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Title: I hate when this happens
Post by: LowRyter on August 19, 2020, 05:37:33 PM

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Came over a rise, saw a small pot hole, felt a small bump and then a roar of exhaust.  I have no idea about fixing it.  I considered getting a floor jack and moving it back into place and then I saw the whole rear unit was bent out of place and the bracket broken. 
Title: Re: I hate when this happens
Post by: oldbike54 on August 19, 2020, 05:42:09 PM
 Ducati Supersports aren't very good woods bikes  :shocked:

 Surely your guy in OKC can sort that .

 Dusty
Title: Re: I hate when this happens
Post by: LowRyter on August 19, 2020, 05:48:24 PM
I hope so.  I thought I could get into place with a flour jack.  Then I saw the broken bracket, hopefully that's a stocked part.  Or maybe Don can fab something. 

Funny, I barely felt anything.  I think a chunk of pavement broke loose when I hit the small pot hole.
Title: Re: I hate when this happens
Post by: lucky phil on August 19, 2020, 06:14:44 PM

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Came over a rise, saw a small pot hole, felt a small bump and then a roar of exhaust.  I have no idea about fixing it.  I considered getting a floor jack and moving it back into place and then I saw the whole rear unit was bent out of place and the bracket broken.
What the hell has caused the massive distortion/dent in the cover on the side of the collector? surely not hitting the bottom of the collector on the road due to a pothole.Looks to me like impact damage to the collector/cat cover like you hit something large on the road, not a pothole. Anyway,how to fix? remove the muffler and collector assy and buy a new bracket and refit or try to refit and see what it's like. I'd also remove the belly pan and loosen off the header mounts and also inspect that area as well for damage, same with the rear header. Should be ok but after a hit like this the whole system may need to be loosened off and reassembled. At the very least checked for damage that's not so obvious. Don't just try and jack it into place. You'll also need to check the lambda wiring as well as it looks like it's been yanked off its clips.Oh and you'll need a new collector cover as well.

Ciao
Title: Re: I hate when this happens
Post by: Pizza Guzzi on August 19, 2020, 06:49:05 PM
Annoying to be sure but most importantly you stayed upright 👍
Title: Re: I hate when this happens
Post by: leroysch on August 19, 2020, 07:52:13 PM
If you wind up getting unsatisfactory parts availability locally, check out ducatiomaha.com. I 'm getting a thermostat and coolant thermistor for my '95 Duck in <2 weeks with free shipping. The email trail once I placed the order stated the parts were shipping from Italy..which if true...is pretty amazing, especially since I had waited 5 weeks to get a BMW part from the Netherlands recently.

Get that thing back on the road!
Title: Re: I hate when this happens
Post by: LowRyter on August 19, 2020, 09:32:46 PM
Annoying to be sure but most importantly you stayed upright 👍

I saw a little pot hole.  It felt like a little pot hole.   Just a bump in the road.  Not worth making evasive action at 75 mph and it didn't feel like more than a small bump when I hit it.  Oh well.  The rear header in probably bent.  Perhaps it can be rearranged. 
Title: Re: I hate when this happens
Post by: LowRyter on August 19, 2020, 09:43:49 PM
If you wind up getting unsatisfactory parts availability locally, check out ducatiomaha.com. I 'm getting a thermostat and coolant thermistor for my '95 Duck in <2 weeks with free shipping. The email trail once I placed the order stated the parts were shipping from Italy..which if true...is pretty amazing, especially since I had waited 5 weeks to get a BMW part from the Netherlands recently.

Get that thing back on the road!

The bracket is $12 (looks like only one of two needed).   The flapper valve cover is $45.  That flapper valve cable has always been droopy, I never thought about it needing clips.

I have no idea if parts are available or back ordered.
Title: Re: I hate when this happens
Post by: lucky phil on August 19, 2020, 09:56:09 PM
I saw a little pot hole.  It felt like a little pot hole.   Just a bump in the road.  Not worth making evasive action at 75 mph and it didn't feel like more than a small bump when I hit it.  Oh well.  The rear header in probably bent.  Perhaps it can be rearranged.
Although it doesn't really matter but looking at the damage and location to the side collector/cat cover I'm beginning to think that this damage was done before you took it on that ride and the small pot hole you hit just shook it totally off the front pipe. Had you left it parked somewhere public before your ride? Or navigated your way in a tight parking lot with wheel bollards or such. Its always nice to know exactly how something has happened so you can asses the forces involved and possible need to look for other damage.
Not trying to worry you or anything but I've seen plenty of exhaust system damage over the years from pot holes etc but nothing quite this bad. I've seen an 851 break its rear engine mount on the crankcase when the centre pipe hit the road on a massive pothole and it dented the pipe but didn't have this sort of result.   

Ciao
Title: Re: I hate when this happens
Post by: rschrum on August 19, 2020, 10:02:10 PM
+1 Ducati Omaha, good folks!
Title: Re: I hate when this happens
Post by: LowRyter on August 19, 2020, 10:07:17 PM
Although it doesn't really matter but looking at the damage and location to the side collector/cat cover I'm beginning to think that this damage was done before you took it on that ride and the small pot hole you hit just shook it totally off the front pipe. Had you left it parked somewhere public before your ride?

Ciao

No.  Don't think so.  it was a great day to ride and I just went to the same shop that I usually deal with.  The local Guzzi shop.  I was setting up a time to get the maintenance minder reset on the dashboard on the Duc.  Then I was heading out to ride around the local lake and see if any riders were hanging out.  I think there was a rock or broken pavement in the pot hole.  Perhaps I thought it wasn't a pot hole but it was a rock? I dunno.  Just a small bump and the bike began to roar.

I was shocked to see the damage.  Our roads here are awful.  You get a feel on when to dodge a hole or drive through it.  There was no hard jolt.  No big deal, then RRRRRRRRRRRRR.

Believe me, since everything is attached to the engine, it's crossed my mind that I might have broken something to total the bike.  I hope not but I have $1000 deductible on it.
Title: Re: I hate when this happens
Post by: Motormike on August 20, 2020, 04:57:21 PM
But I bet it sounded great!  Just think, a lot of Ducati riders pay big money on full race systems to get that sound!
Title: Re: I hate when this happens
Post by: tazio on August 20, 2020, 05:15:42 PM
Not implying bike wasn't set up correct for your weight, though I wonder if a severely  backed-off pre-load may had contributed (or broke linkage)?
Just thinking out loud.
Title: Re: I hate when this happens
Post by: GeorgiaGuzzi on August 20, 2020, 05:49:38 PM
I tend to agree that it was previously damaged and the pothole just jarred it loose. A co worker hit a pothole here in Atlanta in a company truck that had been previously repaired. The pothole knocked the bumper halfway off the truck!
Title: Re: I hate when this happens
Post by: LowRyter on August 20, 2020, 05:55:38 PM
But I bet it sounded great!  Just think, a lot of Ducati riders pay big money on full race systems to get that sound!

It sounded cool for about the first 3 minutes.  After that, not so much.  Even with ear plugs and helmet.  And to be honest, the high revving little 937 engine just doesn't have the "kick you in the gut" like my V11 Sport with Mistrals.   I much prefer my Duc with the stock exhaust IN TACT, it spits and rumbles but at much better level with the muffler.

I just learned that the tupperware was also broken the attachment.  That's a $500+ piece of plastic.  I'll take it to my body guy and see what he says.  He did a good job on all the fragile green plastic on the Sport.
Title: Re: I hate when this happens
Post by: LowRyter on August 20, 2020, 06:06:31 PM
I tend to agree that it was previously damaged and the pothole just jarred it loose. A co worker hit a pothole here in Atlanta in a company truck that had been previously repaired. The pothole knocked the bumper halfway off the truck!

I didn't hit anything prior to that to indicate that there could be earlier damage.  I usually do a once over on the bike every time I ride.  I put it on the rear stand and check the chain and clean the bottom parts and wheels.  I recently polished the smashed muffler cover and have taken it apart to clean the flapper valve.  So I don't believe for a second that there was previous damage.

Funny thing.  I was ordering the brackets and sundries from the local dealer.  As soon as I said what had happened, the guy on the phone said, "I know exactly the pothole you're talking about.  They fill it up all the time." 

Having said all that.  I am just amazed the bike just glided over it when I see the damage. 
Title: Re: I hate when this happens
Post by: LowRyter on August 22, 2020, 08:45:59 AM
+1 Ducati Omaha, good folks!

Contacted them.  Appreciably all parts are shipped from Italy.  It takes a week to get them here.  At least that's what Omaha and my local shop told me.  So I've ordered a $125 worth of fasteners and it should be here next week.  I hope to get the fairing repaired by my body guy that's done some plastic repair on my Sport.
Title: Re: I hate when this happens
Post by: LowRyter on August 29, 2020, 02:05:06 PM
I got his in the mail today.  It's a $1500 Ducati muffler.  Luckily, many riders toss them and put on aftermarket pipes and reflash, so for $1500 those guys get another 4HP. 

So from Ebay, $72 w/shipping ($40) and tax.  <Guzzi Content>


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Title: Re: I hate when this happens
Post by: Chuck in Indiana on August 29, 2020, 02:27:01 PM
He shoots! And he scores!!  :grin:
Title: Re: I hate when this happens
Post by: lucky phil on August 29, 2020, 08:59:21 PM
I got his in the mail today.  It's a $1500 Ducati muffler.  Luckily, many riders toss them and put on aftermarket pipes and reflash, so for $1500 those guys get another 4HP. 

So from Ebay, $72 w/shipping ($40) and tax.  <Guzzi Content>


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Good deal. It does make you wonder how stupid people actually are. The OEM muffler is worth about nothing so why sell it after upgrading to a sports system. I never sell the standard exhaust, so if I ever need to sell the bike unless the buyer wants to do me a deal on the aftermarket system it gets sold separately. I'm not going to give away a $3500 full titanium exhaust for instance just so I can get maybe $120 for the original system.

Ciao
Title: Re: I hate when this happens
Post by: LowRyter on September 04, 2020, 02:19:46 PM
Unfortunately the front header pipe is cracked.  Couldn't be welded.  Ordering another take off piece from Ebay.  Another $140 from the Denver Aprilia shop.
Title: Re: I hate when this happens
Post by: bad Chad on September 04, 2020, 03:53:40 PM
When your fu%*&@#$, I mean dating a high priced Italian beauty you have to expect these sort of things.  So nice to be able to get back on track so cheap!
Title: Re: I hate when this happens
Post by: LowRyter on September 19, 2020, 02:15:47 PM
Some good news.  This one is back in service. 
Title: Re: I hate when this happens
Post by: GeorgiaGuzzi on September 19, 2020, 02:51:25 PM
Some good news.  This one is back in service.

When you’ve been dealing with issues on your bikes like you have, that’s not good news, it’s MOST EXCELLENT news dude!!!
Title: Re: I hate when this happens
Post by: lucky phil on September 19, 2020, 06:00:09 PM
Some good news.  This one is back in service.
Very good :thumb:

Ciao
Title: Re: I hate when this happens
Post by: LowRyter on September 20, 2020, 01:25:12 PM
Thanks.