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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: bad Chad on December 11, 2020, 05:08:54 PM
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Just for fun. Don't give into the need to justify why you don't like where you are, just tell us where you would be if you had whatever reasonable resourcesneeded to be there. Everything plays a part, geography, present governments, climate and so on. For this exercise you can't change what is, and where it is.
For much of my life I thought I would never want to leave the nation of my birth, it's huge, and offers tremendous variation, and there is much that holds me within it's boarders, mostly family. But now, I think there are many wonderful places that would be better for me to set up shop. I'm going to cheat a bit, since I started this, and not say yey, I would first like to hear your thoughts. Just for fun.
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Well they say the grass is always greener on the other side. For me I would have to consider New Zealand. It has lots of green grass. It also had a reputation for being like Australia but about 10 years behind, which was very appealing. Also at the moment they appear to have their shit in a pile. I am from Australia so it makes it a bit hard to find somewhere better :grin:.
Steve
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New Zealand - no explanation required.
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I know a couple from Portland OR that retired and moved to a lake community in Mexico. I was told the cost of living, climate, quality of life and healthcare are outstanding.
I've looked at apartment prices in the South of France, Spanish Coast and Portugal and all seem affordable with climate and healthcare as well.
Many have mentioned Costa Rica as great place to move.
I am more interested in Uruguay which is perhaps the most progressive country in the world.
Canada is a logical choice but it's close enough to the US that it could be invaded and ex-patriots hunted down.
The Netherlands is perhaps the most logical place on earth but I have no idea what the language is about. Housing is expensive.
Then there are New Zealand and Australia, I understand immigration is quite difficult to both. Some of the practical drawbacks are language and driving rules. Some countries drive on the left side of the road and I have no idea what language they speak in Australia or how to learn it.
For now I'll stick where I am at. But with the world the way it is, yes, I've considered moving over the last few years.
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For a few years after I met my eventual Master Sculptor, I planned to follow his advice and go to Italy to study stone sculpture at a state school like he did. He spent 4 yrs in Italy and loves to talk up the experience. He said to skip the Italian lessons because the local dialect would be different. Just go and do it. That's how I traveled around the USA as a chef, so I made a lot of tentative arrangements to go Italy for a few years.
Then I realized that I wanted to carve granite (more than marble), that granite sculpture is a 100% USA tradition and that the Italians came here to do that because the center/colony for modern granite sculpture had been in VT for the previous 100+ yrs So I just went home to the farm in VT & a few miles over the hill to his studio. Then 9/11 changed a lot of the free-wheeling travel stuff.
There are some friends in AU that I would like to visit someday, but we're perfectly happy at home. Both my wife and I are tired of living around & traveling.
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I would live somewhere in Italy, as my grandparents came from there. No explanation required! :wink: :cool: :thumb:
Grandfather came from Setsi-Romano, (near Rome), and Grandmother came from Ancona, on the Adriatic Sea. :thumb:
The weather, the culture, the history, the FOOD and WINE, the ocean, and of course, I would import my Centauro GT! :wink: :cool: :smiley:
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I have thought about southern Italy or southern France but my account tells me that for Canadians moving to Costa Rica is very popular as it has universal health care similar to Canada and property owners can acquire it, I would still keep a place in Canada and plan on staying here for at least 5 months if the year to retain my Canadian health coverage. Have also considered Baja California particularly Loreto, nice quiet seaside town. I sold my place in Phoenix this spring, loved Arizona but it was time for a change, need to get near the ocean.
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Colorado high country in the summer and maybe southern Arizona in the winter. I have no desire to live anywhere other that the good old USA for now. Hoping the best for our future but I am concerned. But at 60, I won't be concerned long :grin: :thumb:
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The Wife and I spent 10 days in New Zealand 2 years ago. Amazing place. Add me to the Wannabee Kiwi list.
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I’ve never been off the N American continent because I have an issue with flying. That being said, I hope to see a little more of my country.
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Ireland Scotland Italy or Greece in a heart beat.
I tell my wife all the time that I am going to disappear and become a local village handyman on the Dingle or Peloponnese Peninsula, or the Isle of Skye......
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I'd pick south America - WV, TN or NC.
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I'm another wannabe NZ guy if I "really" had a choice. Costa Rica would be second. That said, I'm old, and not about to pick up stakes and move.
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My home town, Bari in Puglia.
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North Italy. Hillside with small two room house.
Two olive trees.
Because three would be work.
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In my country I am politically incorrect and would move to the US in a shot.
I would have when I was younger but things did not come together and being older and more feeble now, the opportunity has passed. Too bad about that but I have had a great time on motorcycles instead after getting some, "Do it while you can", advice and as for the PI thing, I have made the absolute most of that too, given political limitations here. So, America would be the place for me in spite of its flaws :grin:
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Georgia (Sakhartsvelo). The most beautiful country I've ever travelled. The most hospitable & friendly indigenous population: visitors are genuinely & almost universally considered "a gift from God". Over 8000 years of producing some of the world's great wines. Some of the most beautiful men & women that I've ever seen.
A tiny country of dramatic contrasts. About the same size as my native island of Tasmania, yet with Europe's tallest mountain range, glaciers & some of the largest ski fields, subtropical rainforests, & semi-desert. Surrounded by some 50 odd separate & distinct ethnolinguistic populations, yet retaining its own cultural identity with over 2500 years+ of recorded history, & about 1.8 million years of human habitation.
Who wouldn't love a country where the highest form of achievement for young men to aspire is to perform in the national ballet! Where kings and generals are less revered than a medieval poet: almost every town of any size in the country has a Rustaveli High Street! Where despite countless invasions, wars, sackings, pillaging, enslavement & slaughter (over 250 times) their cultural identity is stronger than ever. Not even Timur the Lame, who managed to destroy some of the world's most powerful civilisations of the time & murder some 5% of the global population could occupy or enslave them, despite trying to do so on no less than 8 separate occasions!
Some of the world's most "challenging" biker's roads too, with multiple sealed & unsealed heavily switchbacked high mountain passes.
I've travelled to a mere 40 odd different countries in my life, but Georgia is the one that resonates in my consciousness. I long to return.
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I'd pick south America - WV, TN or NC.
But do you speak the language?
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I would go to Tahiti with a Way-Back machine and set it a life time before Pedro Fernando de Queros, a Spanish navigator, discovered the island in 1607. Otherwise, I am stay put. :azn:
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For those serious about this subject....
I have lived outside the States for the past 12 years mostly between 3 different countries but I am still a US citizen .
Those of you folks that are thinking of moving out of the US, think real hard about it, and I suggest you acquire copy of the US constitution and read the "bill of rights" part because its a very important and unique to the US.
If you become a citizen of another country your going to lose those rights.
I don't know how important you might think this is but to me its the most important thing.
FWIW
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Tasmania would suit me very well. I spent a week in the northern end some years ago.
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Wandering nomad. Always searching for new roads and new experiences.
Never understood going to the same place every vacation.
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I came very close to immigrating to Iceland back in the oughts. To be honest, if I had the money, I would leave tomorrow.
I could live on a diet of fish, some of the women are strikingly beautiful and the people are generally very intelligent. I could deal with the weather better than I could a hotter clime. The interior roads are almost all gravel and there is a surreal quality to the countryside that I find calming.
It's like no place I've ever been.
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My family, and my wife (separately) chose to come to the US... and we think it’s the best place in the world to be all you can be.
Once you’re done being all you can be and are living off the proceeds of a few decades of productive work in the US, there are many nice places to enjoy. I like the Sudtirol or Alto Adige region of Italy where German and Italian are both spoken. We may spend summers there in the future, at least a couple of them.
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For those serious about this subject....
I have lived outside the States for the past 12 years mostly between 3 different countries but I am still a US citizen .
Those of you folks that are thinking of moving out of the US, think real hard about it, and I suggest you acquire copy of the US constitution and read the "bill of rights" part because its a very important and unique to the US.
If you become a citizen of another country your going to lose those rights.
I don't know how important you might think this is but to me its the most important thing.
FWIW
That would be of BIG TIME importance to this redneck! Good advice Mike!
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I lived in 7 US states, some of them multiple times and in multiple locations. I've traveled to all 50 US states and 7 other countries. No interest in leaving American (US) soil for good or even for a 'few years'. As was mentioned earlier, the US Constitution and the Bill of Rights are unique in the world. We've certainly lost our way due to the nature of men when they get power. But still, I'm not at all interested in leaving. Throughout the United States you can find nearly any climate, any conditions, any standard of living etc etc etc you could nearly anywhere else on the planet. There's a reason people break into, not out of, the United States.
After living in the Chicago area for 11 years, moving to southern Tennessee is like 'living in another land'. If we had a Lou Malnati's for pizza and a Portillo's, it would be perfect.
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Lake Cuomo
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My wife and I could live anywhere but have no desire to be anywhere then where we are..... within the lower 48! If it gets too hot, we go north. When it gets too cold we go south. I've lived and traveled in many states for 60+ years and still have not see it all.
Nobody says it better then Lee Greenwood!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0_p7eW5BUpA&list=RD0_p7eW5BUpA&index=1
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Bhutan .
Dusty
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I tell my wife all the time that I am going to disappear and become a local village handyman on the Dingle or Peloponnese Peninsula, or the Isle of Skye......
At first read I thought you wanted to live on the Isle of Skype, and I thought " That should be easy enough to do ... "
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"Just for fun. Don't give into the need to justify why you don't like where you are, just tell us where you would be if you had whatever reasonable resourcesneeded to be there. Everything plays a part, geography, present governments, climate and so on. For this exercise you can't change what is, and where it is. "
I'll never leave the USA. IF the great Fairy Godcamel left me a huge pile of shekles, and I wanted to escape for awhile:
Easy. Switzerland. The German speaking part. Pristine. Very low crime rate. Roads, clinics, standard of living all very high. It's the crossroads of Europe, so lots of interesting visitors passing through, and also very easy to get around using public transport. Most everyone speaks English, along the tourist or diplomatic trail. They have a stabile currency not dependent on the EU. Not the most sociable place in the world, but I'm not a social butterfly anyway. They don't get tangled up in wars, and the entire world comes to their doorstep to do business, diplomacy, charitable work, technology. Never run out of things to see, great roads, and a train ride away most anything in Europe.
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Gondwanaland. :grin:
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I know a couple from Portland OR that retired and moved to a lake community in Mexico. I was told the cost of living, climate, quality of life and healthcare are outstanding.
I've looked at apartment prices in the South of France, Spanish Coast and Portugal and all seem affordable with climate and healthcare as well.
Many have mentioned Costa Rica as great place to move.
I am more interested in Uruguay which is perhaps the most progressive country in the world.
Canada is a logical choice but it's close enough to the US that it could be invaded and ex-patriots hunted down.
The Netherlands is perhaps the most logical place on earth but I have no idea what the language is about. Housing is expensive.
Then there are New Zealand and Australia, I understand immigration is quite difficult to both. Some of the practical drawbacks are language and driving rules. Some countries drive on the left side of the road and I have no idea what language they speak in Australia or how to learn it.
For now I'll stick where I am at. But with the world the way it is, yes, I've considered moving over the last few years.
The last time you tried that it didn't go too well lol
Huzo will be along shortly haha
I think it's referred to as the Queen's English
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New Zealand (but it so far, I would be worried about earthquakes, immigration policy is said to be pretty tight).
Norway. Might end there. I'm opposite totally free to go Norway even as it does not belong to EU. Since 1950's citizens of Nordic countries have had full rights to travel, move, study, work, live in another Nordic countries .... totally freely / just like that. And I'm already citizen of two of those :smiley:.
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My wife and I could live anywhere but have no desire to be anywhere then where we are..... within the lower 48! If it gets too hot, we go north. When it gets too cold we go south. I've lived and traveled in many states for 60+ years and still have not see it all.
Nobody says it better then Lee Greenwood!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0_p7eW5BUpA&list=RD0_p7eW5BUpA&index=1
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My wife and I could live anywhere but have no desire to be anywhere then where we are..... within the lower 48! If it gets too hot, we go north. When it gets too cold we go south. I've lived and traveled in many states for 60+ years and still have not see it all.
Nobody says it better then Lee Greenwood!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0_p7eW5BUpA&list=RD0_p7eW5BUpA&index=1
AMEN!
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AMEN!
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Ideally, I'd live in New Zealand or Australia from October through April, and in Switzerland or Austria from April through October. I hate the short days of late fall and winter, and crazy longer days during that time.
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Haven't traveled overseas that much, but so far, I would have to say New Zealand (south island)
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The last time you tried that it didn't go too well lol
Huzo will be along shortly haha
I think it's referred to as the Queen's English
:grin:
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No idea what the Ozzies speak , the Kiwi I see ever year informs us the Ozzies are just making it up as they go along anyway :laugh:
Dusty
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I'm currently looking for the door and the Principality of Sealand is at the top of my list.
https://sealandgov.org/
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You can buy a piece of Sealand and become a citizen but your title needs be renewed every ten years. Living there is basically as a guest of the royal family is a tenuous proposition.
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I know a couple from Portland OR that retired and moved to a lake community in Mexico. I was told the cost of living, climate, quality of life and healthcare are outstanding.
Sounds like the Portland of 50 years ago.. Or at least the area's around Portland.
My Neighbor spends 6 months in Central Oregon, and 6 months in Mexico
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Mandello takes the prize for me..
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Just like Como but more peaceful.
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The shores of Lake Geneva to kayak the summer away. Then ride the Guzzi to the boot heel of Italy on the Aegean sea and motorboat through the winter.
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No idea what the Ozzies speak , the Kiwi I see ever year informs us the Ozzies are just making it up as they go along anyway :laugh:
Dusty
We antipodeans don't really speak much at all. Principally just a range of grunts & hand gestures. As for which side of the road we drive.... most of us have never learned to drive very well at all, so just about anything goes. In fact much of the southern continent doesn't have roads at all. Just Camel & Dingo tracks.
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Tasmania would suit me very well. I spent a week in the northern end some years ago.
Should you find the wherewithal & occasion to return, I'm more than happy to accomodate you & yours in my humble abode @ Hawley Beach on the north coast.
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We antipodeans don't really speak much at all. Principally just a range of grunts & hand gestures. As for which side of the road we drive.... most of us have never learned to drive. In fact much of the southern continent doesn't have roads at all. Just Camel & Dingo tracks.
When we use a mate’s name, we end it with “o”....
David = Dave = Davo
Damien = Damo
Steven=Steve =Stevo
Wayne =Wayno
Hughes = Hughsie = Huzo...(that one’s actually real)...etc..etc..
When you ask an Aussie a question, he will answer in the reverse sense..
“How are you Damo?”
“Not bad..”
“How bad is your crashed bike?”
“Not good”
“Nice day”
“Yeah you’re not wrong”
“I bought an OHC ‘07 Norge”
“That’s not right”....
A common expression of a fervent affirmative response =‘cnoath
A belligerent drunk asking you why you are paying him attention = “chafaaarrglooknattyacarn”...(PM required for that one...) :wink:
Hello = “ ‘day mate”
Goodbye = “ooroo”
Very tired = rooted
And all that stuff...
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You can buy a piece of Sealand and become a citizen but your title needs be renewed every ten years. Living there is basically as a guest of the royal family is a tenuous proposition.
The website offers some interesting ideas. Just saying....
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Having grown up as an Air Force Brat I'd have to say returning to Germany would likely be my logical choice.
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We antipodeans don't really speak much at all. Principally just a range of grunts & hand gestures. As for which side of the road we drive.... most of us have never learned to drive very well at all, so just about anything goes. In fact much of the southern continent doesn't have roads at all. Just Camel & Dingo tracks.
Watching Essie Davis in Miss Fisher's mysteries as we speak , never actually any trouble understanding her :thumb:
Dusty
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Haven't traveled overseas that much, but so far, I would have to say New Zealand (south island)
This man says it all! :thumb:
Every time we have traveled we have thoroughly loved it, but it ain't as good as home. So there we have it folks. I don't want to live anywhere else except the South Island of New Zealand. :thumb:
For those that want to live in Ozzie just remember, "if it's not trying to eat you it's trying to kill you". Their Drop Bears are lethal!
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Nahanni valley , in the Canadian Rockies but it has some bad ju ju.
https://youtu.be/Nb7riuu2yTE
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For those that want to live in Ozzie just remember, "if it's not trying to eat you it's trying to kill you". Their Drop Bears are lethal!
But are they as prolific as the Pacific Northwest Tree Octopus?
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Just so you Ozzies know , we get a fair few of you coming thru Oklahoma doing the RT 66 tour , and one of the favorite stops is a motorbike museum between here and my older sister's place in central Oklahoma . Have met several of your countrymen at the museum , and like Will Rogers , haven't met one I didn't like .
Same with your cousins across the ditch .
Dusty
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Have met several of your countrymen at the museum , and like Will Rogers , haven't met one I didn't like .
That’s refreshingly surprising Dusty.
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New Zealand. South Island.
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Having grown up as an Air Force Brat I'd have to say returning to Germany would likely be my logical choice.
I was on active duty in the Marine Corps during a good portion of the 80s. Two years of that time were spent in Iwakuni, Japan. I now work in Great Lakes, IL as a DOD Civilian. A few years back in Japan would suit me nicely. It would be my chance to check out the "big 4" factories / museums as I wasn't into bikes back then.
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New Zealand (but it so far, I would be worried about earthquakes, immigration policy is said to be pretty tight).
Norway. Might end there. I'm opposite totally free to go Norway even as it does not belong to EU. Since 1950's citizens of Nordic countries have had full rights to travel, move, study, work, live in another Nordic countries .... totally freely / just like that. And I'm already citizen of two of those :smiley:.
Yes, Norway looks amazing enough :azn:.
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Having grown up as an Air Force Brat I'd have to say returning to Germany would likely be my logical choice.
Yes!
I was not an Air Force brat, but a USAF veteran with 2 tours of duty there, totaling 11 years. I'd live there, given the opportunity.
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There is no other place in the world I would rather be than the USA. But there are plenty of wonderful places in the world I would like to make an extended visit to. Anywhere around the Alps, Tuscany, Scandinavia, and so many others.
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If not living in Norway/Scandinavia, I would like to try Italy or Spain.
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That's easy for me. I would move about 50 miles north to British Columbia.
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That’s refreshingly surprising Dusty.
Maybe , dunno . That little museum sees folk from several countries on any given day some in small groups doing an unguided tour , some on guided group tours riding mostly HD and lately some Indian rental bikes .
On a busy day one will meet Spaniards , Croats , people from the UK , Germany , China , Malaysia , Japan , Serbia ...well anyway , from lots of countries . Haven't yet met anyone at the museum who didn't represent their home country well , and always attempt to represent my country in the same manner .
Then we had the two blokes from OZ spend the evening with us at the Oklahoma camp out about 8 years ago , it saddened me to learn that one had passed a couple of years later , we had a lively conversation over coffee . Of course then there was an evening with Jude and Pete , just the 3 of us sharing a meal then a few hours just hanging out . Pete may be a Pom, but he loves his adopted country .
Dusty
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New Zealand. South Island.
We can always use good contractors John, what with our roads washing away in the rainstorms, houses falling down in the earthquakes and of course, those beautiful motorcycling roads that you have already experienced need being kept in tip-top condition.
When are you emigrating? :laugh:
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I can' t believe no one has mentioned Maine. Seems everyone from around the planet is moving here lately.
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Iceland, if we ever get our shit together and can get the borders back open I have another trip to make up there. That said I just bought a new RV so I need to stick around here for a while and use it.
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I love being in America, and I think I have settled in the best place America has to offer, so not itching to move away.
It would have to be Spain for me. Sevilla is nice, lived there for 6mos in my 20's... Been a couple times and just loved the food, culture, and the cities of Spain. Now that you can't smoke like a chimney everywhere, my final 'strike' against Spain has been eliminated.
Costa Rica/ Caribbean/ Guatemala would be second choice, but I am probably too attached to my first world conveniences to make that jump. Also, if I went there it would probably have to be as an innkeeper/BnB owner, and I am sick to death of cooking for and serving other people.
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You lads all seem to like extremely cold climates - with correspondingly short summers - instead of more amenable biking climes.
I'm not about to criticise peoples choices & fantasies but I don't get it.... as I age I more & more absolutely HATE riding in the snow & ice! It's scary & damned cold.
Give me an endless summer please!
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Niagara on the Lake, Ontario, Canada. If I could afford it. Vacation home somewhere warm.
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Northern Portugal (Douro River valley) would be fabulous if I can learn Portuguese.
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I need big-mountain skiing and a Mediterranean lifestyle. France, Italy or Switzerland, with a summer retreat in Norway.
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I have thought about southern Italy or southern France but my account tells me that for Canadians moving to Costa Rica is very popular as it has universal health care similar to Canada and property owners can acquire it, I would still keep a place in Canada and plan on staying here for at least 5 months if the year to retain my Canadian health coverage. Have also considered Baja California particularly Loreto, nice quiet seaside town. I sold my place in Phoenix this spring, loved Arizona but it was time for a change, need to get near the ocean.
Ahhh, Loreto. What a wonderful place to while away your time. Costa Rica is my fave though. The people are wonderful, the countryside is gorgeous, and the food is fantastic! The cost of living doesn't hurt either. Time to learn some more palabras.
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I can' t believe no one has mentioned Maine. Seems everyone from around the planet is moving here lately.
LOVE Maine! What area are you in? We're 2 states over, my other half is from Maine. We head to Wells any spare weekend we get, regardless of season. Of course her Dad likes to say, "That's not really Maine." Lol
A trip there on the bike next season is certain, and one that I mentioned in the "planning" thread.
Lobstah' is great, but the steamah's are wicked good!
Cheers from a co-New Englander!
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Any part of Europe's Mediterranean coast would suit me, and to narrow it down, either Sete, in France, or Syracuse in Sicily. I speak a little French and restaurant Italian, and have a cloth ear, so it'd be a little difficult.
Unfortunately none of the far-flung English speaking countries have much appeal.
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Don't do it!
You'll never be completely satisfied in your new country as it won't have all the things you remember fondly from your old country. And what you remember of your old country will be a glorified memory of halcyon times that never really existed.
Stay home. Bloom where you're planted. Fix that broken wagon.
I'm an immigrant - I know these things.
Nick
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Don't do it!
You'll never be completely satisfied in your new country as it won't have all the things you remember fondly from your old country. And what you remember of your old country will be a glorified memory of halcyon times that never really existed.
Stay home. Bloom where you're planted. Fix that broken wagon.
I'm an immigrant - I know these things.
Nick
That's really sad Nick. I'm sure there must be at least SOME redeeming aspects of living in your "new country"! I'm sure the immigrant experience is much more positive for many others.
Is it racism or cultural differences that you're struggling with? Do you have any friends or family for emotional support that you can connect with from the "old country"? Stay positive & take care... Much love from the Antipodes.
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I doubt I'll ever move from this area - my father's side of the family has lived here since the late 1700s. If I ever was to move from here, it wouldn't be too far - Pocahontas Co., WV maybe.
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Don't do it!
You'll never be completely satisfied in your new country as it won't have all the things you remember fondly from your old country. And what you remember of your old country will be a glorified memory of halcyon times that never really existed.
Stay home. Bloom where you're planted. Fix that broken wagon.
I'm an immigrant - I know these things.
Nick
I think you are partly right ... why would one move away from 1st (to 3rd for example?) :grin:
https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2019/03/finland-is-the-world-s-happiest-country-again/
And again 2020 ... third time now number ''uno'':
https://www.businessfinland.fi/en/whats-new/news/cision-releases/2020/finland-chosen-as-the-worlds-happiest-country-for-the-3rd-time
More seriously ... many says ... you understand value (see the good points) of your home country ... only as you are abroad. You are someway ''blind'' for those as you are home (how the society works etc.).
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Hawaii, I moved back in '81. I've kept a motorcycle on the Mainland for Summer rides. I have airline flight benefits so anywhere is essentially 2 flights out of here.
Northern Italy would be my 2nd choice. I like the area just south of the Dolomites in the foothills. Good location to go further South for the weather or North to play in Dolomites. Close enough to go to the sea either East or West.
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Yes, Norway looks amazing enough :azn:.
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My grandmother came from Norway with her family when she was 14. I've always wanted to visit and look up family connections. My son visited when he was in college, his university had a large number of Norwegian students. Beautiful country.
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Norway is lovely, especially from a bike seat. But I am always there at or around the summer solstice, I stay at Svolvaer and although coolish, it’s nice.
However winter is a hell hole of perpetual dark and sub freezing point temperatures, just horrid.
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Norway is lovely, especially from a bike seat. But I am always there at or around the summer solstice, I stay at Svolvaer and although coolish, it’s nice.
However winter is a hell hole of perpetual dark and sub freezing point temperatures, just horrid.
Not for one who has grown up in Finland :evil:.
But yes ... at winter time, country sides ... if there is a traffic problems/accidents on main road ... whole traffic will stop until the road is clear again. Just as often there are no reasonable roundabouts. Mountains have eliminated those. Also roads like theirs (long hills up and long way down) can be pretty dangerous at winter times.
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I'm another wannabe NZ guy if I "really" had a choice. Costa Rica would be second. That said, I'm old, and not about to pick up stakes and move.
Looks like I could just hitch a ride. Those are my choices as well.
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New Zealand. South Island.
I agree, probably up in the Nelson area. Down in the Christchurch area is nice but more prone to earthquakes. Unfortunately, their immigration laws are strict and, at my age, I'm not eligible.
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Ah..fantasies!
I'd pick Terlingua or there abouts. Advantages of being X usa (sorta), dry climate and still have my constitutional rights.
Having lived other places on this planet..scenery is a very small part of life.
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Ah..fantasies!
I'd pick Terlingua or there abouts. Advantages of being X usa (sorta), dry climate and still have my constitutional rights.
Having lived other places on this planet..scenery is a very small part of life.
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It's all fantasies. (Not that there's anything wrong with that; it's a discussion board after all). People ALL live in a placed based on some combination of these three things:
1) Where they can afford to live.
2) Where there is family or friends or other people like themselves with whom to interact.
3) What they're used to (including what "they" will "let" you do, which covers all the forbidden subjects).
If there's good riding, or surfing, or good weather, well, that's a bonus, but typically not a determining factor, from what I can tell ....
Lannis
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Decades of migration to the south and west of the US indicates that a lot of people choose to live where the winters are warmer. It’s just a bonus that those same areas tend to have better roads for motorcycling :wink:
After many years of living near twisty roads, I could not live where there are none. Winter weather would be less of a problem, especially if I could escape to somewhere warm in winter months. Hence the idea to spend summers motorcycling etc in the Südtirol area of Italy, escaping to warmer climes just about the time the skiers show up. The main issue with that is how the US house and properly gets maintained for several months in the summer, because we don’t want to move to a condo or similar.
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Yes fantasies are more important to some than others but have little to do with the riggers of everyday life.
Seems that most of the posts are bases on the scenery or pictures there of with no real thought after that. Its much much more complicated than that.
Guess I'm being a little too serious as I can recall the problems of changing to a new culture....
I was always very happy to return home!
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After many years of living near twisty roads, I could not live where there are none.
I wouldn't go so far as to say I "could not", but living here in a place where there is great motorcycle riding of all kinds available in just an afternoon's ride, I'll say it's a major factor!
The main issue with that is how the US house and properly gets maintained for several months in the summer, because we don’t want to move to a condo or similar.
Everything's available for a price. And the price to get a professional company to monitor your security system, keep the inside of the house clean and nice, and maintain the grounds so that it looks lived in (to anyone but a professional crook casing the place) is NOT all that high, not in our part of the country - might be insupportable in a big city, but then so is everything else so you'd already be used to it!
Many of us could sell what we have built up over the years, and buy a modest place here in the States to be home, and buy or share a modest place in our fantasy-land. A few very mobile folks here on this list appear to be doing that to some degree .... !
Lannis
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Well I never been to Spain, but I kinda like the music. Say the ladies are insane there and they sure know how to use it. They don't abuse it, never gonna lose it. I can't refuse it. Well I never been to England, but I kinda like the Beatles...
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Lake Cuomo
Is that in New York? Named after the Governor? :grin:
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Living in Spokane, WA, I have pretty much what I want. Lots of mountains to ski on in the winter, and great riding in the summer. I think I would prefer to visit other places rather than move permanent.
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Nice set of lakes there too. :thumb:
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"bill of rights"
I don't know how important you might think this is but to me its the most important thing.
FWIW
Agreed. I could see myself visiting Ireland, Scotland, and maybe Italy. But, never for more than a visit.
I long to spend a few years living in Northern New Mexico or Southern Colorado. It probably won't happen, and I'm OK with that. Arkansas suits me pretty well.
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Did you ever hear about beautiful Corsica ?
Mountains in the sea.
We call it island of beauty.
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Is that in New York? Named after the Governor? :grin:
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Did you ever hear about beautiful Corsica ?
Mountains in the sea.
We call it island of beauty.
A good name. I’ve ridden motorcycles there three times and it’s one of my favorite places. There are not many places where you can ride from beach to mountain tops and pine trees in such a short time, nor enjoy the difference in climate from north (Cap Corse) to south (Bonifacio) in such a short distance. Also the overnight ferry with cabin and motorcycle on board is less expensive than many hotel rooms (Guzzi content :grin:) and gets you to the island bright and early. I love it.
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You can do that type of ride on the island of Hawaii.
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"Decades of migration to the south and west of the US indicates that a lot of people choose to live where the winters are warmer. It’s just a bonus that those same areas tend to have better roads for motorcycling"
There were decades of migration to the Northern states before the coming of air conditioning.
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Agreed. I could see myself visiting Ireland, Scotland, and maybe Italy. But, never for more than a visit.
I long to spend a few years living in Northern New Mexico or Southern Colorado. It probably won't happen, and I'm OK with that. Arkansas suits me pretty well.
Yes a visit to other country I would highly recommend for anybody and if your a two wheel type the experience can be very intense. You learn a lot!
I spent 4 years in Paris setting up a domicile (pilot) and as hard as I tried to assimilate into the French culture it alluded me. So other expats and we(expats)ended up sticking together. It was hard on those that brought family and the kids struggled with the language and the completely(well quite different) culture change from the USA.
It usually ends up that a few will be successful in merging into the new culture but for the most part the expat had their own community.
Fortunately the tour was only mandatory for a 4 year commitment.
I heard of no one that didn't return to the States after their tour. I think all thought of the experience as a positive experience but they could always see the light at the end of the tunnel.
As being in charge of the pilot group I spent a lot of time dealing with regulations tax matters both income an because a few bought real estate, (I did and still have it), and had property taxes. (very high).
( and you have the "rights" matter.)
May be better to keep it a fantasy but by all means schedule a visit.
FWIW
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Well I never been to Spain, but I kinda like the music. Say the ladies are insane there and they sure know how to use it. They don't abuse it, never gonna lose it. I can't refuse it. Well I never been to England, but I kinda like the Beatles...
Great song, sometime in the early 70s, I really liked the part when they busted out with “well I’ve never been to heaven buf I’ve been to Oklahoma”
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Yes a visit to other country I would highly recommend for anybody and if your a two wheel type the experience can be very intense. You learn a lot!
I spent 4 years in Paris setting up a domicile (pilot) and as hard as I tried to assimilate into the French culture it alluded me. So other expats and we(expats)ended up sticking together. It was hard on those that brought family and the kids struggled with the language and the completely(well quite different) culture change from the USA.
It usually ends up that a few will be successful in merging into the new culture but for the most part the expat had their own community.
Fortunately the tour was only mandatory for a 4 year commitment.
I heard of no one that didn't return to the States after their tour. I think all thought of the experience as a positive experience but they could always see the light at the end of the tunnel.
As being in charge of the pilot group I spent a lot of time dealing with regulations tax matters both income an because a few bought real estate, (I did and still have it), and had property taxes. (very high).
( and you have the "rights" matter.)
May be better to keep it a fantasy but by all means schedule a visit.
FWIW
But despite your experience in Paris, you did keep your property? Is this for investment or an occasional visit?
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The real estate market in Paris 25 years ago was quite depressed and since I knew I would be based there for at least 4 years I sold may house in Memphis and bought a place in the 5th district of which I still own. It has become one of my better real estate moves.
After 25 years I have made some good relationships in Paris and am sort of excepted as a resident instead of a foreigner, albeit part time. The city is going thru some political unrest at the moment, and of course the - caper.
IMHO, having lived in 3 other countries, the USA is best for me(or any of we the people) as its home, my roots and I believe in it.
I don't have any history or family in Paris so it was difficult to become excepted.
I really enjoy time spent there.
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Tahiti, or someplace similar. Nice weather, beach days, swimming, fishing, scantily clad native girls, I wouldn't miss riding motorcycles. A boat and a bicycle would suffice.
Larry
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Gaugin's dream and many others. It's still possible but it's French so their immigration & importation laws apply. It's more expensive than other parts of Polynesia because of that. French Polynesia is expensive compared to the U.S.. You might want to try Saipan, Costa Rica, Mexico or Guyana.
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Ireland ..... the land of my ancestors. That's on my dad's side. As for mom's side , well, I'd have to split it up ....... Dutch, German, Scotch Irish. Just wish the Irish drove on the right side of the road! I often try to imagine adapting to going through a roundabout over there. Too late in life to teach this old dog new tricks.
Bob
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OP here. This is just for fun. There are no wrong answers!!!
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The real estate market in Paris 25 years ago was quite depressed and since I knew I would be based there for at least 4 years I sold may house in Memphis and bought a place in the 5th district of which I still own. It has become one of my better real estate moves.
After 25 years I have made some good relationships in Paris and am sort of excepted as a resident instead of a foreigner, albeit part time. The city is going thru some political unrest at the moment, and of course the - caper.
IMHO, having lived in 3 other countries, the USA is best for me(or any of we the people) as its home, my roots and I believe in it.
I don't have any history or family in Paris so it was difficult to become excepted.
I really enjoy time spent there.
do you B&B it? That's close to the Latin Quarter?
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Just wish the Irish drove on the right side of the road! I often try to imagine adapting to going through a roundabout over there. Too late in life to teach this old dog new tricks.
Bob
The roundabouts are not as bad as you think. As long as you think "Yield to the right, yield to the right" as you approach it, it's OK. Once you're in it, you just stay in the left lane until your turn comes up, then pull into the left lane and go.
My worst problem riding in the UK is making a right turn on a lightly trafficked road with no car to follow. If there's not already traffic in the road, I will generally get into the right (which is WRONG!) lane on the road I'm turning onto - until I see a car and move quick. Luckily, on a bike there's only 3 or 4 feet of difference ...
Lannis
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do you B&B it? That's close to the Latin Quarter?
Yes the 5th district is the oldest district in the city and IS the Latin quarter. 20 min walk to the river and a bit more to the Louvre.
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I don't have any history or family in Paris so it was difficult to become excepted.
It would have been a lot harder to become accepted...
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My wife and I are planning to retire to Portugal next year.
I took Voluntary Redundancy from BA (after 42 yrs as Aircraft Engineer) in Aug.
My wife's packing work up in March.
My Mother is Portuguese, and I have Family in Viseu.
I'm in the process of getting Citizenship now.
Love the Country, the People, the Culture, the Food & Drink, and the near-empty Roads!
The Central Area we're looking at is very similar to the UK, climate and scenery wise, just a bit warmer in Summer, and the Winters aren't as harsh.
Property prices are very low, typically a third or less of those in the UK.
Cost of living is low too, we really get ripped off for just about everything in the UK.
Only real downside is the cost of cars, new and used.
Bike prices don't seem to be as bad, just a little higher on average.
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The roundabouts are not as bad as you think. As long as you think "Yield to the right, yield to the right" as you approach it, it's OK. Once you're in it, you just stay in the left lane until your turn comes up, then pull into the left lane and go.
My worst problem riding in the UK is making a right turn on a lightly trafficked road with no car to follow. If there's not already traffic in the road, I will generally get into the right (which is WRONG!) lane on the road I'm turning onto - until I see a car and move quick. Luckily, on a bike there's only 3 or 4 feet of difference ...
Lannis
I had the same problem, but in reverse, when I drove in the States. It's easier in Europe as I'm always in my own right hand drive car, so sitting on the "wrong side" acts as a permanent reminder.
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excepted.
I just didn’t know why you would want to be excepted ?
I may need to spell it out.
Did you mean accepted ?
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I just didn’t know why you would want to be excepted ?
I may need to spell it out.
Did you mean accepted ?
Regardless, if I misspelled the word or spell check changed it you know exactly what I meant.
Typical Huso, not impressed.
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How about the new Mark Knopfler album and the fact that Mark is still an active motorbiker ?
Dusty
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Regardless, if I misspelled the word or spell check changed it you know exactly what I meant.
Typical Huso, not impressed.
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That's funny whether it was deliberate or not!
Lannis
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How about the new Mark Knopfler album and the fact that Mark is still an active motorbiker ?
Dusty
Yeah Dusty , the latest album from Mark is really nice , I particularly like the cut "good on you son" , probably autobiographical .
Dusty
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:thumb: :thumb:
Agreed. I could see myself visiting Ireland, Scotland, and maybe Italy. But, never for more than a visit.
I long to spend a few years living in Northern New Mexico or Southern Colorado. It probably won't happen, and I'm OK with that. Arkansas suits me pretty well.
I've been to Ireland ,Italy and loved it I agree with you NW Arkansas is Amazing can't wait to move there from Austin TX
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Yeah Dusty , the latest album from Mark is really nice , I particularly like the cut "good on you son" , probably autobiographical .
Dusty
So Dusty , have you figured out what motorbike Mark is riding in the Good on you son video ?
Dusty
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Gentleman , time to chill .
Dusty
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How about the new Mark Knopfler album and the fact that Mark is still an active motorbiker ?
Dusty
Off topic a bit aren't you? But regardless your tactic worked at least in my case, I didn't know he had a new record out, I have been a big fan of his work for decades.
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Stopped in to see how Chad's riding through the looking glass is going. Like Sergio says, "Don't drink & ride, drink first then ride." Hey, take mushrooms with so you can get back out of the mirror.