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First sign, she stopped eating a couple days ago. So left her overnight at an ER for fluids and lots of tests. They then sent me directly to my vet where she is now but I'm picking her up this afternoon. Prognosis not good, we'll know in about 48 hours. Almost certain she got it at my moms where there is a lake and Oak Forest we would play in.. I appreciate your sympathy but more making it known for anyone else who lives in Deer tick country. Inspect your dog frequently.
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First sign, she stopped eating a couple days ago. So left her overnight at an ER for fluids and lots of tests. They then sent me directly to my vet where she is now but I'm picking her up this afternoon. Prognosis not good, we'll know in about 48 hours. Almost certain she got it at my moms where there is a lake and Oak Forest we would play in.. I appreciate your sympathy but more making it known for anyone else who lives in Deer tick country. Inspect your dog frequently.
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At first I thought you were floating an idea for a new Country Music song ...
But seriously, our dog for the last 10 years has gotten a "Bravecto" pill once every three months. Costs $60 but worth it.
We used to try the stuff that you dribble along their spine, or powder that you comb into their hair, but he still got the occasional tick.
But Bravecto is in their bloodstream. Before a tick can even bite far enough to transmit anything, it's dead. Despite our long-haired collie helling through every cane-break and creek-bottom and upland field that are all full of ticks, and where he used to come home with 50 of them on him, where even I have to strip and check myself and grab ticks off me when I go there ...
he hasn't been bitten by a tick since we started giving it to him. So inspect but prevent first!
Lannis
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Brad
sorry to hear and pray that something can be done.
Mark
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:thumb: On the Bravecto, I give it to my Labs and there constantly in the Brush, wish they made it for humans cause I ended up with Lymes . Not Fun !!!
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There is a Lyme's - for dogs. I know what help now but for future . Good luck. Our dog has survived heart worms and a 1/2 pound of bakers chocolate, so you never know. Fingers crossed for you.
-AJ
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Neighbors pup got Lyme's and he's fully recovered. It did take a while for the diagnosis and until then Dee was very sick and lost a bunch of weight and muscle mass. He was the biggest Pitbull I ever saw. After formal diagnosis a round of antibiotics and Dee's fully recovered. Unlike people pups seem to get cured rather than have it go into remission. Things are back to normal. Holly goes out to pee then Dee comes over and pee's on her pee then Holly goes back and pee's again. It funny to watch those two.
Hope you pup pulls through and makes a full recovery. Holly and I send our love.
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Our lab had the same symptoms but the cause was the anti Lyme grease the vet gave us to rub on his neck.We almost lost him.I hope your pup makes it.
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Keep the faith! I'm looking at my own two dogs right now and I feel your pain. Your guy will be in my thoughts and I'll do my best to send some good vibes his way.
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Fotoguzzi
Sorry for your troubles. Retired veterinarian here. The killer with Lyme's disease is the secondary kidney failure that can result from the infection. The determining factors for this complication are the severity and length of infection as well as the individual animals immune response to the infection. Hopefully your dog was diagnosed early enough and will not have this problem. It is important that your dogs kidney function is continuously monitored with blood work and urine analysis. If your dog fully recovers it's important to get your dog vaccinated and follow a good flea/tick preventative protocol since immunity is not long lived. Good luck and let me know if I can be of any help.
Gian4....DVM retired.
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So sorry FOTO, I know you're about crazy about dogs as I am. I hope she's OK. Best wishes!
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Licks, loves, and prayers for a full recovery!
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Both of my Newfs are due for their annual Lyme vaccination. One next week and one on the 15th. They are getting their spot treatment tonight (which is 5 days short of the due date) because we are going to the cabin in the driftless area of WI. This has always been one of my biggest worries when we visit there and I'm very sorry to hear this has happened to you and your best friend.
Hopefully it's been caught early in the infection and I wish you both a full and speedy recovery!
John
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Foto I feel your pain. My buddy Wilson ( standard Poodle ) was also just diagnosed ,last Saturday, confirmed Wednesday. The only sign of anything amiss was an occasional cough and for about 2 weeks his energy level has been lower than normal and he hasn’t been eating as much, I thought due to the high heat and humidity. We will be starting antibiotics next week, in the meantime our vet uses low level lasers to help treat kidney and help stimulate the immune system. We’ve treated him 5 x with the laser and His Enegry is back and diet is better. He will be retested in 6 months to see how his body is fighting it off. Good luck.
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Foto, I feel for you, hope your dog comes through this all right.
Lyme's disease and the tics are a big challenge in my area; I've had the bullseye rash previously from a bite but apparently it didn't spread.
I've seen the severe allergic reaction to topical tic treatments, and after much research, I could never in good conscience, feed my dog pesticides. fwiw ymmv
I'm careful with my clothing, and I check my dog regularly and try to brush her with a furminator before she comes into the house, especially if the weather feels "ticky" ie cooler and dampish and I've gotten good at removing tics with the little twisty tools.
There is no easy win/win absolute solution with tics.
Thinking of you and praying for your dog.
Good luck take care
Kelly
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good advice here. Sorry to hear about your pup Foto.
Our dogs are in the woods most of the time, and we have found the Seresto collars to work very well. Recommended to last 8 months. Since they swim a lot, we change them out after six months. A couple years around here (Lannis' area) the ticks were so bad the vet recommended Seresto collars and Bravecto pills used simultaneously.
My understanding is the reason they don't make collars for humans is we live too long and the poison in the collar would build up in our bodies.
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Oh my! I am hoping for the very best!
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I hope she gets better, Brad. Keep us posted please.
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My understanding is the reason they don't make collars for humans is we live too long and the poison in the collar would build up in our bodies.
When my brother was in the 82nd Airborne, they would train in the woods of North Carolina in the summertime, and would live in the fields and woods for days on end in areas infested with ticks.
Some of the guys, despite warnings, would get hold of dog tick collars and put them on. You feed these guys gunpowder and raw meat and tell them they're invulnerable, and they can't get hurt by anything.
Except a tick collar. Every one in his unit that tried it had to get evacuated back to the base, sick as a ... umm ... dog.
Lannis
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Sadly I have to report she didn't make it. In typical lab fashion she didn't show any symptoms until it was too late. The disease ravaged her kidneys and there was just no recovery possible by the time we saw a change in behavior. We did use Advantix on schedule, last time on the 15th of August. Vet said the stuff not 100% effective. I hadn't thought about the - (if I even knew about it) because I didn't think the area was very infested, we just didn't see many ticks of any kind. But I now remember finding one tick back in June.. maybe it's been festering in her since then?
Maybe some of you remember Muley dogs, she was from the last litter and had 41 siblings. I sent a PM to Russ Huffman (Muley) but have not seen him on the forum for many years if anyone has contact info.
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Sadly I have to report she didn't make it. In typical lab fashion she didn't show any symptoms until it was too late. The disease ravaged her kidneys and there was just no recovery possible by the time we saw a change in behavior. We did use Advantix on schedule, last time on the 15th of August. Vet said the stuff not 100% effective. I hadn't thought about the - (if I even knew about it) because I didn't think the area was very infested, we just didn't see many ticks of any kind. But I now remember finding one tick back in June.. maybe it's been festering in her since then?
Maybe some of you remember Muley dogs, she was from the last litter and had 41 siblings. I sent a PM to Russ Huffman (Muley) but have not seen him on the forum for many years if anyone has contact info.
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That's sad to hear, and I know we all feel for you. Those Muley Dogs are legendary, and I know that yours had a great life!
Lannis
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Deepest condolences from our family to yours. Our "firstborn" was lost to kidney failure brought on by the vitamin D problems in dog food a few years back so we understand your pain.
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So sorry to hear the bad news !! I have labs and there my best friend,it tough when you have to let them go.
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Brad such sad news. It’s always tough to let a good friend go. Unfortunately No words will make this better, only time and memories. I figure a guy is lucky if he has one good dog in his life, but blessed if there are more.
Dave
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Lyme is carried by a parasite. Treat your dog or yourself for parasites.
The secondary illnesses suffered by those exposed is from parasite infestation and over looked and misdiagnosed. Testing procedures for parasites is less than 3% accurate per the CDC. I nearly died from the the parasites and misdiagnosis. Thanks to an old farmer, I am still raising hell.
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Condolences- sad to hear
Mark
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Sorry for your loss. It sucks Brad, dogs are special animals to us humans.
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My condolences Brad.
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Foto, really sorry to hear that news.
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Sad news indeed:(
Ciao
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Brad, we are sorry for your loss, dog are as much a part of a family as anyone.
Earl and Diane
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Brad, I am gutted to hear that Ella's lilttermate sister is gone.
Brad and his wife picked up Pink at the same time my daughter and I picked up Ella. Muley labs are great dogs.
Here is Ella with her collie housemate.
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I’m very sorry for your loss. Our dogs are part of our family, and losing a member of family
always hurts. Many condolences.
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Sorry for your loss,our lab lived 5 years after recovering.The lab would be perfectly healthy until we put the ointment on her neck.Then in a couple of days she stopped eating.The vet said her liver was failing but denied the tic ointment she sold had anything to do with it.After hundreds of dollars fo IV treatments the vet wanted to charge us to put her down.I got her home and prepared to put her out of her misery but she came back after we fed her some prime rib.There is a reason the tic treatments are not prescribed for humans.I have had Lyme and recovered and had no loss of appetite or liver or kidney issues,although I had such knee pain and swelling I got a handicapped parking card.If we get another dog I would take the chance of Lyme,which none of our dogs ever got here in tic central,rather than put it thru such suffering from this quack treatment.
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She was a beautiful dog and I thank you for sharing with us. It sounds like you did all you could and some things are just left to chance. I promise you that she was met by all my past dogs and they are right now enjoying an endless cycle of eating, sleeping and playing.
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Sorry for your loss,our lab lived 5 years after recovering.The lab would be perfectly healthy until we put the ointment on her neck.Then in a couple of days she stopped eating.The vet said her liver was failing but denied the tic ointment she sold had anything to do with it.After hundreds of dollars fo IV treatments the vet wanted to charge us to put her down.I got her home and prepared to put her out of her misery but she came back after we fed her some prime rib.There is a reason the tic treatments are not prescribed for humans.I have had Lyme and recovered and had no loss of appetite or liver or kidney issues,although I had such knee pain and swelling I got a handicapped parking card.If we get another dog I would take the chance of Lyme,which none of our dogs ever got here in tic central,rather than put it thru such suffering from this quack treatment.
sure but I don't think the - is quack treatment.. and yeah I know about the infested area in Northern Wisconsin (we don't go there anymore) but didn't think it had reached Scandia Mn yet.
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When my brother was in the 82nd Airborne, they would train in the woods of North Carolina in the summertime, and would live in the fields and woods for days on end in areas infested with ticks.
Some of the guys, despite warnings, would get hold of dog tick collars and put them on. You feed these guys gunpowder and raw meat and tell them they're invulnerable, and they can't get hurt by anything.
Except a tick collar. Every one in his unit that tried it had to get evacuated back to the base, sick as a ... umm ... dog.
Lannis
Wow! That is an impressive story.
I thought it was a long term health hazard. I had no idea it worked that fast.
Usually if we find any ticks on our dogs (10 or 12 a year), the ticks are dead. I probably pick a half dozen or so off myself each year.
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Sadly I have to report she didn't make it. In typical lab fashion she didn't show any symptoms until it was too late. The disease ravaged her kidneys and there was just no recovery possible by the time we saw a change in behavior. We did use Advantix on schedule, last time on the 15th of August. Vet said the stuff not 100% effective. I hadn't thought about the - (if I even knew about it) because I didn't think the area was very infested, we just didn't see many ticks of any kind. But I now remember finding one tick back in June.. maybe it's been festering in her since then?
Maybe some of you remember Muley dogs, she was from the last litter and had 41 siblings. I sent a PM to Russ Huffman (Muley) but have not seen him on the forum for many years if anyone has contact info.
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Sorry to hear the news Foto. A wet Lab is a happy dog!!! Labs and water are tough to beat for generating smiles and laughs.
Twice a week we retreat to some land we own bordered by 3 creeks. Running, splashing, swimming, digging, fishing, chasing wildlife, and rolling in poop is a tough life for a dog. But somebody has to do it!
Hang tough. When you are ready, there are more dogs out there who would love to brighten up your life. It's what they do best.
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Sorry for your loss,our lab lived 5 years after recovering.The lab would be perfectly healthy until we put the ointment on her neck.Then in a couple of days she stopped eating.The vet said her liver was failing but denied the tic ointment she sold had anything to do with it.After hundreds of dollars fo IV treatments the vet wanted to charge us to put her down.I got her home and prepared to put her out of her misery but she came back after we fed her some prime rib.There is a reason the tic treatments are not prescribed for humans.I have had Lyme and recovered and had no loss of appetite or liver or kidney issues,although I had such knee pain and swelling I got a handicapped parking card.If we get another dog I would take the chance of Lyme,which none of our dogs ever got here in tic central,rather than put it thru such suffering from this quack treatment.
What was the quack treatment?
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Foto, I am so sorry to hear about your loss.
Bob
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Lyme disease just ticks me off.
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The grease we used was Frontline.Every time we applied it the dog was in distress but recovered.My wife complained to the vet who prescribed a lower dose but the dose the sold us was not reduced.Despite all the horror stories on the Internet,the vet insisted that frontline did not cause the symptoms.Needless to say we got another vet.The reason this stuff is still on the market is that there is no FDA for animal drugs and it is too expensive to do autopsies on pets.The same problem,expense, make product liability suits impractical.
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The grease we used was Frontline.Every time we applied it the dog was in distress but recovered.My wife complained to the vet who prescribed a lower dose but the dose the sold us was not reduced.Despite all the horror stories on the Internet,the vet insisted that frontline did not cause the symptoms.Needless to say we got another vet.The reason this stuff is still on the market is that there is no FDA for animal drugs and it is too expensive to do autopsies on pets.The same problem,expense, make product liability suits impractical.
we used Frontline for years on cats and dogs and never had a problem. Then the formula was changed, which I believe caused the problems and a couple vets we know advised us to stop using it. This was at least 4 or 5 years ago. So we did. So far, no problems with the Seresto collars during that time.
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Back when I lived in Michigan I always got Preventic collars from the vet. Can't buy over the counter in stores. Things were awesome. Never had a tick problem. That was a quite a few years ago so I don't know if there is something newer and better but they worked.
-AJ
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So sorry to hear this, Angus is laying on the floor beside me now.
Dean
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I'm real sorry Brad. I, and no doubt many others, know just how much it hurts.
John Henry
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Sorry to read this Brad!!!
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Sorry for your loss. I live in tick central and I use a seresto collar for three of my dogs. I use a topical on the hound. I also have them tested and vaccinated every year.
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Lyme disease is also sexually transmittable, so it is a social disease too. If you have unprotected sex with someone who as llyme
disease you are at risk of catching it. Particularly if you are female.
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Lyme disease is also sexually transmittable, so it is a social disease too. If you have unprotected sex with someone who as llyme
disease you are at risk of catching it. Particularly if you are female.
I haven't signed in for sometime because of assh0les like you.
Fotoguzzi's best friend died, too bad it wasn't you.
Oldbike can ban me if he wants, but jimbag will always be a jerk
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I haven't signed in for sometime because of assh0les like you.
Fotoguzzi's best friend died, too bad it wasn't you.
Oldbike can ban me if he wants, but jimbag will always be a jerk
Dusty,
If I may..... {sigh}
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Amen. Why can animals get along better than people? They have no sense of self-importance!
As a guru once said "Without self-importance, it is impossible to be offended!"
People striving to be more like dogs would be a Hell of an improvement!
Foto,
You may enjoy this animal communicator. Patty Summers of Evington, VA. In addition to being a friend, we have hired her several times a year for over 20 years. Incredible gift!
her website is psanimal.com
I'd tell you more, but I don't want to freak you out!
Oh what the hell. Even though your dog is gone, she can still communicate with it.
Believe it or not. Your choice.
Best wishes!
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Science and the medical community for whatever reasons (there are many possibilities), are seriously lagging behind on the whole tic/Lymes disease issue.
I was an avid outdoorsman from a young age, so I've been aware of tics/Lymes disease for close to 50 yrs, but it's only within the last 20-25 yrs, that I've actually seen first hand locally, the devastating effects of the infection, .
It's only within the last 3-4 yrs that I've personally seen any doctor, express interest or concern with tic bites or infections, prior to that it was almost complete indifference.
Iirc there was an effective - trial for humans approx 20 yrs ago, but some lawsuits played out, and now its like the hot potato can of worms that all of the big chemical companies are hesitant and afraid to go near,,,, once bit, twice shy.
The whole animal tic protection industry is huge, generates massive amounts of income; if a product kills tics or protects your animal from tics effectively, make no mistake about it, it's toxic,period.
Is it possible that your animal may tolerate tic meds or possibly live to a ripe old age while taking them, absolutely.
Is it possible that your animal may have a severe reaction and possibly die from tic meds, absolutely.
As described by others above, big chemical companies like to make minor changes to formulas, change names, rebrand their product every few years; that accomplishes a few things; it stymies efforts for anecdotal evidence of harmful side effects to accumulate over time and prompt logical conclusions; but it also thwarts and minimizes, potential losses and liabilities from possible class action lawsuits, against any one particular product.
Iirc it's been said that parasites could be the downfall of mankind, with so much that we don't know about Lymes and the similarity to the syphilis Spirochete bacteria, Jim's comment might be a warning worth heeding.
The article in this link is interesting, if you're inclined, take the time to read the comments, it's only anecdotal, but it's compelling evidence. fwiw ymmv
https://www.lymedisease.org/lyme-sexual-transmission-2/
Foto, once again, I'm so sorry to hear about your dog; I know it doesn't lessen the pain and the loss, but it sounds like she didn't suffer too long.
Stay safe, good luck and take care
Kelly
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I’m just catching up on this incident with your fur baby and I’m so sorry for your loss. Sorry but I don’t have the words.
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I state a medical FACT. and warning and I get poisonous responses.
There are some people who just cannot resist throwing mud.
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I state a medical FACT, and warning, and I get anpoisonous response.
Some people cannot resist throwing mud.
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I state a medical FACT, and warning, and I get anpoisonous response.
Some people cannot resist throwing mud.
It sounded more like a joke, because it had nothing to do with the loss of fotoguzzi's best friend.
And your other comment "Lyme disease just ticks me off."
Was another medical fact?
To many their four legged companions are just like family.
If you want to share your own intimate experiences, maybe start another thread.
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Very sad story about Photo's dog....
CDC has a few words about Lyme disease transmission
https://www.cdc.gov/lyme/transmission/index.html
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I based my opinion on a newspaper article of a woman who was exposed to Lyme through her husband who had caught it from tick bite. WhenI lived in the wilderness of Idaho I had to check myself often and sometimes found ticks on my skin. I went to a doctor for one but it didn't give me lyme. And yes I understand the loss of an animal friend too. I had a dog that could pull in harness and one year when I wintered in Seattle he was run over by a car. Being a mountain dog he had no understanding of cars.
Your poisonous reply told me a lot about you, but I generally do not sling mud.