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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: SmithSwede on December 22, 2020, 12:14:42 PM
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It’s been a while since we had a good, hardcore discussion of side stands.
I’m wondering. Has there ever been a bike with a side stand on the right side?
For that matter, has there ever been a bike with side stands on the left and the right, so you could park however you want?
I’ve read that for centuries the tradition has been to mount a horse on the left side. I wonder if that custom transferred over to motorcycles. Something to do with most people being right handed, so swords were sheathed on the left, which meant you had to mount the horse on the right to avoid fouling your leg with the sword.
Dusty, if this thread creates needless acrimony and name calling, please feel free to delete it.
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I’ll bite first on this one.
The only issue I have with side stands is that on the EV models (my Stone included), why in the world couldn’t that have placed it where a person with a 30” inseam could reach it without having to slide all the way up on the tank😡😡😡
There is no way a short person can reach this darn thing and there can’t be any arguments to this😂😂😂
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Yes on following the custom of right hand and horse riding.
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I’ll bit first on this one.
The only issue I have with side stands is that on the EV models (my Stone included), why in the world couldn’t that have placed it where a person with a 30” inseam could reach it without having to slide all the way up on the tank😡😡😡
There is no way a short person can reach this darn thing and there can’t be any arguments to this😂😂😂
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We differ as I think the side stand on the EV is one of the best i have come across. Perhaps cut off the deployment stud and move it back closer to your foot?
Perhaps one of these by Boxer Works?
https://boxerworks.org/products/custom-brown-side-stand-for-tonti-frame-moto-guzzi-custom-moto-guzzi-kickstand
Been thinking of getting one for my 86' IV Lemans
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After struggling off my 1991 R100GS for the first 20+ years of ownership, I installed a stand that mounted in the traditional position where it could be deployed without me first going thru a balancing act of holding up the bike, doing a pivot on the sole of left boot, then holding the stand down (spring loaded) until I could lay the weight of the bike on it. In 2014, I found an aftermarket side stand that bolted to the rear motor mount bolt, and permitted me to deploy it while sitting in the saddle. OEM stand was impossible for someone my height (5'8") to deploy while sitting on the saddle, unless you had legs like a giraffe!
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A year or so before he died, "Mad" Mick picked up an SP with sidestands on both left and right. He found it convenient. Mick theorised that the bike came from hilly country - so it didn't matter whether you rode around the hills clockwise or anti-clockwise, you could still park the bike.
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A year or so before he died, "Mad" Mick picked up an SP with sidestands on both left and right. He found it convenient. Mick theorised that the bike came from hilly country - so it didn't matter whether you rode around the hills clockwise or anti-clockwise, you could still park the bike.
Maybe they were outriggers for riding in the snow so the bike couldn't fall over when slip/sliding away?
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HD Aermacchi Sprints had their sidestands on the right. Why? Something got lost in translation? :undecided:
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Honda postie bikes come with side stands on both sides. Made specially for ambidextrous riders?
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If you have a Daytona 1000, you learned to lean over and pull the kick stand up with your left hand.
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IMHO, there is nothing on this planet WORSE...than a short, flimsy, ineffective, "easy-to-tip-over" side stand...
THIS is a good one!! :thumb: :cool: :wink:
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Best parts $$ i ever spent on a Guzzi was putting a BROWN side stand on the LMIII. And yes, I have 2 bikes with a right hand stand BULTACO
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Most smaller vintage bikes and mopeds just have centerstands, no sidestand. For example my Sears/Gilera 106, and my Wards/Benelli 350.
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Just to clarify, there are aftermarket side stands that will bolt right on my stone without modifications or having to fabricate something?
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HD Aermacchi Sprints had their sidestands on the right. Why? Something got lost in translation? :undecided:
Yep, my H-D Sprint is weird that way..
But my H-D Street Glide has the best side-stand I've ever encountered.
The worst was my '97 Guzzi Sporti..
I think big old Zundapps had floorboards that swiveled out for a side-stand..
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Just to clarify, there are aftermarket side stands that will bolt right on my stone without modifications or having to fabricate something?
The Brown sidestand just bolts on .
Dusty
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Re: mounting custom— the best thing about customs is the excitement that’s procured when you discover you can break the custom. I like to mount from ALL sides, although from the front seems to be the trickiest.
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Just inhale then mount. :grin:
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The Brown sidestand just bolts on .
Dusty
Thanks, I guess that would be better than tying a rope to the thing and pulling it up🤔😂
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Nope nope. Dual side stands would mean two side stand interlocks in series. I’ve tried the raise the kickstand with your left hand thing. It’s kinda cool, but a bit awkward, I’d hate to fall over.
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It’s been a while since we had a good, hardcore discussion of side stands.
For that matter, has there ever been a bike with side stands on the left and the right, so you could park however you want?
Yep.
Honda built a few of these...
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Has one on both sides.
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I’m wondering. Has there ever been a bike with a side stand on the right side?
Yes, my Vincent Comet has a side-stand on both sides.
I don't think it had a centre-stand as we normally expect but the fender stays would swing down to hold either wheel off the ground.
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Hardcore BROWN sidestand!
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For the EV stand being had to retract. Yes it is!!!!!!
First thing to try is using your heel on the rubber nub instead of your toe. Makes a big difference. Second....Caution.. ..this can cause the stand to fall on it's own if a spring breaks......... is to remove one of the springs. Also drill a new hole in the center of the triangle spring holder that attaches to the stand and put the spring in the new hole. This keeps decent tension, almost too tight, but the original spring holes make it TOO loose.
Also thanks for reminding me what brand bikes had the RH stand. I knew some brads of dirt/enduro bikes had it.
Tom
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Its not a side stand, but what is that aftermarket center stand named that you can ride off of and will it mount on a Guzzi? (Hope this doesn't derail the thread)
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Its been a couple of decades since I was on a Harley, but back then their "Jiffy" stand was the best I'd ever used. Still haven't found a better one.
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Yes, my Vincent Comet has a side-stand on both sides.
I don't think it had a centre-stand as we normally expect but the fender stays would swing down to hold either wheel off the ground.
Vincent was dancing around in my head , couldn't quite get it sorted . Weren't the twins also equipped with dual stands ?
Dusty
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For that matter, has there ever been a bike with side stands on the left and the right, so you could park however you want?
Having a stand on each side would be useful. It would have been nice today as my stand sunk a couple inches into the turf. I thought I was going to drop the bike. If I would have had a stand on the other side, I would have used it instead with no issues. So I'm all for it.
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Vincent was dancing around in my head , couldn't quite get it sorted . Weren't the twins also equipped with dual stands ?
Dusty
I imagine so, the frame parts seemed to be the same between twin and single.
BTW, no-one thought about stand switches back then, I guess they figured we were more responsible.
They didn't even have an ignition switch let alone a key.
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BoxerWorks website has for some time now reported Brown’s side stand for Tontis are “sold out”. I’m currently planning a plate to bolt a Brown’s to my LM. Will require some tapping and cutting of 3/8 steel +/- welding.
The Boxer works images show apparent cutting and rewelding of the Brown’s- something I’m a bit loath to do....they’re very nicely constructed as is
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HD Aermacchi Sprints had their sidestands on the right. Why? Something got lost in translation? :undecided:
Because the kickstarter was on the left. See these photos: https://madison.craigslist.org/mpo/d/madison-1970-harley-davidson-350-sprint/7241797708.html (https://madison.craigslist.org/mpo/d/madison-1970-harley-davidson-350-sprint/7241797708.html).
Moto
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My 1975 Kawasaki KT250 has the side stand on the right, as do many of the trials bikes of that time period.
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Didn't OSSA and Montesa have the side stand on the right?
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Yes, my Vincent Comet has a side-stand on both sides.
I don't think it had a centre-stand as we normally expect but the fender stays would swing down to hold either wheel off the ground.
You beat me to it Roy. Was just going to mention that my bro's Comet has them on both sides.
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For the EV stand being had to retract. Yes it is!!!!!!
First thing to try is using your heel on the rubber nub instead of your toe. Makes a big difference. Second....Caution.. ..this can cause the stand to fall on it's own if a spring breaks......... is to remove one of the springs. Also drill a new hole in the center of the triangle spring holder that attaches to the stand and put the spring in the new hole. This keeps decent tension, almost too tight, but the original spring holes make it TOO loose.
Also thanks for reminding me what brand bikes had the RH stand. I knew some brads of dirt/enduro bikes had it.
Tom
Or try turning the tab over, which is under the nut/bolt that the stand pivots on. I have done that on my Black Eagle and it makes all the difference.
David
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Its not a side stand, but what is that aftermarket center stand named that you can ride off of and will it mount on a Guzzi? (Hope this doesn't derail the thread)
That was a REYNOLD'S RIDE OFF STAND made for Air-Head BMW's. As far as I know they made nothing for a Guzzi.
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I recently fitted a R/H Stand to a friend's '99 Triumph 900 Tiger.
He has reduced strength in his right Leg, so has trouble getting the Standard (L/H) Stand down safely.
It's a standard Tiger Stand, but I cut and lengthened it slightly (due to a higher mounting position/angle), and rotated the end so the 'Foot' contacts the ground properly.
I made a Mounting Plate from 6mm Steel Plate, which is sandwiched between the Frame and the R/H Footrest Mount.
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Its not a side stand, but what is that aftermarket center stand named that you can ride off of and will it mount on a Guzzi? (Hope this doesn't derail the thread)
Bates made them for Guzzis, here's one on a Loopframe:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Chrome-Bates-Ride-Off-Stand-Guzzi-Loop-Frame-Eldorado-Ambassador-Police-Cop-Bike-/303518987495
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Triumph stand on modded oem mounting plate.
None auto flip up.
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Thanks Antietam! You could just about use the pictures from the ad to build one.
1000SPII Sidestand:
I recently had the broken leg of the crummy 1000SPII sidestand repaired with a reinforced weld. Hope it will hold. I know the Brown sidestand is the best solution, since I put one on a BMW, but has anyone modified the existing SP sidestand leg to improve its stability? Such as adding a large foot to its base that extends farther outboard?
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My 75 Can-Am 250 had the stand on the right and the kickstarter on the left
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Doesn't it make sense to have the side stand on the same side as the shifter?
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Doesn't it make sense to have the side stand on the same side as the shifter?
It has to be the left side. ( left is sinister ). We are a right handed people’s. It feels more “natural” to throw a right leg over the seat. Hence, left handed side stand. :boxing:
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It has to be the left side. ( left is sinister ). We are a right handed people’s. It feels more “natural” to throw a right leg over the seat. Hence, left handed side stand. :boxing:
Makes sense. :thumb:
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Wanted something lighter for my police Eldo when I had it in land speed racer mode. Here is a modified Tonti sidestand on a loop.
I bought it off ebay for my Tonti land speed racer and it came bent/useless (thanks mark :rolleyes: ), sat in my junk heap for 3 years.
Had a welder friend fab a brace, tighten up the bend, shorten the rod and rebend the foot.
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Right as rain : )
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RH Sidestand will tangle with the curb parallel parked in USA (right side drive lane). It will also drop the bike lower when parked as roads are crowned high side left in USA (right side drive lane).
What portion of MG sales are in countries that drive to the left of center?
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I got pulled over by a moto cop one time on a four lane. The sloping shoulder made it really difficult for the cop to deploy the left sidestand, dismount and approach me sitting on the bike. He finally re started and parked at an angle so he could get off the bike. It was QUITE humorous. He pulled me over to "check my equipment" '83 LeMans III.
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RH Sidestand will tangle with the curb parallel parked in USA (right side drive lane). It will also drop the bike lower when parked as roads are crowned high side left in USA (right side drive lane).
What portion of MG sales are in countries that drive to the left of center?
+1. But I thought parallel parking is a “no”. Isn’t the law to be backed in wheel touching curb at about a 45 degree angle?
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Right as rain : )
Most of the trials bikes I have seen have side stands on the right side. Many Beta's are exceptions. Seems to be a desire to package the side stand on the opposite side of the chain drive. Although KTM's and some Euro bikes don't follow this packaging scheme.
Default mode of side stand on left, like mounting a horse from the left to accommodate one's sword is much more common than right side stand.
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The only issue I have with side stands is that on the EV models (my Stone included), why in the world couldn’t that have placed it where a person with a 30” inseam could reach it without having to slide all the way up on the tank😡😡😡,,,,,
DARN RIGHT - but they are VERY side stands
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Most of the trials bikes I have seen have side stands on the right side. Many Beta's are exceptions. Seems to be a desire to package the side stand on the opposite side of the chain drive. Although KTM's and some Euro bikes don't follow this packaging scheme.
Default mode of side stand on left, like mounting a horse from the left to accommodate one's sword is much more common than right side stand.
All of my trials machines have except the Gas Gas’s
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Nope nope. Dual side stands would mean two side stand interlocks in series. I’ve tried the raise the kickstand with your left hand thing. It’s kinda cool, but a bit awkward, I’d hate to fall over.
What about side stand interlocks? Do we really need them? Has anyone ever tried to ride off with his side stand down?
The switch on my 96 Cali side stand was disconnected when I bought it and I have left it that way because once I stopped to visit a friend when I was on my Triumph America and put the side stand down and forgot to turn off the ignition switch which is down on the left side. It was a bright sunny day and I didn't notice the ignition light. Result? Dead battery and no start. I once observed a fellow in a parking lot having his bike die every time he shifted to first with the side stand up; bad side stand switch.
I figure that's why there is a handy kill switch on my Guzzi if I need to turn the engine off before leaving it in gear and releasing the clutch so it can't roll. BTW, I like the nice heavy side stand on the Cali. The only drawback to the length is if I back into a tight space in my bike shed without enough room for it to swing out; better to adjust the position of the bike than risk it falling over with a lesser stand.
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What about side stand interlocks? Do we really need them? Has anyone ever tried to ride off with his side stand down?
I have but only on my BMW. It is under the cylinder, so you can't easily see it. Startling, but it folded right up.
Tom
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On my K75, clutch and sidestand are interlocked however when you pull in the clutch the sidestand retracts and off you go.
Paul B :boozing:
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What about side stand interlocks? Do we really need them? Has anyone ever tried to ride off with his side stand down?
Yes, I’m guilty of that. Nearly got decapitated for my carelessness 40 years ago.
I had gone to see my Dad one afternoon. and parked my RD 400 on the side stand. Then a motorcycle friend of mine joined us. One thing lead to another, and I wound up putting the RD on the center stand. I think to lube the chain. But I left the side stand still deployed.
I stayed till after dark. Pushed bike off center stand without remembering the side stand being down. Oddly enough my route back was all right curves or straight sections for many miles, so I’m boldly zipping along with no concerns until I hit the big left sweeper and simply cannot lean over far enough to make it.
No worrries I think—I‘ll just bip over into the “empty” field adjacent to the curve and hit the brakes.
I will never forget the flashing image of the guy wire for the phone pole zipping inches past my helmet. Could not see it in the dark until I was already on it.
I still hate side stand interlock switches. But am paranoid about checking that all landing gear is stowed before putting bike in gear.
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Yes.
All my previous bikes since 1983 had a side stand interlock. The R100GS, however, used a 'Hitler's Revenge' side stand that retracted as soon as weight of the bike was lifted off of it. Unfortunately, on the R100GS models, the stand is located so far to the front, I couldn't put it down without first dismounting. Got to be a real issue as I got older. So, I installed an aftermarket stand that could be deployed from the saddle, but it came with no spring preload or electrical interlock.
So yes, after building up 23 years of muscle memory of not having to retract the stand, I have headed out a time or two and scared the crap out of myself when the stand hit the pavement leaving the driveway.
I need to wire some sort of interlock switch to the stand ....... maybe simply ground out the coil.
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On the R75/5. If you loosen the engine mount nut and rotate the stand spring bracket forward with the side stand deployed, it will stay down. If you want it to retract like BMW wants it too. Loosen engine mount nut, rotate the spring bracket reward with the side stand up and tighten the nut. Now it pops up when you raise the bike off the stand.
I didn't mind the auto retract (except for having to hold it down with my foot until weight was on it) until I sat on the RH saddle bag and heard a "click". You wanna talk about a oh crud moment!!!! :shocked: :cry: :angry: :violent1: No stopping it from falling over.
I have also been concerned if a strong wind hit the bike just right and took just enough weight off the stand.
I have considered a switch to kill the bike when in gear if the stand is down. But then again if I rode it more than I do I would have the muscle memory to always pull the stand.
Tom
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On the R75/5. If you loosen the engine mount nut and rotate the stand spring bracket forward with the side stand deployed, it will stay down. If you want it to retract like BMW wants it too. Loosen engine mount nut, rotate the spring bracket reward with the side stand up and tighten the nut. Now it pops up when you raise the bike off the stand.
I didn't mind the auto retract (except for having to hold it down with my foot until weight was on it) until I sat on the RH saddle bag and heard a "click". You wanna talk about a oh crud moment!!!! :shocked: :cry: :angry: :violent1: No stopping it from falling over.
I have also been concerned if a strong wind hit the bike just right and took just enough weight off the stand.
I have considered a switch to kill the bike when in gear if the stand is down. But then again if I rode it more than I do I would have the muscle memory to always pull the stand.
Tom
I still had the oem stand on the bike when she quit running on the Indiana Toll Road in 2005, and I glided over to the shoulder of the road. I cringed every time an 18 wheeler went past, and the GS rocked back and forth. I was thinking the same as you ..... what happens if a strong wind hits the bike!
My muscle memory must be going to hell at age of 78!
Bob
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“Necessity is the mother of invention”
Back in 2014, I needed more legroom on my new to me 1200 Sport. so I added 1” foam under my seat and someone here sold me 1.5” lower foot pegs. All’s well but the stock side stand would not retract because of the lower foot pegs. Considered a European side stand but then I realized I could cut the 3” tang off of the stock side stand at just the right angle to shorten it and then I designed a foot and had a local welder weld it on. I primed and painted it and for almost 7 years it has served me well. And it tucks up nicely away from the shift lever. No need for a Euro side stand!
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I always just assumed that street bikes always had the side stand on the left to put them on the pavement side if you pull over . At least in countries that travel on the right lane. Also the crown on many roads would make the bike tip the wrong way if the stand were on the right side. Seems like alot of side stands lean the bike over a bit more than necessary on level ground. But when you park on a crown, , or with the wheels off the pavement the shorter stand makes sense. Do countries that travel in the left lane have stands on the right side?
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I had a nasty surprise w/a 3 series and its side stand. A slow leak in the rear tire (cast wheels frt & rear), when the air was very close to all out the bike spilled over onto its right side. The culprit was the 90* angled filling stem. Those things are made dirt cheap; but imagine the convenience. I had to chase inner and outer threads to get a 1/2 way decent fit for the valve and cap. They're going in the trash. BTW: Center stands add weight :) I'm trying to add lightness. R3~
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I had a nasty surprise w/a 3 series and its side stand. A slow leak in the rear tire (cast wheels frt & rear), when the air was very close to all out the bike spilled over onto its right side. The culprit was the 90* angled filling stem. Those things are made dirt cheap; but imagine the convenience. I had to chase inner and outer threads to get a 1/2 way decent fit for the valve and cap. They're going in the trash. BTW: Center stands add weight :) I'm trying to add lightness. R3~
Lightness is expensive. Just wear your Rollie Free outfit
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Best parts $$ i ever spent on a Guzzi was putting a BROWN side stand on the LMIII. And yes, I have 2 bikes with a right hand stand BULTACO
Did the Brown stand bolt right up or did it have to be modified for your LMIII? I've detested the factory sidestand on my LMI for 42 years now!!
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Ralph Plant, Boxerworks make a browns sidestand specifically to fit your LeMans. They are sweet, I had one on my LM IV and loved it. The oem sidestand is dangerous.
Rick
https://boxerworks.org/pages/bmw-airhead-brown-side-stand
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Thanks for the info, Rick..it's not cheap, but neither is the damage done by dropping the bike! By the looks of it, I should have explored options years ago!
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Interestingly (maybe), the Self-Retracting/Flip-Up Side-stands are actually Illegal in the UK.
My Wife is a Magistrate's Legal Advisor, and a few years back I was looking through her copies of the Stones Justices Manual for something Bike-related.
I came across an entry for Side-stands in the index, and couldn't think what law/regulation would apply to them, so I looked it up.
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87 SPII was perhaps the worst ever. Near vertical, self-retracting, lower fairings made it impossible to deploy or return.
I managed to acquire a custom stand installation from Astico Moto in England. Modified slightly myself and now works a treat.
Sidestand is probably worth more than the bike!
Patrick Hayes
Fremont CA
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RH Sidestand will tangle with the curb parallel parked in USA (right side drive lane). It will also drop the bike lower when parked as roads are crowned high side left in USA (right side drive lane).
What portion of MG sales are in countries that drive to the left of center?
Probably more than you'd think, although not so popular in the UK they still sell quite a few.
They seem pretty big in Japan. Not sure about Guzzi but Magni's No1 sales area was Japan, so much so they named a model after the country