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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: oldbike54 on December 21, 2020, 09:05:21 AM
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Politics , religion , and long rants about controversial nonsense .
Look , I get it , lots of pent up frustration and uncertainty about future events . Still , everyone here agreed to the rules , no such thing as 1A protection on WG , sorry .
Keep it civil , stay away from the subjects we avoid , and stop with the personal attacks .
Is this clear enough ?
Dusty
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...Is this clear enough?
It's really remarkable how an innocuous first-post on a topic can go south so quickly (through no fault of the original posting member). You'd be hard-pressed to think of any path in logic to go from A to B to Z, but it happens (and it often seems to be done on purpose).
As I have always done (and always will), I will delete any of my posts (in this case it was just a photo from a ride) on a thread that is going badly, so I never saw how it all ended; but, I saw enough to know that you'd soon have to clean up another mess.
I'm sorry you had to get out the mop and pail, once again, Dusty. There are plenty of us who appreciate what you do.
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Yawn.......missed another one. Oh well. Have a nice day! :grin: :thumb:
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Did I miss anything Guzzi related here on WG? :tongue:
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Hm.
You'd think it's winter.
Ten years ago the term "cabin fever" was commonly used around here - - - -
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"You'd be hard-pressed to think of any path in logic to go from A to B to Z, but it happens (and it often seems to be done on purpose)."
Yep.
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Dusty,
If I am one of the offending parties, I apologize profusely. I greatly appreciate what you and Luap do, and all the posters here are great.
I've yet to see a single offensive post on WildGuzzi, so either you are scrubbing them before I have seen any of them or I am a bit dense.
I think the timeless wisdom you offered on the UFO Thread is priceless.
Fred makes a statement. If Joe disagrees, Fred's natural response is "Do some digging!" Makes perfect sense and works for everyone.
There's been lots of times in my life when after X hours of study or practice I thought I "had it nailed down." Then after 2X, or 4X, or 10X, I realized my previously held opinion wasn't "the end all and be all of knowledge."
thanks again for all that you do.
Stay well.
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Dusty,
You do yeoman’s work. Perhaps 2021 will be less busy. Happy Holidays!
DJT
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Dusty,
You do yeoman’s work. Perhaps 2021 will be less busy. Happy Holidays!
DJT
Let's hope so , i'll take the work of organizing a rally and cooking for 50 Guzzista over managing an election season on here any day .
Gonna bend a rule here slightly in the attempt to explain a point .
In 2016 one side won an election and a couple of members here gloated a bit , and some other members expressed the opposite . I caught most of it , and faced a blizzard of angry messages from members who thought they were being treated unfairly .
Fast forward to 2020 and another election with a different outcome has occurred , so now the situation is reversed , those who don't like what happened are feeling sad , and get upset when we enforce the rules . Guess what , I try to always be fair , it doesn't really matter which side is causing a problem . I don't catch everything , and sometimes I try to allow some leeway if a statement is not problematic .
Try this , instead of sending me a message dripping with vitriol , stop and think , would you come at me in anger at a rally ? For that matter would you come at any member in that fashion ?
D
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First off, Thanks for the job you do. Your explanation leaves me wondering how my post got deleted unless I didn't see the final postings that turned it around.
Paul B :boozing:
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Let's hope so , i'll take the work of organizing a rally and cooking for 50 Guzzista over managing an election season on here any day .
Gonna bend a rule here slightly in the attempt to explain a point .
In 2016 one side won an election and a couple of members here gloated a bit , and some other members expressed the opposite . I caught most of it , and faced a blizzard of angry messages from members who thought they were being treated unfairly .
Fast forward to 2020 and another election with a different outcome has occurred , so now the situation is reversed , those who don't like what happened are feeling sad , and get upset when we enforce the rules . Guess what , I try to always be fair , it doesn't really matter which side is causing a problem . I don't catch everything , and sometimes I try to allow some leeway if a statement is not problematic .
Try this , instead of sending me a message dripping with vitriol , stop and think , would you come at me in anger at a rally ? For that matter would you come at any member in that fashion ?
D
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No idea Paul , I remember posts ,rarely who posted something . Keeps me neutral .
65 degrees here , calm winds . Gonna light off the slightly loud Bassa and see if she will do the tonne . She , don't tell anyone , our secret :grin:
Dusty
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Thank you for what you do here. I do what you do here but in real life. Managing the general public is not for the faint of heart, and I can't choose my clientele.
Larry
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First off, Thanks for the job you do. Your explanation leaves me wondering how my post got deleted unless I didn't see the final postings that turned it around.
Paul B :boozing:
And this is how it starts..
Dusty does his usual magician’s trick and pulls the detractors (including me) into line..
That’s the way it should be.
Then someone (innocently) asks why or how his post was deleted and when he finds out, the first reaction is going to be a predictable one, depending on his personality or history.
The responses including this one, should be confined to a thank you.
BTW..
Thank you.
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And this is how it starts..
Dusty does his usual magician’s trick and pulls the detractors i(including me) into line..
That’s the way it should be.
Then someone (innocently) asks why or how his post was deleted and when he finds out, the first reaction is going to be a predictable one, depending on his personality or history.
The responses including this one, should be confined to a thank you.
BTW..
Thank you.
Peter , thanks for the support , but done with civility as Paul has done is never problematic .
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That's funny John :thumb:
Alright , I am outta here for a bit . Taz want go vroom vroom :bike-037:
Dusty
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The policy is good.Folks tend to be a lot freer with their rants when they can do it anonymously on line.The only time I talk politics is with people I know agree with me,otherwise it is a waste of time and makes enemies.
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No shoes, no shirt, no service. Pretty simple :grin:
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:thumb: from where I sit.
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No shoes, no shirt, no service. Pretty simple :grin:
If only it were that simple.
There is the rules, and then there is the interpretation of the rules. We all know which way the pendulum swings.
From the "General Discussion" Header.
1. No un-justified personal or dealer attacks. 2. Keep the content motorcycle related. There is no room for politics, guns, religion, spam, click-bait, etc. 3. There is no room for "raunchy" posts with adult or mature content. This includes strategically covered nudity, sheer or see-through clothing, lewd or provocative poses, close-ups of breasts, buttocks, or crotches. 4. Posting of for sale items allowed only in the classified section. Failure to adhere to these simple, common courtesy, common sense rules will result in your being banned to ever post on the Moto Guzzi Discussion site again. That being said, Enjoy the Guzzi talk. Luap McKeever
Specifically #2. How many non motorcycle related posts do you see in the general discussion section? I count 12 on the first page.
From Luap's introductory post to new members.
Also, Please refrain from posting Political, Religion, Pornography (unless it's their naked motorcycle) and other senseless drivel.
How many threads of senseless drivel are currently active? :laugh:
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How many threads of senseless drivel are currently active? :laugh:
I don't know about senseless drivel, but it sure helped me fix my sweetie's dryer. :grin: Where else are you going to get literally hundreds of years of experience of fixing stuff? <shrug>
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Hey Dusty.
You know how each poster has a little badge indicating if and when they donated to the forum? How about another little badge indicating if the poster has been naughty or nice. Might encourage better behavior.
I’m kinda serious. I’d like to see who are the Andrew Dice Clay types on WG.
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I have been to many and various boards over the years. Cooking, astronomy, ancient archeology, alternative views. All over. This is one of the best. Hands down. The loyalty of Guzzi riders impresses me. And the knowledge.
Now where's my Harold Stassen pin?
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No shoes, no shirt, no service. Pretty simple :grin:
Merry Christmas buddy. I've missed you. :thumb: :thumb: :thumb: :thumb: :thumb: :thumb:
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Hey Dusty.
You know how each poster has a little badge indicating if and when they donated to the forum? How about another little badge indicating if the poster has been naughty or nice. Might encourage better behavior.
I’m kinda serious. I’d like to see who are the Andrew Dice Clay types on WG.
Prescott, you KNOW the ADC types. (yeah, I'm looking in the mirror)
BTW- I heard from Dusty the other day and I think all his last nerves are gone. I'd recommend we all get in the Christmas spirit thru the New Year's.
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I have been to many and various boards over the years. Cooking, astronomy, ancient archeology, alternative views. All over. This is one of the best. Hands down. The loyalty of Guzzi riders impresses me. And the knowledge.
Now where's my Harold Stassen pin?
This is the best place on the entire internet. Ask Harold
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Like it or not Dusty and in reserve, Luap are the basketball referees here. Overall they do a damn good job IMHO of monitoring the board. Occasionally feathers get ruffled but life goes on. Just like about any ball game, most people are not going to agree 100% of the time with the refs but the outcome is still accepted the vast majority of the time. And yes, spring/summer and - control cannot come quick enough. All hang in there.
GliderJohn
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Dusty, totally appreciate the job you do as moderator. Couldn't pay me to do it! You're a way calmer guy than I am.
BTW - Merry Xmas and Happy New Year. Maybe I'll be able to throw a leg over and ride out to (it's been so long I've forgotten the name) the rally in 2021. Love to meet up with you guys!
Bob
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The dividing line between NGC senseless drivel and NGC good drivel is ill defined.
It is good to have some drivel, since it keeps the forum more vibrant and that extra drivel traffic might make a few nickels toward website maintenance, but I can see how some forum members would be put off when drivel outnumbers motorcycle content.
Perhaps each original poster should ask themselves if they are about to drivel before they post. Be self-policing and limit yourself to one drivel original post per Guzzi content post and the ratio should be in balance.
I would have to define asking for help fixing a dryer would be good drivel.
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I'm sorry you had to get out the mop and pail, once again, Dusty. There are plenty of us who appreciate what you do.
You can add me in on that sentiment Daniel. :thumb:
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OK , about "drivel" . There has always been a certain amount of off topic , or drivel on WG , and sometimes I can't or won't try to define it or delete threads that might seem silly or non Guzzi related . Basically if a topic is suitable for a campfire discussion at a rally it will be alright on the board . Is a topic interesting to other members , is it educational , does it stir memories ? Music , literature , UFO's , questions about home repair , computers , etc . Over the years some of the best threads have been about sailing , Johnr , our Kiwi friend know gone to the other side was a wealth of information on the subject and could keep us interested for weeks on the subject .
Then their is a common interest in basketball that Muzz and Injun Dave and I share,mostly because Steven Adams played here in Oklahoma . I am loathe to stop threads where members are having fun and sharing interests . Keep them civil and free of the problems areas and things will be fine .
Does this help ?
Dusty
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I for one, like the campfire story standard.
And......like like telling tall tales and good naturedlly shoveling BS at the campfire, rather get upset..... I believe the proper campfire etiquette to be to sneeze into your shirt sleeve:
"AH-CHOO BULLSHIT!"
If those of you who actually graduated from charm school know different, I'd appreciate your sophisticated advice.
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OK , about "drivel" . There has always been a certain amount of off topic , or drivel on WG , and sometimes I can't or won't try to define it or delete threads that might seem silly or non Guzzi related . Basically if a topic is suitable for a campfire discussion at a rally it will be alright on the board . Is a topic interesting to other members , is it educational , does it stir memories ? Music , literature , UFO's , questions about home repair , computers , etc . Over the years some of the best threads have been about sailing , Johnr , our Kiwi friend know gone to the other side was a wealth of information on the subject and could keep us interested for weeks on the subject .
Then their is a common interest in basketball that Muzz and Injun Dave and I share,mostly because Steven Adams played here in Oklahoma . I am loathe to stop threads where members are having fun and sharing interests . Keep them civil and free of the problems areas and things will be fine .
Does this help ?
Dusty
Dusty, I could care less what gets posted on wildguzzi. I have participated in some of the off topic threads.
I was just answering the post showing that it isn't that simple.
BTW: there is nothing I would post on this forum that I wouldn't say to a persons face. :grin: This forum is like a campfire and guys around a campfire bust each others chops from time to time. :bow:
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OK , about "drivel" . There has always been a certain amount of off topic , or drivel on WG , and sometimes I can't or won't try to define it or delete threads that might seem silly or non Guzzi related . Basically if a topic is suitable for a campfire discussion at a rally it will be alright on the board . Is a topic interesting to other members , is it educational , does it stir memories ? Music , literature , UFO's , questions about home repair , computers , etc . Over the years some of the best threads have been about sailing , Johnr , our Kiwi friend know gone to the other side was a wealth of information on the subject and could keep us interested for weeks on the subject .
Then their is a common interest in basketball that Muzz and Injun Dave and I share,mostly because Steven Adams played here in Oklahoma . I am loathe to stop threads where members are having fun and sharing interests . Keep them civil and free of the problems areas and things will be fine .
Does this help ?
Dusty
I can't believe they traded Adams. The Thunder are just starting from scratch now.
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I can't believe they traded Adams. The Thunder are just starting from scratch now.
Muzz asked if he would be considered a traitor if he rooted for the Pelicans , so we decided to both be fans of them . Paired with Zion they should be pretty stout down low.
Dusty
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Before I bought my V7 in 2016 I toyed with the idea of an Indian Scout, and hung around an Indian forum for a while. I believe that an election was approaching in the USA, and the bile that streamed from both sides was unbelievable to an outsider. I lapped it up with horrified fascination, then turned to this site for a bit of sanity, and to remind myself what Americans were really like.
Keep on keeping politics, religion and Liverpool FC out of this site.
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I have been an owner and a mod for several groups over the years and know all of the emotional ups and downs. Folks sending PM's to the mods. phones calls ect. IMHO, the mod's can't have it both ways as if you read the rules of the list. You see it all the time with "these" lists when threads go off-course (you wouldn't if the mods followed their own rules) and then their faithful servants chime in and tell them how great they are and how much they appreciate all of their efforts. This group like many is ran by mods who will pick and choose what topics they let run and which not. The mods will also censor any posts by so called members that they don't like.
I'm all for a dedicated Guzzi/motorcycle forum just like the rules are when you join. If you desire a fair open forum/campfire discussion then the mods should just let it go. Note, with many of these off-topic posts the fire will soon die out and we can continue with more important Guzzi related posts.
General Discussion
1. No un-justified personal or dealer attacks. 2. Keep the content motorcycle related. There is no room for politics, guns, religion, spam, click-bait, etc. 3. There is no room for "raunchy" posts with adult or mature content. This includes strategically covered nudity, sheer or see-through clothing, lewd or provocative poses, close-ups of breasts, buttocks, or crotches. 4. Posting of for sale items allowed only in the classified section. Failure to adhere to these simple, common courtesy, common sense rules will result in your being banned to ever post on the Moto Guzzi Discussion site again. That being said, Enjoy the Guzzi talk. Luap McKeever
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Aw man.... I guess I need to muster up the courage to read through the UFO thread now. :rolleyes:
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Dusty, the job you do is always appreciated by me, but seldom have the chance to say Thank You!!
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BTW: there is nothing I would post on this forum that I wouldn't say to a persons face. :grin: This forum is like a campfire and guys around a campfire bust each others chops from time to time. :bow:
I could not agree more with twowheeladdict here!
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I like the drivel.
I wouldnt check this board every day if it was 100% "How many cc's of oil go in the left leg of a Convert fork" and "what tire sizes can you run on a '72 850-T"
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I like the drivel.
I wouldnt check this board every day if it was 100% "How many cc's of oil go in the left leg of a Convert fork" and "what tire sizes can you run on a '72 850-T"
drivel is fine then change the rules and open up the campfire
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I have been an owner and a mod for several groups over the years and know all of the emotional ups and downs. Folks sending PM's to the mods. phones calls ect. IMHO, the mod's can't have it both ways as if you read the rules of the list. You see it all the time with "these" lists when threads go off-course (you wouldn't if the mods followed their own rules) and then their faithful servants chime in and tell them how great they are and how much they appreciate all of their efforts. This group like many is ran by mods who will pick and choose what topics they let run and which not. The mods will also censor any posts by so called members that they don't like.
I'm all for a dedicated Guzzi/motorcycle forum just like the rules are when you join. If you desire a fair open forum/campfire discussion then the mods should just let it go. Note, with many of these off-topic posts the fire will soon die out and we can continue with more important Guzzi related posts.
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How'd you get away with having this post up for 3 hours? Amen, brother.
Lannis
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How'd you get away with having this post up for 3 hours? Amen, brother.
Lannis
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OK, that's funny - I don't care WHO you are.
:boozing: :boozing: :boozing:
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How'd you get away with having this post up for 3 hours? Amen, brother.
Lannis
We don't have a ROTFLMAO emoticon? Because that is was doing when I saw this post!
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Hey Dusty.
You know how each poster has a little badge indicating if and when they donated to the forum? How about another little badge indicating if the poster has been naughty or nice. Might encourage better behavior.
I’m kinda serious. I’d like to see who are the Andrew Dice Clay types on WG.
Great idea! Let's also add one for whether or not you have been vaccinated, and other important social metrics. It could be very helpful!
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Great idea! Let's also add one for whether or not you have been vaccinated, and other important social metrics. It could be very helpful!
How about just embedding a chip in the base of our skulls. :rolleyes:
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How about just embedding a chip in the base of our skulls. :rolleyes:
Like the UFO thread, SO hard to tell when people are serious or just shining you on to get a reaction. I get snagged all the time, unfortunately ...
Lannis
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Like the UFO thread, SO hard to tell when people are serious or just shining you on to get a reaction. I get snagged all the time, unfortunately ...
Lannis
I watched a video on that exact subject where they used actor's interviews to show which ones you could tell were being sarcastic, and which ones appeared to be serious.
On a forum, the use of emoticons, or j/k lets the reader know your not being serious. Not using emoticon leaves it up to the reader to determine intent which sometimes has to be based on the body of posts by that person.
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How about just embedding a chip in the base of our skulls. :rolleyes:
The aliens told me that I have one already. They said don't try to find it and dig it out, it's made from a substance that our technology cannot detect.
Larry
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The aliens told me that I have one already. They said don't try to find it and dig it out, it's made from a substance that our technology cannot detect.
Larry
I had one installed. It did not in ANY way negatively affect me affect me affect me affect me affect me affect me affect me affect me affect me affect me affect me affect me affect me affect me affect me affect me affect me affect me affect me affect me affect me affect me ..
Lannis4657prime
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How about just embedding a chip in the base of our skulls. :rolleyes:
Just transfer the "swipe" chip from your Visa. One & done.
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This isn't open for debate .
Dusty
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Just transfer the "swipe" chip from your Visa. One & done.
Of course the CC chip would need to be in the back of our hands for easy transactions. :blank:
Just being on the internet our data is everywhere.
My wife made a reservation through VRBO. She used a credit card that is in her name only, used an email address that is not shared, created a new account with only her information, and the receipt on the reservation had my name one it. WTF? The company couldn't explain how that happened.
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Moderating this forum or any form is not simple nor is it a black and white issue. Rules on a forum are like laws, there’s the “letter of the law” and there’s the “spirit of the law”.
I don’t think there’s not anyone here would appreciate being ticketed for 56 in a 55 MPH ZONE! In these law cases where that spirit of the law line is decided by an individual officer and can range from 1 mph over to 12+ in some situations. Some speeders may get a warning ticket and some may get a warning while others pay the fine. The moderators position is the same. Decisions on issues must be made from a collection of information the moderators are aware of such as, a particular members habits, the subject etc.
Bottom line is simple. This forum and every forum that is a fun and comfortable place to hang out must have moderators, period!
My view on this subject is the same as it was when I did the job of a LEO. You don’t know the complete picture of the job description until you walk a mile in the mans, or woman’s, shoes.
Let’s just be honest. 90 percent of the posts which get deleted or warnings giver would not have had to be addressed if we would simply address each other with respect and in a non-Condescending manor.
I’m just grateful we have this forum, and personally I enjoy it to much to abuse it.
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Moderating this forum or any form is not simple nor is it a black and white issue. Rules on a forum are like laws, there’s the “letter of the law” and there’s the “spirit of the law”.
I don’t think there’s not anyone here would appreciate being ticketed for 56 in a 55 MPH ZONE! In these law cases where that spirit of the law line is decided by an individual officer and can range from 1 mph over to 12+ in some situations. Some speeders may get a warning ticket and some may get a warning while others pay the fine. The moderators position is the same. Decisions on issues must be made from a collection of information the moderators are aware of such as, a particular members habits, the subject etc.
Bottom line is simple. This forum and every forum that is a fun and comfortable place to hang out must have moderators, period!
My view on this subject is the same as it was when I did the job of a LEO. You don’t know the complete picture of the job description until you walk a mile in the mans, or woman’s, shoes.
Let’s just be honest. 90 percent of the posts which get deleted or warnings giver would not have had to be addressed if we would simply address each other with respect and in a non-Condescending manor.
I’m just grateful we have this forum, and personally I enjoy it to much to abuse it.
Very nicely put Dan.
Let me ask you this. As a LEO, if constantly let women off with a warning and always gave a ticket to men 25 - 35 years old, would you be considered a LEO who interprets the law fairly?
If you always were giving more leeway to drivers with certain bumper stickers and stricter to drivers with certain bumper stickers would you be interpreting the law fairly?
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Very nicely put Dan.
Let me ask you this. As a LEO, if constantly let women off with a warning and always gave a ticket to men 25 - 35 years old, would you be considered a LEO who interprets the law fairly?
If you always were giving more leeway to drivers with certain bumper stickers and stricter to drivers with certain bumper stickers would you be interpreting the law fairly?
Years ago rding with our daughter when suddenly she says Oh SHIT, she ran past a parked cop car while speeding....The cruiser follows and gives the signal to pull over.....So she starts fluffing her hair and putting on an attractive look... Then another Oh Shit as she looks in the mirror to see it's a female cop..
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Years ago rding with our daughter when suddenly she says Oh SHIT, she ran past a parked cop car while speeding....The cruiser follows and gives the signal to pull over.....So she starts fluffing her hair and putting on an attractive look... Then another Oh Shit as she looks in the mirror to see it's a female cop..
Good thing that gender thing doesn't matter anymore. :evil:
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Years ago rding with our daughter when suddenly she says Oh SHIT, she ran past a parked cop car while speeding....The cruiser follows and gives the signal to pull over.....So she starts fluffing her hair and putting on an attractive look... Then another Oh Shit as she looks in the mirror to see it's a female cop..
LOL! Good one.
I had a 40 minute conversation with a police chief of a small town that I rolled through too fast on the Concours. At the end of our conversation I asked him, "now that we are friends, is there something you can do about this ticket?"
He said if it had been under 15 over he would tear it up, but he did tell me to go to his office to pay and that they wouldn't turn it in to the state to be reported to the insurance. I thought that was fair.
I did learn a lot about the behaviors of drivers who try to evade. They tend to follow certain patterns that I now know to avoid doing. :shocked: :huh:
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Very nicely put Dan.
Let me ask you this. As a LEO, if constantly let women off with a warning and always gave a ticket to men 25 - 35 years old, would you be considered a LEO who interprets the law fairly?
If you always were giving more leeway to drivers with certain bumper stickers and stricter to drivers with certain bumper stickers would you be interpreting the law fairly?
Fair question TWA, unfortunately there is no simple answer.
I think there can even be a situation where we can become convinced that we are being singled out for one reason on another. I’ve been in that situation many times in the course of my life, on the job as well as in a social environment. I’ve even felt that way in a church for crying out loud😂
I’ve came to the point where when in this type of situation I did this. I have always had friends that were my mentors, spoken or unspoken. They were folks that I knew would give me a honest straight foreword answer and run a scenario by them that I didn’t include myself as the victim and listen to their take. You’d be surprised to know the times I found myself in the position of being wrong or not completely in a position of being completely right.
That being said, I’ve also found myself in situations where I was completely right but in no position to change anything. In those situations I simply backed out and either conformed or just left. We as individuals sometimes must make the tough decisions.
Hopes this helps my friend 👍
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Fair question TWA, unfortunately there is no simple answer.
I think there can even be a situation where we can become convinced that we are being singled out for one reason on another. I’ve been in that situation many times in the course of my life, on the job as well as in a social environment. I’ve even felt that way in a church for crying out loud😂
I’ve came to the point where when in this type of situation I did this. I have always had friends that were my mentors, spoken or unspoken. They were folks that I knew would give me a honest straight foreword answer and run a scenario by them that I didn’t include myself as the victim and listen to their take. You’d be surprised to know the times I found myself in the position of being wrong or not completely in a position of being completely right.
That being said, I’ve also found myself in situations where I was completely right but in no position to change anything. In those situations I simply backed out and either conformed or just left. We as individuals sometimes must make the tough decisions.
Hopes this helps my friend 👍
You are a wise man. :cool:
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This isn't open for debate .
Dusty
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This isn't open for debate .
Dusty
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I'd rather have my short hairs set on fire than attempt to accomplish a moderator's task. Whether they volunteer or acquiesce to Luap's request to them for help, it's a task few are lining up to take on. Least of all, me.
RESPECT
What I do see is, when a mod is actively involved in posts, the bear pokers spring into action. Every mod word is scrutinized by us experts. Must be human nature to hold that mirror up in someone's face.
Mods are as imperfect as that fu%k!ng cop who gave you that speeding ticket when you weren't the only one hauling ass through that school zone! :thewife:
That said, I wonder if the silent hammer approach might be better.
You know, a moderator with little to no personal input on forum subjects, just a swift silent hammer coming down when things get nuts. And of course it's his call when they do. I know this isn't fair to the mod either, as they might have as interesting a viewpoint to express as any of us. I just think you can be too close or passionate about a subject to be as objective as possible. Also, the more you put yourself out there, the greater the risk for misinterpretation.
Don't get me wrong about all this, Dusty is one of the last persons whose input I'd want to lose and I'm sure he's much more interesting than I am! (though he was funnier before the mod thing. :wink:).
Sometimes you don't know what you had 'till it's gone...
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I was one of two moderators in the early 2000's on the most popular GM vintage truck site. This was during and after the 2000 election....
The site owner felt adults could discuss anything and learn from their differences....The Friday night fights as I called it got very harsh with brutal language and threats.This was over politics God, money or the best dogs .Without a doubt more people logged than any other time, it was like a train wreck .As always, the most vocal think they own the place and it's their right not to be censored. Ban the worst of them and they came back with a different name .Ban the IP address and they came back from a different location... Finally after a year or so the owner banned all off topic discussions.. After awhile it did work but just old truck talk became boring...I moved on after a few years... It wasn't a hard job like sorting bobcats, but the knuckleheads were frustrating if you take it too seriously.
I met in person some of the most troublesome guys on the site at truck meets and to the man, we got along just fine.
Some are just like Jeckle and Hyde once they get on the keyboard...
If you like bikes and fights, the AdvRider political forum is a mud pit
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If you like bikes and fights, the AdvRider political forum is a mud pit
That's an excellent point. Folks can argue all they want on ADVRIDER.com:
https://advrider.com/f/forums/church-state-money.49/
Plenty of Guzzisti over there. They take no prisoners, however, so put on your battle panties and have a go.
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The arguements on ADV can be like school boys wth a bunch of guys ganging up on someone with a different opinion. The several Moderators also join in on the bullying....
I think what's here is generally a better way for people who actually have an interest in bikes
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That's an excellent point. Folks can argue all they want on ADVRIDER.com:
https://advrider.com/f/forums/church-state-money.49/
Plenty of Guzzisti over there. They take no prisoners, however, so put on your battle panties and have a go.
Oh man, my battle panties are at the tailors, had to let them out an inch.
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I owned and moderated the Loopframe Guzzi forum on Topica, then Yahoo, for over a decade. In all of that time, the ban hammer only fell twice. Now, I moderate the Loopframe Guzzi group on Facebook - I occasionally remove posts when folks get a bit too grouchy, but over all everyone behaves very well. "Loopers" are just different I guess.
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Oh man, my battle panties are at the tailors, had to let them out an inch.
:grin: Man, that's nothing. My Aerostich shrunk and now won't zip up. They should warn you when you buy them that Cordura shrinks right up after a while. And my battle panties are going to be a thong if I keep getting fatter.
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JF -- Aerostich has suit solution you need: https://www.aerostich.com/gear-xpander-wash.html Works a treat! :laugh:
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Re: Some things we stay away from on WG
Taking sides with Lannis???? :grin: :grin: :grin:
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JF -- Aerostich has suit solution you need: https://www.aerostich.com/gear-xpander-wash.html Works a treat! :laugh:
Thanks Bert! That's a 5 ounce bottle. By my crude calculations, I'm going to need about. . . 6 gallons.
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Re: Some things we stay away from on WG
Taking sides with Lannis???? :grin: :grin: :grin:
Will you stop it? All I need is to keep getting shot by friendly fire .... :sad: :sad: :wink:
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Will you stop it? All I need is to keep getting shot by friendly fire .... :sad: :sad: :wink:
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... if a topic is suitable for a campfire discussion at a rally it will be alright on the board. Is a topic interesting to other members , is it educational , does it stir memories ?
Dusty
That did stir a memory for me, Dusty. A group working on the outdoor drama Tecumseh in it's opening year were gathered around an actual campfire one evening after the show when two guys got into a back and forth relating their motorcycle adventures with each coming up with ever more elaborate stories to top the last one culminating in one saying, "Well I jumped on my Hog at midnight and rode 36 hours straight through rain and sleet in freezing weather to help out a sick buddy...", and in the ensuing pause as the other guy tried to think of a topper to that claim, a little guy who had been listening to all these escalating adventure stories said quietly, "I rented a Honda 50 for an afternoon once." We all nearly fell off our logs laughing at this perfect put down for the two braggarts.
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:laugh: That's funny Phil :bow:
Dusty
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That did stir a memory for me, Dusty. A group working on the outdoor drama Tecumseh in it's opening year were gathered around an actual campfire one evening after the show when two guys got into a back and forth relating their motorcycle adventures with each coming up with ever more elaborate stories to top the last one culminating in one saying, "Well I jumped on my Hog at midnight and rode 36 hours straight through rain and sleet in freezing weather to help out a sick buddy...", and in the ensuing pause as the other guy tried to think of a topper to that claim, a little guy who had been listening to all these escalating adventure stories said quietly, "I rented a Honda 50 for an afternoon once." We all nearly fell off our logs laughing at this perfect put down for the two braggarts.
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"Subtle" is an art form.
I've always found that being "dense" is a good way to keep from being offended.
As the comedian said "I still rely on my personality as my primary form of birth control."
As a yute, i learned from the old timers that if someone "gets under your skin" or "rattles your cage," one of the best offenses (defenses?) is to not give them the satisfaction of seeing you get upset. Letting them see you are upset, only encourages to continue their tactics.
One of my wife's former co-workers was a guy named Arvid. I'm sure Lannis knows him. From my wife's stories, I knew he was a wise guy. For the next 30+ years, whenever I met him, I always addressed him as "Alvin." He never once acknowledged my intended slight. I'm not giving up yet. Maybe one day......
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One of my wife's former co-workers was a guy named Arvid. I sure Lannis knows him. From my wife's stories, I knew he was a wise guy. For the next 30+ years, whenever I met him, I always addressed him as "Alvin." He never once acknowledged my intended slight. I'm not giving up yet. Maybe one day......
Arvid H. had a pretty dry sense of humor. Speaking as someone personally who has a name that no one has ever heard before and so translates it to "Linus" or "Landis" or something they think it might be, Arvid probably thought you just didn't know his real name, but he had corrected people so many times in his life he just let it go .... No harm if casual acquaintances want to call you something that's easier for them .... ! :thumb:
Lannis
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Arvid H. had a pretty dry sense of humor. Speaking as someone personally who has a name that no one has ever heard before and so translates it to "Linus" or "Landis" or something they think it might be, Arvid probably thought you just didn't know his real name, but he had corrected people so many times in his life he just let it go .... No harm if casual acquaintances want to call you something that's easier for them .... ! :thumb:
Lannis
Larry,
Oh I assure you, Arvid knows I am screwing with him. He's just determined to "win." Jo Ann also enjoys the game.
One day, talking to a common friend and co-worker.
Me: "I just saw Arvid."
Him: "Arvid H_____?"
Me: "How many Arvid's do you know?"
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"Subtle" is an art form.
I've always found that being "dense" is a good way to keep from being offended.
As the comedian said "I still rely on my personality as my primary form of birth control."
As a yute, i learned from the old timers that if someone "gets under your skin" or "rattles your cage," one of the best offenses (defenses?) is to not give them the satisfaction of seeing you get upset. Letting them see you are upset, only encourages to continue their tactics.
When I worked at the submarine factory, we called guys like that button pushers. I once had the misfortune to be transferred to a whole crew of 'em. Even Harold the foreman was one. They had a game that they called Crack. The one rule of the game was, "He who calls names first loses the game." One of 'em would needle some poor sap working in their area til the guy would lose his cool and call the needler a few choice names. When there was nobody else around to screw with they would turn on each other like starving wolves. I learned quickly not to let any of them know when they had pushed my button... Was actually good training for the profession that I work in today.
Larry
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When I worked at the submarine factory, we called guys like that button pushers. I once had the misfortune to be transferred to a whole crew of 'em. Even Harold the foreman was one. They had a game that they called Crack. The one rule of the game was, "He who calls names first loses the game." One of 'em would needle some poor sap working in their area til the guy would lose his cool and call the needler a few choice names. When there was nobody else around to screw with they would turn on each other like starving wolves. I learned quickly not to let any of them know when they had pushed my button... Was actually good training for the profession that I work in today.
Larry
Stories from the old timers about what life was like before whining about one's butthurt became a badge of intellectual honor and sophistication are excellent IMO.
When you are in your single digits, or your teen years, and the 40, 50, 60, 70, or 80 somethings you are working along side, start screwing with your head, to see if they make you "lose it," is, IMO some of the best life preparation ever invented.
No wonder so many yutes today are perpetually "wounded."
No one told them in their formative years "You're offended by what he said? It's Called Free Speech, get over it! What time is your Mommy coming to pick you up? Grow the Hell up or I'll give you something to whine about!"
That and the fact that some many people come from small families is why many are hyper-sensitive. They didn't have multiple siblings to torment them during their formative years.
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Actually that isn't called free speech ,it's called being a verbal bully . If your goal is to make others feel small ....
Dusty
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I learned from oldtimers not to tolerate shit in the workplace any more than at home.
Naturally, that goes for the talk as much as for orderliness.
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Actually that isn't called free speech ,it's called being a verbal bully . If your goal is to make others feel small ....
Dusty
I agree. That is the big problem with the internet, people don't do well with interpretation in the absence of face-to-face body language, voice tones, and facial expressions. With all that information missing, the receiver fills it in with their imagination.
I've yet to see any bullying here, so you must be doing a good job at scrubbing it and discouraging it.
Other forums...... Fred posts "Roses are red!" and out of 50 people, six of them can find six different offensive interpretations.
The beauty of an infinite number of Private Idaho's! :grin:
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I learned from oldtimers not to tolerate shit in the workplace any more than at home.
Naturally, that goes for the talk as much as for orderliness.
Yep. Too many "snowflakes" can't take getting called out for being jerks.
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I’m a relatively new member and joined to learn about my Moto Guzzi. I’ve stayed because it has become my haven from our partisan world. My thanks to the moderators and posters and best wishes to everyone.
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I’m a relatively new member and joined to learn about my Moto Guzzi. I’ve stayed because it has become my haven from our partisan world. My thanks to the moderators and posters and best wishes to everyone.
Welcome to the madness! There used to be a Guzzi dealer in Denham Springs. Owned by Ed Thompson ,good guy. closed in the ‘90s. I bought a brand new Cal 2 there in ‘84 when I was stationed at Barksdale AFB near Shreveport. This forum is great for the accumulated knowledge and the no politics or religion rule has showed it’s wisdom many times.
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I’m a relatively new member and joined to learn about my Moto Guzzi. I’ve stayed because it has become my haven from our partisan world. My thanks to the moderators and posters and best wishes to everyone.
Yep. It's a good crew here. Great sources of information and humor.
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Welcome to the madness! There used to be a Guzzi dealer in Denham Springs. Owned by Ed Thompson ,good guy. closed in the ‘90s. I bought a brand new Cal 2 there in ‘84 when I was stationed at Barksdale AFB near Shreveport. This forum is great for the accumulated knowledge and the no politics or religion rule has showed it’s wisdom many times.
Never mind the reference to Louisiana, I miss read your location . Happy new year!
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Stories from the old timers about what life was like before whining about one's butthurt became a badge of intellectual honor and sophistication are excellent IMO.
One thing that some lists have that reduces the moderator workload considerably is to have folks fill out this form if necessary:
(https://photos.smugmug.com/2020-stuff/i-RQLvgZf/0/9e038d4b/X3/butthurt-form-X3.jpg) (https://lannisselz.smugmug.com/2020-stuff/i-RQLvgZf/A)
Lannis
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One thing that some lists have that reduces the moderator workload considerably is to have folks fill out this form if necessary:
(https://photos.smugmug.com/2020-stuff/i-RQLvgZf/0/9e038d4b/X3/butthurt-form-X3.jpg) (https://lannisselz.smugmug.com/2020-stuff/i-RQLvgZf/A)
Lannis
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Outstanding. A certificate of a successfully completed training course one can display with pride.
Put a Wild Guzzi header and logo on the top, and Dusty can send these out via email at the speed of light.
No more answering complaints. Just email them a blank "Butthurt Certificate!"
Address their complaint, or push a couple keys on the keyboard. Seems like a no-brainer to me. :wink:
Lannis, you're not angling for Dusty's job are you? :grin:
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Butt hurt , now there's a term I haven't ever used , and likely never will . Trust me on this, everyone is a tough guy ...until they aren't .
Dusty
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Butt hurt , now there's a term I haven't ever used , and likely never will . Trust me on this, everyone is a tough guy ...until they aren't .
Dusty
like..
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Probably not a fan of "SNOWFLAKE" either :grin: