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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: Joeker80 on August 06, 2020, 06:00:21 PM
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Alright folks. I am looking to build a V7 style scrambler, but with a touch more off-road capability. Give me all your best ideas! Doesn’t have to be all Guzzi parts either. Here’s some thought to get you started:
1. Tonti frame with V7 tank and seat (I feel like this is the most “scramblerish” setup for the tonti frame.)
2. 1 big carb feeding both cylinders (to save weight and make things more simple)
3. The Stornello had about 5.1” travel up front and 4.4” travel in the rear (I would like to up this by at least 2” front and rear)
4. Do I need to lengthen the swingarm with that much additional travel?
5. 2 into 1 exhaust to help save weight
6. 17” rear and 19” front wheel to help broaden tire choices
7. Lighten absolutely everything possible
Alright, what else you got? All suggestions welcome. Thanks in advance.
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V85
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That takes all the fun out of it Inditx. Wouldn’t get the thrill of the build if I just went out and purchased a V85. Don’t get me wrong, I do like that motorcycle a lot. I think they did an awesome job on it.
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#2, good luck trying to fit that.
#3, you might reach the limit for the u joint at that angle.
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Fotoguzzi, I have seen plenty of cafe builds that have a single carb, so I’m relatively certain I can get that to work. As far as too much angle on the rearend, I was afraid of the same thing. The only build I’ve seen with that much travel (actually more) had the swing arm lengthened.
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I'll be watching for updates with pics I hope.
If your using a gen 1 Tonti frame there are longer swing arms from later frames you could try, might throw off the aesthetics tho.
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Tonti and 1000cc... I would just get a Quota and youre not really "saving weight" with that set up...
U-joint will be a problem with increased ground clearance. That's for sure.
Either way.... This is the best one I've ever seen. Propably still a fat pig is mud, but standing still it looks good.
(https://i.ibb.co/f1NydTX/Guzzi-Scrambler-SMc-Q-1.jpg) (https://ibb.co/dWpV4Hf)
With a small block, you can do more. Paris Dakar bikes were small blocks....
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+1 for the Quota. Bonus is you have something that will really work well and is a total hoot to ride.
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The styling on that is lovely.
The way the radius of the header bend blends with the cylinder fin diameter, love the rear guard.
So little plastic is good to see. It is reminiscent of the B50 BSA of yesteryear.
I really love it...
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(https://i.ibb.co/LZvjk5f/E0-C4-FE15-BB70-41-BA-B270-C0-E49-DF1-AB24.jpg) (https://ibb.co/LZvjk5f)
(https://i.ibb.co/YyJjjmm/3-A8-A3-DB0-FD54-48-FE-8-CBB-BA2546-B7-C976.jpg) (https://ibb.co/YyJjjmm)
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Here is a V7 Flat Tracker:
https://doc-jensen.de/moto-guzzi-flat-tracker/
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unless you're just looking at a styling exercise, I think using a 1970's tonti framed/motored bike for a scrambler with off-road pretensions is really not the best way to go. If you want a V7 style or V7 based scrambler why not start with a v7? You can pick up older single throttle body V7s for a very reasonable price and use that as the basis for your modifications. You also save about a hundred pounds in the process and have a bike that is more trackable off-road for trails and such.
but if you just want it to look like a scrambler then I guess it doesn't really matter.
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Are you starting with a small block or big block Tonti frame?
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That’s a nice looking bike Green1000S. I would be starting with a small block frame Fotoguzzi. I have thought about the Quota, just not sure it’s going to be easy to find.
(https://i.ibb.co/tbmzTWw/E6-BCD672-3-FF9-4362-8-D41-81930-E427-C2-A.jpg) (https://ibb.co/tbmzTWw)
I saw this one in a google search and really liked it. While it’s not necessary a Tonti frame, I would love to end up with something like this.
(https://i.ibb.co/pnMh4L3/1608-ED29-EA0-C-4-CA8-BF52-1-B20038321-A1.jpg) (https://ibb.co/pnMh4L3)
Also found this one, which reminds me of the one Green1000S posted.
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There's a quota for sale in the swap meet right now. https://wildguzzi.com/forum/index.php?topic=105527.0 (https://wildguzzi.com/forum/index.php?topic=105527.0)
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(https://i.imgur.com/qHCotZ1.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/Mghx25j.jpg)
Watch how capable the stock Stornello is in the hands of a skilled rider, get some dirt biased tires on a V7 and just get riding!
https://youtu.be/3aASocNIT8k
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I saw this one in a google search and really liked it. While it’s not necessary a Tonti frame, I would love to end up with something like this.
(https://i.ibb.co/pnMh4L3/1608-ED29-EA0-C-4-CA8-BF52-1-B20038321-A1.jpg) (https://ibb.co/pnMh4L3)
Lino Tonti designed the small-block Guzzi frame, so it actually is a "Tonti frame".
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(https://i.imgur.com/qHCotZ1.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/Mghx25j.jpg)
Watch how capable the stock Stornello is in the hands of a skilled rider, get some dirt biased tires on a V7 and just get riding!
https://youtu.be/3aASocNIT8k
I like the Aluminum starter cover, where is it sourced from?
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https://www.baakmotocyclettes.com/en/14-moto-guzzi
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Been working on my own scrambler looking thing. Not the most current picture but you get the idea. Have since installed MIVV mufflers and higher rise tapered handlebars.
(https://i.ibb.co/7ySmsBV/20200519-134939.jpg) (https://ibb.co/7ySmsBV)
(https://i.ibb.co/PFLxDGD/20200629-062311.jpg) (https://ibb.co/PFLxDGD)
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I’m considering bumping up to 19” as well, curious if anyone has done it to their V7s, and if so, what their response to street handling would be.
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I’m considering bumping up to 19” as well, curious if anyone has done it to their V7s, and if so, what their response to street handling would be.
I suspect it would slow the steering a touch but increasing rake and trail. Larger wheel may require different fender to match the larger radius. Doubt it would cause any clearance issues and would certainly open up options on tire selection.
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That does look nice Drawnverybadly. Was it hard to move the front fender up?
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Tonti and 1000cc... I would just get a Quota and youre not really "saving weight" with that set up...
U-joint will be a problem with increased ground clearance. That's for sure.
Either way.... This is the best one I've ever seen. Propably still a fat pig is mud, but standing still it looks good.
(https://i.ibb.co/f1NydTX/Guzzi-Scrambler-SMc-Q-1.jpg) (https://ibb.co/dWpV4Hf)
With a small block, you can do more. Paris Dakar bikes were small blocks....
I agree, starting with a Quota would be the way to go if you could find a nice one. Then just change the tank, seat and other body parts. The suspension would already be done.
I really like the looks of this bike, the others in this thread look good too, but this older look appeals to me. A V7 tank painted the same with maybe the chrome look on the lower tank bumps would probably look close to this.
A V7 or better yet V9 with this look would be a great new model and Stornello replacement!
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You are not going to be able to do a simple dodywork swap on a quota. They have their own unique frame.
That said, I've taken mine through the open desert at speed.
Downside is 600 lbs of quota is NOT light!