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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: GeorgiaGuzzi on September 07, 2020, 10:53:44 AM
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So I’m thinking of going back to just one bike. One the one hand maintaining two or more bikes takes time, which is currently my most precious commodity. My Quota checks all the marks for a do it all bike, once it’s sorted. (Getting closer!) Also if my only bike goes down, there’s more of a sense of urgency to getting fixed. If I have a second bike to ride there’s no rush.
On the other hand, I like to ride my motorcycle! Having to cage to work and back is not pleasant. Also I enjoy hopping on and running errands etc, which right now with both bikes down is more of a chore.
I dunno, not any serious thoughts. Just musings while I’m enjoying gorgeous weather while working.
Cheers, Robert
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If I had to just have ONE bike, for everything, it would have to be some kind of Dual Sport like this (2020 Honda Africa Twin). Fortunately, there are many options and choices in this category...
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Exactly the same thing I'm thinking at this point in my life.
From 1970 to 2000, I never had more than one bike at a time; 17 total in 30 years. I'd use it for commuting, Fay and I would travel around the state on it (we didn't do transcontinental tours then), highways, gravel roads, didn't matter. Two panhead Harleys, one Shovel, half a dozen Yamaha and Suzuki two-smokers, a Honda Dream, BMW R65, Triumph 650, BSA 650s, and a Centauro.
Then we really started traveling around, so we needed a good two-up cross-country bike, so I have two of those (Triumph Trophy 1215 Triple and Guzzi Stelvio). We needed something to rally two-up to British vintage rallies, so a Norton Commando. Something to ride to BSA rallies and share with others, so a 650 BSA Firebird Scrambler, a BSA M21 flathead single, and a BSA A10 pre-unit 650. And a real old-timer to work on, a 1935 Matchless Model X.
The good thing about multiple bikes is that I've got one for every occasion, although I'm less and less sure what that means or how valuable it is any more. I've got bikes to share with visitors, like they do for me. And if one breaks, I've got another to ride.
And that leads to the downside.
One breaks, so when you go out to the shed for a bike, you say "Well, I'll just take this other one". Then IT breaks or needs service, and you say "Well, ...." and it happens 4 more times and pretty soon you've got a frustrating shop full of bikes that aren't ready for the road and are weighing on your mind that you own this investment and it isn't working for you, but it's a lot of collective effort to get them all going.
The OTHER and maybe worse downside is that the older I get, the longer it takes to adapt to a different bike. Handling, brakes, clutch engagement, location of controls, engine response, they're all different. When I've been riding one bike for three weeks, I'm very facile with it, very used to it, my reactions are working right, I feel comfortable on it. When I then hop on another bike, I'm wobbly, unsure of myself, using too much or not enough brake, stalling, falling into turns, paddling around U-turns for about 200 miles and then I start smoothing out.
If you ride 15,000 miles a year on one bike, it's a LOT less work and expense than riding 15,000 miles a year spread among 4 (say) bikes. Some maintenance is time-based, not mileage based. You have to pay tags, taxes, and insurance on them whether you're putting miles on them or not. Tires get old, gas gets old ...
Like you, just musings taking a break from working outside in this lovely weather!
Lannis
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I'm kinda glad to have 2 Street legal Bikes right now [ my /our "old" 2006 VTX 1300 /C is for to odd going to Work Tip or Back Up.
Main Bike now is the '19 Cali, but up herein Manitoba to Riding season is to short to miss out [usually from May [if no Snowstorm ] till Mid Oct..
But would'nt mind to also have something for Gravel.
Do agree that multiple Bikes cost Time and Money.
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I'm finding it easier to simplify as I age. I'm kinda purging stuff. I gave my son the sidecar rig and firearms collection. :wink: Yes, I loved the stuff, but he is young enough to enjoy it. I got rid of all my Guzzis and Triumphs, and most of the parts stash. I'm down to 2 late model Dual Sports; an XT250 (it will be the last bike to go, unless I get another scooter) for back roads, and a DR650 for places requiring a bit more speed. Riding them reminds me of when I was a kid, running out to the dunes with a DT175. There is now a little room to move around in the garage. :grin: That's good enough, for now.
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Like my “coin flipping thread” I’ve got two bikes now and love them both. In fact these my be my last bikes period.
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For some decades the T was my only ride. Someone gave me the basket-case Triumph but I waited for retirement to get it running. Meanwhile the T got drowned and I began buying bikes to ride while rebuilding both the T and the TR6. Eventually wound up with the F650 and then the Mille, just because I missed Tonti handling.
Realistically the F650 is a pretty good all-around bike -- reasonable weight (400 lb), comfortable for two-up trips up to two hours (which is all Gail can tolerate), manageable on freeways, twisties and dirt roads. But the Triumph and T are so much fun to ride and the Mille is such a capable touring machine.
I'll be 72 this month and while I'm fit that also means I'm skinny (148 lb). Eventually the Mille will be too heavy. Eventually long-distance riding will be a happy memory. When I simplify, I may wind up with the T for pavement day trips and a 250 dual-sport for forest service roads.
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I really like the multiple bike approach. That way I feel more relaxed and not in a rush to get a broken bike sorted out. Parts going to take 2 weeks, no worries. Hit a snag with something, stop for the day, think it over, come back to the fix\repair\work later ... or take the working bike out for a ride to teach the broken bike a lesson (oh wait, that only works with dogs and kids :laugh:)
As for extra maintenance/work with multiple bikes, I don't really see that ... sense you are spreading miles/usage across multiples.
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Well, as I have only recently moved back UP to the ONE bike garage, the thought of a "stable" of two seems outlandish!😜
Actually, TBH, I am rather sadly finding the complete opposite. Before I bought my little V7, I had been wanting to get ANY bike for the several years it has been since I last owned one. I guess that I thought, laughably, that my motorcycle lust would be appeased. Nope.
Now I can't help looking at tourers. And dirt bikes. And mixtures. And, and... The good news is all of those thoughts vanish when I don my gear and fire up the Gray Ghost! 👻 Just planned my next 200-miler through the 'Dacks!
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As for extra maintenance/work with multiple bikes, I don't really see that ... sense you are spreading miles/usage across multiples.
Well, the way it happens for me is:
1) Gasoline - Unless you use stabilized non-ethanol fuel all the time, fuel gets old, it varnishes carb jets, does "whatever" to fuel injectors, you either have to run it through the bikes, empty it, or clean it. Takes time, whatever.
2) Tires - Tires have to be aired up more often, bikes have to be rolled about to avoid flat spots, and tires age and harden before you can wear them out.
3) Batteries - Batteries go flat, need to be kept on a charger, and need to be changed out at intervals even if you NEVER ride the bike, just like gas and tires.
4) Special tools - I have to keep clutch pullers for 2 kinds of BSA and a Norton, fork pullers for 3 different bikes, a selection of filters that has to be kept up to date.
None of that stuff is an issue if you have one bike you ride all the time ....
Lannis
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If I had to have one bike it'd be an Adventure bike. But I've found that that's what I like.
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Just sold the F650 today, so some of the comments in this thread hit very close to home. The F650 was/is a wonderful bike. But... I just wanted to simplify and head towards the one bike camp (hey, I got a classic car and boats and stuff to also take care of...). Oh, and I fell in love. With the v7 Classic. So, put me down for the one bike option.
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I've had more than 2 bikes at a time and it gets a bit difficult keeping them in absolute trim. I echo what Lannis had to say about re-learning a bike if you haven't ridden it for a long time and you've been riding something else. I have two Guzzi's and that is enough.
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I went through this same conversation with myself about nine months ago.
I ended up selling both my 1200 Sport and Versys-X then replaced them with the V85.
For me this bike does everything I need.
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Now I can't help looking at tourers. And dirt bikes. And mixtures. And, and... The good news is all of those thoughts vanish when I don my gear and fire up the Gray Ghost! 👻 Just planned my next 200-miler through the 'Dacks!
I can identify with this, however, in my situation my Quota is a dual sport style bike. Long travel suspension, I have givi side panniers and a really nice top box I’m about to install. So it will tour well. I don’t mind touring on an old bike, done that lots. It also handles well, so it will be good for day trips to the Smokey mountains. I’m going to be selling my Victory, I’m just done with foot forward cruisers. I’m debating about picking another bike or just focusing on the Quota. I’m mostly leaning towards just rolling the Quota till the wheels come off!
Thanks for all the insights everyone.
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It just dawned on me that I began acquiring extra bikes not long after selling the plane. When I quit flying I had a lot more time and money to redirect toward new mechanical ventures. I like not needing to hire an a&p, and can afford special tools for several brands. I can get a bike running for less than the price of an annual inspection.
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I don't know man, I think I'll always have to keep a dirt bike and street bike. :thumb:
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I have too many. If I had to narrow it down to only one, it would be my Quota. It does everything and you can load it up with groceries . Plus it's a fun ride.
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Few years ago I was very pleased to whittle down my eight bikes to six. Then a friend "forced" a Ural on me, I spent a winter refurbishing it, drove it, found that I liked it a LOT, then traded it on a brand new one. So I was up to seven (taking the space of eight). Next, a seriously ill friend really wanted me to take his nice R100, knowing that it would be in good hands. Now eight (taking the space of nine).
Six is the right number. I ride at least sixty miles every decent day and rotate the fleet, but I find that it is an effort to run my least favorite two in the bunch. I can't imagine how Jay Leno does it (well, he has people).
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Stick with the quota until it dies.You can find another Guzzi on short notice,no sense paying insurance for a bike you aren’t riding.
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Few years ago I was very pleased to whittle down my eight bikes to six. Then a friend "forced" a Ural on me, I spent a winter refurbishing it, drove it, found that I liked it a LOT, then traded it on a brand new one. So I was up to seven (taking the space of eight). Next, a seriously ill friend really wanted me to take his nice R100, knowing that it would be in good hands. Now eight (taking the space of nine).
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Six is the right number. I ride at least sixty miles every decent day and rotate the fleet, but I find that it is an effort to run my least favorite two in the bunch. I can't imagine how Jay Leno does it (well, he has people).
If the weather is decent this Saturday thinking of doing a Delallo's run. I'm hungry for a mortadella sandwich :drool:. Maybe see you there :thumb:
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For me its been hard to go to one bike, I've tried. Since they dont make one bike that does it all, I've alway had three or four bikes in the garage for different types of riding. Touring, trail riding, sport riding, local around town short errands and such. I'm currently Guzzi-less since selling my Griso a few months ago. I've also recently sold the Harley and gone in a totally different direction. I'm down to two machines and its worked out well. Though not a bike, I recently purchased the Can Am Ryker Rally Edition and I've been setting it up for 3 and 4 day trips, and for my annual trips to the Smoky Mountains.
Its much smaller, lighter and more agile than its full size brother the Spyder, you also set in it as opposed to sitting on top of the Spyder, its also shaft drive as opposed to belt drive. It's a total blast to ride and a totally different experience after riding two wheelers my whole life. I've also Kept the Kawasaki Versys X-300 to sort of scratch that two wheel itch from time to time. Its inexpensive, lightweight, gets phenomenal fuel mileage and allows me to do light trail riding. I am missing that certain Guzzi feel, (really missing it) so I am considering selling the little Versys to purchase the V85 and just keeping it down to two machines.
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Timely topic. 6 bikes here. 4 runners, 1 needs restoring, 1 needs repair. Rotating the 4 runners on the bench-- they always need something.
Honestly, I should just call Cadre and trade the lot (and money) for a V85. I don't enjoy wrenching like I used to.
I've been giving things away and throwing things away. Simplify and add lightness.
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A question for those with multiple bikes , if you use them , isn't it rather pricey to insure and plate them ? Peter
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In commiefornia. $150 per bike for the tags/plates, we get tags to put on the permanent plate (I remember when it was only about $20). It used to be they were cheap for the tags and I complained about insurance. Now insurance is the relatively cheap part at about $500 or so with the HD and EVT having full coverage and the rest liability only. The liability ones are only about $30 per year.
Tom
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I have six availabe to choos from. Two for local, slow grocery runs, two for in-state, sedate trips, and two for longer rides at slab speeds (one is a better two-up bike than the other). Yeah, I'm a weirdo. :thumb:
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Very timely thread. Never knew so many psychics posted here. My thoughts are similar.
Since I have little garage space, that acts as a governor on quantity of toys. Plus I'm just not genetically wired to be a collector. Some people are, I'm glad they are cause I enjoy looking at the cool stuff they have. I just can't own something if I am not using it periodically.
I'll probably have a Suzuki DR 650 till the day I quit riding since it does everything well, and is very tinkerable (pretty sure that is a real word).
Same for the Beta trials bike. Especially since I own suitable land. Lots of our trials club members are 60+, some in their late 70's, and one who recently gave it up at about 84. At 84, he still rode better than most.
If you haven't rode trials, give it a shot. It might be a new addiction. Great combination of relaxation, physical exercise, concentration, and motor control skills. Challenging and invigorating at the same time. Very easy to rationalize as exercise equipment. And as we get older, we all had better be working on maintaining and improving our balance. Potential medicare expense write-off?
Anyone who wants to try it, shoot me a PM. Only downside is riding a trials bike makes all other motorcycles gain dozens or even hundreds of pounds.
That would bring the bike total to 2. I could easily add one or two fiddling/tinkering bikes to that just for the recreation of that activity.
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^^ Well I'm not going to mention what we pay here in B.C ( Bring Cash) ! Peter
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I have one of each.
1 Moto Guzzi Norge for multi day high mile rides with my friends
1 Ural Patrol for short rides with my wife
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Peter please do, maybe it will make me feel better about the $151 for the EVT I just wrote a check for.
Tom
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One bike would not meet all the types of riding I enjoy. If I had to go down to one it would have to be a compromise bike which would mean adventure/dual sport type bike. It would also be new.
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I've found that 2 works. I have to have something to ride while one is broken down waiting to be worked on. 2 the same, or similar, is useful - efficient use of tools & spares. Especially if time-poor, (or a chronic procrastinator) it may well take a while to get around to fixing the broken one. If you've happened across a bike that satisfies 95% of your needs, then you're golden. If you want to get really extravagant, perhaps a 250 as well to pop up to the shops. A luxury. You seem to be enamoured of the Quota - get another one - it would be a shame not to maximise the use of your hard-earned skills.
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I have just gone from 4 to 3 and do not think I want to have any less.
1 - trials bike for trials riding (so much harder than it looks and great exercise).
2- dirt bike for dirt roads and 2 track. General off road exploration.
3 - Street bike. Must be a Guzzi.
Just a youngster here @ 63 :wink: and for the past few years have realized that I most likely will need to stop riding bikes at some point. I want to ride what I want to ride until that time comes. :bike-037:
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One word occurs to me reading this thread:
Polyamourous
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About ten years ago I felt the need for a simple dual purpose bike that could take me down any gravel road from Mexico to the Artic and I bought my first KLR650, have had two and helped both my sons find a good used model. I have had a touring bike in my garage for twenty years for two up riding, started with a Kawasaki Concours then a BMW R1150RT and now a BMW K1600 GTL. The big single dual purpose and a comfortable touring bike with hard luggage and passenger comfort are all I really need. They are vastly different machines and they each fill a role.
Then there are the old Italian nails that I have for no reason other than I like restoring them, appreciate their history and enjoy an occasional ride out in the country at a slower pace. I have kept four of the vintage bikes insured at a time, all on collector plates that I only need to register once and only have PL/PD insurance, no theft or collision. I have found keeping four on the road is too many, two would be enough. The old machines need more maintenance and eventually all of the older machines systems will require refurbishment or replacement, all of which is time consuming and can get expensive. With - and travel restrictions I have put more miles on vintage machines this year than any other year so the old machines have gotten some exercise.
I am seriously considering selling off two or three bikes next year, I just don't use them enough and I think they should get ridden. Two or three vintage bikes would be more than enough.
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11 dollars for plates, 180 full coverage, 80 for liability. Sold 4 this year and only bought 2, so i'm working on it.
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^ Holy crap , you ride for free ! Peter
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I keep trying to downsize but can’t. It seems that everyone in my area is cleaning out their garages and I can’t pass up a project. Completed bikes in the garage include an R75/5, Yamaha SR500, Norton Commando, Matchless Scrambler. Freshening up a V50, Complete G5 custom half done, R100S waiting its turn. I think my parts budget is higher than groceries. The only constants are two valve carbureted air cooled motors and no Harley’s, but that could change. I envy anyone who can own one bike.
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A question for those with multiple bikes , if you use them , isn't it rather pricey to insure and plate them ? Peter
Your answer is a resounding YES!
Insurance and tags is a considerable part of the equation.
Maintenance and repairs is a bigger part of the equation.
Add in some health issues and I'm up against it.
I've floated multiple bikes for about 15 years but I'm going to have to cut back.
It was nice while it lasted.
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Shit you guys are depressing...... :grin:
I plan on collecting these gems till I tip over.
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Ciao
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Well, the way it happens for me is:
1) Gasoline - Unless you use stabilized non-ethanol fuel all the time, fuel gets old, it varnishes carb jets, does "whatever" to fuel injectors, you either have to run it through the bikes, empty it, or clean it. Takes time, whatever.
2) Tires - Tires have to be aired up more often, bikes have to be rolled about to avoid flat spots, and tires age and harden before you can wear them out.
3) Batteries - Batteries go flat, need to be kept on a charger, and need to be changed out at intervals even if you NEVER ride the bike, just like gas and tires.
4) Special tools - I have to keep clutch pullers for 2 kinds of BSA and a Norton, fork pullers for 3 different bikes, a selection of filters that has to be kept up to date.
None of that stuff is an issue if you have one bike you ride all the time ....
Lannis
Totally agree. One bike and one car (and my utility trailer) would be optimal.
Am I a slave to all of my multiple vehicles that cry out to me: "maintain me!" or are they here to serve me?
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Totally agree. One bike and one car (and my utility trailer) would be optimal.
Am I a slave to all of my multiple vehicles that cry out to me: "maintain me!" or are they here to serve me?
Exactly.
But like any other addict, I know I SHOULD do it. I know I would probably be HAPPIER if I did it.
But do I do it? Do I sell all the bikes and buy the one Goldielocks bike that would be Just Right and live happily ever after, and bond with it and feel comfortable with it and minimize my costs and hassles?
Of course not .... Can't make myself do it. So my critical "First World Problem" plagues me forever ... :wink:
Lannis
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One word occurs to me reading this thread:
Polyamourous
Sounds like an LA hooker...
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Shit you guys are depressing...... :grin:
I plan on collecting these gems till I tip over.
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Ciao
The upside is now you know where to shop.
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I could never do with just one. From 1980 to 2001 I kept six to ten at any given time. As Lannis posted, the maintenance gets to the point where you're spending as much time wrenching to keep them all roadworthy as you are riding. Had a couple of sidecar rigs during that time, too. Absolutely need a solo to go along with a sidecar rig.
Sold all but two by 2001. Bought number three last fall. I'm good now. The Bonneville hasn't run in fifteen years and needs a complete mechanical rebuild. Winter project, perhaps.
Larry
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Expensive to have eight? Not in my case. First, I carry only liability insurance on my bikes, car, and pickup. I am of sufficient means that losing any one of them (or even all, heaven forbid!) would not be a terrible financial burden. Of course I carry very high liability limits. So my insurance only costs me an average of about $40 per year, per bike. Call it $320 per year. Considering that I have NEVER carried full-coverage insurance on anything since 1980, I have certainly saved enough money to replace any vehicle I own. (You can really only do that if you never make payments, which I never have. When I had little money I owned old used stuff.)
Registration (tags/plates) costs me $25 per year. So $200 per year.
State inspection costs $40 per year. I don't have two of them inspected and in the future may stop having any of them inspected. Yes, if I am stopped for a violation, a cop could get down on the ground to see that my sticker has expired. Even in my well-lighted garage it is very difficult for me to read some of the stickers. So say $320 per year if I obey the law.
If I lived in a state that had outrageous insurance costs or the idiocy of a personal property tax on vehicles, I guess I'd have one car and maybe two bikes. I hate fixed costs.
$840 per year to own and ride eight. Cheap.
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Expensive to have eight? Not in my case. First, I carry only liability insurance on my bikes, car, and pickup. I am of sufficient means that losing any one of them (or even all, heaven forbid!) would not be a terrible financial burden. Of course I carry very high liability limits. So my insurance only costs me an average of about $40 per year, per bike. Call it $320 per year. Considering that I have NEVER carried full-coverage insurance on anything since 1980, I have certainly saved enough money to replace any vehicle I own. (You can really only do that if you never make payments, which I never have. When I had little money I owned old used stuff.)
Registration (tags/plates) costs me $25 per year. So $200 per year.
State inspection costs $40 per year. I don't have two of them inspected and in the future may stop having any of them inspected. Yes, if I am stopped for a violation, a cop could get down on the ground to see that my sticker has expired. Even in my well-lighted garage it is very difficult for me to read some of the stickers. So say $320 per year if I obey the law.
If I lived in a state that had outrageous insurance costs or the idiocy of a personal property tax on vehicles, I guess I'd have one car and maybe two bikes. I hate fixed costs.
$840 per year to own and ride eight. Cheap.
In my state you can add Comprehensive to Liability without having to have Collision which is the most expensive of the 3 coverages. Comprehensive covers animal strikes, fire, theft, etc.
It cost me $1000 to own and ride my 4 late model bikes per year. A lot cheaper than people pay for cable TV and I get to live life instead of watch it.
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I never forgot this when I heard it many years ago... “THE MORE THINGS YOU OWN, THE MORE THEY OWN YOU.”
They all take your time and money. You just have to decide how much of either you’re willing to give up for the benefits.
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Your answer is a resounding YES!
I've floated multiple bikes for about 15 years but I'm going to have to cut back.
It was nice while it lasted.
This! They can hard to part with though. I think Buddhists call it "Clinging" and it's not a desirable trait. I have a garage full of bikes and decided to sell off a couple that mostly sit. So I thought I'd list my old 1997 Buell S1 Lighting on Bring-a-Trailer. They turned me down flat! WTF? Their OK with common Honda Nighthawks and boring Suzuki Tempters but won't accept a bike of which only 4300 give-or-take were made? I'd be surprised if there are 400 clean examples left in the country. Oh well, I tried. What's that Groucho Marx line, "I'd never join a club that would have me as a member." Guess I'll just keep it. Didn't really want to part with it anyway. Oh, wait, there's that "clinging" thing again. Damn!
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I never forgot this when I heard it many years ago... “THE MORE THINGS YOU OWN, THE MORE THEY OWN YOU.”
They all take your time and money. You just have to decide how much of either you’re willing to give up for the benefits.
Especially pets and other animals. My wife and I rarely travel together because someone has to take care of all the animals.
Bikes? Nah. I could give them up tomorrow if I couldn't afford to keep them, or it wasn't safe to ride anymore. So thankful I live where I can ride mostly deserted roads.
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This! They can hard to part with though. I think Buddhists call it "Clinging" and it's not a desirable trait. I have a garage full of bikes and decided to sell off a couple that mostly sit. So I thought I'd list my old 1997 Buell S1 Lighting on Bring-a-Trailer. They turned me down flat! WTF? Their OK with common Honda Nighthawks and boring Suzuki Tempters but won't accept a bike of which only 4300 give-or-take were made? I'd be surprised if there are 400 clean examples left in the country. Oh well, I tried. What's that Groucho Marx line, "I'd never join a club that would have me as a member." Guess I'll just keep it. Didn't really want to part with it anyway. Oh, wait, there's that "clinging" thing again. Damn!
I've never been attached to a motorcycle. I'm always looking for the next "experience" in riding. I have dumped thousands into this V7III in hopes that continually changing it, and not wanting to realize the depreciation will allow me to hang on to it for a while. Of course there are bikes I miss because they were great at that particular riding experience.
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^^ Well I'm not going to mention what we pay here in B.C ( Bring Cash) ! Peter
Does BC not have a collectors plate where you can ride several bikes using one plate that is insured.?
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When I added a 4th bike a couple years ago, my insurance bill went down... Insurance company sent me a check for about $7 for insuring 4 bikes instead of 3 :shocked:
Liability only except for Agreed Value on the V7 Sport.
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This may sound morbid, but one reason I feel I need to reduce the fleet count is, what would my wife do with all the bikes if I were to suddenly die? She wouldn't have the slightest idea what to do with them, what they might be worth, or how to go about getting rid of them. It would be just another unnecessary burden she doesn't need. If I were single, I suppose I could hang on to them forever, ridden or not. Let my executor worry about it. If it happens,I just hope other family and riding friends would pitch in and help unload them. Oh well, maybe she'll go first! :wink:
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I have thought about this for some time, came up with keep it one brand if you have to have more than one. That way you have less consumable parts to store and battery's also swap between loop frames and Tonti's, newer cycles are extremely expensive to register here also, antiques (30 or older) cost me about $120 a year, but they are only worth $800 and have a $700 deductible, you can get them appraised and insured accordingly but then you are looking @ $600 a year, and if you want to register a bunch it gets stupid expensive real quick. DonG
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This may sound morbid, but one reason I feel I need to reduce the fleet count is, what would my wife do with all the bikes if I were to suddenly die? She wouldn't have the slightest idea what to do with them, what they might be worth, or how to go about getting rid of them. It would be just another unnecessary burden she doesn't need. If I were single, I suppose I could hang on to them forever, ridden or not. Let my executor worry about it. If it happens,I just hope other family and riding friends would pitch in and help unload them. Oh well, maybe she'll go first! :wink:
Not morbid, just being responsible. I have thought about the same thing, what would my wife ever do with ten old bikes and boxes and boxes of parts?? I have a couple of friends that would hopefully step up and help liquidate the lot, my two sons might be interested in or two. I have kept detailed records of the work done to each bike, parts purchased etc. and I have paid for appraisals on most of them. Still it would be a major pain for certain to get rid of all of it. Hopefully that's not something that will have to be considered for a long time...
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This Saturday I went to an estate sale of a fellow Canadian Vintage Motorcycle Group member who was killed just before Christmas when he struck a deer while out on his sidecar rig. His daughter is left with selling a lot of motorcycles, project bikes and a load of parts, mostly Japanese stuff. Sadly a lot of the stuff will probably end up in the land fill.
Likely (hopefully?) none of us will ever see it coming, preparing for what becomes of our 'stuff' is just common sense.
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According to Peter Egan, one needs to have 5 bikes, thats the perfect number.... A sport bike, a big harley, a sport tourer, an old crock, and I cant remember what the 5th one is, maybe a dual sport?..... :grin:
Rick.
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3 bikes...seems ideal to rotate amongst, each with very different riding experience....other wise, it's the same bike or same car over and over, and that gets boring after a while.
Or 1 + X where X = the current number of running bikes in the garage, constrained of course by garage space...
or, at least the # of bikes you can ride each one at least 1 x month for a decent ride and keep them all in rotation. That means you're not dealing with charging batteries or bad gas or any other above normal maintenance items.
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Yeah, I'm a weirdo. :thumb:
I think not..
But clearly you have a wandering eye.. :wink:
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One word occurs to me reading this thread:
Polyamourous
High there Poly...
Not from Utah perchance..? :popcorn:
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Fla doesn't require insurance on m/c's
When I'm asked "why do you own more than 1 m/c?" my response is " if I'm committed to a ride & 1 doesn't start I have a spare."
Several of us discussed how many m/c's make sense. We decided on 5 depending on your personality;
1) sport
2) dual sport or dirt
3) tourer or sport tourer
4) cruiser or standard
5) a project
Six months later in Cycle World Peter Egan & a fellow Slimy Crud M/c Club member described the same conversation with the same results, 5.
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Fla doesn't require insurance on m/c's
When I'm asked "why do you own more than 1 m/c?" my response is " if I'm committed to a ride & 1 doesn't start I have a spare."
Several of us discussed how many m/c's make sense. We decided on 5 depending on your personality;
1) sport
2) dual sport or dirt
3) tourer or sport tourer
4) cruiser or standard
5) a project
Six months later in Cycle World Peter Egan & a fellow Slimy Crud M/c Club member described the same conversation with the same results, 5.
I don't need a "cruiser" or a "dirt bike", so I guess "3" is the right number for me ....
At least one has to be an ideal two-up transcontinental bike ... well, 'cause there's two of us riding that way.
The others are more optional ....
Lannis
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From 2007 to late 2017 I did not own a car.
From January 2008 to early 2011 my 08 DR650 was my only mechanical transport, life was simple and all you had to be was be motivated come maintenance time.
I did that from 1970 to 1975, but things changed and the compromises I had to make, using just a motorcycle as mechanical transport, and no car, got to be too much.
Depending on what job you have, you might be able to have just a bike, but if you have to look like something when you get to work, and can't bail because of snow or ice or storms, or have to carry customers or tools, or run back and forth across town to meetings, then there's going to be a four-wheeler in the picture.
Then there's baby seats, and Little League teams, and family vacation trips, and ... and ....
I've seen guys do it, and more power to them, but even though I occasionally pick some strange hills to defend and die on because of principle, that wasn't one of them!
Lannis
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Can’t justify 5 different bikes for 5 different riding styles at this point in my life. Frankly I never rode enough “different” styles when I had 7.
I remember it was simpler when the 'Ol 69 Bonny did everything, albeit with leaks, crappy electronics and all. Still, nice to have so many options these days.
Thinking seriously about getting down to one.
SO, a V85 or a Triumph 1200XC Scrambler?
What say you?
inditx
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Way back in the day before common sense and comfort were part of the equation, I kept 3 different bikes on the road and managed to live without a car, even though my riding season was only about 6 mths.
A decent dirt bike, a Yamaha XT500 and later an IT400.
A lighter sporty style bike for curvy backroads, a Yamaha RD400 and later an SR500.
A fully faired & bagged,comfortable highway/road bike, a Kawasaki KZ900 and later a Yamaha XS1100.
Fast forward to today, I still have the same mindset, but the outrageously high insurance costs, in the province of Ontario Canada, is an obstacle as to what I can actually ride on the road.
The "buy in" prices for used guzzis is so relatively cheap, I can (and do)own a fleet of them, of many different flavours, and my total cash outlay would be about half the price of a new fully dressed HD or BMW out the dealer's door, but insuring them is another story.
I could cry when I see some of the low amounts others here are paying for insurance, up here north of the 49th, simple liability insurance is usually very close to $1K a bike.
One aspect of the multi bike scenario that I like about guzzis a lot, are the common mechanical designs. The CARCs, spine frames and tontis all have their differences, but having the same 2 valve big block as a foundation, it sure simplifies things as an owner.
I could make do with only one bike, but I'm glad I have options.lol :evil:
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Multiple bikes are an enjoyable and rewarding part of my life. I have nine including a 100 cc dirt bike and one based in Europe. Given that several of them are collector bikes ridden infrequently that’s OK with me. Liability insurance is $380/year for all of them, so $1100 combined annual registration tax has become the bigger issue, although not enough to affect my behavior so far. There are maybe two or three that I would sell without huge remorse, given a reason.
Picking one would make my heart bleed.
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Before I retired I had two bikes, one Piaggio MP-3 for commuting and a Tiger 1050 for all else. Just before I retired I sold the Tiger and bought a V7 for general riding around, I found I didn't like the high rev'ing Triumph as much so went for the Moto Guzzi. After retirement I sold the MP-3 but quickly bought a 2015 Stelvio to keep alongside my V7 but as time went on I was getting antzy that I wasn't riding the V7 enough and the V85 had just been released for test riding and once I rode it I knew I was going to sell both the Stelvio and V7 and get down to one bike. And that is where I sit today, happy to have the V85 which suits me just fine for my riding. I don't expect I'll buy another bike.
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SO, a V85 or a Triumph 1200XC Scrambler?
What say you?
inditx
I say that I have a 2009 Stelvio and a 2014 Triumph Trophy 1215, I like both of them, they both do the same things, and if circumstances declared that I had to get rid of one of them, I'd just about have to flip a coin!
Lannis
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I'm seriously considering downsizing my fleet of 9 bikes. I never meant to have this many but I can't pass up a good deal. But I seem to work on the bikes more then I ride these days. I just got done putting a 351 kit in the KLX250 after it ate a valve for some unknown reason and it doesn't want to run, the Centauro forks just started leaving puddles on the floor, the Buell is running hotter then normal, the F7 175 oil pump ain't pumping, the XL125 doesn't like to start when hot or just stalls and will not start for a while. The Eldo drips a little and Lemans sits in a corner. My wife says sell everything and buy a new Honda. I'm not that desperate yet but when I was at the Suzuki Kawasaki dealer yesturday getting jets for the KLX they did have a 650 Vstrom for a real good price, very tempting. I would have to keep a Guzzi,a tiddler and a dual sport and I'm not sure if I could part with the Uly.
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I cannot "justify" even having a motorcycle. Practicality, convenience, cost of ownership and safety wise a modest car/truck make for a much better means of transportation.
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I cannot "justify" even having a motorcycle. Practicality, convenience, cost of ownership and safety wise a modest car/truck make for a much better means of transportation.
In that sense of "justify", then almost NO ONE, except certain city dwellers, can justify having a motorcycle and no car.
Lannis
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In that sense of "justify", then almost NO ONE, except certain city dwellers, can justify having a motorcycle and no car.
Lannis
When I lived in Florida my motorcycle was my primary transportation, with a $100 15 year old rain car. Then when married she had a car and I had a bike. When kids came along we got her a new car (4 door, AC) and I had my bike and her 8 year old car with no AC.
Bikes were cheap to run in Florida back then. No insurance, cheap plates.
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One of the reasons ADV bikes have become so popular is they offer a solution to the "One vs. Multiple Bike" dilemma. Most of them are comfortable, handle well, carry passengers and luggage well, have decent power, and the ability to at least manage gravel roads if not a lot more. For now, I have 2 bikes, but if I ever decide to have just one it will be an ADV style bike.
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Bikes were cheap to run in Florida back then. No insurance, cheap plates.
Bikes were dirt cheap to run anywhere when I were a lad; if they weren't, my constantly broke self couldn't have ridden one all over the East Coast.
A new bike that would go anywhere on any highway any time cost $700 new or $500 used, which was 200 hours of wages for me at the time, about the same as a cheap bike today. Our 250s and 350s got 60 MPG, JC Whitney tires were $9.00 each, we cleaned spark plugs, used whatever oil, cut chain off of a roll at the International Harvester dealer ... it was by a long chalk the cheapest way to get around. Not any more; some things have gotten really expensive (like tires) - some things we just don't want to put up with any more, although we were willing back then when we were tough and resilient and didn't know any better ... !
Lannis
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In that sense of "justify", then almost NO ONE, except certain city dwellers, can justify having a motorcycle and no car.
Lannis
Even city dwellers could justify mass transit moreso than a motorcycle. Storage and security are certianly not justifyable.
Good thing I don't have to justify what i consider are toys/hobbies.
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We are getting to the 1 bike mode. Wife sold her GS -650, 01 Bonny & T-160 along with my T-160 3 summers ago.
Her back and left hand carpel was time, she now has a nice 08 comfy, 16" wheels 150cc scooter belt CV. start turn twister and go.This winter we will work on moving the rest of the herd. We are both in our mid-60's and I can get by with just my 03 Bonny roadster. Just a fun all round bike!!
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We are getting to the 1 bike mode. Wife sold her GS -650, 01 Bonny & T-160 along with my T-160 3 summers ago.
Her back and left hand carpel was time, she now has a nice 08 comfy, 16" wheels 150cc scooter belt CV. start turn twister and go.This winter we will work on moving the rest of the herd. We are both in our mid-60's and I can get by with just my 03 Bonny roadster. Just a fun all round bike!!
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Yep! I got to 2 bike mode after a couple years of selling stuff off with the intent of getting down and staying with two and only two bikes. The day I delivered bikes 3 and 4 to the seller was a proud day. Came home to only two bikes in the garage ample space and cash in my pocket. One week later I was up to 3 bikes not back up to 5. I've been down to 4 bikes 3 times this year.
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Even city dwellers could justify mass transit moreso than a motorcycle. Storage and security are certianly not justifyable.
I've lived in a city a couple times in my life (not that I wanted to, but you go where the work is). Both times I did not own a car, but did own a bike. In Atlanta, I had a little tiny covered area behind a locked door to keep the bike in that came with the apartment, so that worked out OK. Wasn't really secure, anyone could have busted the door lock, cut the Krypton lock to the water pipe, and gotten away with the bike, but it would have had to have been a determined person with tools.
In Denver, there was a covered area in a parking lot, no room for a car but a bike fit.
Both places, the buses and trains were good and I only used the bike for when I was getting out of town for some reason. If I had to go back to a city for any reason (and the contingency is relatively remote at my time of life), I'd probably do the same thing. Just part of the cost of living there, but I could certainly justify it in every sense.
Lannis
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I've lived in a city a couple times in my life (not that I wanted to, but you go where the work is). Both times I did not own a car, but did own a bike.
For the decade I worked in Manhattan, I couldn't justify the cost of parking so for six months of each year stored my car with relatives in New Jersey. I walked to work or used public transport, and had the bike to use on summer evenings and weekend trips out of town. Parking the bike was free in the bikes-only lot across the street in Madison Square, or under the viaduct south of Grand Central Station -- though once in awhile the sidecovers or mirrors were stolen (once, my license plate). From November to April I needed the car for skiing so I sprang for the garage space and could park the bike in the same slot. All I can say is that the job justified the hassle, and the bike filtered the dating pool. Someone needs to start a thread on the differences between girlfriends who like to ride pillion and those who won't go near a bike.
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I really enjoy having my V7 and a DR 650. It lets me ride almost any road in my area. I typically alternate each ride between them. If it has rained hard and the creeks are high I will bypass the DR and stay on the street with the V7. A bike capable of handling the interstate slab would be nice, but I really don't do that, so it's not needed. A Norge would be nice tho just in case...
If I had to go down to just one bike, a V85, Honda AT or Suzuki 1050 would work for me. I could still do gravel roads with those. I would probably go with the AT or 1050 due to them having tubeless rims, but the V85 looks great. :thumb:
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i've got way too many bikes , and probably half a dozen ready for use.
i use a guzzi for daily transport.
Cars are no fun , but i've got one for shopping and pulling trailers.
Why multiple bikes? because i own them anyway , running multiple bikes cost about the same as doing all the miles on one bike.
being old, they dont depreciate, and i dont need the money right now.
so the le mans is used a couple of times a year, the ducati bevel even less.
i can live with that.
in the future i might get rid of the project bikes, i rarely have time to spend on restoring bikes.
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For me, multiple bikes have always been a thing. Back in the 80's I had 3 XS1100's. One was 100% 79 Stock Special, one a 78 was set up with the Factory Windjammer and Yamaha Touring Seat and bags, and one a 79 Special I pulled out of the junkyard ended as a highly modified bike with custom paint (bright metallic dark green), big bore kit, jetted carbs, flat track bar, sport shield, welded frame bracing, custom fork brace style Kerker Exhaust. This was in my 20's and 30's when I was raising my family and penny pinching. Running multiple old bikes meant 'donor insurance coverage' and MAYBE swapping one plate across the herd ;-)
I still have my original XS11, and an XS750 that have been stored since 2013. I also have 4 Guzzi's on the road. The Entry price and garage space are the main issues for me. Thankfully, I have been fortunate to stumble on abandoned or very cheap bikes and cars. Once grabbed an XS650 for $50. Fresh gas and fluids and a tuneup, and I sold it for $4000.
When it comes to running costs, IMO, it is not much different than running one bike. Tires, brakes, plugs, gear oil, and filters are all determined by mileage. However many miles you ride a year will determine when all that is replaced, so barring mechanical failure, it is EQUAL no matter how many bikes you have. I do an annual oil change regardless of miles, usually at the end of the season to help with acids and gunk in the oil sitting over the winter, but everything else washes for the most part.
Insurance cost could be a concern, but I have 3 (07 Griso, 08 1200S, 76 Convert) on Haggerty. I think it is less than $200 a year on all 3 with full coverage including roadside. I have the Stornello on Geico, as it is my daily rider, commuter, etc. I have comprehensive and roadside, no collision, and it costs $126 a year. Other than my misguided MGX purchase which I was fortunate to sell with no loss, the Stornello is the most I have ever spent on a bike ($6000 from XPS in Accident Maryland).
I really like what I have at this time, and bike for every mood or riding style.
- Stornello - daily commuter, all road touring and back/dirt/gravel/off road plunking
- Convert - Magic Carpet ride laid back cruising and long distance touring
- Griso - Thug Canyon Carver hard core riding
- 1200 Sport - Long Distance Sport Touring
But it varies from person to person. I have always had a 'project fund' I run all my MC and Car costs through it. Makes it easy to decide what I can and can not afford. When I was younger and raising my family, I would flip a project or two a year for max profit to fund the account. I still do that on occasion. Having put all the kids through college, my 'allowance' has a bit more headroom, but retirement is looming, so I have stuck to the same $100 per paycheck allotment into the hobby fund the last 4 years.
If I HAD to go to one, it would be the Stornello or 1200 Sport. I ride those most and are the most versatile. I would hate to get rid of the Griso or Convert.
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I do think of selling all my bikes and buying a V85TT, that's if anyone would buy them, and really you by a new bike in a few years it's just another old bike.
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There’s always buyers but patience is key when selling them for sure.
Good luck either way Steven C.
inidtx
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I do think of selling all my bikes and buying a V85TT, that's if anyone would buy them, and really you by a new bike in a few years it's just another old bike.
I guess that depends. There are quite a few bikes out there that have been virtually unchanged over 20 years. So is a DRZ400S from 2020 an old bike since it is the same as 2001 DRZ400S? Or is a well cared for 2001 DRZ400S just as new as a 2020? Many more examples.
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With five (old but fettled) bikes I spent more time maintaining this month than riding. Installed a Dyna III on the Mille, changed fluids & filters on the F650, installed an Amal Premier on the TR6R, replaced the fork tubes, tires, chain and sprockets, oil & filter on the dirt bike. Only had to put gas in the T.
So now I'm thinking all I really need is a Tonti for the road and a light dual-sport for everything else. The too-tall XR350 goes first. It's hard to part with the others, who are all friends.
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For some decades the T was my only ride. Someone gave me the basket-case Triumph but I waited for retirement to get it running. Meanwhile the T got drowned and I began buying bikes to ride while rebuilding both the T and the TR6. Eventually wound up with the F650 and then the Mille, just because I missed Tonti handling.
Realistically the F650 is a pretty good all-around bike -- reasonable weight (400 lb), comfortable for two-up trips up to two hours (which is all Gail can tolerate), manageable on freeways, twisties and dirt roads. But the Triumph and T are so much fun to ride and the Mille is such a capable touring machine.
I'll be 72 this month and while I'm fit that also means I'm skinny (148 lb). Eventually the Mille will be too heavy. Eventually long-distance riding will be a happy memory. When I simplify, I may wind up with the T for pavement day trips and a 250 dual-sport for forest service roads.
I hope I’ve got the balls to ride like you do @ 72 years mate..
You will henceforce go into the world and be known throughout the land as Testarossarone... :bow: :thumb:
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I hope I’ve got the balls to ride like you do @ 72 years mate..
Half of that is a wife who likes to ride pillion.
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To me the largest single downside to having multiple bikes is the room needed to keep them.
Right now I have four Guzzis ('74 Eldo, '85 Lemans, '87 SP II and a '91 Cal big valve), a 2000 RK police bike, a '40 Indian 640-B, and two projects: '41 Indian 841 and a Ducati 450 RT.
All four Guzzis run as do the RK and the '40 Indian. I have been informed that I can't sell the RK until after my father-in-law passes away (it was his bike for 19 years).
I'm thinking seriously about selling the Ducati project since I'm getting into the other Indian and need the room.
I'd be hard pressed to sell any of the Guzzis (bought the SPII new, and have had the Eldo since 1993), won't sell the 640 (it was the first and only Indian I've restored and the only one I've ever ridden. It is an absolute joy.
The only bike I really want to add is a Chief, either a '44/'45 Essential Use Chief, a military 340B or a '46.
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For me acquiring, learning about and fixing up older bikes is my relaxation. It’s hard to own fewer than four or five as there are some I won’t sell at all, some I won’t sell yet, at least one current project and one or two waiting in the wings. Add to that a stray dog or two that just needs a little love and a good home, hopefully not at a loss.
Ben
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So I’m thinking of going back to just one bike.
Cheers, Robert
I have done the multiple bike thing. Had had up to three at the same time and found I was in a never ending cycle of maintenance. Just because you ride a bike less (2/3 less as in owning three bikes) doesn't mean any one of those only needs 2/3 of the maintenance. Each one, regardless of riding frequency requires 100% maintenance. Setting in a garage is not much different compared to daily riding for maintenance requirements.
I am down to one, my California 1400.
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A question for those with multiple bikes , if you use them , isn't it rather pricey to insure and plate them ? Peter
YES.
Although you can get a multiple bike discount with most insurance companies it costs more to insure two than one (more for three, more for four, etc.)
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Hmmm......... must be something wrong with me as I'm still hunting for the next pristine Goose to add to the small herd collecting :thumb:
Ciao
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I have done the multiple bike thing. Had had up to three at the same time and found I was in a never ending cycle of maintenance. Just because you ride a bike less (2/3 less as in owning three bikes) doesn't mean any one of those only needs 2/3 of the maintenance. Each one, regardless of riding frequency requires 100% maintenance. Setting in a garage is not much different compared to daily riding for maintenance requirements.
I am down to one, my California 1400.
Totally agree. When I had three, they owned me. Took my time to maintain when I could be out riding.
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THREE!! I felt that when I got up to seven!!
I am down to three now
My old BSA that I have owned for 47 years and about 120000 miles (it aint going anywhere!!)
A new "reliable" modern bike currently a V85.... Adventure bikes seem a lot more comfortable these days
A project, currently a Yamaha Tenere 3AJ about halfway rebuilt
If I dont have a project I end up spending too much money on farkles for the new bike
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You need to have the right tool for the job. So...
Big long distance sport touring bike
Middle weight more sporty touring bike (and for Debra to ride when we travel)
Adventure bike
Sporty roadster
Little dual sport
Got most of the bases covered. :bike-037:
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Fla doesn't require insurance on m/c's
If you don't have JackSh*t then this is a plus, but at $60 bucks for some liability insurance it doesn't seem so wise to be exposed to whatever may happen down the road.
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I’m down to two bikes, from a high of seven previously. The CB1100 is now gone so I’m left with my F800GT and R1200RT, which is fine. But now that I’ve got space in my garage for more bikes, I must force myself to look away and not be tempted to buy something else. The two-bike solution seems quite liberating at the moment, plus I’m no longer able to put on the miles like I used to.
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YES.
Although you can get a multiple bike discount with most insurance companies it costs more to insure two than one (more for three, more for four, etc.)
Well, not necessarily. I had 3 bikes and sold 1. When I called my insurance agent (Allstate) to inform them of the sale, they said my rate would go up because I would no longer be eligible for some level of multi vehicle discount. They agreed to ignore the fact that I called, and to this day I still have 3 bikes insured even though I only own 2.
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Well, just checking back in. I got my big Victory all fixed up and haven’t even listed it for sale. I do have a trade lined up for a Triumph Trophy 900 triple. I’ll post back when/if that trade happens.
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Currently got 3 bikes and I'm often tempted to get more but, really I don't get enough riding time on each as it is, and as I do all my own maintenance/repairs then 3 is plenty.
I could manage with just one but which one? :undecided:
Besides as they're all Italian bikes I'll always need a spare.... :wink:
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Pulled the trigger on trading my victory for a Triumph. Guess I’m not going down to one bike yet. :afro:
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You are going to love that 900 triple!
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You are going to love that 900 triple!
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I have this quote taped to my garage wall, "You can't have too many motorcycles, just too many batteries!" Peter Egan
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Right now I have 13. Some days its to many, somedays its just right, other days not enough. So I am not the person to ask.
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Right now I have 13. Some days its to many, somedays its just right, other days not enough. So I am not the person to ask.
I am at 3 bikes now but I always ask my friend with 7-8 if I should get another. :thumb: :evil:
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I need a bigger trailer.
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It was nice to have one for the curves, and one for the forest roads with me at the same time.
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