Wildguzzi.com
General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: DaSwami on August 23, 2020, 11:08:58 AM
-
...has landed on my doorstep! All I have ever owned are the V7 series (Have two V7III's in the stable). Bought sight unseen from Reina International in Milwaukee. Figured it was my only chance to ever own a new one even though I need a new motorcycle like I need a ....you get the picture.
First impressions - this thing is a beast! Idles like a raging bull ready to rumble. Also is a much "busier" bike than the V7III, more bodywork, more "stuff" on it.
The seat to peg distance is 16" which is the tightest spacing I have ever ridden on. On a short ride around the neighborhood I did not have a problem with the ergos, the bars are just about right on.
First question, of many. How do you get the stickers off of the PLASTIC tank? I've always used a heat gun on the metal tanks. WD40?
Thanks!
-
Congrats!! :thumb:
How do you get the stickers off of the PLASTIC tank?
Carefully. :evil: :smiley:
-
Thinking back 8 years, I think I used GooGone and broke a fingernail or two in the process. Please, anyone, if I am not remembering correctly, please correct!
Bob
PS - congrats on the bike! And if you find you need just a slight bit more seat to peg distance, try a set of footpegs with multiple adjustments. I used them on the 2008 1200 Sport and 2012 Griso.
(https://i.ibb.co/xmLSWVz/Adjustable-footpeg-on-Griso.jpg) (https://ibb.co/xmLSWVz)
-
Credit card and WD40 worked on my new Special. Go slowly. Sray with the WD40, carefully pry up an edge with the credit card. You should be able to peel it off slowly while addind WD as you go. Helps to park the bikein the sun for a bit first.
kk
-
Congratulations on the Griso! An amazing machine!
I agree with WD 40 and careful credit card use. My person preference is to warm the sticker carefully with a heat gun until you can get a corner up with your fingernail. Then using a forceps or small needle nose pull on the corner while heating the sticker. Trying your best to direct the heat gun on the sticker only and only just enough heat to keep it peeling off.
Either method has it's risks.
When you are ready a Beetle map along with the Mistral High Pipe (dbk in) transforms the motor into a turbine like tower of power. Very exhilarating!
(https://i.postimg.cc/KjbZc0GP/IMG_7155.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/YGXcbfm0)
-
Unfortunately I am an habitual nail biter so I don't have fingernails to speak off. But thats another story..
-
Congrats on your great new bike!
Stickers: I hate them! Why are they there? My new BMW R1200RT (now gone) did not have stickers all over it...
On all three of my Norges, I have done as others have said: Carefully heat the sticker with a hairdryer and use WD40 and a fingernail or credit card to remove it, patiently lifting one corner and then working your way across as the sticker lifts. when it is removed, use more WD40 or Goo Be Gone to clean up the glue residue.
Be very careful with the plastic parts. I chipped the paint on the tank on Norge number three with my fingernail. The paint got too soft from the hair dryer...
-
Congrats on the new bike, very nice! :thumb:
I've read about it, but I've never done the WD40 thing with the stickers, but for a good substitute for a plastic credit card, I like some of the really big bread or vegetable plastic bag closure tabs, thingamajigs,,,,watchyamacallits,,.
I can see a little heat and being real careful on the pulling angle that works best; may help you get the adhesive AND the sticker all in one go.
Good luck and many safe miles on your new ride
Kelly
-
Took me an hour to get the three off my Calvin. I used a heat gun. Just to warm it up only!
Then WD-40 and a plastic paint scraper alone with thumbnail.
-
Congratulations, you lucky - - - -
It's a wonderful motor, right? :grin: :evil:
What colour?
-
Congratulations - most definitely a different animal than the V7 - what you lose in the tight twisties you'll gain in exhilaration. After those proxy stickers, do re-grease the swingarm bearings first thing - the factory had a practice of no doing so. GRiSO specific Support, encouragement, advice, and more is available from those who've gone before on the grisoghetto.com.
-
Thanks folks! Same color as Mr. Swanson's.....tried to buy the silver at Hamlin Cycle but it got bought out from under me cuz I waited a day too late.
I will try your suggestions on the stickers.
Adding a DART flyscreen.
Next question, is it good to remove the evap canister? Did wonders for the V7III....but this setup looks more complicated with the dual throttle bodies.
-
Congratulations - most definitely a different animal than the V7 - what you lose in the tight twisties you'll gain in exhilaration. After those proxy stickers, do re-grease the swingarm bearings first thing - the factory had a practice of no doing so. GRiSO specific Support, encouragement, advice, and more is available from those who've gone before on the grisoghetto.com.
Thanks Malik! I will join up over at the ghetto...do you have a tutorial on the swingarm bearings? I will have to look, is there a zerk fitting handy?
-
A zerk fitting handy? :grin:
Bob
-
A zerk fitting handy? :grin:
Bob
Haha, yes, on the bike that is...like my TW200
-
As Jeff mentioned be careful with the paint. My Norge tank lost paint when I removed a sticker and I was being SUPER careful. The paint is SOOOOOOOOOO soft.
In fact, Hamlin wouldn't remove them for me prior to delivery as the Norge paint is so soft he didn't want to risk it. Experience talking there, and he was very clear with me to go slow, and I STILL messed it up a bit. Nothing one of my super duper 3D decals couldn't fix, mind.
-
Leave the heat gun in the toolbox and park it in the sun for a bit. My Audace had two big white stickers in plain view on the back fender. One was the emissions sticker. Probably not to be removed but I wasn't leaving it on. May be a problem for the next owner but if it stays in state shouldn't be an issue.
kk
-
Well. I will take an "extended" break-in ride this weekend, but I'm not sure I am melding with the Griso beast....it is **totally** different from the V7 series...it's possible I will have America's lowest mileage 2017 Griso for sale soon!!
Ciao,
DS
-
Well. I will take an "extended" break-in ride this weekend, but I'm not sure I am melding with the Griso beast....it is **totally** different from the V7 series...it's possible I will have America's lowest mileage 2017 Griso for sale soon!!
Ciao,
DS
The Grease O is an updated version of the Centauro. They are "different." It took me 5000 miles including a 2000 mile trip to fully Get It. Maybe this extended ride will do it.
-
Well. I will take an "extended" break-in ride this weekend, but I'm not sure I am melding with the Griso beast....it is **totally** different from the V7 series...it's possible I will have America's lowest mileage 2017 Griso for sale soon!!
Ciao,
DS
I agree with Chuck, do not make any hasty decisions!!
For many the Griso is not a head over heels intense love from the beginning (except for the styling). But more of a love that grows over time and with familiarity gained by a few thousand miles.
I have owned mine for 1 year plus and I continue to appreciate it more and more as time and the miles go by.
-
100%...as another member of the Red/Black Griso club...I can definitely tell you as many of us have experienced that getting used to the Griso is a slow burn, takes a while to appreciate it and it feels odd at first. Definitely not something to rush. You're going to find moments of exhilaration...and many moments of just "it feels weird". Key is to definitely get your ergos set right, especially foot pegs if you need a bit more space to feel uncramped, and a good windscreen so that riding at highway speeds doesn't feel uncomfortable.
But let me tell you...once you find the heart of the Griso, it's addictive just like the other Guzzis...and especially above 4k, it just sings and smooths out beautifully.
Keep riding it for a few thousand miles before giving up would be my suggestion...by then you either definitely know it's not for you or you have fallen in love with it.
-
Appreciate all the advice, fellas, I really do. But I truly enjoy my V7III's more and the Griso is up for sale with only 166 miles on it. I hope someone here buys her.
https://pensacola.craigslist.org/mcy/d/navarre-2017-moto-guzzi-griso-1200se/7217797221.html
Thanks!!!
-
If it hasn't already been mentioned, be sure to join the Grizo Ghetto for tons of valuable info. They really helped me sort my 2012 SE.
https://www.grisoghetto.com/ (https://www.grisoghetto.com/)
Sold my SE for a V7 - the ergo's and weight were a bit too much for me but I do miss it.
(https://i.ibb.co/nmKTRRp/20190316-054845.jpg) (https://ibb.co/nmKTRRp)
-
Is a V7 that much more comfortable than a Griso...it would seem to be just as cramped for a 6'4" person, maybe a bit more upright, but just hypothesizing.
-
Im sorry the griso did not work out for you, Mr. Swami. Its a beautiful beast that does take a while to grow on you. I also have a 2017 Diavolo Nero and love it, but it does scare the heck out of me , from time to time. Its power really does come on very strong. I got my first speeding ticket in over 20 years on the Griso, a couple of weeks ago. I was clocked at 96 mph in a 65. There is just something about a griso, that brings out the "hooligan" in me. :grin:
Rick.
-
Appreciate all the advice, fellas, I really do. But I truly enjoy my V7III's more and the Griso is up for sale with only 166 miles on it. I hope someone here buys her.
https://pensacola.craigslist.org/mcy/d/navarre-2017-moto-guzzi-griso-1200se/7217797221.html
Thanks!!!
???!!!
Maybe the second half of the first tank of fuel will seal the deal for you..
-
???!!!
Maybe the second half of the first tank of fuel will seal the deal for you..
i knew a women like that .. Please someone buy this motorcycle its much better than any V7 ever thought about being .
Probably the last of the best of what Guzzi should be building ...
-
It’s not necessarily a commentary on Swami’s situation specifically, but I cannot understand how you can like a bike enough after a test ride..(I presume), then hate it enough to sell after half a tank of fuel...
-
Well to be fair, 160 Miles is a full tank of gas for a Griso!
If I didn’t already have this exact bike I’d jump on this offer...
-
Unfortunately I am an habitual nail biter so I don't have fingernails to speak off. But thats another story..
Get a small Swiss Army Knife with the nail scissors and file. I was nail biter and I discovered that when my nails felt too long I wanted to bite them off. At times my Dad would yell and me and even slapped me once. He had the same tick. When I got the knife as an adult, I was able to satisfy that feeling and able to groom my nails right. It wasn't a need to bite them, only to groom them when they "felt" too long.
This is a serious recommendation for all of us with that compulsion. I know I'm not alone.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
To the OP with Griso, nice bike. It's a quicker revver but perhaps a slower turner than my V11 Sport. Upgrade the tires as soon as the handling goes off. Upgrade the tires ASAP. I didn't catch how you report this as the last one.
But selling it?
-
They do take a bit of getting used to. Quite wide in the bars and seat and probable 25kg's heavier. You should try swapping like I do from a LeMans to a Griso. With the LeMans I feel like I have my elbows tucked in under my armpits and knees up under my chin. Pitty you didn't give it more of a go. Anyway good luck with the sale.
-
The Last New 2017 Griso in the USA deserves at least 10 tankfuls of gas before you throw in the towel. I have a pretty good idea it will grow on you.
-
I don't hate the bike, and it's been a full tank of gas!
The pegs are too high and too far back. My knees and hips don't like it. The bars are quite burly and they are just fine for me. My most comfy bikes are my Triumph Scram and DR650. The V7III, with a reworked seat, has 3" more seat to peg distance and the pegs are located several inches forward compared with the Griso. Much, much better. The size/weight of the bike does not bother me, it's just not a good fit. 10 tanks of fuel means more miles and more depreciation. I already know what the end result will be, so I'm leaving the unridden miles for the next owner. It will end up being a very expensive test ride, but that is the breaks when you don't have one within 900 miles of you!
-
Congrats!
The Griso is a special bike, and you will love it. I completely understand the 'tight pegs' but DONT give up on it for that, is too easy to adress. Some Knight lowering pegs work perfectly depending on what you need. I needed 2" drop, and is now PERFECT. There are other options as well obviously. Few motorcycles are as engaging and addicting as the Griso, and of all the bikes I have owned and enjoyed I have connected with very few the way I have the Griso.
Also, be sure to take the time to head over to Griso Ghetto (if you havent yet) and to also set up the suspension properly. A Griso can be a pig if not set up right or running proper tire pressures. Set up properly, it is a wonder..... NO way you can compare it to the relatively sedate V7 which as much as I like, is completely unrewarding when riding fast, in aggressive turns and riding. The V7 is a 'plug along' fun to ride slow. The Griso is so much more capable, comfortable, fast, and satisfying.
As for the stickers, the tried and true soak with WD40 and scrape/pull slowly with fingernail will work, but takes time. I find the older and harder they are the longer it takes. One thing I do is spray WD40 on a rag or paper towel and wipe it on the sticker liberally 2-3X a day for a couple days to soften the sticker, and wipe the excess off the paint. Then use my wifes blow dryer :thewife: to go over the sticker to warm it.
-
Congrats!
The Griso is a special bike, and you will love it. Some Knight lowering pegs work perfectly depending on what you need. I needed 2" drop. There are other options as well obviously. Few motorcycles are as engaging and addicting as the Griso, and of all the bikes I have owned and enjoyed I have connected with very few the way I have the Griso.
Be sure to take the time to head over to Griso Ghetto (if you havent yet) and to also set up the suspension properly. A Griso can be a pig if not set up right or running proper tire pressures.
As for the stickers, the tried and true soak with WD40 and scrape/pull slowly with fingernail will work, but takes time. I find the older and harder they are the longer it takes. One thing I do is spray WD40 on a rag or paper towel and wipe it on the sticker liberally 2-3X a day for a couple days to soften the sticker, and wipe the excess off the paint. Then use my wifes blow dryer :thewife: to go over the sticker to warm it.
Those pain meds are throwing you for a wallop... :boozing:
-
Thanks folks! Same color as Mr. Swanson's.....tried to buy the silver at Hamlin Cycle but it got bought out from under me cuz I waited a day too late.
I will try your suggestions on the stickers.
Adding a DART flyscreen.
Next question, is it good to remove the evap canister? Did wonders for the V7III....but this setup looks more complicated with the dual throttle bodies.
You can eliminate the system.
Several options from complete removal, and either blocking off the vacuum bleeds, or connect them with a vacuum line.
I removed the full system on my Norge and 1200S to good effect with a better balanced idle. Connecting works much the same as an exhaust cross over on the intake side.
On my Griso, MI had already 'eliminated' the system before I bought it by shoving a ball bearing in the vacuum line to each TB, then running a drill bit through the check valve in the system. This is the easiest way IMO, and leaves it in place in case you live in a state that will check to see if it is present. The main reason I removed the system completely from the Norge/1200S was to gain more 'storage space' under the seat.
I haven't removed the system from my V7ii as my check valve seems to be working properly, and there is no whale song while parked after riding or any pressure build up in the tank.
The 'value' of leaving the components in place, but blocking the vacuum lines to the TB and running a drill bit through the check valve keeps the charcoal canister in place effectively keeping the emissions and fumes filtered rather than just venting to atmosphere.
-
Those pain meds are throwing you for a wallop... :boozing:
Indeed.......... :cool: Wait a minute.... WHAT? lol
-
"The Last New 2017 Griso in the USA"
They give you a plaque or something ?
Might help offset the depreciation hit. :boozing:
Seriously, the GRiSO ain't for everyone, even after making it fit YOU.
Mines been a sweet experience these past 30k miles, though I do like those
Triumph Scramblers!
Good luck in whatever you end up doing with it :thumb:
-
I've got 9k + travel expenses burning a hole in my savings account, thank goodness this thing is a 20hr round trip away! Getting harder and harder to resist these GRiSo's! But I've just gotten my Breva in the home stretch of perfection!
-
I had the same ergonomic complaints with my Griso, all easy to fix. I am using a Corbin seat made 1 inch taller than stock and dropped pegs 1 inch lower than stock. Adding two inches between the seat and pegs made the bike comfortable for 500 mile days.
(https://i.ibb.co/10rFCz1/Guzzi-Mt-Lemmon-zpseuwikryr.jpg) (https://ibb.co/10rFCz1)
-
thank goodness this thing is a 20hr round trip away!
Why is the 10 hr distance between you and the bike, a consideration ?
-
Why is the 10 hr distance between you and the bike, a consideration ?
Because thats two full days driving? and hauling an empty trailer all the way there... Traveling into a - land hotspot (FLA Panhandle). So I would have to take at least one day off work on short notice and that's highly inconvenient. I hate driving anyway, so even a 10hr drive plus a hotel for the night and 10hrs back over the weekend without taking a day off work sounds terrible. Esp since I get up at 4am on weekday mornings. And a '10hr drive' is really a 11-12hr drive since you'd need to stop for gas several times, eat, etc when covering that distance. Not to mention the time it takes to make the transaction, deal with the title, load up, etc....
So it sounds like to me I would get up at 3am on a saturday, leave by 4am and drive 11hrs, barely make it in time to get somewhere that's open and notarizes titles on a Saturday, load the bike, get food, check into a hotel, boredly watch TV until I can sleep, get up sunday at 5am and drive home, arrive around 6pm, unload the bike, resist the urge to take it for a ride, then get ready for bed at 8pm so I can get up 4am on monday and go to work. On what planet would that not be a consideration???
I like the bike and fantasize about a new MG, or any griso in general. I dont need a new bike. I dont need to spend the money.... If it was convenient and closer, I would have a much tougher time saying no. But since it would be highly inconvenient to make the trip, it's a lot easier to resist.
-
The money thing is a reasonable comment.
I guess I couldn’t understand what you meant when I recounted leaving here and driving up to Roper’s place (8 hrs) to collect my CT110 Honda, having a coffee, then driving back..
As for the trailer thing..
How about getting a bus, train, plane, or something and riding it home ? Sounds like a fun venture to me... :thumb:
-
Because thats two full days driving? and hauling an empty trailer all the way there... Traveling into a - land hotspot (FLA Panhandle). So I would have to take at least one day off work on short notice and that's highly inconvenient. I hate driving anyway, so even a 10hr drive plus a hotel for the night and 10hrs back over the weekend without taking a day off work sounds terrible. Esp since I get up at 4am on weekday mornings. And a '10hr drive' is really a 11-12hr drive since you'd need to stop for gas several times, eat, etc when covering that distance. Not to mention the time it takes to make the transaction, deal with the title, load up, etc....
So it sounds like to me I would get up at 3am on a saturday, leave by 4am and drive 11hrs, barely make it in time to get somewhere that's open and notarizes titles on a Saturday, load the bike, get food, check into a hotel, boredly watch TV until I can sleep, get up sunday at 5am and drive home, arrive around 6pm, unload the bike, resist the urge to take it for a ride, then get ready for bed at 8pm so I can get up 4am on monday and go to work. On what planet would that not be a consideration???
I like the bike and fantasize about a new MG, or any griso in general. I dont need a new bike. I dont need to spend the money.... If it was convenient and closer, I would have a much tougher time saying no. But since it would be highly inconvenient to make the trip, it's a lot easier to resist.
All weak excuses............ .. :bike-037: :evil: :popcorn:
-
All weak excuses............ .. :bike-037: :evil: :popcorn:
Yep..
Just bloody do it..!
-
The money thing is a reasonable comment.
I guess I couldn’t understand what you meant when I recounted leaving here and driving up to Roper’s place (8 hrs) to collect my CT110 Honda, having a coffee, then driving back..
As for the trailer thing..
How about getting a bus, train, plane, or something and riding it home ? Sounds like a fun venture to me... :thumb:
I bought my 1200 Sport from Ohiorider, bought a $69 plane ticket, flew to Ohio, and rode home, was a ton of fun.
The Notary thing is a PITA..........
-
Maybe get someone with a camper van, sedate yourself in the back so as to sleep on the outward trip, then you wouldn’t have to endure the spectre of being excited about a new Griso, get Swami to do as much of the paperwork as he can so that’ll be ready and you won’t have to do much writing, eat like a starving hyena before you leave so as to not need to force feed yourself en route, you may have to walk from the camper to the bike...(sorry..)
Then do the ride home... :thumb:
-
Yep..
Just bloody do it..!
I did drive to Louisville KY and back in a single day about 6 weeks ago to buy my '70 Ambo. That trip was 6hr one way according to GPS. I think I left at 0700 and made it home about 2200. I spent about an hour at the guy's house shooting the breeze and loading the bike, then I stopped for a bite to eat before driving home. Not fun but worth it.
I assure you if my Breva blew up tonight, I would drive to FLA and get it this weekend... But a 5th bike when I already have a CARC Guzzi I love, plus the trouble of going after it, nah I'll pass this time.
It's ok, a nice low mile Griso will show up close to home one of these days! (Hopefully a rollerized Tenni!)
-
Maybe get someone with a camper van, sedate yourself in the back so as to sleep on the outward trip, then you wouldn’t have to endure the spectre of being excited about a new Griso, get Swami to do as much of the paperwork as he can so that’ll be ready and you won’t have to do much writing, eat like a starving hyena before you leave so as to not need to force feed yourself en route, you may have to walk from the camper to the bike...(sorry..)
Then do the ride home... :thumb:
That's even worse! No amount of money or any bike on earth would be worth riding 10 straight hours on the interstate! As much as I hate driving, riding a naked bike on the interstate is worse!
-
That's even worse! No amount of money or any bike on earth would be worth riding 10 straight hours on the interstate! As much as I hate driving, riding a naked bike on the interstate is worse!
Yeah fair enough I guess.
But it strikes me as strange, that these Griso things are lauded by all and sundry as a fabulous piece of kit, (which I still don’t understand..) and when the prospect of going for a ride on one crops up, all the mealy mouthed excuses in the world suddenly materialise as to why it can’t be done.
So if riding a new Griso home for the first time is not within it’s design brief, what the bloody hell is..?
They drink like a Top Fuel dragster, rough as guts, stupid wide handlebars, a bloody great toaster hanging off one side, a muffler that looks like something George Lucas dreamed up and a 10 hr ride leaves you in need of an orthopaedic surgeon it’s seems.
Another solution might be, to have riders stationed along the route pony express style, so when one guy is lifted from the bike at the absolute limits of physical endurance semi comatose from the effects of 2 hours in the saddle, the next poor sod could be shoe horned aboard to continue the odyssey.
Jeez that Itchy Shoes sheila must be as tough as nails...!
Where does the “mighty” term fit in with the “mighty Griso” description that I see trotted out ad nauseum ?
Notwithstanding the foregoing though.
All the excuses sound like an unadulterated load of BS...
-
But a 5th bike when I already have a CARC Guzzi I love, plus the trouble of going after it, nah I'll pass this time.
So you didn’t actually WANT it...
Now that, I do understand...
-
Haul bikes could ship it for you, probably $500...paperwork easy enough within the WG community should be a cinch.
Mighty has been used mostly in reference to the Scura...I think the Griso is just too gutsy for an additional adjective!
-
Haul bikes could ship it for you, probably $500...paperwork easy enough within the WG community should be a cinch.
Mighty has been used mostly in reference to the Scura...I think the Griso is just too gutsy for an additional adjective!
Hmmm...
(https://i.ibb.co/8rHqCgP/1491-DE7-A-A2-FC-44-DA-8-F0-C-FDBEADE8-CF4-F.png) (https://ibb.co/8rHqCgP)
-
Why is the 10 hr distance between you and the bike, a consideration ?
With the weather coming next week, I'm not sure they'll be any fly and rides. It's 86 today and muggy. Going to be snowing rainy and 29 degrees on Tuesday. It'll be heading east.
Looks like the middle the country to the east will be closed. It should warm to 60 a week from Saturday.
-
Hmmm...
(https://i.ibb.co/8rHqCgP/1491-DE7-A-A2-FC-44-DA-8-F0-C-FDBEADE8-CF4-F.png) (https://ibb.co/8rHqCgP)
oops! Clearly a case of plagiarism!! ha ha! Good catch Huzo!
:thumb: :thumb:
-
Yeah fair enough I guess.
But it strikes me as strange, that these Griso things are lauded by all and sundry as a fabulous piece of kit, (which I still don’t understand..) and when the prospect of going for a ride on one crops up, all the mealy mouthed excuses in the world suddenly materialise as to why it can’t be done.
So if riding a new Griso home for the first time is not within it’s design brief, what the bloody hell is..?
They drink like a Top Fuel dragster, rough as guts, stupid wide handlebars, a bloody great toaster hanging off one side, a muffler that looks like something George Lucas dreamed up and a 10 hr ride leaves you in need of an orthopaedic surgeon it’s seems.
Another solution might be, to have riders stationed along the route pony express style, so when one guy is lifted from the bike at the absolute limits of physical endurance semi comatose from the effects of 2 hours in the saddle, the next poor sod could be shoe horned aboard to continue the odyssey.
Jeez that Itchy Shoes sheila must be as tough as nails...!
Where does the “mighty” term fit in with the “mighty Griso” description that I see trotted out ad nauseum ?
Notwithstanding the foregoing though.
All the excuses sound like an unadulterated load of BS...
'ey......don't be shy. Tell us what you really think! :grin: :grin: :grin:
-
'ey......don't be shy. Tell us what you really think! :grin: :grin: :grin:
I think I did.
With a touch of hyperbole for dramatic effect... :popcorn:
-
Hire a driver............. .........
-
Quote from: Huzo on Today at 03:09:05 PM
Yeah fair enough I guess.
But it strikes me as strange, that these Griso things are lauded by all and sundry as a fabulous piece of kit, (which I still don’t understand..) and when the prospect of going for a ride on one crops up, all the mealy mouthed excuses in the world suddenly materialise as to why it can’t be done.
So if riding a new Griso home for the first time is not within it’s design brief, what the bloody hell is..?
They drink like a Top Fuel dragster, rough as guts, stupid wide handlebars, a bloody great toaster hanging off one side, a muffler that looks like something George Lucas dreamed up and a 10 hr ride leaves you in need of an orthopaedic surgeon it’s seems.
Another solution might be, to have riders stationed along the route pony express style, so when one guy is lifted from the bike at the absolute limits of physical endurance semi comatose from the effects of 2 hours in the saddle, the next poor sod could be shoe horned aboard to continue the odyssey.
Jeez that Itchy Shoes sheila must be as tough as nails...!
Where does the “mighty” term fit in with the “mighty Griso” description that I see trotted out ad nauseum ?
Notwithstanding the foregoing though.
All the excuses sound like an unadulterated load of BS...
'ey......don't be shy. Tell us what you really think! :grin: :grin: :grin:
Oh, he has. Over and over and...
Me thinks he doth protest too much. Usually sign of an itch needing a scratch? :boozing:
-
Well, who’s innocent of that crime ?
Of course if one makes a statement glib enough with “probably” or “usually” featuring enough times, then the statement doesn’t really have to mean anything..
However, I do have a persistent itch adjacent to a nasty rash contracted in Asia...
Care to come over with your fingernails ?
-
So far, one lowball offer of $6K made through the ad
Another guy coming to see it Sunday.
-
Personally, with only 150 miles of experience, I'd give it a little more. I mean, that's just a good afternoon's ride. Ride it some, you might get used to it. Flogging that gas and leaning into a corner, that Griso is a runner. It's got some beans that you won't get in a small block. It's a bike that won't get embarrassed by many bikes in the real world on the road. Yeah, your legs are a little cramped but lean it in a corner and feel the leverage you have and the confidence to lean it.
-
Stop encouraging him to keep it, if my Breva isn't 'transformed' by the Beetle map this weekend like everyone claims, I'll drive down there and buy this thing next month! :thewife: Huzo has to ride along and take turns driving tho!
-
Stop encouraging him to keep it, if my Breva isn't 'transformed' by the Beetle map this weekend like everyone claims, I'll drive down there and buy this thing next month! :thewife: Huzo has to ride along and take turns driving tho!
As an inducement, I will take $500 off if you do just that. $7999
-
Too good of a deal to pass up!! Someone get this beauty! :thumb: :thumb:
-
And if Huzo comes along, do you add $500? :grin:
As an inducement, I will take $500 off if you do just that. $7999
-
Personally, with only 150 miles of experience, I'd give it a little more.
Hell, I've owned bikes for up to about 40k miles TRYING to like them/make them work for me only to decide they wouldn't.
It's a very personal thing and I don't blame the OP for a second.
To some extent I don't get the Griso cult trying to egg him on. I've ridden em, there's a lot to like, yet I bought two smallblocks instead.
Like what you ride, buy what you like.
-
Let the guy sell the bike. If it's so wonderful, then buy it from him!
The fact that he doesn't feel it will work for him really isn't a reflection on you.
-
And if Huzo comes along, do you add $500? :grin:
That IS funny... :bow: :thumb:
-
Huzo,
Glad you caught the humor, as Sometimes, Tongue in cheek comments are misconstrued on the inter web.. :thumb:
That IS funny... :bow: :thumb:
-
Stop encouraging him to keep it, if my Breva isn't 'transformed' by the Beetle map this weekend like everyone claims, I'll drive down there and buy this thing next month! :thewife: Huzo has to ride along and take turns driving tho!
"Transformed" is subjective. I've added Beetle Maps to my Griso, Norge, V7ii, and 1200S. Biggest improvement was on the Griso, and it took out the light throttle sensitivity, the stock map was snatchy at low speeds. Overall, the Beetlemap will smooth out power delivery, eliminate that 3K dip, shuts off the O2 sensors, gets rid of lean spots and bumps redline a bit. On the V7, where there was a drop in torque/power at midrange, there is now a linear bump, but in the Norge and Breva 1200, the main difference was just smoother power delivery.
The difference between the Breva and Griso, is measurable and distinct. Bottom line, 'for me' is the Breva/Norge is sweet and smooth at lower to mid speeds and aggressive roads, and good when ridden hard and things get aggressive. The Griso, properly setup (proper suspension setup is a MUST) is good at slower to midrange, but when ridden hard is in it's element and just comes alive.
Riding the same roads on the two, the Norge and 1200S was smooth, fun, competent and secure, but had lower limits. The Griso brings an adrenaline rush. It is not uncomfortable, but is sharper, more responsive, more capable, direct and visceral.
Relevant to the OP not getting the Griso, I get it. If you are used to a V7, and ride the Griso the same way you do/can a V7, you will not get it. The V7 is a nice sweet bike, but is an old lady in comparison and capability. If you want a harder edged experience, you will love the Griso. If you want more power above 6K RPM, you will love the 8V Griso. I've had an 8V Norge, and ridden a couple 8V Griso's. The V7 is Jennifer Love Hewitt, the Griso is Scarlett Johansson. I prefer the 4V motor.
-
My Norge is an old ‘07 2VPC.
Beetle’s map installed and tuned by Roper absolutely removed all of the deficiencies.
Pinging and thirst.
I have seen and had first hand accounts relating the efficacy of his map/s on the 4VPC engines and the reports have some variance. I only own one 2VPC big block Guzzi, but I can tell you that the transformation was immediate and total.
Roper’s Griso could not catch me on a top gear roll on from 80 k’s until 180 k’s and I can get 500 km from a tank if I want/need to.
There’s nothing to add..
-
My Norge is an old ‘07 2VPC.
Beetle’s map installed and tuned by Roper absolutely removed all of the deficiencies.
Pinging and thirst.
I have seen and had first hand accounts relating the efficacy of his map/s on the 4VPC engines and the reports have some variance. I only own one 2VPC big block Guzzi, but I can tell you that the transformation was immediate and total.
Roper’s Griso could not catch me on a top gear roll on from 80 k’s until 180 k’s and I can get 500 km from a tank if I want/need to.
There’s nothing to add..
Tank size is a big deficiency on the Griso.... As for top gear roll ons VS Roper on his Griso, well, we will make no mention of Ropers 'size' and how that may effect performance :evil:
-
Tank size is a big deficiency on the Griso.... As for top gear roll ons VS Roper on his Griso, well, we will make no mention of Ropers 'size' and how that may effect performance :evil:
Yeah that’s a fair point, one he made on the day and subsequently.
I like to leave it out but only to boost my story, your point is well made... :thumb:
-
Yeah that’s a fair point, one he made on the day and subsequently.
I like to leave it out but only to boost my story, your point is well made... :thumb:
The fact his is the sucky 8V (can of rocks sounding) motor, and yours is the 4V..... :boozing: :cool:
While there is no argument that the 8V rush from 6200 to redline beats the 4V, I'll take the 4V motor over an 8V all day long. I had an 8V Norge at the same time as I had the 4V Griso, and far preferred the Griso motor. Sound, feel, sub 6K performance. For a while, I was looking to swap the 8V for a 4V but couldn't find the right one. Then I dumped the Norge for the MGX, which I dumped for a Convert and also LOVE.
I really did love the Breva/Norge as a LD/Touring platform, and had an eye out for a 1200 Sport which I also really like.
-
The V7 is Jennifer Love Hewitt, the Griso is Scarlett Johansson. I prefer the 4V motor.
Gotta love this forum.
-
As The Fabulous Thunderbirds so aptly stated in "Look at That" off the Butt Rockin' recording, and I quote, "I'll take either one or both of those".
-
,,
-
Hell, I've owned bikes for up to about 40k miles TRYING to like them/make them work for me only to decide they wouldn't.
It's a very personal thing and I don't blame the OP for a second.
To some extent I don't get the Griso cult trying to egg him on. I've ridden em, there's a lot to like, yet I bought two smallblocks instead.
Like what you ride, buy what you like.
Thanks Kev, you get it. This is me "showing maturity" or wisdom or whatever. With enough experience, when you know, you know.
Getting a ton on interest the last 24 hours I think it will sell soon.
-
Thanks Kev, you get it. This is me "showing maturity" or wisdom or whatever. With enough experience, when you know, you know.
Getting a ton on interest the last 24 hours I think it will sell soon.
:thumb:
Though I'm not sure I'd use the "M" word for ME.... looks good on you though. :boozing:
-
Getting a ton on interest the last 24 hours I think it will sell soon.
(https://i.imgflip.com/v4wh7.jpg)
-
The Griso is not for everyone that's for sure. I've struggled with riding mine, and I'm probably still faster in tight stuff on my EV than I am on the Griso. I get that the OP quickly decided that the bike wasn't for him, but I took the other route and have gone along with the journey. As a result I feel like I've been rewarded with a really great bike that has forced me to become a better rider (especially trail braking).
I remember one of my first trips on the Griso. After a day of struggling to get that pig around the NC/GA twisties I swapped with my buddy and mounted his brand new GS. It had abs, riding modes, and was as comfortable as a reclining chair. It was the easiest bike I have ever ridden! Steve sold that BMW a few months later and bought a Super Duke, and I've still got the Griso. I guess we both are lacking in the maturity department...
-
Hell, I've owned bikes for up to about 40k miles TRYING to like them/make them work for me only to decide they wouldn't.
It's a very personal thing and I don't blame the OP for a second.
To some extent I don't get the Griso cult trying to egg him on. I've ridden em, there's a lot to like, yet I bought two smallblocks instead.
Like what you ride, buy what you like.
I bought my '12 Concours 1400 for long distance sport touring. It was a huge motorcycle! So many owners were putting handlebar risers, tall windshields, Corbin seats, and peg relocation kits that I started wondering if I bought the wrong bike.
I decided to start working on my core muscles so I wasn't putting pressure on my wrists and gave myself 90 days to adapt to the riding position before converting it into a touring bike from sport touring.
Well, other than a firm Sargent seat, I rode that bike in the stock configuration on many cross country trips.
Point being that sometimes you adapt the bike to fit the ergonomics you want, and sometimes you adapt to the ergonomics of the bike.
Of course sometimes you just bought the wrong bike. I tease many forum members that dislike cruiser bikes for changing their sport or adventure touring bike into a cruiser riding position. :wink: They don't like when you point out that risers, tall windshields, and pegs more forward can be bought from the factory.
-
I decided to start working on my core muscles so I wasn't putting pressure on my wrists and gave myself 90 days to adapt to the riding position before converting it into a touring bike from sport touring.
<snip>
Point being that sometimes you adapt the bike to fit the ergonomics you want, and sometimes you adapt to the ergonomics of the bike.
Of course sometimes you just bought the wrong bike.
In my case it has nothing to do with strength or ability, it's simply enjoyment. I simply PREFER the more upright riding position COMBINED with powerband, fit/feel/ergos and overall experience (including maintenance) of other bikes. Yeah, there's a minor issue of knees getting cramped after a couple of hours in one bent position, but I STILL get that on my V7 and I CAN put up with it for the right bike, that's not a big deal.
I tried to like my R1100rs, my Breva 1100, hell even my Buell ST3 - NONE of them had as tight or leaned a riding position as our Monster even, but that wasn't the issue.
Then again, as much as I think the Monster is a brilliant bike, I don't think I'd ever have bought one for myself. Maybe the Scrambler version, but even then I'd have likely picked something different despite how it functions.
I think it comes down to "Know Yourself" and forget what everyone else is trying to convince you is "better" because if it's not BETTER for you, then it's probably WORSE. :thumb:
-
"The cult of GRiSO" Nice ring to it. Thanks Kev! :grin:
Agreed, too many bikes out there to try and live with one any longer than necessary.
Hard to fault those who actually own and have put good miles on the exact model in question wanting to relay their deeper experiences when it might save someone $$.
OP first impressions- "this thing is a beast! Idles like a raging bull ready to rumble"
Aptly put,sir! As endearing a trait to me as someone else describing their Goldwing "silky smooth".
Now about that Triumph Scrambler of yours, sure wish I had me one. :thumb:
-
The Griso is not for everyone that's for sure. I've struggled with riding mine, and I'm probably still faster in tight stuff on my EV than I am on the Griso. I get that the OP quickly decided that the bike wasn't for him, but I took the other route and have gone along with the journey. As a result I feel like I've been rewarded with a really great bike that has forced me to become a better rider (especially trail braking).
I remember one of my first trips on the Griso. After a day of struggling to get that pig around the NC/GA twisties I swapped with my buddy and mounted his brand new GS. It had abs, riding modes, and was as comfortable as a reclining chair. It was the easiest bike I have ever ridden! Steve sold that BMW a few months later and bought a Super Duke, and I've still got the Griso. I guess we both are lacking in the maturity department...
I completely get what you are saying. The Griso is clearly not a nimble waif, but properly set up, is not a pig either. The Griso was the first bike I owned with full suspension tuning/adjustments, all I had before was an occasional compression or rebound setting or rear spring pre-load.
The Griso has it all, compression, rebound, spring preload and fork height adjustments, and in the rear has compression, rebound, and spring preload, and like one of those seats in a car with 14 way adjustments, is easy to get wrong more often than right. The factory settings on the Griso are terrible.
When I got mine, I started off with the MI set suspension. They set it up for the PO/original owner. He was about my height and weight, and I really liked it right off the bat. For comparison, I was coming straight off a vey well Sorted 2005 FJR that I had for 8 years. The Griso was an immediate improvement.
Because I have never been one to leave things alone, I wrote down the MI setup and then adjusted the bike to factory settings, and immediately hated it. It was heavy in turns, resisted turn in, and felt sluggish. I brought the bike back to the MI settings and continued over a month to adjust a bit more to my liking which was a bit less rebound, and less preload in the forks. Have been riding it that way for the last 4 years and the bike is a blast. It is vey sensitive to tire pressures and wear, more than any other bike I have owned. Of course as with many other bikes, upgrading the suspension pieces can also bring big improvements, but I am happy with stock.
I DO have Onhur's 1" bar risers, and Knight lowering pegs for comfort, and though is still a slight forward lean, is relatively neutral. The biggest adjustment when I hop bike to bike is how wide the 4V handlebars are.
It is a Guzzi, but is also very different. Everything is sharper edged, more engaging and intense, and it has that wacky reverse order horn/turnsignal switch (which the 1200S also has). I get that the GRiSO is not for everyone, in looks, ergonomics, etc, but I've found it is also true that most people who think it handles like a pig have a poorly set up bike. Then again, I am a Cult member, so......... :evil:
-
My ride on a Griso seemed like pretty a sporty roadster. Certainly the top performer in the Guzzi lineup.
-
I completely get what you are saying. The Griso is clearly not a nimble waif, but properly set up, is not a pig either. The Griso was the first bike I owned with full suspension tuning/adjustments, all I had before was an occasional compression or rebound setting or rear spring pre-load.
The Griso has it all, compression, rebound, spring preload and fork height adjustments, and in the rear has compression, rebound, and spring preload, and like one of those seats in a car with 14 way adjustments, is easy to get wrong more often than right. The factory settings on the Griso are terrible.
When I got mine, I started off with the MI set suspension. They set it up for the PO/original owner. He was about my height and weight, and I really liked it right off the bat. For comparison, I was coming straight off a vey well Sorted 2005 FJR that I had for 8 years. The Griso was an immediate improvement.
Because I have never been one to leave things alone, I wrote down the MI setup and then adjusted the bike to factory settings, and immediately hated it. It was heavy in turns, resisted turn in, and felt sluggish. I brought the bike back to the MI settings and continued over a month to adjust a bit more to my liking which was a bit less rebound, and less preload in the forks. Have been riding it that way for the last 4 years and the bike is a blast. It is vey sensitive to tire pressures and wear, more than any other bike I have owned. Of course as with many other bikes, upgrading the suspension pieces can also bring big improvements, but I am happy with stock.
I DO have Onhur's 1" bar risers, and Knight lowering pegs for comfort, and though is still a slight forward lean, is relatively neutral. The biggest adjustment when I hop bike to bike is how wide the 4V handlebars are.
It is a Guzzi, but is also very different. Everything is sharper edged, more engaging and intense, and it has that wacky reverse order horn/turnsignal switch (which the 1200S also has). I get that the GRiSO is not for everyone, in looks, ergonomics, etc, but I've found it is also true that most people who think it handles like a pig have a poorly set up bike. Then again, I am a Cult member, so......... :evil:
Yep it was definitely a pig that first trip. Since then:
Beatle Map
Onur's risers
KD 1" lower pegs
Traxxion rebuild/re-spring of the rear shock
Sargent seat mod
HH pads up front
Good tires!
That looks like a long list but over 4 years I don't feel like I've spent all that much to get it there. $400 for the shock and $200 for the seat are the biggies.
So no longer a pig!
-
I did drive to Louisville KY and back in a single day about 6 weeks ago to buy my '70 Ambo. That trip was 6hr one way according to GPS. I think I left at 0700 and made it home about 2200. I spent about an hour at the guy's house shooting the breeze and loading the bike, then I stopped for a bite to eat before driving home. Not fun but worth it.
I assure you if my Breva blew up tonight, I would drive to FLA and get it this weekend... But a 5th bike when I already have a CARC Guzzi I love, plus the trouble of going after it, nah I'll pass this time.
It's ok, a nice low mile Griso will show up close to home one of these days! (Hopefully a rollerized Tenni!)
My mom lives in Franklin, and I will be visiting her for Christmas. Just sayin'
-
I drove 1600 miles round trip non stop in about 24 hours to pick mine up in Atlanta. Tough drive, but worth it.
(https://i.postimg.cc/x1rbHcFh/IMG_4540_(2).jpg) (https://postimg.cc/0bfQ12v0)
-
Dave, perfect. And I have a guy in Charlotte who wants the bike but who demands I drive it myself to his home. WTH? It would cost him $8500 for me to do so and $8619 if he uses Haulbikes to pick the bike up. He absolutely won't come and get the bike and won't use a shipper so we absolutely will not do business. Some people forget it's the seller who sets the terms.
I, too, have driven long hours to fetch the bike of my desires. It's how it works.
-
Why would anyone call the sportiest Guzzi in the line-up a pig? I don't get it.
-
Stickers- try a steamer like this one- https://www.amazon.com/Bissell-Hard-Surface-Cleaner-39N7A-39N71/dp/B001EYHAGS/ref=sr_1_3?dchild=1&keywords=steam+cleaner&qid=1604071549&sr=8-3
Soften the glue. Use Goo-gone to get the glue off if any left.
Pegs- Knight Design created a set for my griso (or matched a set they have). You can get another 1" of leg room...much improved.
http://www.knightdesignllc.com/Products/Motorcycle/Moto-Guzzi/Griso-1200/Moto-Guzzi-Griso-1200-Menu.html
-
Why would anyone call the sportiest Guzzi in the line-up a pig? I don't get it.
Have you danced with one? I have. The oinker ref isn't far off...
(https://i.ibb.co/C2GRXbM/IMG-2428.jpg) (https://ibb.co/C2GRXbM)
(https://i.ibb.co/k6VKz1g/IMG-2425-zpsc1jpilrq.jpg) (https://ibb.co/k6VKz1g)
(https://i.ibb.co/4SVK9M2/IMG-2427.jpg) (https://ibb.co/4SVK9M2)
-
Why would anyone call the sportiest Guzzi in the line-up a pig? I don't get it.
As much as I like the Griso I must admit it is a bit "piggish" compared to a "proper" sportbike.
I spent almost 10 years on this CBR and then before that a Ducati 916 for a few years. Big difference!
(https://i.postimg.cc/YqztPbVb/1188.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/ykWqgX7Z)
-
The Guzzi is more like a cheetah, rather than a pig. It will lope along easily at highway speeds and when needed upon demand can fire up and accelerate like crazy as needed. It may not be the "most" nimble in the twisties, but it's super fun nonetheless.
Properly setup on suspension, good tires, proper ergos, it's an addictive bike to ride, but as we've all found out, it's not for everyone.
Hopefully the new owner will enjoy joining the cult of Griso and be content!
-
The Guzzi is more like a cheetah, rather than a pig.
Good description! Although the Griso is not my old CBR I enjoy riding it just as much if not more. Also my aging bod is really not CBR material anymore!
-
As much as I like the Griso I must admit it is a bit "piggish" compared to a "proper" sportbike.
I spent almost 10 years on this CBR and then before that a Ducati 916 for a few years. Big difference!
(https://i.postimg.cc/YqztPbVb/1188.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/ykWqgX7Z)
My bad. I thought we were comparing the Griso to Guzzis, not GSXR or Ducatis.
-
I would say the Griso if much more akin to a Lion than a Cheetah. Lions lope as well, but they can get up and haul ass when they need to. The problem with the Cheetah metaphor for a Griso, is what land animal would an actual modern liter bike be??
-
I would say the Griso if much more akin to a Lion than a Cheetah. Lions lope as well, but they can get up and haul ass when they need to. The problem with the Cheetah metaphor for a Griso, is what land animal would an actual modern liter bike be??
No arguing with that logic. The cheetah being the fastest land animal doesn't fit. The lion is the 5th fastest - much more appropriate. :bow: :azn:
-
I dunno guys.
Some pigs are very fast...Have you ever tried to catch a greasy one..?
Maybe that’s why Luigi doesn’t use the stuff... :popcorn:
-
I dunno guys.
Some pigs are very fast...Have you ever tried to catch a greasy one..?
Maybe that’s why Luigi doesn’t use the stuff... :popcorn:
Only a Wild boar...and then I would just ask Asterix & Obelix to go hunting for a few! :thumb: :thumb:
-
I would say the Griso if much more akin to a Lion than a Cheetah. Lions lope as well, but they can get up and haul ass when they need to. The problem with the Cheetah metaphor for a Griso, is what land animal would an actual modern liter bike be??
Ok...fair point...although since the Griso is so damn good looking with nary a hair out of place, we may need to find a well groomed Lion! :) :thumb:
-
Only a Wild boar...and then I would just ask Asterix & Obelix to go hunting for a few! :thumb: :thumb:
Wild boars top speed has been clocked at 25 mph. :laugh:
-
Dave, perfect. And I have a guy in Charlotte who wants the bike but who demands I drive it myself to his home. WTH? It would cost him $8500 for me to do so and $8619 if he uses Haulbikes to pick the bike up. He absolutely won't come and get the bike and won't use a shipper so we absolutely will not do business. Some people forget it's the seller who sets the terms.
I, too, have driven long hours to fetch the bike of my desires. It's how it works.
Actually, it depends on whether you need to sell more than the buyer needs to buy. Doesn't seem that way for either of you.
-
Javalina maybe?
:wink:
-
Have you danced with one? I have. The oinker ref isn't far off...
(https://i.ibb.co/C2GRXbM/IMG-2428.jpg) (https://ibb.co/C2GRXbM)
(https://i.ibb.co/k6VKz1g/IMG-2425-zpsc1jpilrq.jpg) (https://ibb.co/k6VKz1g)
(https://i.ibb.co/4SVK9M2/IMG-2427.jpg) (https://ibb.co/4SVK9M2)
Wont handle like the honda, shocker.
-
I had to sell my 2011 Tenni Griso due to extreme hip pain the riding position caused. I hated to do it, the way the torque came on, on that bike was just amazing.
-
I dunno guys.
Some pigs are very fast...Have you ever tried to catch a greasy one..?
Maybe that’s why Luigi doesn’t use the stuff... :popcorn:
I'll second that pig suggestion, or rather wild boar - - - -
Seems apt I think, based on the look of the bike! Heavy set, muscular neck - - - -
Coincidentally, "gris" in Norwegian (Norge-speak, for Huzo :grin: ) means "pig"
-
No arguing with that logic. The cheetah being the fastest land animal doesn't fit. The lion is the 5th fastest - much more appropriate. :bow: :azn:
Charging rhinoceros works for me, for any of the 8V bikes, they’re not lithe.
-
One out of three pigs would build their house out of bricks.
-
Charging rhinoceros works for me, for any of the 8V bikes, they’re not lithe.
I like this one...just might have to name my Griso Little Rhino!
-
I think that you don’t have to be Pythagoras to work out one of the driving forces behind the generation of love for the Griso and the now waning bias toward the 4 VPC motor, especially on the forum.
Sometimes it’s not the love for something that determines it’s desireability, it’s the esteem in which it’s greatest defenders are justifiably held... :wink:
-
Wont handle like the honda, shocker.
It didn't handle like anything else at that track day, either...
-
I think that you don’t have to be Pythagoras to work out one of the driving forces behind the generation of love for the Griso and the now waning bias toward the 4 VPC motor, especially on the forum.
Sometimes it’s not the love for something that determines it’s desirability, it’s the esteem in which it’s greatest defenders are justifiably held... :wink:
One can love 2 or 3 or more motos equally...very happy with my 2V Norge and the 4V Griso...different animals, both lovable! It's called PolyAmoty!
-
One can love 2 or 3 or more motos equally...very happy with my 2V Norge and the 4V Griso...different animals, both lovable! It's called PolyAmoty!
Not from Utah by any chance PJPR ?
-
One can love 2 or 3 or more motos equally...very happy with my 2V Norge and the 4V Griso...different animals, both lovable! It's called PolyAmoty!
Seems to me some have GRiSO envy............... . :popcorn:
-
Not from Utah by any chance PJPR ?
:) I realize I spelled it wrong...it should be PaulyAmoty! Ha ha!
Far from St. George my friend...but well aware!
-
Seems to me some have GRiSO envy............... . :popcorn:
It does seem that way doesn't it! Almost like they are (Tenni) Green with envy! :)
-
It does seem that way doesn't it! Almost like they are (Tenni) Green with envy! :)
Well played Sir, WELL played..... :cool:
-
It didn't handle like anything else at that track day, either...
Not set up properly, inferior rider or both. The Griso, perfect track bike, said no one ever.
-
SOLD!!!!!!
-
SOLD!!!!!!
:thumb: :thumb: :thumb:
-
Nice! congrats!
-
Great. Now, Onward and Upward!
-
Yes....back to embracing my V7III's!
-
Yes....back to embracing my V7III's!
:thumb:
No uncomfortable heat coming off the engine like the large displacement engines.