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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: Ncdan on July 30, 2020, 09:45:31 AM
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Well fellers I guess I’m back in good graces with the guzzi crowd as I just attentively bought this 2002 Stone. One owner 9500 miles, garage kept. I’m ashamed to divulge what I got it for.
Any pro or cons offered here with this model will be taken with a grain of salt And greatly appreciated.
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Nice bike!!! :thumb:
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Lookes good to me. Enjoy. :thumb:
GliderJohn
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Guess you will be showing it off this weekend?
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Lovely Guzzi...CONGRATS! Always like this Jackal in that color!! :thumb: :cool: :smiley:
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Well, that didn't take long!
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That is an example of the most bulletproof injected Guzzi series , good computer , good brakes even though it is a single disc front , no gaudy plastic chrome . Check the valve lash , give a service , put 100,000 miles on it :thumb:
Dusty
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Awesome set of bags and shield to go with, too
Nice grab
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That’s same year, model, and color Stone that was totaled when I was rear-ended years ago. It’s a great bike. Period!
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Well Dan, you can't come back if you never left... :grin:
Congrats on the bike! Orange creamsicle. :thumb:
John Henry
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That's simply wonderful.
Since I got my 2001 Jackal a few years ago I've been loving everything about it. You will, too.
I did have to completely rebuild/renew the charging system-no biggie.
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Love it! I also have a 02 stone.. Metal in my case with the chrome tank, and shiny black fenders. I love it. One of the best I feel, becouse I like the old school adjustable valves. As was said.. the good computer, the good brakes.. Seat sucks though on mine...
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I think all the '02 California models are the peak of standard Guzzi in the "modern" era.
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Right on! That is the exact same bike I have and no doubt you got it for stupid cheap like I did. I've heard people say that the "Flint Orange" is a rare color. The paint on mine was quite perished, so I resprayed it army green. No ragrets. :grin: I've got the same style Givi side cases on mine and recently added a Dart Marlin fly screen. I never thought I'd find myself riding a bike like this, but it has been "stone" reliable and tons of fun! Met some great people along the way as well.
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All pros for you, no cons!
One con for me ... I just can't do the feet-forward/hands-up/butt-down style of touring cruiser ... so that means more for everyone else!
This could be a go-forever bike, you never know. Hardly broken in yet.
Lannis
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Like I have always told people, those are the best sub $4000.00 bikes anywhere. DonG
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well Dan that didn't take long.....
congrats,
Mark
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Thanks for the responses guys and the encouraging assessments make me very confident I’ve made a good choice. If y’all remember I’d been looking for a MG of the more simple era after my bout with the TPS issue with the 1400. However I think I may would have preferred the hydro motor but really no big deal. I may need for one of you guys to walk me through the first valve adjustment, face time will help there.
I already sold the little Silverwing and made a couple hundred on it.
Life is good👍
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Congrats Dan. I had an '03 Hydro Stone. Fully sorted with FBF high comp pistons. It was a rocket. My stock seat was a one-piece torture rack though.
Only "con" on the '02 would be the black wrinkle paint on the engine block. It tended to bubble up and peel. Guzzi was giving owners a full set of bags as compensation for that.
Best of luck,
Cam
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Congrats Dan. I had an '03 Hydro Stone. Fully sorted with FBF high comp pistons. It was a rocket. My stock seat was a one-piece torture rack though.
Only "con" on the '02 would be the black wrinkle paint on the engine block. It tended to bubble up and peel. Guzzi was giving owners a full set of bags as compensation for that.
Best of luck,
Cam
You reckon they will still honor that bags thing after 18 years? Does anyone have that number so I can call the factory?😂😂😂
Is the seat a two piece seat?
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l had exactly the same bike, I repainted the Grey/purple bits black, it looked a lot better. If you keep up on the wrinkle paint with Black trim wax it stops the corrosion and keeps it all good.
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You reckon they will still honor that bags thing after 18 years? Goes anyone have that number so I can call the factory?😂😂😂
Is the seat a two piece seat?
I'd hazard a guess and say that's how the PO got those Givi's? Your seat might be 2 pieces.
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You've got the two-piece seat, Dan. I've heard of the wrinkle paint issue, but mine is looking good!
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Nice!
Disregard my pm now.....
inditx
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I'd hazard a guess and say that's how the PO got those Givi's? Your seat might be 2 pieces.
As I recall, you had your choice of 30 or 40L Hepco-Beckers, the factory bags at that time.
The seat is hour-long at best. Send it off to Jim at Ned's Cycle. Do not pass Go.
The low fuel sensor may be less than reliable. The trip odometer is your friend.
Start a money jar for a new speedo, as the trip odometer may eventually decide it doesn't want to be friends anymore.
Nice bike. That color looks way better in person.
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Hey Dan, nice catch. I have the same bike sitting in Florida, I like it..
The only problem I had was an input shaft bearing got noisy at about 30K.
Get some miles on that thing.
Stay Safe
Earl
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As I recall, you had your choice of 30 or 40L Hepco-Beckers, the factory bags at that time.
The seat is hour-long at best. Send it off to Jim at Ned's Cycle. Do not pass Go.
The low fuel sensor may be less than reliable. The trip odometer is your friend.
Start a money jar for a new speedo, as the trip odometer may eventually decide it doesn't want to be friends anymore.
Nice bike. That color looks way better in person.
Great assessment Mo! So the odometer is the cheesy One that was on my 04, it only lasted to 7K miles.
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Great assessment Mo! So the odometer is the cheesy One that was on my 04, it only lasted to 7K miles.
My stone has just over 10k on it and its starting to get flaky...
As for the valve adjustments.. it really cant be any less effort. If you have ever adjusted a valve on anything at all... it will come right too you. It was more work adjusting the valves on my lawnmower then it was on the bike.
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Great assessment Mo! So the odometer is the cheesy One that was on my 04, it only lasted to 7K miles.
The 04 had the ITI speedo which had their own issues.
Your 02 should have a Veglia. Mine ran to about 30k. With much effort, I disassembled it and lubed the trip odo tumblers and got another 12k out of it. Replaced it with a new Guzzi part. 20k so far, so good.
At no point did the speedo or odometer flake out, just the trip.
I should also mention that I've been through 2 or 3 speedo cables. It makes a fairly awkward turn coming out of the tranny.
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Ncdan, I'm sorry to be the one to have to point this out, but I think you got taken. That is the ugliest color combo ever, it has fake mufflers, and everyone knows those saddlebags will not keep a six-pack cold for more than a few minutes. You probably picked this up for $200-$300, and to help you out I'll take it off your hands for $500 just to make you feel better, and so you can brag you passed it on to a bigger fool. I can be there this afternoon. Let me know.
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All pros for you, no cons!
One con for me ... I just can't do the feet-forward/hands-up/butt-down style of touring cruiser ... so that means more for everyone else!
This could be a go-forever bike, you never know. Hardly broken in yet.
Lannis
The stones are not that bad. The lower stone handlebars are a welcome change to the normal Cali buckhorn/tiller bars. The stone pegs feel a little farther back then the other models boards also. The seat ill give you.... Mine is pretty bad, and a few inches taller, and about a inch farther back would be welcome.. I tend to like a more sporting ride also... and I was planning on finding a cali to mod.. But the stone I got was so damn clean, I cant see to change it!!!
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Burk, that was a fine offer Sir and I’ll keep this post in the event I need to hold you to it😂😂
I just finished the 50 miles home and my first though was, boy its nice to be back on a bike with a soul.
The bike is exactly how the PO said it was, he was an honest man. It needs a good cleaning and detailing which will start when it cools off, yea both the bike and the atmosphere🥵
So far the only things I’ve made note of that will need to be addressed are fairly simple...
-handle bars need pulling back a couple inches
-seat will need rebuilt to get the hump out.
Front tire is worn out, rear ok for the summer.
Need a set of crash bars, anyone who has a set feel free to shout out.
I did smell what smells like differential oil but unable to see a wet spot anywhere 🤔
All the paints are perfect and I’ll have to get use to the drab no shiny paint application.
The Givi bags and trunk are all but perfect, a few places to touch up will all but show perfection at 5 feet.
The after market mufflers really have a sweet tone and really not toooo loud however I may end up putting the factory ones back on as they are in 100% perfect condition.
PO said it had a full service at 7K miles and it’s at 9700 and two years so I’ll be calling harpers to order needed parts.
So there we go. Please send any advice, or suggestions; kind words welcomed. And there’s nothing that is said that
Thanks guys.
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Progress report. I got the loud mufflers off and stock back on, much better, for my liking anyway.Anyone wants them are welcome to them, just pay shipping. Got the windshield mounted back properly, for the most part anyway. These shields were made by national cycle and Harpers can’t get the rubber plug things that the shield and hardware were designed to use. I’ll try national cycle Monday and see if they can even still be obtained. I found some similar at a fastener place that worked in the top two holes and used another system for the bottom, it works just not matching.
Here’s some pictures.
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:thumb:
Dusty
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Wow, so clean. Brings back many memories. Hope you meant a ton of new ones with it.
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Congratulations Dan!
As mentioned, that model is Stone cold reliable.
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Anyone interested in swapping handlebars for a more buckhorn type, maybe like CalVin bars and I need some crash bars.
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Hey Dan That's a gorgeous looking bike, well bought! :thumb:
I predict many miles and smiles
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The rubber plugs you made reference to are called well nuts. They were also used on some attaching point on the modern LeMans fairing. In any case they might be easier to source than you realize.
If you google "well nuts" you will find all kinds of them, even metric threads.
ZZ
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What a gorgeous bike. Congrats. I've owned 4 different 1100 Cali versions and that orange is my favorite that I could never find for sale. Not many issues at all on these. Your stock tail turn signals WILL break off eventually and, as others have mentioned, your speedo will probably go out before you hit 20k. But all in all, relatively nothing for what you get. Though I kinda liked the hydros (‘03/‘04) just the very slightest bit better overall, I used to swear up and down that the '02 I owned was a little bit faster. :boozing:
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Anyone interested in swapping handlebars for a more buckhorn type, maybe like CalVin bars and I need some crash bars.
I gotta say I think you are the first person Ive heard that wants to swap off the Stone bars.. Most seem to want to swap them on. I bet you get some takers on that deal.
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The rubber plugs you made reference to are called well nuts. They were also used on some attaching point on the modern LeMans fairing. In any case they might be easier to source than you realize.
If you google "well nuts" you will find all kinds of them, even metric threads.
ZZ
Thanks JH, you da man👍👍
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I gotta say I think you are the first person Ive heard that wants to swap off the Stone bars.. Most seem to want to swap them on. I bet you get some takers on that deal.
I may would get use to them but it seems I’m having to lean forward to much as I like a complete upright ridding position, probably due to so many miles ridding as a motor officer. I pulled them back as much as practical but still reaching.
As far as the cans go a lot of folks would really like them. They are not all that loud as to be annoying to most folks but I’ve been there and done that and just prefer quite more these days.
The PO had taken the Givi bags off at dome point so I’ve got to remount them. He told me he had to do some mods on the mounting hardware to get them to work. Does Give not make mounting hardware specify for the Stone?
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I gotta say I think you are the first person Ive heard that wants to swap off the Stone bars.. Most seem to want to swap them on. I bet you get some takers on that deal.
I too wanted more pull back so I can’t recall what I did but it was either risers or bassa bars.
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The rubber plugs you made reference to are called well nuts. They were also used on some attaching point on the modern LeMans fairing. In any case they might be easier to source than you realize.
If you google "well nuts" you will find all kinds of them, even metric threads.
ZZ
I got some replacements from Amazon and some from Lowes. Now, I can't quite remember which worked best. Anyway, heres the Amazon ones:
https://smile.amazon.com/your-orders/pop/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_pop?_encoding=UTF8&gen=canonical&lineItemId=lgqisqqmnjqpony&orderId=113-9134968-7512234&packageId=1&returnSummaryId=&returnUnitIndices=&returnUnitMappingId=&shipmentId=Dxw6XZ70M
But probably go to your local hardware store and you can find some.
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:thumb:
I was gonna suggest risers because they are more easily changed back if desired.
where can I order Risers and what size etc
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Well I guess it was too good to be true, I could a chink in the ole gals armor. The smell of differential grease I’ve been smelling has surfaced. Last night I cleaned the underneath clean and road it a few miles to get it good and hot. I could smell the grease every time I stopped. When I got Home I took a light and took a look underneath and low and behold there it was. A small amount of oil/ grease had seeped out of the small rectangle shaped hole, just above the oil drain plug where the tranny boots to the block. Is it fair to assume I’ve got a leaking seal in the tranny?
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Well I guess it was too good to be true, I could a chink in the ole gals armor. The smell of differential grease I’ve been smelling has surfaced. Last night I cleaned the underneath clean and road it a few miles to get it good and hot. I could smell the grease every time I stopped. When I got Home I took a light and took a look underneath and low and behold there it was. A small amount of oil/ grease had seeped out of the small rectangle shaped hole, just above the oil drain plug where the tranny boots to the block. Is it fair to assume I’ve got a leaking seal in the tranny?
That's likely ... the upside is that you won't be "ashamed to divulge what" you got the bike for any more, after you've pulled that tranny ..... :shocked:
Lannis
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Never knew you left Dan! :grin:
Welcome back anyway. Nice looking ride.
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That's likely ... the upside is that you won't be "ashamed to divulge what" you got the bike for any more, after you've pulled that tranny ..... :shocked:
Lannis
I think I may have found the problem. At the advice of a couple of the guys here I started with the most simple possible cause, too much tranny grease. So I removed the plug,where the fluid runs out when its full, then stood the bike up. Fluid started pouring out, there was at least 3 -4 shot glasses ran out. What a stinking mess. I hope that was the problem.
2000 for the bike itself and 2250 with all the like new Givi deluxe touring bags and trunk.
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Never knew you left Dan! :grin:
Welcome back anyway. Nice looking ride.
I was just funning, if the only ride I had was a wheel chair or wheel barer I’d still hand out with you guys. I was just in between guzzis and was determined to wait for the right one to come along and I think that may have happened, hopefully 👍
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I think I may have found the problem. At the advice of a couple of the guys here I started with the most simple possible cause, too much tranny grease. So I removed the plug,where the fluid runs out when its full, then stood the bike up. Fluid started pouring out, there was at least 3 -4 shot glasses ran out. What a stinking mess. I hope that was the problem.
2000 for the bike itself and 2250 with all the like new Givi deluxe touring bags and trunk.
You must be living right ... Nothing is ever that easy!
Deal of the century, congratulations and enjoy the ride!
Lannis
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Lol Lannis, I do attempt to do things right however do fall short much of the time.
Does anyone have a set of these riser things they would swap for a set of pipes. The pipes are not obnoxiously loud, just a little louder baritone and only bark when pushed?