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RIP Peter Green .
Dusty
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I was just listening to Bare Trees, an early Fleetwood Mac album. Green has his unmistakable guitar work throughout it.
RIP
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Oh man
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Didn’t care much for the group but loved Stevie Nicks ❤️
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Didn’t care much for the group but loved Stevie Nicks ❤️
Gah. Stevie Nicks ruined Fleetwood Mac. Two different bands before and after Green.
-AJ
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Didn’t care much for the group but loved Stevie Nicks ❤️
......other than Fleetwod Mac, that's a different band altogether. :shocked:
Oh Well
https://youtu.be/J0ag8DkipmQ
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Dusty are you implying, as I do, that Santana lifted his licks from Green?
-AJ
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Dusty are you implying, as I do, that Santana lifted his licks from Green?
-AJ
Green wrote BMW . Carlos stole his licks mostly from Cuban jazz players .
Dusty
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Everybody "steals" licks-Carlos has made it his own.
Agree that F Mac was better in original lineup.
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Green wrote BMW . Carlos stole his licks mostly from Cuban jazz players .
Dusty
Ahhh... The more you know! :thumb: :laugh:
-AJ
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Dusty are you implying, as I do, that Santana lifted his licks from Green?
-AJ
Green wrote it and "Peter Green's" Fleetwood Mac recorded it.
https://youtu.be/7eANGHVQS9Q
"Green was a major figure in the "second great epoch" of the British blues movement. B.B. King commented, "He has the sweetest tone I ever heard; he was the only one who gave me the cold sweats." "
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Everybody "steals" licks-Carlos has made it his own.
Agree that F Mac was better in original lineup.
That's true , everyone steals licks , Gatemouth Brown borrowed that finger picking style from an uncle he grew up with . Or that's the story he told in his live shows . SRV borrowed from everyone , including Buddy Holley who borrowed from Chuck Berry who borrowed from Western Swing players ...Terry Kath was about as original as anyone was , although he claims to have stolen from classical violinists, which seems a stretch , but hey , he was TK :laugh:
Dusty
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Back when I was growing up in Columbus there was a DJ on Sunday mornings, British guy, who had a show called Spot the Similarity. I think it was local not syndicated. He'd play a song and then walk it back three, four, maybe even five songs. Not covers or versions, but bits of a song. It might just be a similar beat, or a common five notes in a row, or the same rhythm but at different speed, same intro or outro, etc. Man I loved that show.
-AJ
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May he rest in peace.
Before Stevie Nicks and Lindsey Buckingham joined Fleetwood Mac, it was a Blues band. Afterward, it was a rock band.
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I still liked the group better after S Nicks. 😂😂😂
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I just finished reading the book "The man in Back", the story of Jimmie Capps who performed for decades on the Grand Ole Opry, also Larrys Country Diner etc. I'm definitely no musician. Couldn't carry a note in a bucket with a cover on it, but enjoyed his book and all the photos.
Tex
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Sad.. one of the greats. "Oh Well" is the song that made me want to learn guitar... And that was back in the day before I even know who it was.
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I just finished reading the book "The man in Back", the story of Jimmie Capps who performed for decades on the Grand Ole Opry, also Larrys Country Diner etc. I'm definitely no musician. Couldn't carry a note in a bucket with a cover on it, but enjoyed his book and all the photos.
Tex
Jimmy was a legend inside of the business , almost unknown outside of it . The music biz is full of those folks , studio musicians who are the real heart of music , but almost invisible to the outside world .
Dusty
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Ain't THAT the truth. So much happens that most have no clue about.
Sort of related-watch the documentary on MoTown and the session guys. I think it was called "Standing in the Shadows" or close to that.
For a more modern take, WORLD CLASS bass player Nathan East has a special on his career-look on Netflix, I believe.
We recorded our first record in Memphis with producer Jim Gains-a multi Grammy winner who produced In Step, among other great recordings.
The education and experience was beyond priceless. And you folks from the mid west have The Swampers-another fantastic story in the history of American recorded music. The more one looks the more reveals itself.
And Netflix had a wonderful special on Keith Richard a few years ago. I came away with a new appreciation after watching.
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Jimmy was a legend inside of the business , almost unknown outside of it . The music biz is full of those folks , studio musicians who are the real heart of music , but almost invisible to the outside world .
Dusty
I've remember hearing that the Nashville Session guys never got recognition until Dylan listed them on Nashville Skyline and Self Portrait.
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Ain't THAT the truth. So much happens that most have no clue about.
Sort of related-watch the documentary on MoTown and the session guys. I think it was called "Standing in the Shadows" or close to that.
For a more modern take, WORLD CLASS bass player Nathan East has a special on his career-look on Netflix, I believe.
We recorded our first record in Memphis with producer Jim Gains-a multi Grammy winner who produced In Step, among other great recordings.
The education and experience was beyond priceless. And you folks from the mid west have The Swampers-another fantastic story in the history of American recorded music. The more one looks the more reveals itself.
And Netflix had a wonderful special on Keith Richard a few years ago. I came away with a new appreciation after watching.
Yeah , although the Swampers were a Southern thing , Muscle Shoals Alabammy .
I've remember hearing that the Nashville Session guys never got recognition until Dylan listed them on Nashville Skyline and Self Portrait.
Bob revered those players , he understood them in a way that Nasville never could .
My brief foray into the music biz was with mostly older guys and girls , but there was this guitar player , Steve Chamberlain, he was a year younger and already incredibly talented at 16 . Haven't spoken to him in almost 50 years , but know that he played with Bill Davis, Stephen Stills , and some other luminaries , yet there is almost no mention of him anywhere . Just another Tulsa musician that shaped music in the 70's and never left town long enough to get famous . Davis told me years ago that Steve was the best player he ever worked with .
Dusty
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THX, I tend to run anything not the northeast together. Gotta stop that............... ...
And that David Hood............... ...........oh, my.
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THX, I tend to run anything not the northeast together. Gotta stop that............... ...
And that David Hood............... ...........oh, my.
Steve Winwood thought he was pretty good :grin:
Have been going down the rabbit hole of old videos , so many great players like Jesse Ed Davis and Hood that we are fortunate to have archived . Now if I could just find something more of the best Boz Scaggs and band era , that time before Boz forgot who he really was .
Dusty
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Along the line of not so well known in general but a giant inside the world of country music was Ray Pennington. He participated several years in an annual fund raiser headlined by Charlie Daniels for a center for developmentally disabled that I worked at. Had several meals with him and he bought me more than a few drinks.
Also a friend of ours and his parents is pedal steel player Brent Reznick that primarily plays for Kacey Musgrave and Kelsey Waldon but has done a lot of studio work for the who's who in country music and makes a good living at it but would not consider really wealthy. Great guy and family. There are a lot of those types out there.
GliderJohn
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That first (I think) Boz Scaggs and Band record that started with (again, if memory serves) Monkey Time was simply fabulous.
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That first (I think) Boz Scaggs and Band record that started with (again, if memory serves) Monkey Time was simply fabulous.
Memory says that was his third album . It was his best work , no idea why he never played any of those songs in concert with that band.
Dusty
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THx. That WAS a great band, no? A few years ago we booked him at ArtPark-it was a very good show. I can live without the "Lido" stuff but even that was done well enough.
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^^^Yeah , a great unit .
Dusty
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Yeah, I had to go back and give the early stuff a listen. I don't think I appreciated it enough when I was younger as we were just getting the new look Mac. I have to say Green's Albatross is a very pretty song. I just don't remember hearing it. It lead me to find Terry Kath and didn't give him the credit he deserves either. Listen to him shred this tune at the 3:00 minute mark. Sadly, he died tragically too young.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7uAUoz7jimg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7uAUoz7jimg)
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I saw Chicago in 1970. Right after the "Chicago" record (2nd one) came out. Got Cetera's autograph (print :sad:). I think either Pete or Terry got a $100 fine for saying "shit" on stage.
Our DA was a piece of work. :angry: Curtis P didn't fine Johnny Carson months later for the same.
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Yeah, I had to go back and give the early stuff a listen. I don't think I appreciated it enough when I was younger as we were just getting the new look Mac. I have to say Green's Albatross is a very pretty song. I just don't remember hearing it. It lead me to find Terry Kath and didn't give him the credit he deserves either. Listen to him shred this tune at the 3:00 minute mark. Sadly, he died tragically too young.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7uAUoz7jimg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7uAUoz7jimg)
Ahh , the Tanglewood concert . I listen to most of it about once a month . The jazz purists hated Chicago , and 3 chord R&R fans didn't quite get them . From '68 to about '74 they were breaking new ground , Guercio was a greedy SOB , but he could get sound from those seven players never heard before , or since .
Dusty
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I saw Chicago in 1970. Right after the "Chicago" record (2nd one) came out. Got Cetera's autograph (print :sad:). I think either Pete or Terry got a $100 fine for saying "shit" on stage.
Our DA was a piece of work. :angry: Curtis P didn't fine Johnny Carson months later for the same.
I was talkin' 'bout the state of the Union
Yeah , that happened in OKC , but he didn't say that word , he dropped the F bomb according to an interview . Hell , they couldn't play OKC for a few years after , although they played Tulsa a few times .
Dusty
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I like Chicago, but I do remember telling a friend that "That guitar player is wasted in that horn playin band." :grin: My fave Peter Green song is one they probably played between sets and beer breaks. To me it is an old school "biker" type song : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u26zwW7fwrY
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I like Chicago, but I do remember telling a friend that "That guitar player is wasted in that horn playin band." :grin: My fave Peter Green song is one they probably played between sets and beer breaks. To me it is an old school "biker" type song : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u26zwW7fwrY
TK had been playing with the horn section for several years before Chicago became a unit .
Dusty
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Hendrix is on record saying Kath was a big influence on him.
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Kath was an absolute MONSTER player
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I was talkin' 'bout the state of the Union
Yeah , that happened in OKC , but he didn't say that word , he dropped the F bomb according to an interview . Hell , they couldn't play OKC for a few years after , although they played Tulsa a few times .
Dusty
I never heard him say anything on stage. I read about it in the paper.
I saw Chicago a few years ago at the Zoo Amphitheater opening for Huey Lewis (or vice versa). The Chicago opening was the very same I remembered back in '71. I think the only remaining members were the three horns.