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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: usedtobefast on July 04, 2020, 12:51:02 AM
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Towards end of August I need to be in Virginia, I live in California.
The CA -> VA trip will need to be "knock it out" style but the VA -> CA return trip can be leisurely explore all sorts of fun roads & areas. And solo trip, no passenger.
So the idea, buy a bike, prep it, do ride, when get home then sell it. Target budget for purchase is the $5K - $8K range, could go up to $10K if I had to. And looking used, not new.
My first thought was a Honda ST1300. Super reliable, real mile muncher. Only negatives are some very hot air/frame from radiator/motor and fairly heavy bike. And for some reason you can get really clean ones for ~$4500 with around 20-25K miles. So buy it, new tires, service, and off I go. Sell it for probably same price I bought it for when I get back.
Not interested in any BMW, just don't trust them.
In my searches I ran across some Yamaha Super Tenere 1200s. Don't know a lot about them, but most seem to have large hard cases, shaft drive, 2014+ had cruise control, way lighter than an ST1300, not as good of wind/weather protection.
So from Moto Guzzi there is the Norge or Stelvio. Not really interested in the 1400 California. I have a Griso, so I'm familiar with the drive train and power characteristics.
Of the two, I just feel Stelvio for me. This is a big adventure for me and that bike just seems to match up. Not logical on that thinking. :grin:
But, I've read about some Stelvio issues and I really need a bike that can do ~8K miles, day after day of running, with zero issues. Don't want to be posting on here with a "please help me, I broke down" thread. :grin: Also read some Norge odd issues, so same concern there.
Another bike I like the idea of is the Honda VFR1200X. Big issue is you just can't find them. Shaft drive, V4, super smooth motor. Probably like this a bit more than the Yamaha Tenere.
Not a fan of FJR's or Concours, so skipping them. Goldwings and such just too darn big for me.
So if I go with logic, very hard to beat the ST1300. But that is also kind of boring.
If I go with emotions, big green Stelvio feels like a winner.
Any other bikes to consider? Thoughts on the Norge vs. Stelvio? Thought on an MG for this type of trip?
Thanks
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I own both a 2007 Norge ,and a 2012 Stelvio NTX I love them both,either one is a great traveling machine,500-600 miles days piece of cake.Very comfortable ,more power then you will ever need.The push rod Norge gets better mileage but requires premium gas or it pings under load passing and such,The Stelvio will run on kerosene with no complaints,so cheapest fuel you can find.Maybe less miles per gallon verses cheaper gas per tank evens things out?They are both great bikes. :thumb:
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I've had both. I still have the Stelvio. Flat seat allows a little freedom of movement that I could never have on the Norge.
John Henry
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I would be looking for a 2 valve Norge no need for the power and complexity of the roller tappets or just take the Griso with a Corbin seat.
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On a long trip like that one, the big fuel tank on the 2nd Gen. Stelvio would be hard to beat. Of course, the ST1300 has a large fuel capacity as well. Neither has cruise control, which I consider a minus on a trip with a lot of interstate miles. I've ridden the big 1300, and found it ungodly heavy and rather boring. The electric windscreen was nice. But the Honda would almost certainly be trouble-free, and the easiest to find used in your budget. Since you're not planning on keeping the bike once the trip is over, I don't think you should rule BMW's off your list. The big GS1200 Adv has the range, comfort and features you'd like on a long ride. Besides, you're only asking for it to hold together for 9 or 10,000 miles. Even a BMW can do that! (well, most of em...)
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Without knowing from experience, I would guess the ST would be somewhat easier to sell after the trip than either of the MGs. I am assuming that there are a few more potential buyers for the ST out there.
I always wondered how the Norge and ST1300 compared.
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I always wondered how the Norge and ST1300 compared.
I've only ridden twins and the few times I've ridden a late model Honda, I found them to be completely uninteresting. If I have to rev the shit out of the engine to hear it, then I don't want it.
I would consider buying a used late model Road King unless your return trip involves extensive hairpin turn roads. Plenty of dealers if that is an issue, and it will be easier to resell than most of the mentioned bikes, but if it wasn't for the resell issue I'd buy the Stelvio.
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I had both a Norge and Stelvio. My big tank Stelvio took me from Virginia to California and back with no issues at all. I even had it loaded down with camping gear since we camped for a week in CA. The trip out was a 6 day blast, much of it on US 60, then on US50. The trip home was more northernly through WY but ended up on the slab through St. Louis and home. That latter part of the trip was in torrential rain where the weather protection of the Stelvio seemed almost as good as the Norge. To compare the Norge to Stelvio I'd stress that you sit down into the Norge 'pocket' but sit on top of the Stelvio. I found the Norge to be much hotter on my knees than the Stelvio. You will really appreciate the 8.5 gallon tank on the Stelvio. Plan on installing a rear tire at some point on your trip. The hot pavement will cause the rear to wear much faster than normal. Resale of a Guzzi is something we all know about. You can pick up a lightly used big block for a great price. After your trip you can probably get most of that back since the bike has already depreciated so much. It will just take a long time to find a buyer. Oh, don't forget that the Stelvio came with tubeless tires so it's much easier to fix a flat on the highway.
Peter Y.
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Fay and I have done a couple of cross-country trips (and to Nova Scotia, etc) on our '09 Stelvio.
We get about 200 miles out of the 4.9 gallon tank, which is enough for us. It has more room on it than any other bike we've ridden, more horsepower than we need, always runs cool. 7500 miles on the rear tire, 15,000 on the front. With the updated map, 48 - 50 MPG.
We'll probably use it for our next such trip; I can't think of anything that would work better.
Lannis
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Owned a Stelvio NTX for seven years and took several long trips on it with out issue. It was for me a great bike for touring. The market for used NTX is very soft so you should be able to find one well with in your price range. But as has been already noted selling it could be a slow process.
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I would consider buying a used late model Road King unless your return trip involves extensive hairpin turn roads. Plenty of dealers if that is an issue, and it will be easier to resell than most of the mentioned bikes, but if it wasn't for the resell issue I'd buy the Stelvio.
Best advice by far yet. The used market is plentiful and the bike is a lot of fun to own and ride. What better way to tour the US than on a US original. Plus it will be WAY easier to sell after your trip. As you know, selling just about any Guzzi can be a chore.
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I had both a Norge and Stelvio. My big tank Stelvio took me from Virginia to California and back with no issues at all. I even had it loaded down with camping gear since we camped for a week in CA. The trip out was a 6 day blast, much of it on US 60, then on US50. The trip home was more northernly through WY but ended up on the slab through St. Louis and home. That latter part of the trip was in torrential rain where the weather protection of the Stelvio seemed almost as good as the Norge. To compare the Norge to Stelvio I'd stress that you sit down into the Norge 'pocket' but sit on top of the Stelvio. I found the Norge to be much hotter on my knees than the Stelvio. You will really appreciate the 8.5 gallon tank on the Stelvio. Plan on installing a rear tire at some point on your trip. The hot pavement will cause the rear to wear much faster than normal. Resale of a Guzzi is something we all know about. You can pick up a lightly used big block for a great price. After your trip you can probably get most of that back since the bike has already depreciated so much. It will just take a long time to find a buyer. Oh, don't forget that the Stelvio came with tubeless tires so it's much easier to fix a flat on the highway.
Peter Y.
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I have done that trip, ENJOY!!
I did that trip on a B1100, a naked Norge, and not any issues at all.
kjf
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May be no concern, but the rear set pegs bend the knees more than I like for long hauls on the Norge.
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If you find a Norge without the MG side cases, I think that is an advantage for two reasons. First, you might be able to negotiate a lower price. Second, the MG side cases are fussy to operate and really don't have much usable capacity for their size. H&B and others provide better alternatives. And you can keep the side cases for another motorcycle when you sell the Norge (into a difficult market).
If it comes with the Givi/MG top case, keep it. Otherwise, buy the rear mount brackets on eBay (https://www.ebay.com/itm/08-Moto-Guzzi-Norge-1200-rear-back-mounts-bracket-bars/272993306005?hash=item3f8fab4595:g:yl4AAOSwUM5aPVB9) and put a Givi mount and top case on it.
Best wishes on your trip.
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If you want trouble free but warm, go with the Honda 1300. Honda dealers do not carry parts for the 1300 any more than any other of their bikes. There are a couple of sites/forums you could get help from. If you're concerned about the bike, how can you enjoy the ride? If I was going Honda, I would pick up an ST1100. A 50K mile bike can be had for ~$2500. Miles are irrelevant on these bikes. Get a post '96 with ABS if you can find one. Change the oil, coolant, brakes and tires and don't worry about the bike.
I would take the Stelvio over the Norge. Do all the after factory fixes and enjoy the 8 gal. tank range. Stop and buy gas when you want to not when you have to.
Best advice by far yet. The used market is plentiful and the bike is a lot of fun to own and ride. What better way to tour the US than on a US original. Plus it will be WAY easier to sell after your trip. As you know, selling just about any Guzzi can be a chore.
If the used market is plentiful, why would it be easy to sell? The reason the market is plentiful is because there are so many for sale (not selling). High miles kills a Harley resale.
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If the used market is plentiful, why would it be easy to sell? The reason the market is plentiful is because there are so many for sale (not selling). High miles kills a Harley resale.
True this is. Nobody wants a Harley with more that 20,000 miles on it because the market is flooded with nice, low- mileage examples. Ducati's the same way. People think a Ducati is worn out if it has more than 10,000 miles on it. (Hint: it's not.)
A Road King or a Stelvio will have tons of character and charm on a long ride. The Honda, meh, bullet-proof but boring. To some, reliability is all they care about. I never could get past that "Jetsons flying car" exhaust note.
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I kinda hate to mention a British bike on a Guzzi forum but have you considered the Triumph Trophy 1215 triple? I have no 1st hand experience with them...yet. They look like a great traveling bike and the prices seem reasonable.
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I kinda hate to mention a British bike on a Guzzi forum but have you considered the Triumph Trophy 1215 triple? I have no 1st hand experience with them...yet. They look like a great traveling bike and the prices seem reasonable.
The Trophy is our OTHER transcontinental touring bike, partnering the Stelvio. Fantastic bike, fully equipped with all the modern farkles, 132 horsepower yet gets over 50 MPG on the highway, comfy for two big people, the stock luggage hauls a ton of stuff. Always a tossup between taking the Triumph or the Stelvio when it's time to hit the long blue highways!
Lannis
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You said no BMW’s, but there are plenty of nicely worn R1100RT’s out there available for a song. I wouldn’t hesitate to ride one coast to coast and back. Avoid the R1150RT and you would likely have no issues.
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I think the bugaboo is that you want to sell it after... By the time you buy the MG, spend the time and money sorting it for the trip, and riding it for 10K miles.... I would hate to then need to sell it, and sitting in it all the time it takes to do so. As for as easy... I ditto a nice road king.. Easy to buy, and if its nice, they sell OK. It would be a fun ride for sure... The Honda ST is also a great idea. Pretty cheap to get into, and odds are can sell for what you got into it later. A little bland.. But more exciting then a gold wing. If I was planning in keeping it after, Im really starting to like the Stelvio's. Cool bike, and while I have not been on one yet, they look like they would fit my 6'3" size better then a lot of the Guzzis do.
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Funny... After writing this I checked Marketplace and found a nice looking one about 10 min from me!!! Nice price also!!
https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/2476847502627873/
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Funny... After writing this I checked Marketplace and found a nice looking one about 10 min from me!!! Nice price also!!
https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/2476847502627873/
Looks good and roller conversion done too!
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Looks good and roller conversion done too!
I know.. Sadly Im not in the market. Looks like a darn good value!! Im even more shocked that there is another MG within 50 miles of me!!!
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You’re agonising over this unnecessarily mate.
Well sorted 2 VPC Norges are thick on the ground over there. Just get one, do the startus and greasing work then ride it locally for a bit to spot any issues.
Then bugger off.
Really 15,000 is not a massive trip, it’s one set of Pilot 5’s.
If you take away the excitement of the Guzzi and buy a stone BMW or a plastic Honda, when you get home and feel brave again, you’ll feel like the bloke who had his first kiss with his sister, really easy and no spice.
I did Europe 2015 on a GS BMW because I didn’t have the balls to take a Norge to Nordkapp and I had a leaking seal and blown fuel pump on that trip.
Following year I went back on my Norge and the tools did not see the light of day after 20,000 km.
This is an exciting venture you are embarking on, so you don’t want to feel like you spent your honeymoon night with your pyjamas on....
Do the scary thing and take a Guzzi, you’ll never hear the end of it if you don’t... :popcorn:
What could possibly go wrong..?
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The Trophy is our OTHER transcontinental touring bike, partnering the Stelvio. Fantastic bike, fully equipped with all the modern farkles, 132 horsepower yet gets over 50 MPG on the highway, comfy for two big people, the stock luggage hauls a ton of stuff. Always a tossup between taking the Triumph or the Stelvio when it's time to hit the long blue highways!
Lannis
I’m a Guzzi guy but having owned a Triumph 1200 Triple, it was hands down the best touring bike for me. Can get one for a good price too.
inditx
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Having done quite a few cross country trips going back to the '60s I would vote for a middle weight dual sport or "adventure" bike. Minimal fairing as it will still be hot in August. Dual sport because the best scenery will be off the beaten path. Lighter is better.
Pete
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Okaaayyyy then.....
Have fun. :popcorn:
Seems to me like some blokes here extol the virtues of a Guzzi then shy away when there’s a half decent trip on the cards.
If you do not do the trip on a Guzzi, your post ride report will be missing something you wish was there.
Your choice.
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You could fly to Buffalo, buy my 2014 Norge that's been serviced by Hamlin from day one, and not have to "bang out" your eastern portion of there trip.
Just sayin.............. ....and I'm well in your price range.
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Thanks for the ideas so far!
Seems like a Stelvio is getting the most votes. :grin:
The ST1300 is just so darn practical. And I found one with 6,000 miles on it, $4500, short drive away.
Only decent Stelvio I'm seeing (within practical driving distance) the guy wants $9000 for it! ouchie!
Harley Road King? Hum, I've rented two Harley's in the past and been way under impressed with them. Can't imagine having to ride one for that long. Maybe I should go test ride one to double check my dislike of Harleys. :grin:
The Triumph Trophy SE, had not even thought of that one. Did some reading, seems like a Triumph version of the R1200RT. Nearest decent used one is a mega drive away from me thou.
And good point on the weak resale of a Moto Guzzi post trip. But since I'm buying used, and will add <10K miles, if shouldn't be a big financial drop, just might take a while to find a buyer. I'd be happy with something like buy for $7500 ish, sell for $6500 ish. (Or buy at $7K, sell at $6K)
Maybe a nice used reasonably priced Stelvio (not too far away) will pop up. There is one in Colorado but that is 1200 miles away.
Any other ideas/suggestions, please post away. Thanks!
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You list 4 bikes in your sig. Why don't you just take one of those. Seems they would all be capable and maybe even better suited for this trip. My first cross country trip was done on a 750 Norton with a duffle bag bungeed to the back seat.
Pete
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https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/3102877753088725/
Probably get if for less than the $5K asking price. Who knows if it's been rollerized but I'm guessing it's easy to find out.
Never mind, this is the dealer in Vegas.
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Too many posts for me to read, but maybe the OP will read all since he is taking the trip.
Are you planning on photography during the trip? Which bike do you want in your photos?
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I would like to run regular in my Stelvio but have always been wary.Anyone else do that?
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I ran regular fuel in my Stelvio, never had a problem. She was not babied. Ran fine from sea level to 11,500 ft altitude and from 25F to 103F. I had the stock intake and exhaust but did install a better fuel map. As we all know, the big block likes to spin so I seldom ran below 3K rpm.
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You could fly to Buffalo, buy my 2014 Norge that's been serviced by Hamlin from day one, and not have to "bang out" your eastern portion of there trip.
Just sayin.............. ....and I'm well in your price range.
This is what I am thinking... Take a few extra days touring the mountains of NY to make up for the lost riding from the west coast. Upstate NY has some of the best motorcycle roads anywhere.
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So you have a Griso that you know. Get a Pro-pad for your butt, some textiles day bags and a tail bag & tank bag and ride it.
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For my Griso, I'm not manly enough to jump on that for a 8K-10K mile trip! Sure I could add bar risers, lower pegs, windshield, luggage, and try to turn it into something it is not, but I don't really want to do that to my precious Griso. :laugh:
For my Quota, I've taken off on a 3 day trip that turned into a 2 day trip and a list of repairs needed. So I don't have much faith in it going the distance. Plus the wind management on it is kind of bad. I normally ride it 2-5 hours, back roads, lower speeds, and for that it is great. Hitting the highway and running steady high speeds, even with ear plugs, is not enjoyable. Loud, buffeting, etc.
The Racer? Nahhhh, similar concerns as with the Griso.
I have 1 bad knee, crappy wrists, kind of bad back, etc ... getting old :smiley: ... so I figured I'd better pick a bike made for this kind of trip that will make my life easier.
I really like the Stelvio idea ... just hope a good one turns up.
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I would like to run regular in my Stelvio but have always been wary.Anyone else do that?
When I get the bike home from a trip, I fill it up from my drum of 91 octane stabilized non-ethanol just in case it will end up sitting for a while.
On the road I generally use 89 octane E10, unless there's only 87 octane and I use that.
Can't ever tell any difference in performance or mileage, so the cheapest is probably the best in this case.
Lannis
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I sure like my 2016 Versys 1000LT. Great ergos brakes, luggage and wind protection. Ninja power. Kawasaki reliability. It's not an adventure bike so stay off loose gravel.
These are well within your budget.
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Just for curiousity...
Here in Italy, when you sell a motorcycle or a car, you must pay a tax. For motorcycles if both seller and buyer go personally to the National Registry, they must pay around 140 USD (who pays depends on the transaction terms). If you go to an agency, they take care of the paperwork but you'll pay 50%-75% more.
Car taxes are much higher.
It is the same in the USA?
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I would like to run regular in my Stelvio but have always been wary.Anyone else do that?
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Just for curiousity...
Here in Italy, when you sell a motorcycle or a car, you must pay a tax. For motorcycles if both seller and buyer go personally to the National Registry, they must pay around 140 USD (who pays depends on the transaction terms). If you go to an agency, they take care of the paperwork but you'll pay 50%-75% more.
Car taxes are much higher.
It is the same in the USA?
Buyer pays a sales tax, which can vary from state to state, and even county to county. From zero on used, to over 10 percent of purchase price.
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Just for curiousity...
Here in Italy, when you sell a motorcycle or a car, you must pay a tax. For motorcycles if both seller and buyer go personally to the National Registry, they must pay around 140 USD (who pays depends on the transaction terms). If you go to an agency, they take care of the paperwork but you'll pay 50%-75% more.
Car taxes are much higher.
It is the same in the USA?
Depends on the state.. Normal y its the buyer that pays.. but some states dont have a sales tax and have a usage tax.. where they pay a tax on value every set amount of years.
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Much as I love MG for your trip, considering cost, handling, comfort and RELIABILITY I would highly recommend a Suzuki Vstrom of 1000 or 650 cc. I road tripped on two DL100's for 45,000 miles without a glitch. Cheap, good handling, comfortable and reliable. Big dual sports are sit upright comfy and good handlers for people of a certain age!
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Then I recommend a Japanese Lotus Elan 2nd gen. Miata :thumb:
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One thing not mentioned so far is the difference in their off-road capabilities. If you are planning on a straight interstate trip then either is great with personal comfort and luggage capabilities being potentially deciding factors. If you are planning side/dirt roads then a big fuel tank, crash bars and additional off-road capabilities are beneficial.
I have a 2009 Kawasaki Concours C-14 set up for long distance however bought a 2013 Stelvio specifically for the trip from Dead Horse, Alaska to Key West, Florida next year. The Concours is a magnificent mile-eater on pavement - smooth, fast, reliable - but I don't think it is properly set up for running the Dalton Highway. The Stelvio (with the proper tires) is more adapt in that environment. It just needs to have the tires changed when it is back on continuous pavement to finish the Ultimate Coast to Coast run.
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One thing not mentioned so far is the difference in their off-road capabilities. If you are planning on a straight interstate trip then either is great with personal comfort and luggage capabilities being potentially deciding factors. If you are planning side/dirt roads then a big fuel tank, crash bars and additional off-road capabilities are beneficial.
I have a 2009 Kawasaki Concours C-14 set up for long distance however bought a 2013 Stelvio specifically for the trip from Dead Horse, Alaska to Key West, Florida next year. The Concours is a magnificent mile-eater on pavement - smooth, fast, reliable - but I don't think it is properly set up for running the Dalton Highway. The Stelvio (with the proper tires) is more adapt in that environment. It just needs to have the tires changed when it is back on continuous pavement to finish the Ultimate Coast to Coast run.
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Sounds like a great trip!!!
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One thing not mentioned so far is the difference in their off-road capabilities. If you are planning on a straight interstate trip then either is great with personal comfort and luggage capabilities being potentially deciding factors. If you are planning side/dirt roads then a big fuel tank, crash bars and additional off-road capabilities are beneficial.
I have a 2009 Kawasaki Concours C-14 set up for long distance however bought a 2013 Stelvio specifically for the trip from Dead Horse, Alaska to Key West, Florida next year. The Concours is a magnificent mile-eater on pavement - smooth, fast, reliable - but I don't think it is properly set up for running the Dalton Highway. The Stelvio (with the proper tires) is more adapt in that environment. It just needs to have the tires changed when it is back on continuous pavement to finish the Ultimate Coast to Coast run.
Just repeating what other Stelvio riders have said ... many of them have tires that are very much off-road capable, matter of fact they look rather rough and craggy for street work ... but they insist that they work as well on pavement as the 100% street tires.
I may spring for a pair of those, just for giggles, when the next tire change comes up ...
Lannis
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Just repeating what other Stelvio riders have said ... many of them have tires that are very much off-road capable, matter of fact they look rather rough and craggy for street work ... but they insist that they work as well on pavement as the 100% street tires.
I may spring for a pair of those, just for giggles, when the next tire change comes up ...
Lannis
During 7000 miles of Dunlop Roadsmart III front tire use, I find it noticeably smoother riding than the OEM Pirelli Scorpion Trail front tire. So are those off-road capable tires you mentioned going to ride as smooth as the 100% street Dunlop? And I also need to be assured they work as well on pavement during an emergency stop in a fast turn. Those emergency stops don't happen too often, maybe those you are repeating didn't have the experience necessary to comment.
It's all about factor of safety for me riding on road. True I need to switch tires when off pavement though.
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My ST1300 was the most boring motocycle I have bnb owned. They also have a known issue with coolant leaks as mine had on the top of the engine which requires removal of the fairing and radiator.
I now have a '09 Norge and it is one of the best sportier touring bikes I have owned. I have had FJRs, Concours and various BMWs. Plus, you can find one cheaper than all of them.
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If an ST1300 is still in the running, I would look into a CTX1300. Same engine although detuned (Less hp/more torque). Can be had with ABS/TCS. I Love mine. Most comfortable bike that I have owned for long distance travel. My"Huzzy". "My" problem with Guzzi for cross country trips is the scarcity of dealers, not to mention good ones.
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If an ST1300 is still in the running, I would look into a CTX1300. Same engine although detuned (Less hp/more torque). Can be had with ABS/TCS. I Love mine. Most comfortable bike that I have owned for long distance travel. My"Huzzy". "My" problem with Guzzi for cross country trips is the scarcity of dealers, not to mention good ones.
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Ahh..
Ye of so little faith, it’s gunna’ be good to see how this works out... :popcorn:
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"My" problem with Guzzi for cross country trips is the scarcity of dealers, not to mention good ones.
I definitely don't understand that ... Why would you think you need a dealer nearby for a cross-country trip?
Make sure the bike is right before you go, then just ride. If you hole a tire, you or any tire-fixer can fix it. Unless you're going 15,000 miles in one trip, you shouldn't need any "dealer" service.
Out in the middle of nowhere, a Honda dealer might be as far away from wherever you might "need" one as a Guzzi dealer is at home. You can't have any fun limiting your route or your trip to "X" miles away from a dealer .... ? At least I wouldn't.
Lannis
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I definitely don't understand that ... Why would you think you need a dealer nearby for a cross-country trip?
Make sure the bike is right before you go, then just ride. If you hole a tire, you or any tire-fixer can fix it. Unless you're going 15,000 miles in one trip, you shouldn't need any "dealer" service.
Out in the middle of nowhere, a Honda dealer might be as far away from wherever you might "need" one as a Guzzi dealer is at home. You can't have any fun limiting your route or your trip to "X" miles away from a dealer .... ? At least I wouldn't.
Lannis
Having the bike in good shape is no assurance you are not going to have a problem. Nor is it the same to have a breakdown 100 than 400 miles away from a dealer.
I do not limit my trips based on distance from a dealer. I just use my Honda for which I know there is an extensive dealer network. That is also why I no longer use my BMWs for extensive travel.
But, in any case that is my opinion, and if you are comfortable with a guzzi cross country trip that is fine by me. For that purpose, I prefer my Honda.
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I don’t know about the other bikes but the newer Norges have improved fairing lowers that reduces the heat on the lower legs. Maybe something to consider for a long summer ride.
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I have 1 bad knee, crappy wrists, kind of bad back, etc ... getting old :smiley: ... so I figured I'd better pick a bike made for this kind of trip that will make my life easier.
I can relate to this description, and in my experience, the Road King is the better choice for an enjoyable trip. I've toured on a Norge, a California, a BMW GS, a Buell Ulysses, a Road King and a few others. The Road King, for me, is the most comfortable of the bunch and still has enough character to be enjoyable. They do live up their name. The Ulysses is my number two choice.
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Today's update:
- probably passing on an ST1300. Too heavy. Too boring. And the "excessive heat on the rider" thing for an August trip doesn't sound good.
- no decent Stelvio's to be found (yet)
- finding a number of nice Yamaha Super Tenere's. Might go check 1 or 2 out this week.
- considering a V-Strom 1000, but really want a shaft drive
- did another search on VRF1200X's and nothing out there (well, some new leftovers and a used one that is 11 hours away from me)
- thought about taking the Quota for about 2-3 minutes then got over that! :grin:
A bit more about the trip:
- CA->VA will need to be a ~6 day major road "get there quick" trip
- Then I will be in VA for 2-3 weeks hanging around with family (wedding, and visit with relatives in the area) (do any bike maint/tires)
- Then the VA->CA trip can be 3-4 weeks
Going solo, so I don't really want to venture off into any remote dirt areas and drop a ~600lb bike. If on a Stelvio or Super Tenere, going through Colorado and Utah will be tempting. But ... they have rentals. So I could ride my Triumph Trophy 1200 SE into Moab and then rent a KTM dirt bike! (for example) (or my Stelvio with street ish tread tires and do a real dirt bike rental)
So it will probably come down to which nice bike pops up in the used market in the next few weeks. Figuring on a mid August departure, and I'd like to get the new to me bike as early as possible to get things sorted out (might have to buy cases, or tires, and do pre-trip maint).
Right now, the Super Tenere 1200 is looking like the most possible. Got 3 nice ones not too far away.
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Oh wait, there was this bike:
(https://i.ibb.co/ZVWgGGy/Yamaha.jpg) (https://ibb.co/ZVWgGGy)
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Thanks for the ideas so far!
Seems like a Stelvio is getting the most votes. :grin:
The ST1300 is just so darn practical. And I found one with 6,000 miles on it, $4500, short drive away.
Only decent Stelvio I'm seeing (within practical driving distance) the guy wants $9000 for it! ouchie!
Harley Road King? Hum, I've rented two Harley's in the past and been way under impressed with them. Can't imagine having to ride one for that long. Maybe I should go test ride one to double check my dislike of Harleys. :grin:
The Triumph Trophy SE, had not even thought of that one. Did some reading, seems like a Triumph version of the R1200RT. Nearest decent used one is a mega drive away from me thou.
And good point on the weak resale of a Moto Guzzi post trip. But since I'm buying used, and will add <10K miles, if shouldn't be a big financial drop, just might take a while to find a buyer. I'd be happy with something like buy for $7500 ish, sell for $6500 ish. (Or buy at $7K, sell at $6K)
Maybe a nice used reasonably priced Stelvio (not too far away) will pop up. There is one in Colorado but that is 1200 miles away.
Any other ideas/suggestions, please post away. Thanks!
Cheapest but still reliable machine to do the trip on would be a first gen Concours. Big tank, comfortable, fast. You can pick nice ones up all day for $2500.
The FJR1300 is a great bike. Relatively sporty but capable of big miles daily.
The Stelvio is a good bike but the Suzuki DL1000 Is the same idea, with less maintenance, weighs 100lbs less and can be picked up for a song.
The thought of slabbing across the US in August, on almost any motorcycle, isn’t pleasant. Personally, I’d rather fly and take advantage of kingoffleece’s Norge or a similar bike for the return trip. It would eliminate the need to find a shop to swap tires mid trip. It would eliminate 6 days of misery. You’d have a LOT more options on bikes because you wouldn’t have to prioritize 600 mile days.
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You have a Trophy? Why are you not taking that?
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Running from San Fransisco to DC you would likely be doing a lot of I-80. US 30 parallels it from western Wyoming to Omaha and pretty rural most of the way. You can hop back on 80 to get around the bigger cities. We did that a few years ago traveling east from Portland. You won't loose much time and its a more interesting ride.
Pete
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500 mile days, 6 days in a row by someone with some health issues doesn't seem reasonable. That's 10-12 hours a day riding at a pretty good clip. A couple toad strangler storms in the Midwest would add a day and make for a pretty miserable trip, IMHO. Running 70mph all day, in August, with a loaded bike is going to eat tires. I've re-thought my suggestions:
1)Something..ANYTHING with cruise control.
2)Concerns about weight would go out the window and I'd be looking at something with a big, flat seat to move around on and a larger seat to peg ratio.
3)Airflow management. If it buffets you'll be exhausted and deaf after 60-70 hours of riding. You'll want protection when you get caught in a downpour and you'll want it somewhat adjustable to handle a 40 degree temperature swing from 60-100 degrees.
4)LED headlight or something with auxiliary lights. You're going to end up riding at night on unfamiliar roads.
Or...add three days to the trip East and nearly all of those issues disappear. In my experience, 300 mile days back to back are easy. 500 mile days are an exponential effort higher. 300 mile days make the trip pain free on any of the bikes you already own.
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Why all the agonising ?
Just buy King of Fleece’s Norge and go...There’s nothing to work out.
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Recently replaced my 13 Stelvio with 47k miles for an FJR. Way better road bike in every way, also have a 17 Griso and can't imagine a long road trip with it. why suffer? Used Stelvios are hard to sell and dirt cheap. Mine was in great condition and only brought $4300. after a long time on the market.
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You have a Trophy? Why are you not taking that?
No, that was a recommendation. Seems like a great "touring bike" suggestion, but nearest decent used one near me is ~11 hours away. :sad: They have tons of features and seem to be several thousand less than a BMW.
Point was, even if I was on a touring (zero dirt) type of bike, I could rent a dirt bike in Moab or Colorado for some dirt fun ... vs. trying to ride a Stelvio offroad there.
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500 mile days, 6 days in a row by someone with some health issues doesn't seem reasonable. That's 10-12 hours a day riding at a pretty good clip. A couple toad strangler storms in the Midwest would add a day and make for a pretty miserable trip, IMHO. Running 70mph all day, in August, with a loaded bike is going to eat tires. I've re-thought my suggestions:
1)Something..ANYTHING with cruise control.
2)Concerns about weight would go out the window and I'd be looking at something with a big, flat seat to move around on and a larger seat to peg ratio.
3)Airflow management. If it buffets you'll be exhausted and deaf after 60-70 hours of riding. You'll want protection when you get caught in a downpour and you'll want it somewhat adjustable to handle a 40 degree temperature swing from 60-100 degrees.
4)LED headlight or something with auxiliary lights. You're going to end up riding at night on unfamiliar roads.
Or...add three days to the trip East and nearly all of those issues disappear. In my experience, 300 mile days back to back are easy. 500 mile days are an exponential effort higher. 300 mile days make the trip pain free on any of the bikes you already own.
The health issues are really just ache-ie joint type things. The ADV style bikes feel the most comfortable to me vs. say a stock Griso.
I hear you about the trip out. I'm thinking about leaving a bit earlier ... target 400 mile days and have 1-2 "rain" day (lower mileage) worked in. Can't miss the wedding!
And it is a bit funny ... trip out? Goldwing. Trip back? Twisty backroad (as much as possible) bike.
I did check, it is ~$1000 for a one way rental car. Rental car out, buy a bike in VA, fun 3-4 week ride back?
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Why all the agonising ?
Just buy King of Fleece’s Norge and go...There’s nothing to work out.
His bike is ~2800 miles away from me. :grin:
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A couple months ago, there was an espresso Norge for sale in So. Cal, down in Whittier I believe. Exceptional bike, probably needs little modification for your needs as it already had all of the items needed to make it an all day tourer, other than maybe a sheepskin cover for the seat. Not far from you...very fair price, and you'd have plenty of fun out and back.
My only guess is you may not want to sell the bike afterwards!
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I have a 2013 Stelvio and a 2011 Gold Wing. Both chew up miles pretty well! But of course the Gold Wing really is the comfort king in my opinion.
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Today's update:
- probably passing on an ST1300. Too heavy. Too boring. And the "excessive heat on the rider" thing for an August trip doesn't sound good.
- no decent Stelvio's to be found (yet)
- finding a number of nice Yamaha Super Tenere's. Might go check 1 or 2 out this week.
- considering a V-Strom 1000, but really want a shaft drive
- did another search on VRF1200X's and nothing out there (well, some new leftovers and a used one that is 11 hours away from me)
- thought about taking the Quota for about 2-3 minutes then got over that! :grin:
A bit more about the trip:
- CA->VA will need to be a ~6 day major road "get there quick" trip
- Then I will be in VA for 2-3 weeks hanging around with family (wedding, and visit with relatives in the area) (do any bike maint/tires)
- Then the VA->CA trip can be 3-4 weeks
Going solo, so I don't really want to venture off into any remote dirt areas and drop a ~600lb bike. If on a Stelvio or Super Tenere, going through Colorado and Utah will be tempting. But ... they have rentals. So I could ride my Triumph Trophy 1200 SE into Moab and then rent a KTM dirt bike! (for example) (or my Stelvio with street ish tread tires and do a real dirt bike rental)
So it will probably come down to which nice bike pops up in the used market in the next few weeks. Figuring on a mid August departure, and I'd like to get the new to me bike as early as possible to get things sorted out (might have to buy cases, or tires, and do pre-trip maint).
Right now, the Super Tenere 1200 is looking like the most possible. Got 3 nice ones not too far away.
I have a riding buddy that has a first gen Super Tenere and still loves it. Reliable as a hammer and smooth.
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His bike is ~2800 miles away from me. :grin:
Paralysis by analysis seems real in this case. Relax, you’re planning a wonderful trip and it seems, by reading your posts, you’re worrying way too much. If you don’t/can’t trust your Quota for your trip, sell it, as it’s useless in your garage.
Flying to Buffalo to get the Norge is an awesome idea. As is a big heavy comfortable road bike like a Road King, Road Star, Cross Country, Chieftain, VTX etc etc etc.
My bike isn’t made anymore, it’s a dead brand, plus it has 76K miles on it. I wouldn’t hesitate at all riding it from coast to coast and back again. The dealer network wasn’t all that great when the bikes were current anyway so why worry about it now.
Your bigger issue may be getting yourself ready for several weeks in a row on a motorcycle. If you’re not used to multiple several hundred mile days in a row, you need to be ready for it before you start your trip.
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Paralysis by analysis seems real in this case. Relax, you’re planning a wonderful trip and it seems, by reading your posts, you’re worrying way too much. If you don’t/can’t trust your Quota for your trip, sell it, as it’s useless in your garage.
Flying to Buffalo to get the Norge is an awesome idea. As is a big heavy comfortable road bike like a Road King, Road Star, Cross Country, Chieftain, VTX etc etc etc.
My bike isn’t made anymore, it’s a dead brand, plus it has 76K miles on it. I wouldn’t hesitate at all riding it from coast to coast and back again. The dealer network wasn’t all that great when the bikes were current anyway so why worry about it now.
Your bigger issue may be getting yourself ready for several weeks in a row on a motorcycle. If you’re not used to multiple several hundred Mike days in a row, you need to be ready for it before you start your trip.
I don't think it is "paralysis" to spend a few days figuring which motorcycle to ride for a ~5 week trip. :grin: And I am relaxed, I find moto shopping fun.
For the Quota, it is super fun. I really enjoy the bike and take it on many ~100 mile local trips. But it probably has not gone more than 500 miles without needing some attention. Like one of the dash mounts broke or the speedo 90 degree bend thing fell out or the rear brakes over heated and faded or it started leaking oil like crazy or the charging system goes nuts and charges at 17v ... so the odds of it making an 8000 mile trip? Ha. But since it isn't good for an 8000 mile trip doesn't mean I'm going to get rid of it. It is a quirky keeper. :grin:
A big part of this trip is to avoid flying, and go to my nephew's wedding, and a long moto trip sounded like a great idea. So I'm not going to fly to buy a bike. The Buffalo Norge sounds like a great idea, but the logistics make it a bit messy. Like if I did the one way rental car to VA for the first part, attend the wedding, then I'm still ~530 miles from the Norge. And unfortunately there are no Norge's around my area at all ... so not sure how the leg room/bend is. The ADV style bikes seem to be way more comfortable to me.
As for me being ready physically, I'd give that a "fair" rating. :grin: I'm riding ~4 times per week now, but many of those rides are 60-120 miles. Did one 330 mile day recently and it was no problem. In the past I've done 3-4 day trips, usually around that 350 mile/day range (and mostly tight twisty backroads, so speed lower, daily mileage lower). So 7 400 mile days on highways should be doable. And if I figure 2 rain days with 200 mile per day amounts that should be doable too. So basically give myself 9 days to go 2800 miles vs. the original 6 I was thinking.
Kind of zero'ing in on ADV style bike with shaft drive and hard cases. Stelvio, Super Tenere, VFR1200X ... and maybe a V-Strom 1000 and a can of chain lube. :grin:
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For the Quota, it is super fun. I really enjoy the bike and take it on many ~100 mile local trips. But it probably has not gone more than 500 miles without needing some attention. Like one of the dash mounts broke or the speedo 90 degree bend thing fell out or the rear brakes over heated and faded or it started leaking oil like crazy or the charging system goes nuts and charges at 17v ... so the odds of it making an 8000 mile trip? Ha. But since it isn't good for an 8000 mile trip doesn't mean I'm going to get rid of it. It is a quirky keeper. :grin:
I'm glad you like it. But yea, it's quirky alright. Everyone has differing opinions on the matter. If I thought about a bike I owned as you described your Quota I couldn't get rid of it fast enough. It's simply not dependable enough to be trusted. For an 'adventure' bike, your description leads me to believe the adventure is in if the bike makes it back under its own power. Fine enough for an around town 'bar hopper' with your trailer owning friends, but not worth the garage space for me.
Enjoy the journey, all of them.
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I get it, but why drive to the wedding? You land, get the bike, and then ride the fantastic Appalachian Mountains all the way there. Sure beats the Great Plains, which you'll hit going home anyway. If one can't have fun riding from my house to the south then you just can't have fun. You can two lane and twist 99% of the way.
But, you'll have fun anyway you do it.
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Lots of good suggestions for your trip. I have done some good trips but just not across the country. I have some physical problems that limit my riding on a trip to 300-350 miles a day. If I could have an FJR1300 I would probably have it for longer trips if I could mount it. I've had Yamaha's in the past and they are very dependable. I had a BMWR1150RT to take on a myriad of trips but I could not hold the bike up in bad pavement because of my bad hip/sciatica. The bike ran flawlessly. My Harley was dependable but was underpowered. A lot of dealers that can help you out, if you have Road King. So, Guzzi's aren't any different than any other bike, they just need dependable servicing. One thing I like about a naked bike is that stuff is visible vs. having to take off fairing components. That is one thing that "most" Guzzi's are good at. But, would I choose Guzzi over a Yamaha, BMW, Honda, Suzuki, Kawasaki, Ducati, RE, yes, maybe...
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I have an 07 Norge sliver .Two 01 California special sports and A 2016 V Strom 650As much as I love my guzzis I would take the Strom . The way I see it the DL 650 is lighter .DL can take you off road, gets up to 60mpg (not me but some do) also way less heat coming off the DL.vs Norge..
Has plenty of power on for the highway
You can find good 650's under 5k , If you want new, 650 adventure model sell for around 10 k that includes aluminum cases, hand warmers crash bars Etc.
The bike handles good not Guzzi good but its ok . Resale ? I dont KNow I always buy hardly ever sell
If I had the money and I didn't need to sell (or not) after then trip I would purchase the V85TT hands down.
IMHO The dl650 is a poor mans Moto Guzzi V85TTAdventure
Happy Hunting
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I have a Stelvio and a 650 V Strom. The way I see it the Stelvio is better in every way.
Unless they are laying on their sides.
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I have a Stelvio and a 650 V Strom. The way I see it the Stelvio is better in every way.
Unless they are laying on their sides.
f[ I've not ridden a NTX Stevio, too tall for me but if it's as hot as my Norge on 90*+ days :shocked:
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f[ I've not ridden a NTX Stevio, too tall for me but if it's as hot as my Norge on 90*+ days :shocked:
More heat than the V Strom, but only on the shins, not a big deal. Probably cooler overall than the Norge because of the Norge bodywork.
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Recently replaced my 13 Stelvio with 47k miles for an FJR. Way better road bike in every way, also have a 17 Griso and can't imagine a long road trip with it. why suffer? Used Stelvios are hard to sell and dirt cheap. Mine was in great condition and only brought $4300. after a long time on the market.
Funny how peoples experiences and perceptions differ. I bought a new FJR because of their great reputation and the fact that they had been made for a decade virtually unchanged, figuring they were "sorted". Worst bike ever. Cramped and uncomfortable, terrible wind protection with 3 different screens, hot, and unstable as all hell. Only bike I ever had that wore out the front tire twice as fast as the rear! :shocked: I would much rather ride my V7 on a long trip than an FJR.
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I amend my previous post;
Get the Quota all checked and primed and then let the adventure begin!
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I just got back from a 4 day 1700 mile trip. 600 miles to the destination, two days of 250 miles each riding around the area and than another 600 mile ride home. No big deal and I don't claim to be any kind of distance rider. The trip you're writing about will be far more demanding than the simple ride I did over 4 days. But here are a few things I was reminded of that I like. YMMV.
The feet, seat and grip ergonomics triangle needs to fit YOU. Many bikes are designed with a rider between 5'8" and 5'11" and between 150 and 185 pounds in mind. If you fit that range or not, the riders triangle has to fit YOU. For days on end for your planed ride.
There are valid reasons people choose to replace handlebars and use an aftermarket seat.
Floorboards are so much more comfortable and offer so many options for foot placement over foot pegs. My floorboards are 18" long and they provide much needed full knee movement and foot placement options.
Having foot rests on a highway bar is another huge benefit.
The bikes seat as well as yours seat has to able to do the miles you need to cover each day.
A rider backrest is awesome to lean against to raise your butt off the seat from time to time.
A windshield or a fairing is best when it doesn't beat you up with buffeting and/or wind noise. The oem 'Classic' windshield that came on my Bassas looked great but performed terribly. An aftermarket California Touring Shield or a Swanee Aerofoil took care of the function wonderfully though.
For me, cruise control is a must have item. Not a throttle lock, an actual cruise control. I did damage to the tendons of my two right hand middle fingers decades ago when I rode 1000 mile days on my first Bassa. I ordered a Throttlemeister the day I got home but the finger damage was already done.
Audio - again for me, having a Sena SMH10 integrated into my Bell Mag-9 helmet is another must have item. Yes, I know it's nice that people post how they'd rather listen to their bike instead of music or podcasts. But in my real world life, having the Sena is a necessity. And I love the sound of my aftermarket exhaust system under all riding conditions.
Anti Monkey Butt Powder works wonders. If a little is good, more is better and too much is just right. If the powder is lightly landing on your boot tops as you walk from your hotel room to your bike you may have applied Anti Monkey Butt Powder correctly. It was in the high 90's on my little 4 day jaunt. I was the only one not complaining about Swamp Butt and such.
Helmets, clothes, gloves, tire options etc. Again, they need to be the right choice for YOU.
The more I think about it, flying and riding someone else's modified or stock bike is likely not the best option. Even before my little 1700 mile trip I spent as much time as I could making tank draining rides non stop to get myself mentally ready for a mere 600 mile day. My bike has been set up for me and my preferences for many years now.
Like I posted, YMMV as will others opinions and findings.
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Ok, figured I'd update this thread:
Short version:
Trip canceled
Bought a Stelvio anyway! (that thread here: https://wildguzzi.com/forum/index.php?topic=107163 )
Long version:
Backing up to my shopping over the past 4 weeks ...
I really wanted to avoid BMW's as I've heard too many failure stories and had friends with some bad experiences ... but ... I noticed my local BMW dealer had a number of used bikes, so I went there. Test rode a 2011 BMW R1200RT. A very nice touring bike. Almost blocks too much wind from you. Then rode a 2013 R1200GS, this had the newer generation motor and while it did seem zippier I kind of liked the other bike better. I guess I'm officially an "old fogey" now, I just don't like all the electronic junk on these bikes. Like replacing the super fancy BMW rear shock is a bit over $3000 (basically more than I paid for my Quota). And BMW owners then get happy when they find out about a $950 option for replacement. This is all to much $$$$ for me. And while I can appreciate the features, I just don't think it adds that much joy in riding and could be a real financial pain when it fails.
Found a few new Honda VFR1200X bikes. That was a very very close purchase for me. Super reliable, super smooth, shaft drive, not a bunch of electronic gizmos to go bad, would be brand new. Worse thing is it might be a bit to bland/boring.
Was kind of lining up to buy the Honda. But then the purpose of this trip was to see family on the East Coast, a wedding and a family reunion combo ... and with Covid19 concerns and restrictions, the wedding kept morphing and reducing ... and the idea of large number of people from across the US coming together for a reunion just started seeming like a bad idea. So we pushed the reunion part off to May/June 2021, and the wedding is going to be super tiny now. So trip canceled.
So then eBay reached out to let me know about a Stelvio ... 44,000 miles on it, which is much higher than what I'd like, but the price was super appealing. So I thought, what the heck, buy it, do some 2-4 day trips on it, and if I'm happy happy with it, that could be my bike for the cross country ride next year. And if for some reason I don't gel with the Stelvio I could sell it and get something else.
Thanks again to everyone for all your input/tips/hints/ideas.