I can't put out the "buckets of death."
I got a marauding coon last night in my "Hav-A-Hart" trap. Baited it with a cut-up apple (it was 3 days old), and in he went. The wiliest, most dexterous coon can't get out of a Hav-A-Hart .... so he spent the night with his apple and was relocated to another watershed today.
Lannis
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NGC . Lannis, are you guaranteed the racoon will run from you instead of deciding to take a bite out of your hand while you're opening the trap? Neat looking animals ....... I had one or two on my roof that were attempting to gain access to the attic via chewing their way thru the house siding around the faux chimney. Soft spot in the siding, and they found it! Luckily, they hit ductwork. So, it was off to Home Depot on a cold December night for some hardware cloth to make a temporary repair. All the time I was on the roof doing patchwork, I kept wondering 'where are they, and are they watching me?'
Bob
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Did you call Harper's and ask if they have a used one?
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NGC . Lannis, are you guaranteed the racoon will run from you instead of deciding to take a bite out of your hand while you're opening the trap?
Bob
They ARE neat looking animals, almost intelligent looking, which is why they get the time and trouble of "relocation" as opposed to ... others.
And yes, I AM guaranteed no bites or other misbehavior while letting him out of the trap.
1) Trap is in bed of pickup truck containing one (1) worried raccoon.
2) Drop tailgate.
3) Hop up into truck bed with brush-gauntlet gloves on.
4) Hang the end of the trap over the gate of the truck.
5) Raise the end door of the trap, with door between me and raccoon.
6) Raccoon can't believe his luck, leaves the trap already going about 15 miles per hour, doesn't even break stride as he hits the ground running 10 feet from the end of the trap, and disappears into the bushes.
Any raccoon that would try to climb back up into the truck bed to get back at me for "spending a night in the box" ... well, that hasn't never happened yet but I can already tell you the outcome!
First thing any coon will do is hunt for the nearest creek or river. I let them out on a 1000 acre timber-company tract that is on a whole different watershed than the river he came from, even though it's only 2 miles from the house.
Otherwise, he'd get back home to my place before I did ....
Lannis
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Chuck must've rode like he stole it.
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I thought he called in sick for work.....then I remembered......he's retired. :grin: :grin:
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I called Mark at MG Classics. "I have an ad out to buy them." I give 60 bucks. People say they want to change from floorboards to pegs, so I made up a bunch of "kits." So far, I've sold only one." :rolleyes: :smiley:
Yeah, I'll be firing up the TIG torch. Austin said he had run my Argon dry working on his new/old Jeep. He'll get it refilled and bring it back tomorrow..
This should test my mad TIG skilz. Chrome on the outside, rust on the inside.. :grin:
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Sounds like you are set with the shifter. I'm sure welding and a bit of silver paint will get you going. As for the Chippies we use a small have a hart with no bait. They go in just because it's there. We average high twenties most years with two traps. My wife would rather shoot them but the neighbors are too close. She's a good shot but, I like most of my neighbors. Over a dozen so far this year.
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Might want to carry a vise-grip 5wr pliers in your tool bag :thumb:
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Sounds like you are set with the shifter. I'm sure welding and a bit of silver paint will get you going. As for the Chippies we use a small have a hart with no bait. They go in just because it's there. We average high twenties most years with two traps. My wife would rather shoot them but the neighbors are too close. She's a good shot but, I like most of my neighbors. Over a dozen so far this year.
Before we got the attic of our house sealed up by a good carpenter, we had families of Flying Squirrels living in our attic and between-floor spaces. Can't shoot 'em there.
I got the smallest Hav-a-hart that they make, baited it with peanut butter, and caught 35 of the things. You have no idea how much those varmints pee until you have to clean up after them inside your house ..
Lannis
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Yikes!
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we used to trap them in the barn and let them go by the river.One morning I went out to check and saw a black and white coon in the trap.After some thought I decided not to pick up the trap but to try to kill it with a22 and hope he doesn’t spray the Guzzi next to the trap.I got lucky with the 1st shot and didn’t have to fumigate the barn and bike.I ran over a dead one in the dark once and it took forever to get rid of the stink under the front fender.
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I called Mark at MG Classics. "I have an ad out to buy them." I give 60 bucks. People say they want to change from floorboards to pegs, so I made up a bunch of "kits." So far, I've sold only one." :rolleyes: :smiley:
Yeah, I'll be firing up the TIG torch. Austin said he had run my Argon dry working on his new/old Jeep. He'll get it refilled and bring it back tomorrow..
This should test my mad TIG skilz. Chrome on the outside, rust on the inside.. :grin:
Broke the spring on the rear shock on the Bandit. It was rusted inside. Gouged the aluminum shock body.
Progressive warranted it and sent me a new one.
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At least it wasn't one of those ridiculous heel toe shifters.
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Nothing will eliminate a chipmunk problem like a bucket of water with a layer of sunflower seeds floating on top.
I never knew this was a thing for chipmunks until this year.
I've used the water bucket method baited for mice before and it works.
This year for whatever reason, probably over population,lol; 9-10 chipmunks have decided to commit suicide in my rain barrels, totally bizarre.
Chuck, that weak spot on the long shift levers on the G5 must be a common thing; my G5 shift lever has a real bodgey weld repair in the same area; I've picked up a mint floor board set up with linkages & levers which will be going on at some point.
You're lucky it broke at a nice relaxed time and not in the midst of a high speed pass etc.
Hope you can get it welded up good and strong.
Kelly
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Not a great design to have such a long thin lever with no reinforcing at the join, I'm surprised they last as long as they do!
Can you fit a small Plate to strengthen it?
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Not a great design to have such a long thin lever with no reinforcing at the join, I'm surprised they last as long as they do!
Can you fit a small Plate to strengthen it?
Yeah, they are doomed to failure, IMHO. There is also a hole that is a fine stress riser.. :smiley: maybe for hanging it in the plating tank? It broke right through there. I can "probably" do something to beef it up. Haven't even looked at it, yet..
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Mine did the same 4 weeks ago. Had a 1/4 inch bolt welded top and bottom
to strengthen it. Not pretty but it works.
Malc
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Mine did the same 4 weeks ago. Had a 1/4 inch bolt welded top and bottom
to strengthen it. Not pretty but it works.
Malc
I had a good look at the toe lever end with my 10X glass, and the chrome plating is cracked there, too. It's only a matter of time..
I'll grind the chrome off that end, V it out, and TIG it, too. Looks like bead blast and powder coat will be the final finish. Nobody around here does chrome plating any more. <shrug>
All you people with these shift levers.. don't say we didn't warn you. :grin:
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Aww C'mon Chuck, just whip up a program for that Mazak machining center of yours and make up some Billet ones. They'll sell like hotcakes :evil:
Paul B :boozing:
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chuck ,,,,, I broke 2 of those levers and one of the guys here that owned the bike after me broke a couple levers and after I got the bike back broke another one . That is why you have those welded up spares. Your a metal spinner fashion one up and weld it to the pivot and be done with it ... :boozing:
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I had a good look at the toe lever end with my 10X glass, and the chrome plating is cracked there, too. It's only a matter of time..
I'll grind the chrome off that end, V it out, and TIG it, too. Looks like bead blast and powder coat will be the final finish. Nobody around here does chrome plating any more. <shrug>
All you people with these shift levers.. don't say we didn't warn you. :grin:
Decorative Chrome means Hydrogen embrittlement on loaded/stressed steel.
Ciao
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Decorative Chrome means Hydrogen embrittlement on loaded/stressed steel.
Ciao
Yeah, unless it's been baked. *Many* years ago, a guy from Texas had a very pretty if a little over done homebuilt biplane at Rockford. Tooled leather seats, chrome plated cabanes, N struts, etc. When I mentioned hydrogen embrittlement, he blew me off. After all, I was just a kid. It didn't end well eventually.
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chuck ,,,,, I broke 2 of those levers and one of the guys here that owned the bike after me broke a couple levers and after I got the bike back broke another one . That is why you have those welded up spares. Your a metal spinner fashion one up and weld it to the pivot and be done with it ... :boozing:
Eeks, Timmy.. I didn't realize they were *that* prone to breakage. I just assumed it was the stress riser down by the pivot. Austin has the cnc tied up for the foreseeable future, though. Hmmm, I could make a billet aluminum one. After all, Guzzis are all about lightness.. :grin: What I *won't* do is spend $250.19 for one. :shocked:
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Closure to this thread. Austin shut down the cnc late Friday, so yesterday I could weld. I've had a very bad experience with TIG welding while a cnc was running..This modern cnc stuff is probably ok, but still. Apparently even if I cough cough *bought* :smiley: a new one at $250.19 it's going to break eventually anyway.
So. I made up a piece of steel that fit the inside of the shifter arm tubing pretty well. Welded that to the pivot. Drove the shifter arm on to that stub, welded it to the piece of steel at the pivot, and put a couple of rosette welds on the arm on both sides. There was also a crack at the toe lever, so welded that, too.
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Powder coated the whole works flat black because the chrome was toast. It's certainly ugly welding, but all I'm going to say is YOU try welding tubing that is chrome on the outside and rust on the inside with TIG. :grin: It's stuck, at any rate, and I expect it to be a permanent repair.
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This time You get the "Atta Boy" Chuck, :thumb: In the big scheme of thing it's a minor repair, however to have the skills and tools to do it is what it's all about.
PaulB :boozing:
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For the most part, a repair that works and doesn't cost you $250 is the most important thing. :thumb: Cosmetics aside, it's proper fix and you can't see it while riding. :thumb: :thumb:
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This should test my mad TIG skilz. Chrome on the outside, rust on the inside.. :grin:
If they are half as good as your ultralight skills I am sure you will do just fine Chuck! :thumb: :thumb: :thumb:
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Nice work Chuck , as always, would love to own a tig someday. Have always gotten by with gas welding thin steel tubing etc . I have a friend who tig 's aluminum bicycle frames that are basically not much thicker than a beer can. I'd be happy to be able to weld stainless exhaust tubing without blowing holes through it.
Great fun to be able to repair things like this when they happen. Almost as fun as breaking them in the first place. :grin: