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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: Kevin M on July 03, 2020, 11:22:28 PM
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In the 1400 owner’s manual it says only to use a high quality 10W60 motor oil, I couldn’t even find where it gave specs for the oil as some have suggested. Is anyone using Castrol, and if so, what variant? How’s it working? Is there something else I should be running? Something that is readily available locally would be nice, I don’t really want to mail order my oil if I can help it. Thanks for any opinions.
Kevin
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In the 1400 owner’s manual it says only to use a high quality 10W60 motor oil, I couldn’t even find where it gave specs for the oil as some have suggested. Is anyone using Castrol, and if so, what variant? How’s it working? Is there something else I should be running? Something that is readily available locally would be nice, I don’t really want to mail order my oil if I can help it. Thanks for any opinions.
Kevin
My opinion is that my lack of any local supply at the Advance Auto, Auto Zone, and O'Reilly's Auto Parts chain stores of high-quality 10W60 oil made me change my mind that it was somehow important to have oil "locally", to being perfectly willing to mail-order it (Motul lately for me, although that's only one brand).
Mail order is cheaper, you can get it quick, the complete specs and standards that it meets are on-line, a man brings it right to your door without you having to travel in search of it, and you can have a supply on hand for the next oil change well in advance of need. There's everything to be said for it.
Lannis
Lannis
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When Guzzi suggested 20/50 in the 1100 engines, I always used Amzoil. When I needed 10/60, I used Ajip, (now known as Eni.) Now that I'm nearly out of that, I'll likely purchase whatever Cadre' is selling and have them send it to me.
Someone mentioned recently on a thread that Amzoil now has a 15/60. I may consider that but I'm not certain. With the tolerances of modern engines I have no idea how critical that may be. I know people using something heavier on Subaru's, which call for 0W/20, can get check enginge lights because the VVT can't function properly. I can't imaging 10 vs. 15 would make much difference on a Guzzi but like I said, IDK for certain.
John Henry
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I ordered online from cadre , complete full service kit. On my porch in a couple days.sure beats going out running around trying to find everything!!!
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MAXIMA 10-60 EXTRA just as Lannis suggests order it online
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Amazon sells 'LiquiMoly' full synthetic 10W60. I don't know how 'high quality' it is. They also sell Castrol 10w60...
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I used to buy it at BMW car dealerships.
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Using Motul in my Guzzi at the recommendation of the shop where I bought the bike and GuzziSteve. It's not cheap, but it seems to be the hot lick. Use it in my Aprilia, too.
I've been using Castrol since the 70's and currently run it in my Triumph (80k+) miles and my Motus. Running Castrol exclusively in my cars/trucks for almost 50 years. If Motul became unavailable, I would run the correct grade Castrol in my Guzzi and not lose a minute's sleep.
Mail ordering oil is convenient and cost effective. To quote Frank Zappa "I do it all the time."
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It’s just too easy to go online and get any weight or brand of oil one wants delivered to your door and at or below the parts store price.
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I’m using Motul 10-60 in the Stelvio. Always carry a quart for a long trip. Never needed it yet.BMW car dealerships carry 10-60 for the M engines. In a pinch just remember that the wrong oil is better than no oil.
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Castrol 10w-60 in my Breva 750ie...
It looks pretty fine to me...
Didn't notice anything wrong with it.
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The O'Reillys down the street stocks Castrol 10-60. Used it for my last oil change. It is expensive though.
kk
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LiquiMoly can lo be had a NAPA.
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Castrol is now the Guzzi (& Aprilia) official supplier of oils, replacing Agip. There is a recommendation for such in the front of the owners manuals.
What's changed? Probably some money changed hands so they good buy the prestige of being the official lubricant. You can be certain that the oils themselves haven't changed.
Any 10W-60 (or 5W-60) full synthetic will be just fine. I tend to be consistent with my oil brand choices, but a bargain is a bargain. Penrith has been my choice of late, I don't bother with the motorcycle version as there's no wet clutches in any of my Guzzii.
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Any 10W-60 (or 5W-60) full synthetic will be just fine. I tend to be consistent with my oil brand choices, but a bargain is a bargain. Penrith has been my choice of late, I don't bother with the motorcycle version as there's no wet clutches in any of my Guzzii.
The Supercheap just down the road from us has the full range of Penrite Dave. They have the 4T 10/60 on the shelf in spades, so that is what goes in to the Breva. I don't know whether there is any difference between the 4T and the HPR other than the super-slippery bit that negates clutches (heat range etc) so as it's available always it's what I use.
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Amsoil sells a 15/60 designed for Indian/Victory and they also sell a 10/60 "dirt bike oil". I use the 15/60 and I have used Amsoil for more than 20 years and have never had any kind of engine failure. They were the first to have full accreditation as the first fully synthetic oil. Just check out their "white paper" analyses under "motorcycle oils". It amazes me when I see guys scrimping on oil which is possibly the most important factor on any vehicle. Reminds me of the young guys that just bought a top of the line R1 with all the trimmings racing down the road in just a sweatshirt, tennis shoes and a mediocre helmet...they can afford the bike but not protective clothing.
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Yes, I am using Castrol. That is what the manufacturer recommends, so I see no point in looking elsewhere.
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AGIP 10-60 from E-Bay, shipped to my house. I buy a case at time.
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O'Reilly's carries this. If not, they'll order it.
Very popular with the Porsche owners.
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Never seen the Edge down here in 10W/60 from Kevin. Didn't know they made it in that weight.
So I have just done a search of Castrol NZ and it is in the Castrol Edge Supercar range. Can't see any reference to any to Zinc Phosphate in it. Does their Titanium do the same job? Who Knows? I know the 4T Penrite has a full zinc ph. loading so I think I will stick to it.
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What Perrazzimix said , plus NAPA will take your old oil . Tough to do w/mail order !
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What Perrazzimix said , plus NAPA will take your old oil . Tough to do w/mail order !
All my old oil, from whatever source, is happily taken into the big tank in ANY of the chain auto-parts places. When they recycle, whether it be old batteries, oil, pump cores, whatever, they don't care where it came from ....
Lannis
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When did MG change the recommendation? What specific Castrol product are they recommending?
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When did MG change the recommendation? What specific Castrol product are they recommending?
I first saw it in the handbook for my V85 TT.
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When did they change? When BP ponied up the highest bid.
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When did MG change the recommendation? What specific Castrol product are they recommending?
https://www.piaggiogroup.com/en/archive/press/piaggio-group-and-castrol-reach-global-agreement-supply-lubricants
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Just changed oil in my pickup with Castrol 5-20 full synthetic. Every 10k or once a year whether it needs it or not👍
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I used to buy it at BMW car dealerships.
Me too, I ran Castrol Edge 10W60 for quite a while.
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In the 1400 owner’s manual it says only to use a high quality 10W60 motor oil, I couldn’t even find where it gave specs for the oil as some have suggested. Is anyone using Castrol, and if so, what variant? How’s it working? Is there something else I should be running? Something that is readily available locally would be nice, I don’t really want to mail order my oil if I can help it. Thanks for any opinions.
Kevin
Same here on preferring to not use mail order when possible . Judging by some responses Castrol makes a suitable product for your application and it is readily available :thumb:
Dusty
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I’m still waiting to hear a story of an engine failure caused by using “the wrong oil.” Especially on a motorbike, which in most cases won’t see more than 100-200k miles of actual usage. Wet clutch slippage, sure, but a seized engine? Likely not.
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Oh yes, another oil thread...
my $0.02
oil=religion.
Blind faith.
Some oil might as well be from the fancy church
and other oil from the homeless mission downtown.
Which do you prefer?
either will get you where you need to go.
Invisible quality endorsed by the preacher to the choir.
I personally follow the doctrine of fundamentalism.
Full gospel oil frequently revived was good enough for gramaw-and its good enough for me.
All oil is thin when hot.
I used to meet oil sales reps.
Every one said their oil was superior to the others and they could prove it.
The recommended oil is from whoever pays the manufacturer enough to endorse it.
but obviously, the oil with the highest price in the prettiest can is the best....
but seriously folks, unless you are extreme or racing, almost any oil is good enough as long as it is new and fresh and close to correct weight. Even multi-weights are over rated unless you park outside ride in the winter in the North.
OK, so I may seem to be a Luddite...
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A good friend of mine and professional mechanic told me just the other day "oil is oil - it really doesn't matter!"
i reached over and grabbed some Stihl 2-stroke oil off my shelf and said "here, fill your crankcase with this and then tell me that."
He saw my point
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I’m still waiting to hear a story of an engine failure caused by using “the wrong oil.” Especially on a motorbike, which in most cases won’t see more than 100-200k miles of actual usage. Wet clutch slippage, sure, but a seized engine? Likely not.
I agree. Most people put maybe 15 to 40K on a bike before they get bored with it and buy something else. So what difference does the oil make with that kind of projected service life?
Now if you were managing a fleet of 18 wheelers and wanted to get 2.0M miles from each tractor, I could see a lot of legitimate interest in oils, filters, and so forth.
I’m actually shooting for high mileage on my Guzzi, but I’m not sure it really matters much as long as I use a decent, modern oil of the right viscosity and change it regularly.
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I prefer to make sure that every single thing on and in my bike comes from mother Italy so I use this brand:
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Everywhere I ride, it smells like lasagna. Win/win.
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but seriously folks, unless you are extreme or racing, almost any oil is good enough as long as it is new and fresh and close to correct weight. Even multi-weights are over rated unless you park outside ride in the winter in the North.
This may be true. However, those of us who have been on W.G for a long time may remember the thread started by a member who fixed bikes. Basically he said,"what the H is going on. He suddenly had 20 or so Guzzis in where the cams, followers or both had suddenly gone belly up. These ranged in mileage from about 18,000 miles to 180,000 miles. Some oil techies confirmed that the oil companies had quietly dropped the ZnPh out of oil as it killed catalytic converters.
The research I did told me that it inhibited the "microwelding" that happened between the cam and the follower in flat tappet engines. A figure required that was bandied around was in the region of either 1200ppm or 1800ppm, can't remember which. The reason SG rated oil was specified was because of the ZnPh component.
You all can run whatever you like in your Guzzis, I will stick to my 10W/60 Penrite with it's full Zinc loading thanks.
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The Castrol Edge, if it is the one I looked into a few years ago, was specified for either BMW or Mercedes and their flat tappet engines. I do not remember if it was high in zinc or another product to act like zinc. I do remember the oil was about $14 usd a bottle and I think it came in a liter bottle. I was chasing a noise on my EVT and tried a heavier oil.
FWIW, Valvoline Racing is rather high in zinc. I was using regular Valvoline in all but the HD and EVT., now they get the racing version. If zinc is a high priority, look at the motorcycle oils from Mobil, Castrol and Valvoliine. They are high in zinc, I believe the highest you can get, but they only come in certain weights.
BTW: what ever happened to using a weight oil depending on the temp you ride in???
Just my 2 cents,
Tom